Republicans are looking to stop welfare and other benefits from going to illegal immigrants paroled into the U.S.

[seafoam1 3,025]

3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think what will happen is that the liberal states will either 1) help Trump round up and deport the illegal immigrants or 2) they use their own welfare funds to foot the whole bill instead of getting the bulk of it from the federal government.  It promotes states rights.  If states want illegals, they can pay for them.  At that point, the citizens of the state has 3 options... 1) accept that your taxes will sky rocket, 2) move to a Republican state, or 3) vote for Republican's to stop your tax increases.

The move towards #3 has already started. I pray #2 will be stopped in it's tracks and made illegal somehow. At least by gauging off of historical voting records of individuals. 

[HellToupee 1,776]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think you understand at all the motivation for people wanting to come here. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

Seems like part of the Trump mandate so let’s do it. I am concerned that it will mean that children within our borders will be denied the most basic necessities of life but it seems like the country is okay with that

Should have aborted them if they can’t feed them 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

45 minutes ago, squistion said:

I don't know about the country but most of this forum seeks OK with it.

Under Trump's last family separtion policy you had screaming toddlers literally being pulled from their mother's arms. And children that young don't understand what is going on and such a separation can result in lifelong mental health issues.

If you want to deport the entire family that is here illegally, fine, do it, but don't punish the kids by separating them from their parents causing emotional trauma they may never recover from. 

The country voted for Trump, or at least he certainly won the election pretty handedly. And at least in part because of his stances on immigration. So yeah, I think they do want it, or at least sure as hell don’t oppose it

[HellToupee 1,776]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Should have aborted them if they can’t feed them 

They adore that sacrament 

[squistion 2,201]

18 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

The country voted for Trump, or at least he certainly won the election pretty handedly. And at least in part because of his stances on immigration. So yeah, I think they do want it, or at least sure as hell don’t oppose it

Not according to the popular vote:

Trump  - 77,275,579 votes (49.9%) 

Harris -  74,993,503 votes (48.4%)

Trump only had 1.5% more votes than Harris and did not win a majority of voters. Viewed in that light it is not a landslide, nor was he given a mandate to govern. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

81 million votes. GTFO.  Biden is the illegitimate president.  

[IGotWorms 4,058]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

Not according to the popular vote:

Trump  - 77,275,579 votes (49.9%) 

Harris -  74,993,503 votes (48.4%)

Trump only had 1.5% more votes than Harris and did not win a majority of voters. Viewed in that light it is not a landslide, nor was he given a mandate to govern. 

 

 

Not some overwhelming general mandate but I do think he gets to do what he wants to do on immigration, unfortunately Ukraine for his buddy Vlad, and some other crap as well. It’s unpalatable to me but I voted for the loser  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Obama only got 66 million. lol. 

[jbycho 754]

Liberals keep voting for losers. Whether they win the election or not, they always pick a loser candidate. And ultimately a loser president if they win the election. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Obamas only accomplishment was getting elected.  The rest of it turned out to be a big nothing positive. But a bunch of negative. 

[supermike80 1,911]

5 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Life boats have a capacity limit.  Those who out of compassion seek to take in more than the capacity end up sinking the boat and killing all on board..

You know, generally im not a huge fan of simplistic analogies. But this one is really good

[supermike80 1,911]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

We are capable of protecting our borders. We’re capable of stopping nearly every undocumented immigrant from coming here if we really want to. We don’t. The price is too high. Everything Trump and the Republicans are doing is for show. The American public thinks they want to do something about this. Truth is they don’t. They want to be told something has been done. 

Boy you couldnt be more wrong with this. What an absurd take

[supermike80 1,911]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well now we get to the real level of disagreement. I don’t want them to try another country. I want this country to be the refuge. That is, IMO, our whole purpose for being a country in the first place. It’s who we are. 

What i have a huge problem with is this take based on nothing but feelings.  This is and will forever be a problem for liberals.   While youre all trying to be nice, others are trying to overtake you, kill you, sh!t on you, and take from you.  That's how humans have acted FOREVER.  And I mean through the entirety of human history.  And you softies actually believe  somehow trying being nice is gonna save you.  Ugh. 

Its just so opposite of everything humanity had learned to date.

[jbycho 754]

33 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

What i have a huge problem with is this take based on nothing but feelings.  This is and will forever be a problem for liberals.   While youre all trying to be nice, others are trying to overtake you, kill you, sh!t on you, and take from you.  That's how humans have acted FOREVER.  And I mean through the entirety of human history.  And you softies actually believe  somehow trying being nice is gonna save you.  Ugh. 

Its just so opposite of everything humanity had learned to date.

WTF is "trying to be nice"? Wake up. Liberals are NOT trying to be nice. 

[lickin_starfish 1,937]

Aye carumba! Somebody is going home for the holidays! 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14205845/Federico-Arellano-Jr-family-wife-twins-deported-Mexico.html

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Just now, lickin_starfish said:

Aye carumba! Somebody is going home for the holidays! 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14205845/Federico-Arellano-Jr-family-wife-twins-deported-Mexico.html

Winning.  

[seafoam1 3,025]

6 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

Aye carumba! Somebody is going home for the holidays! 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14205845/Federico-Arellano-Jr-family-wife-twins-deported-Mexico.html

This is a stellar win!! Thank you Jesus!! 

[squistion 2,201]

1 hour ago, lickin_starfish said:

Aye carumba! Somebody is going home for the holidays! 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14205845/Federico-Arellano-Jr-family-wife-twins-deported-Mexico.html

If his children were born in this country, then they are legally, U.S. citizens, and were deported in error. 

[Strike 5,544]

6 minutes ago, squistion said:

If his children were born in this country, then they are legally, U.S. citizens, and were deported in error. 

Nope.  The parent is asked what to do with the children.  She chose to take them with her.

[seafoam1 3,025]

11 hours ago, squistion said:

If his children were born in this country, then they are legally, U.S. citizens, and were deported in error. 

Nope. Go back to school peanut. 

[RLLD 4,230]

On 12/18/2024 at 4:15 PM, squistion said:

I don't know about the country but most of this forum seeks OK with it.

Under Trump's last family separtion policy you had screaming toddlers literally being pulled from their mother's arms. And children that young don't understand what is going on and such a separation can result in lifelong mental health issues.

If you want to deport the entire family that is here illegally, fine, do it, but don't punish the kids by separating them from their parents causing emotional trauma they may never recover from. 

I find humor is often simple things.

Now that the flow of illegal immigrants has been diminished so successfully.....the pretense of caring about children...well, pretending to care about them being "separated" evaporates...

Haven't heard AOC try to manipulate sentiment with it for a while now.  So what else can they move on to.....and pretend to care about as if its the end of the world?

[squistion 2,201]

18 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I find humor is often simple things.

Now that the flow of illegal immigrants has been diminished so successfully.....the pretense of caring about children...well, pretending to care about them being "separated" evaporates...

Haven't heard AOC try to manipulate sentiment with it for a while now.  So what else can they move on to.....and pretend to care about as if its the end of the world?

Maybe because they haven't started the mass deportation roundups that will separate children from their families.

When that happens you can be assured you will hear from her and other Democrats again.

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Maybe because they haven't started the mass deportation roundups that will separate children from their families.

When that happens you can be assured you will hear from her and other Democrats again.

No....Obama has been out of office for a long time, so I guess we wont see that anymore.

But my point being that of course it was all just fake virtuosity...... which itself led to thousands of children bein trafficked and harmed....but we dont care about that .....do we?

[squistion 2,201]

25 minutes ago, RLLD said:

No....Obama has been out of office for a long time, so I guess we wont see that anymore.

But my point being that of course it was all just fake virtuosity...... which itself led to thousands of children bein trafficked and harmed....but we dont care about that .....do we?

Don't repeat that lie about Obama:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-obama-didnt-have-a-family-separation-policy

AP fact check: Obama didn’t have a family separation policy

THE FACTS: Obama did not have a separation policy. The Trump administration didn’t, explicitly, either, but that was the effect of zero tolerance, which meant that anyone caught crossing the border illegally was to be criminally prosecuted, even if they had few or no previous offenses. 

The policy meant adults were taken to court for criminal proceedings and their children were separated. In most cases, if the charge took longer than 72 hours to process, which is the longest time that children can be held by Customs and Border Protection, children were sent into the care of the Health and Human Services Department. Zero tolerance remains in effect, but Trump signed an executive order June 20 that stopped separations.

The president is correct, however, in saying that photos of children in holding cells were misrepresented online as showing the effects of Trump’s immigration policy.

The photos, taken by The Associated Press, were from 2014, during the Obama administration, and showed children who came to the border without their parents and were being housed at a Customs and Border Protection center in Nogales, Arizona. The photos were identified as such but wrongly described online as illustrating imprisonment under Trump. Various activists expressed horror about the scene until it was pointed out that Trump had nothing to do with it.

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, squistion said:

Don't repeat that lie about Obama:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-obama-didnt-have-a-family-separation-policy

AP fact check: Obama didn’t have a family separation policy

THE FACTS: Obama did not have a separation policy. The Trump administration didn’t, explicitly, either, but that was the effect of zero tolerance, which meant that anyone caught crossing the border illegally was to be criminally prosecuted, even if they had few or no previous offenses. 

The policy meant adults were taken to court for criminal proceedings and their children were separated. In most cases, if the charge took longer than 72 hours to process, which is the longest time that children can be held by Customs and Border Protection, children were sent into the care of the Health and Human Services Department. Zero tolerance remains in effect, but Trump signed an executive order June 20 that stopped separations.

The president is correct, however, in saying that photos of children in holding cells were misrepresented online as showing the effects of Trump’s immigration policy.

The photos, taken by The Associated Press, were from 2014, during the Obama administration, and showed children who came to the border without their parents and were being housed at a Customs and Border Protection center in Nogales, Arizona. The photos were identified as such but wrongly described online as illustrating imprisonment under Trump. Various activists expressed horror about the scene until it was pointed out that Trump had nothing to do with it.

False.

Yes, family separations did happen during the Obama administration, though not in the same way or on the same scale as under the Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy.

Under Obama:

Families crossing the border illegally were sometimes separated, usually when there were concerns about the child’s safety (like if the accompanying adult was suspected of human trafficking) or if the adult had a criminal record.

In certain cases, families were detained together in immigration detention centers, but legal limits (like the Flores Settlement Agreement) often required children to be released, which sometimes resulted in separation if the parents remained in custody.

However, there was no formal policy mandating widespread family separation as a deterrent.  So if your gambit is.....welll....it wasnt....pooolliccyyyy the you are being intellectually dishonest.

And fact remains, all the crying about those poor kids.....ignores how they were exploited by the cartels and others.  You dont care about that.....you just want a cudjule to dislike Trump

I am not impressed with yout fake morality, and I laugh that you cant use your pretend morality on that point any more

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

 

Now that the flow of illegal immigrants has been diminished so successfully.....

Because the economic factors that causes this have simmered down for the moment. None of the underlying problems have been resolved. 
I can almost guarantee you that the numbers will get heavy again at some point in the next few years. It’s inevitable because we refuse to address the real issues. 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Because the economic factors that causes this have simmered down for the moment. None of the underlying problems have been resolved. 
I can almost guarantee you that the numbers will get heavy again at some point in the next few years. It’s inevitable because we refuse to address the real issues. 

No.....nononono....you arent getting away with that....

Now c'mon.....remember who you are talking to here.   Trying to sell "me" with that nonsense is rather insulting.  Please do that with someone else, not me.

[shadrap 228]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because the economic factors that causes this have simmered down for the moment. None of the underlying problems have been resolved. 
I can almost guarantee you that the numbers will get heavy again at some point in the next few years. It’s inevitable because we refuse to address the real issues. 

yea, I'm sure that the "economic factors" have simmered down for the moment.  I'm sure that Trump had nothing to do with it.

cripes, please think before you spill this junk.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

If you don’t feed them, they won’t come.  

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

No.....nononono....you arent getting away with that....

Now c'mon.....remember who you are talking to here.   Trying to sell "me" with that nonsense is rather insulting.  Please do that with someone else, not me.

I believe what I wrote 100%. Not trying to sell you on anything. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

1 minute ago, shadrap said:

yea, I'm sure that the "economic factors" have simmered down for the moment.  I'm sure that Trump had nothing to do with it.

cripes, please think before you spill this junk.

Trump absolutely had something to do with it. His presence and threats have successfully scared people away for now. 

But it’s a band-aid not a cure. Undocumented immigrants arrive at our borders as a result of pressures we have no control over. Eventually that pressure will become overwhelming again. 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I believe what I wrote 100%. Not trying to sell you on anything. 

I think I believe you, that you actually think what you typed is truth.

I am trying to find the words here, I just think this is really sad....that you have this notion in your mind as to what is happening. I honestly....cant find anything to say in the face of such an absurd statement.

 

[shadrap 228]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Trump absolutely had something to do with it. His presence and threats have successfully scared people away for now. 

But it’s a band-aid not a cure. Undocumented immigrants arrive at our borders as a result of pressures we have no control over. Eventually that pressure will become overwhelming again. 

yea, well at least Trump did something until congress can pass some laws that settle the matter.  your moron Biden was flying them in, putting them up in hotels/motels & giving them money.  Our money, by the way.

real sweet, huh?

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think I believe you, that you actually think what you typed is truth.

I am trying to find the words here, I just think this is really sad....that you have this notion in your mind as to what is happening. I honestly....cant find anything to say in the face of such an absurd statement.

 

Tell you what: let’s revisit this discussion again in one or two years. If during that time border crossings stay at their current low level, then I will concede that this was all Trump, that he was effective, and that the problem has been resolved. 
If on the other hand, as I predict, there will be at some point another explosion of people at our border which Trump is unable to control, then perhaps you will acknowledge that the issues are a little more complex than mere security? 

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

On 12/18/2024 at 6:33 AM, The Real timschochet said:

Stupid. They’re not here for these benefits and they won’t leave if they don’t get them. But if you remove Medicaid in particular you run the risk of spreading diseases like tuberculosis. Administering a TB shot costs the taxpayer around $25. A developed case of TB cost around $3000 to treat or more. Stupid. 

You don't think they are coming to CA for free healthcare? 

And that's just one thing. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

3 minutes ago, shadrap said:

yea, well at least Trump did something until congress can pass some laws that settle the matter.  your moron Biden was flying them in, putting them up in hotels/motels & giving them money.  Our money, by the way.

real sweet, huh?

Biden wasn’t flying undocumented people in. Nor was he giving them money or putting them in hotels. He was doing ALL of these things for refugees and I wish he had done more. Trump has put a stop to all of it and now many of these refugees face possible death. I addressed this yesterday. It’s shameful. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

You don't think they are coming to CA for free healthcare? 

And that's just one thing. 

No. They come here for freedom and economic opportunity. 

[squistion 2,201]

3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

You don't think they are coming to CA for free healthcare? 

And that's just one thing. 

Not by itself, no.

[jonnyutah 288]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No. They come here for freedom and economic opportunity. 

Economic opportunity is increased because they get free stuff from NGOs and free healthcare from the gubmint.