Dynasty Alert: Tet McMillan isn't going to be that good

[ICEMAN 41]

When I see Tet play, I get Michael Thomas vibes. I think that he could be that type of player. Not the fastest guy in the world, but he could get open and had AMAZING hands.

ICEMAN

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3 minutes ago, ICEMAN said:

When I see Tet play, I get Michael Thomas vibes. I think that he could be that type of player. Not the fastest guy in the world, but he could get open and had AMAZING hands.

ICEMAN

He's so damn slow. I'm not sure he'll have time in the NFL to get off the line and get open consistently. The QB will be on his back before Tet runs 10 yards. 

- Maximum Overkill 

[jrokh 608]

According to NFL Draft Buzz Tet ran a 4.50 40, which considering his size is fine...

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Tetairoa-McMillan-WR-Arizona

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40 times dont really matter for those bigger WR that work intermediate. 

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45 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

40 times dont really matter for those bigger WR that work intermediate. 

He'll be fine at the intermediate and short routes. He'll have a hard time creating YAK down the field though. People are obsessed with the size, which is a mistake. He's got a lot of red flags in his game, most of which is him taking plays off

[jrokh 608]

My point is 4.50 isn’t slow as some were suggesting…

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5 minutes ago, jrokh said:

My point is 4.50 isn’t slow as some were suggesting…

I agree.  Is that a time from some run or a projection?

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39 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I agree.  Is that a time from some run or a projection?

It's a projection. Kinda like how Kaleb Johnson ran a 4.57, he was projected as high 4.4s. 

Tet is nowhere near as fast as Johnson. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,236]

On 2/2/2025 at 12:29 PM, nobody said:

I called Nabers over Marvin Harrison around this time last year when all the pundits were calling MHJ a generational talent.  Doesn't mean I'm guaranteed to be right.  But I sure as hell wouldn't trust the draft touts either.  Just saying.

hey I once got roasted for saying Jay Cutler wont be a franchise QB and is a mental midget, while also claiming that Matt Ryan would be a far better QB

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9 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

hey I once got roasted for saying Jay Cutler wont be a franchise QB and is a mental midget, while also claiming that Matt Ryan would be a far better QB

Oh the shame.  

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He just ran a 4.46-4.53.  Consensus said to be 4.48.

For what its worth.

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Also.  Nabers was selected a whole 2 spots behind Harrison.  Dont understand this idea that Harrison was considered such a better prospect than Nabers.  People were very high on Harrison.  They were also very high on Nabers.

[nobody 2,555]

People called Harrison a generational prospect.  They didn't say that about Nabers.

And then if anyone dared to question if Harrison should be number 1, there was a large portion of the media that was incredulous anyone would doubt Harrison is 1.

I have rarely seen the type of stuff I've seen for the Harrison hype.  It was a lot of, "if you don't think Harrison is number 1, I don't know what to tell you.  He just is.  He's amazing."

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2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

He just ran a 4.46-4.53.  Consensus said to be 4.48.

For what its worth.

That's really good for Tet

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2 hours ago, nobody said:

People called Harrison a generational prospect.  They didn't say that about Nabers.

And then if anyone dared to question if Harrison should be number 1, there was a large portion of the media that was incredulous anyone would doubt Harrison is 1.

I have rarely seen the type of stuff I've seen for the Harrison hype.  It was a lot of, "if you don't think Harrison is number 1, I don't know what to tell you.  He just is.  He's amazing."

I believe you are misremembering.  

Although former Ohio State wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. is widely recognized as one of the top players in the 2024 NFL draft class, some scouts have reportedly preferred LSU wideout Malik Nabers as an alternative.

ESPN's Matt Miller explained on Monday why he believes that Nabers shouldn't be viewed as a "consolation prize" for a team that misses out on drafting Harrison Jr. at the top of the first round.

"In fact, three NFL scouts I spoke to at the Senior Bowl told me they actually have Nabers ranked ahead of Harrison on their initial draft boards," wrote Miller.

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Or perhaps a media member like Simms having not only Nabers over him but Thomas as well.  

The NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah created quite the frenzy when he took to Twitter to claim he wouldn't be shocked if Nabers was the first receiver drafted. The Athletic's Dane Brugler shared a similar sentiment. Chris Simms ranked Harrison Jr. third on his positional big board behind Nabers and his teammate Brian Thomas Jr. Washington’s Rome Odunze is also in the conversation.

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Nabers too is an outstanding route-runner, but the LSU playmaker offers a different skill set from Harrison Jr. Nabers possesses better downfield speed and explosive run-after-catch ability in open space. Teams that value those qualities above anything else could have Nabers sitting atop their receiver rankings. At worst, Nabers should be the "1B" to Harrison Jr.'s "1A."

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Or maybe a draft talking head like McShay

Malik Nabers over Marvin Harrison Jr.?

@McShay13

joined

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and explained why he ranked Nabers as his top receiver in this year's NFL draft:

 

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2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Or maybe a draft talking head like McShay

Malik Nabers over Marvin Harrison Jr.?

@McShay13

joined

@ryenarussillo

and explained why he ranked Nabers as his top receiver in this year's NFL draft:

 

plenty of draft analysts had Nabers over Harrison. Probably not the majority, but the OP seems to like strawman arguments...

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3 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

I believe you are misremembering.  

Although former Ohio State wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr. is widely recognized as one of the top players in the 2024 NFL draft class, some scouts have reportedly preferred LSU wideout Malik Nabers as an alternative.

ESPN's Matt Miller explained on Monday why he believes that Nabers shouldn't be viewed as a "consolation prize" for a team that misses out on drafting Harrison Jr. at the top of the first round.

"In fact, three NFL scouts I spoke to at the Senior Bowl told me they actually have Nabers ranked ahead of Harrison on their initial draft boards," wrote Miller.

Yeah, you can find people who are smart.  The vast majority of the media were creaming themselves over MHJ.

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We're just going to rewrite history and pretend people weren't touting MHJ to be a stud... okay I guess.

[nobody 2,555]

Harrison is a slam-dunk prospect. He is a twitched-up athlete with polished route-running ability and elite ball skills. It's so easy to see how his game translates right away. Harrison would be an instant No. 1 WR for most offenses.

GRADE: 9.7 (Top-Five Player)

OVERALL RANK: 1

POSITION RANK: WR1

 

Bleacher report clowns had him ranked #1 overall

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Harrison is a unicorn of a route savant at over 6’3″ who can also dominate against undersized defensive backs in contested situations, as well as use his speed to generate chunk plays on schemed touches. He’s a truly elite three-level threat and a high-gravity target, if there ever was one.

Right out of the gate in the NFL, Harrison projects as a high-impact, attention-drawing X receiver, who also has the versatility to play the movement-Z spot. And he has the combined physical talent and near-flawless intangibles to support an All-Pro ceiling.

[nobody 2,555]

Marvin Harrison Jr. is the best prospect in College Football. He has prototypical size standing at 6-3 - 6-4 (although Ohio State does have a tendency to inflate these numbers!), combined with elite 4.3 speed (estimated from GPS data), high-end hands, and outstanding route running along makes him an almost perfect prospect. Harrison is pretty much a can't-miss prospect and is destined for stardom at the pro level. He won't make it past the first three selections in the 2024 NFL Draft and will be the first none QB picked.

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Marvin Harrison Jr. scouting report and rankings

Reid's ranking: No. 1 overall, No. 1 WR

Harrison has rare body control, strong hands and great flexibility, putting him in line with the top receiver prospects we've seen this century. Despite inconsistent QB play at Ohio State in 2023, he still managed to be arguably the most dangerous playmaker in the country. He's able to win in a variety of ways, showing the route-running skills of a smaller receiver. And Harrison is an instant-impact type of prospect with the potential to be a top-10 receiver in the NFL as early as his rookie season. -- Reid

Miller's ranking: No. 2 overall, No. 1 WR

Harrison has excellent body control, breakaway speed and a savvy understanding of the wideout position. Despite defenses knowing where the ball is going the majority of the time when Ohio State drops back to pass, Harrison finished the season with 67 catches for 1,211 yards and 14 TDs. Buckeyes co-offensive coordinator Brian Hartline said Harrison is the best receiver he has coached, and if Caleb Williams weren't in this class, Harrison would be cemented as my top prospect for 2024. -- Miller

Scouts Inc. ranking: No. 2 overall, No. 1 WR

Harrison punishes teams that try to cover him one-on-one. He's a polished route runner who creates leverage with his release and the way he stems his routes. He's also an instinctive open-field runner with the burst to threaten after the catch. Harrison tracks the ball well and makes over-the-shoulder catches look easy. He is a big target and has the sure hands, body control and frame to come down with 50-50 balls downfield and in the red zone. Harrison also has a good feel for how to attack zone looks. -- Muench

Kiper's ranking: No. 3 overall, No. 1 WR

I have an elite grade on Harrison, whose name should be familiar. His dad is that Marvin Harrison, whom I scouted coming out of Syracuse in 1996 and who is now in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. The younger Harrison is on track to get my highest pre-draft grade for a wideout since Calvin Johnson (2007) and Larry Fitzgerald (2004). Harrison has everything, from outstanding size and stellar hands to incredible body control and blazing speed. His dad ran a 4.33-second 40-yard dash before the 1996 draft but was just under 6 feet when the Colts took him in Round 1. Harrison Jr. is 4 inches taller and could have similar speed. -- Kiper

Yates' ranking: No. 3 overall, No. 1 WR

Harrison checks every box and is the most pro-ready prospect in the entire class. There's no hole in his game, and Harrison showed that he is a QB-proof player this past season after C.J. Stroud left for the NFL. His 14 touchdowns tied for third most in FBS, and I love his combination of size, speed, catch radius and run-after-catch skills. -- Yates

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Biased.  

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Tet's highlight real is just him posting up little 5'8 corners. He has Quinton Johnson written all over him

 

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8 hours ago, nobody said:

We're just going to rewrite history and pretend people weren't touting MHJ to be a stud... okay I guess.

No where did I say Harrison wasnt considered the number 1 WR by most.  Or that he wasnt said to be a stud.  The point is there were plenty of people who had Nabers over him.  And plenty more who said its 1a 1b depends what kind of WR you want. 

You were acting like no one dare thought to think Nabers was better.  There were plenty of people who did or had them very close.  And he went 2 whole spots later.    

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9 hours ago, jrokh said:

plenty of draft analysts had Nabers over Harrison. Probably not the majority, but the OP seems to like strawman arguments...

No not thr majority.   And thats not the point im making.  But many did.  And many of those who had Harrison over Nabers wouldnt of said it was a huge gap.  

Both were very highly touted.  Harrison more so, perhaps because of the name and size.  

A lot of people who had Harrison over him would still admit that Nabers with his juice has a higher ceiling if he hits.  

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1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

 

A lot of people who had Harrison over him would still admit that Nabers with his juice has a higher ceiling if he hits. 

We don't know that. Nabers was forced fed every pass because the Giants didn't have anyone else, nothing. He was the entire offense, that's going to change over time. Nabers had 165 targets in 15 games. Harrison had 116 targets in 16 games. 

Harrison on the other hand had to fight for targets in a system that preferred to run the ball and target the TE in a short passing game. Arizona did not use Harrison to his strengths. They treated him as a downhill receiver, he's not. Expect that to change as well. 

Both are insanely talented but it's way too early to anoint Nabers as the better player after 1 odd season. 

 

[JagFan 149]

On 3/17/2025 at 1:15 PM, listen2me 23 said:

Also.  Nabers was selected a whole 2 spots behind Harrison.  Dont understand this idea that Harrison was considered such a better prospect than Nabers.  People were very high on Harrison.  They were also very high on Nabers.

And Brain Thomas Jr ended up being better than both of them.

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2 hours ago, JagFan said:

And Brain Thomas Jr ended up being better than both of them.

I know a Jags fan but not sure about that.  Nabers is pretty special if he doesnt go the diva route.  But yea Thomas looked damn good.   

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12 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

We don't know that. Nabers was forced fed every pass because the Giants didn't have anyone else, nothing. He was the entire offense, that's going to change over time. Nabers had 165 targets in 15 games. Harrison had 116 targets in 16 games. 

Harrison on the other hand had to fight for targets in a system that preferred to run the ball and target the TE in a short passing game. Arizona did not use Harrison to his strengths. They treated him as a downhill receiver, he's not. Expect that to change as well. 

Both are insanely talented but it's way too early to anoint Nabers as the better player after 1 odd season. 

 

No and I agree.  Its not like Harrison sucked for a rookie year.  Too early to tell.  But Nabers showed that he was as advertised with an absolute crap QB and just crappy team.  Yea he was force fed but with zero going on with the Giants (tracy was good after a bit) thrn thr whole defense can key on him and he still caught balls.  

But I agree.   The stats mean little thus far.  But Nabers at times looked very legit.  In the draft process one would have said Nabers is a little more raw than Harrison.  Nabers' upside is pretty massive.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,480]

On 3/6/2025 at 10:09 AM, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

hey I once got roasted for saying Jay Cutler wont be a franchise QB and is a mental midget, while also claiming that Matt Ryan would be a far better QB

You should've seen the responses I got on a Bucs forum when I said I wouldn't draft Jameis Winston because I thought his horrible decision making will relegate him to a career backup.  LOL  Being called a racist was among the nicest things.

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4 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

wouldn't

 

4 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

wouldn't draft Jameis Winston because I thought his horrible decision making will relegate him to a career backup

I feel like that's Cam Ward this year. 

[nobody 2,555]

People might be waking up.  Heard someone today say he struggles to separate.  Then of course he got shouted down by the know-nothings that he should "just watch the games.  He's good" which coincidentally is the same thing the know-nothings said about MHJ last year.

Like nah bro.  It ain't 1998 anymore.  Name of the game is get open.  It's not make a contested catch with a cornerback draped all over you.

[Maximum Overkill 1,738]

He's not going to bully NFL corners. He'll need to learn how to run a route. Watch his tape, every play is him posting up a 5'10 college corner. 

He's got a long way to go before I anoint him as the next Drake London 

[LaChup 228]

I feel pretty confident that whatever team is in need of big Tet's and TDs will end up getting him.