President Biden pardons son Hunter

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1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

This might reduce the pool of folks willing to run for president as well as those willing to serve in an administration.  Then again, who knows, maybe it would not.  I know the founders had some conceerns along these lines, but who knows how it would work in practice unless we actually implement it.

 

Would you eliminate the power entirely, or just as to members of the presidential family, administration, and donors?  Meaning what about those requests from convicts wholy unassociated with the administration.  There are always a few such applications that may have some merit, you know, actual miscarriages of justices.

I would opt to eliminate the power completely.   Maybe leave clemency....or a commutation.   but full pardons?  Nope

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5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Well, you would have to use your brain, and given that your are rather consistent with stupidity, it makes sense that you are not getting it.

Here, let me help you just a little.   Biden just used the Trumpism that it was illegitimate prosecution to justify his actions, you stupid little sh!t......any thoughts on using that as a reason? Any at all?   Use your focking brain for a change.....

Now, Trump can point back to that and pardon himself later......

You think he wont?   Really?   Are you that focking stupid?

I assumed Trump was going to pardon himself anyway. Just like he pardoned Charles Kushner, the new ambassador to France, in 2020.  

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37 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Has Trump implied or indicated he would go after Hunter?

 

If the worry is about who Trump might go after why not pardon Jill, and Joe's brother as well as Trump might go after them. 

Well he already did go after Hunter.  One of his Henchmen Lev Parnas flipped and said how he took orders from Trump and Guiliani to get dirt on Hunter and claims that he was responsible for the house investigations.  Trump also asked Zelensky for dirt on Hunter when he was in office and delayed aid in exchange for it.

Now Trump has nominated a guy to lead the FBI who has said he intends to go after people who aided the steal of the 2020 election.  Trump has said himself he is on a retribution tour.

So yeah, he has.

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4 minutes ago, MDC said:

I assumed Trump was going to pardon himself anyway. Just like he pardoned Charles Kushner, the new ambassador to France, in 2020.  

Of course Trump is going to pardon himself, and Maga will rejoice. RLLD is a clown.

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4 minutes ago, MDC said:

I assumed Trump was going to pardon himself anyway. Just like he pardoned Charles Kushner, the new ambassador to France, in 2020.  

I think that was as safe an assumption as my own with regard to Hunter, but now, Biden just gifted Trump a nice defense for it.

I think NO president should EVER be able to pardon himself. Regardless of any irrelevant exampled you want to dig up from anytime in the past.

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15 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Hopefully we can reduce the corruption during this term.

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This is the democrats in their true form. They like to preach about the values they hold. But those values drop the moment it is convenient for them. 

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I think that was as safe an assumption as my own with regard to Hunter, but now, Biden just gifted Trump a nice defense for it.

I think NO president should EVER be able to pardon himself. Regardless of any irrelevant exampled you want to dig up from anytime in the past.

It is relevant when you say Biden set a “precedent.” He’s at least the 4th POTUS to pardon a family member.  

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48 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I understand you have been indoctrinated to think this way, there is no truth to it, but your position here is ideologically aligned with your leftist indoc.  This is NOT the problem.

He's already gone after Hunter Biden.  There is a precedent and history.

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4 minutes ago, MDC said:

It is relevant when you say Biden set a “precedent.” He’s at least the 4th POTUS to pardon a family member.  

Again, its not about a family member, stop being so focking stupid for ten minutes...will you? It does not matter who got pardoned when the rationale was the legal abuses, and then he gave the gift of going back in time......he just gave that gift, stop pretending it has ANYTHING to do with "family"......dont be so stupid....

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29 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Yep, just like he "went after" hilary.

 

He wanted to but the adults stopped him.

https://apnews.com/article/060ca2399a744b4a9554dbd2ec276a90

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump told his counsel’s office last spring that he wanted to prosecute political adversaries Hillary Clinton and former FBI Director James Comey

https://americanoversight.org/sessions-letter/

American Oversight has uncovered the signed directive from former Attorney General Jeff Sessions instructing a federal prosecutor to carry out President Trump’s authoritarian demand to investigate Hillary Clinton.

 

https://www.justsecurity.org/98703/chronology-trump-justice-department/

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-wanted-to-order-justice-dept-to-prosecute-clinton-comey-new-york-times-idUSKCN1NP2O9/

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump wanted to order the Justice Department to prosecute two political foes, his one-time presidential opponent Hillary Clinton and former FBI director James Comey, in the spring, but his White House counsel rebuffed him, the New York Times reported on Tuesday.
Don McGahn, the White House counsel at the time, wrote a memo to the president outlining consequences for Trump if he did order these prosecutions.

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29 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Again, its not about a family member, stop being so focking stupid for ten minutes...will you? It does not matter who got pardoned when the rationale was the legal abuses, and then he gave the gift of going back in time......he just gave that gift, stop pretending it has ANYTHING to do with "family"......dont be so stupid....

Maybe you can take a break from your meltdown and calmly explain what “precedent” this set then. I doubt it, but you could try.  

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Maybe you can take a break from your meltdown and calmly explain what “precedent” this set then. I doubt it, but you could try.  

Joe could have simply stated that he loved his son and would pardon him, period, end of story.   I think we all knew that was coming and expected it.

Instead,  he pointed toward the legal system being abused, that was extra that was not warranted.   This is the same argument Trump has been using for years, Bide just corroborated that the system CAN be used inappropriately, and when a President has decided that has transpired, that President can then pardon that individual.   I do not like that precedent.

I also take issue with the time frame of the pardon, but that to me is a lesser evil here.   

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Joe could have simply stated that he loved his son and would pardon him, period, end of story.   I think we all knew that was coming and expected it.

Instead,  he pointed toward the legal system being abused, that was extra that was not warranted.   This is the same argument Trump has been using for years, Bide just corroborated that the system CAN be used inappropriately, and when a President has decided that has transpired, that President can then pardon that individual.   I do not like that precedent.

I also take issue with the time frame of the pardon, but that to me is a lesser evil here.   

Trump’s own White House made the same argument about Paul Manafort among others. Maybe the problem is that you don’t understand what “precedent” means.

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trump’s own White House made the same argument about Paul Manafort among others. Maybe the problem is that you don’t understand what “precedent” means.

OH, well ok then, I was not aware we were now accepting this as a reasoned rationale.......so today, now....you and yours accept that the DOJ is then abusive in its pursuit? Is that the case?

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Just now, RLLD said:

OH, well ok then, I was not aware we were now accepting this as a reasoned rationale.......so today, now....you and yours accept that the DOJ is then abusive in its pursuit? Is that the case?

My objection is with your claim that this pardon set a precedent. It didn’t. 

HTH. 

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2 hours ago, RLLD said:

Hunter was always the means to get to the heart of Joe's crimes.  This is how the DOJ has always handled organized crime, so the strategy fit.

Hunter was a rather easy target and there was obvious deference toward him overall that made it even easier to get after him later.

Not surprised he got a pardon, none of us should be, this was always going to happen.

The problem here, mostly for liberals, will be the precedent it sets.

Well wouldn’t Hunter now essentially have immunity to testify against Joe?  I’m sure there would be a ton of money in book deals etc in it for him too, and we know he loves money.

Weird IMO that you:

1) Seem to think this means Joe is a criminal

And

2) Suggest this opens the door for Trump to pardon himself

 

Yet Joe did not pardon himself (though he still can).  If he knows he committed crimes why wouldn’t he pardon himself? Pardoning Hunter doesn’t mean people can’t still go after Joe, and it certainly doesn’t mean Joe was a co-conspirator on anything with Hunter.

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1 hour ago, kilroy69 said:

This is the democrats in their true form. They like to preach about the values they hold. But those values drop the moment it is convenient for them. 

If Democrats didn’t have double standards, they wouldn’t have any standards at all.

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Well wouldn’t Hunter now essentially have immunity to testify against Joe?  I’m sure there would be a ton of money in book deals etc in it for him too, and we know he loved money.

Weird IMO that you:

1) Seem to think this means Joe is a criminal

And

2) Suggest this opens the door for Trump to pardon himself

 

Yet Joe did not pardon himself (though he still can).  If he knows he committed crimes why wouldn’t he pardon himself? Pardoning Hunter doesn’t mean people can’t still go after Joe, and it certainly doesn’t mean Joe was a co-conspirator on anything with Hunter.

Through this pardon, Joe has effectively protected himself.   The only way we were likely to learn about all the criminal activity executed by Joe Biden was through Hunter. So now that Hunter is protected we likely never learn the full extent of what Joe Biden sold to our enemies for all that money funneled to his family.

You seem to have more faith in politicians than I do.  of course I think Trump will pardon himself..... just as I was certain Joe would pardon his son......back when you insisted he would not..... I also maintain that Trump WILL pardon himself and he WILL use this example as the reason.

Most people are pardoned after serving their time.  Prior to the time being designated there is something called a Presentence Investigation, its rather thorough, they have now avoided this.  Which is smart on their part. So this is different.....than just about any other pardon I can think of.

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6 minutes ago, MDC said:

My objection is with your claim that this pardon set a precedent. It didn’t. 

HTH. 

And yet it did.   Ask yourself this....did Roger Clinton and Paul Manafort go through the entire process?  Did they serve any time?

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

And yet it did.   Ask yourself this....did Roger Clinton and Paul Manafort go through the entire process?  Did they serve any time?

Trump pardoned Steve Bannon before he stood trial, among others. You should admit you were wrong on this precedent thing and move on. 

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Just now, MDC said:

Trump pardoned Steve Bannon before he stood trial, among others. You should admit you were wrong on this precedent thing and move on. 

I am not wrong.   Trump can now wave his had at the end of his term, and make all the charges against him disappear; and why not? Someone other that Trump just did it......

That is not the real problem here though, the real problem is 20, 25....30 years or more down the line.  But you dont care about that, you just want to defend it all, focking despicable.......

Later, when Trump pardons those January 6th retards, and you are justifiably p!ssed off about it, please do come back since your morality of convenience will allow you to suddenly be " in the right" and we can decry it at the same time..... waiting for you to have any notion of morality can take some time though. 

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3 hours ago, The Phantom's Phantom said:

The hypocrisy here is hilarious.  You choads are obsessed with Hunter Biden.  Petty criminal hunter Biden who you tried to prosecute for years, it kills you that he's not in jail, hilarious.  Meanwhile Trump pardoned far worse including his own family.  Clown show.

Exactly.

I think it's hilarious that Biden gave the  to all the MAGAs who obsessed over Hunter and a bunch of baloney conspiracy theories for years while  about the jailed Jan. 6 rioters who assaulted police and trashed the Capitol, not to mention their beloved cult leader and convicted criminal who handed out pardons to crooks like Halloween candy.

It be even funnier if Biden pardoned Trump, taking away his ability to pardon himself.

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11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Through this pardon, Joe has effectively protected himself.   

Disagree.  If Joe really sold what you think to the enemy there would be more evidence than just from Hunter.   Not to mention they could still subpoena Hunter in an investigation against Joe, or try to get Hunter to turn on Joe Hunter if they have evidence he did anything prior to 2014 or the next time he gets caught with drugs 

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Just now, RLLD said:

I am not wrong.   Trump can now wave his had at the end of his term, and make all the charges against him disappear; and why not? Someone other that Trump just did it......

That is not the real problem here though, the real problem is 20, 25....30 years or more down the line.  But you dont care about that, you just want to defend it all, focking despicable.......

Later, when Trump pardons those January 6th retards, and you are justifiably p!ssed off about it, please do come back since your morality of convenience will allow you to suddenly be " in the right" and we can decry it at the same time..... waiting for you to have any notion of morality can take some time though. 

I don’t like the Hunter pardon but it’s not unprecedented. Trump was going to pardon himself and the J6ers anyway. 

You really are a dummy.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,859]

Law and order Democrats.  I love this for you guys. 
 

Bums….

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Disagree.  If Joe really sold what you think to the enemy there would be more evidence than just from Hunter.   Not to mention they could still subpoena Hunter in an investigation against Joe, or try to get Hunter to turn on Joe Hunter if they have evidence he did anything prior to 2014 or the next time he gets caught with drugs 

No, Hunter was the only way we unravel the crimes.   That is gone. Hunter will never turn on his dad, and I guess I would not turn on mine either.

Protecting Hunter going back ten years was brilliant.

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

I don’t like the Hunter pardon but it’s not unprecedented. Trump was going to pardon himself and the J6ers anyway. 

You really are a dummy.  

You are far worse then stupid, you also lack morality.   In you I sense the worst of what weak men can be.

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am not wrong.   Trump can now wave his had at the end of his term, and make all the charges against him disappear; and why not? Someone other that Trump just did it......

No, that is not what Biden did, even if you incorrectly think he “effectively” did.  The below seems to be accurate…

30 minutes ago, MDC said:

Trump’s own White House made the same argument about Paul Manafort among others. Maybe the problem is that you don’t understand what “precedent” means.

 

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

No, that is not what Biden did, even if you incorrectly think he “effectively” did.  The below seems to be accurate…

 

Manafort was the wrong example, Bannon was a better one, albeit also rather wrong.

Consider this.

Why do this now?   Why start with Hunter?    Might it now be true that every pardon he executes moving forward will be scrutinized more heavily?  Why not simply wait until the 11th hour, and sneak it in at the very end?

What is the advantage to doing it now?   The most important advantage is not having that presentencing investigation......

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4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

You are far worse then stupid, you also lack morality.   In you I sense the worst of what weak men can be.

Remember last week when you said the Civil Rights Act destroyed the African American nuclear family? 

That was funny. You say many stupid things.   

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2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Manafort was the wrong example, Bannon was a better one, albeit also rather wrong.

Consider this.

Why do this now?   Why start with Hunter?    Might it now be true that every pardon he executes moving forward will be scrutinized more heavily?  Why not simply wait until the 11th hour, and sneak it in at the very end?

What is the advantage to doing it now?   The most important advantage is not having that presentencing investigation......

Not sure what you’re getting at here.  Are you saying you think Biden will pardon himself?

I have no idea if he will, but if he does, then THAT would be a precedent for Trump to pardon himself.  Right now it is not.

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Remember last week when you said the Civil Rights Act destroyed the African American nuclear family? 

That was funny. You say many stupid things.   

I do, and I stand by that as well, that you would not see it is unsurprising, you are pathetic.

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If you didn't know this was coming you may have also been surprised that the sun came up this morning.  I'll raise my hand and say that in his spot I'd have done it too.  But it was foolish to believe he wasn't going to do it.  I don't care what he said earlier about not doing it.  Anyone should have known that was a lie.

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Not sure what you’re getting at here.  Are you saying you think Biden will pardon himself?

I have no idea if he will, but if he does, then THAT would be a precedent for Trump to pardon himself.  Right now it is not.

I doubt Biden pardons himself.  But the timing of the Hunter pardon is telling.  Most pardons transpire after sentencing, and where the individual has actually served time.   One notable exemption on this would be Nixon, not great company to be in.

 Biden had to act fast to avoid the presentence investigation, what would likely come out of that would be devastating for Joe.

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Just now, RLLD said:

I do, and I stand by that as well, that you would not see it is unsurprising, you are pathetic.

Ending discrimination and segregation in public accommodations made black dads leave. 

Unprecedented stupidity!  

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Ending discrimination and segregation in public accommodations made black dads leave. 

Unprecedented stupidity!  

That is not what happened, hey, you can find statistics that show what happened. but we already know such things are only "evidence" when they support your bias, you dont give a flyin fock about people.....that is clear. 

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I don’t really care if it’s unprecedented or not, this is yet another example of a shitty pardon.   I’m all in favor of constitutionally amending the pardon system.   

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Wait....Biden LIED?! 

SHOCKING!@$%&#*@

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