Trump and Russia- the optimism is fading

[The Real timschochet 6,619]

17 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What concessions is Russia giving here? There has to be something, right?

They will destroy the pee tape for real this time. 

[League Champion 1,909]

20 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What concessions is Russia giving here? There has to be something, right?

Land rights. That's the only foreseeable outcome. 

[thegeneral 3,119]

Just now, League Champion said:

Land rights. That's the only foreseeable outcome. 

What is Russia giving?

[League Champion 1,909]

Just now, thegeneral said:

What is Russia giving?

Nothing at all. Everyone knows that Russia can outlast Ukraine. Ukraine is a few years away from having nobody left to fight 

[thegeneral 3,119]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

Nothing at all. Everyone knows that Russia can outlast Ukraine. Ukraine is a few years away from having nobody left to fight 

Russia is sending in North Koreans

[League Champion 1,909]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Russia is sending in North Koreans

Why wouldn't they? 

[GobbleDog 991]

5 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Russia is sending in North Koreans

Sending in Korean troops, importing Korean artillery shells, and they've been using donkeys in recent months to carry supplies.  There's also numerous videos of Russia sending old men and wounded soldiers on crutches to the front lines. The Russian army is clearly having issues and ya have to wonder how much longer they can go on. They're nearing 1 million causalities.

Obviously Putin has been gambling on Trump coming to the rescue. And sadly, it seems that gamble might pay off.

[jbycho 754]

33 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Sending in Korean troops, importing Korean artillery shells, and they've been using donkeys in recent months to carry supplies.  There's also numerous videos of Russia sending old men and wounded soldiers on crutches to the front lines. The Russian army is clearly having issues and ya have to wonder how much longer they can go on. They're nearing 1 million causalities.

Obviously Putin has been gambling on Trump coming to the rescue. And sadly, it seems that gamble might pay off.

Wow. How delusional can you get? 

[thegeneral 3,119]

30 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Sending in Korean troops, importing Korean artillery shells, and they've been using donkeys in recent months to carry supplies.  There's also numerous videos of Russia sending old men and wounded soldiers on crutches to the front lines. The Russian army is clearly having issues and ya have to wonder how much longer they can go on. They're nearing 1 million causalities.

Obviously Putin has been gambling on Trump coming to the rescue. And sadly, it seems that gamble might pay off.

Yep. And Donald is just giving them everything they want in this deal.

[jbycho 754]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Yep. And Donald is just giving them everything they want in this deal.

Awesome. You keep spinning out of control, and the good guys keep winning.

You poor libtards. It's awesome to watch you suffer.  

[thegeneral 3,119]

27 minutes ago, jbycho said:

Awesome. You keep spinning out of control, and the good guys keep winning.

You poor libtards. It's awesome to watch you suffer.  

Deep thoughts from Comrade Peefoam! 

[jbycho 754]

28 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Deep thoughts from Comrade Peefoam! 

Ok gutterboy. Good one pee guy.

[TrailGuy 554]

World leaders are arriving in Kyiv for the third anniversary of Russia's full-scale invasion. EC President Ursula von der Leyen, Council President António Costa, and leaders from Spain, Canada, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia have arrived. 13 leaders are in Kyiv, with 24 more joining online.

NATO making a strong statement against the US/Russia alliance.

[listen2me 23 1,847]

The EU spent more on importing Russian fossil fuels in 2024 than they gave Ukraine in aid.

[listen2me 23 1,847]

7 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

Sending in Korean troops, importing Korean artillery shells, and they've been using donkeys in recent months to carry supplies.  There's also numerous videos of Russia sending old men and wounded soldiers on crutches to the front lines. The Russian army is clearly having issues and ya have to wonder how much longer they can go on. They're nearing 1 million causalities.

Obviously Putin has been gambling on Trump coming to the rescue. And sadly, it seems that gamble might pay off.

Yeah Ukraine had them right where they wanted them.  

Lol you cant make this stuff up.  

[TrailGuy 554]

The UN has adopted Ukraine’s resolution condemning Russian aggression and demanding the immediate withdrawal of Putin’s forces, marking the war’s third anniversary.

The U.S. joined Russia, North Korea, Belarus, Israel, Sudan, and Hungary in opposing the resolution.

[Fnord 2,187]

Just now, TrailGuy said:

The UN has adopted Ukraine’s resolution condemning Russian aggression and demanding the immediate withdrawal of Putin’s forces, marking the war’s third anniversary.

The U.S. joined Russia, North Korea, Belarus, Israel, Sudan, and Hungary in opposing the resolution.

Israel and the US joining with the who's who of autocratic regimes. Right wing politics in action. MAGA!

[Horseman 2,438]

When you're negotiating a deal it's best to keep yourself as neutral as possible.  Weaklings don't understand that, their feelings get in the way. 

[TrailGuy 554]

Trump got destroyed by the French Frog today.  Hot Damn. 

Here is Frenchy saying that Russia is the aggressor in the war while Trump sits there and listens: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1894096190221795372

Then Trump tries to repeat his lie about how Europe gets their money back when Macron interrupts him to fact check him.  Trump makes his dumb face: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1894096435194253570

Here Macron takes Trump and Hegseth to the woodshed telling him how dumb it is to announce that the US won't be part of a peace keeping force before negotiations start: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1894120042049974503

Masterclass on how to deal with Putin on the world stage vs what Trump has done.

[Horseman 2,438]

49 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

Trump got destroyed by the French Frog today.  Hot Damn. 

Here is Frenchy saying that Russia is the aggressor in the war while Trump sits there and listens: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1894096190221795372

Then Trump tries to repeat his lie about how Europe gets their money back when Macron interrupts him to fact check him.  Trump makes his dumb face: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1894096435194253570

Here Macron takes Trump and Hegseth to the woodshed telling him how dumb it is to announce that the US won't be part of a peace keeping force before negotiations start: https://x.com/atrupar/status/1894120042049974503

Masterclass on how to deal with Putin on the world stage vs what Trump has done.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is the difference between watching it yourself versus getting your news from twitter. Along with extremely low IQ.  

[TrailGuy 554]

German chancellor elect speaks the obvious.  The EU is now alone since the US joined Russia, North Korea and Iran.

 

[TrailGuy 554]

from magas.

They know they got this one wrong.  We're allied with Russia now.

[League Champion 1,909]

Just now, TrailGuy said:

The EU is now alone

And that's exactly how it should be. It's Europes problem, not ours. Why do you support Ukraine? They're the most corrupt evil Country on the planet. 

[TrailGuy 554]

Just now, League Champion said:

And that's exactly how it should be. It's Europes problem, not ours. Why do you support Ukraine? They're the most corrupt evil Country on the planet. 

I support our allies that we've had for 80 years.  I support democracy and freedom.

The US should not support war criminals who invade other countries and murder hundreds of thousands.

Why do you support Russia?

[League Champion 1,909]

3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

support our allies

Ukraine has NEVER been our allie. We kept them close only because of the proximity to Russia. To call them an allie is ridiculous 

[TrailGuy 554]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

Ukraine has NEVER been our allie. We kept them close only because of the proximity to Russia. To call them an allie is ridiculous 

You've obviously never heard of the Budapest memorandum.  Look it up.

The US, Russia and UK agreed that they would respect the sovereignty of Ukraine and provide assistance and defense to Ukraine if they give up their nuclear weapons.

Russia broke that pact, and now we have too.

[TrailGuy 554]

Mr Trump is Putin a dictator?

I wouldn't say that...

[League Champion 1,909]

4 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

respect the sovereignty of Ukraine

It's a corrupt Dictatorship 

Do you even understand how corrupt and sick these people are? It's the child trafficking hub of the World, a country where Pedophilia is all but swept under the rug. 

WHY ARE YOU HELL BENT ON PROTECTING THEM? Even Putin doesn't want them as a neighbor, can you blame him? 

[TrailGuy 554]

6 minutes ago, League Champion said:

It's a corrupt Dictatorship 

Do you even understand how corrupt and sick these people are? It's the child trafficking hub of the World, a country where Pedophilia is all but swept under the rug. 

WHY ARE YOU HELL BENT ON PROTECTING THEM? Even Putin doesn't want them as a neighbor, can you blame him? 

It's swept under the rug in the US too.  Ever been to church?

You're a Russian bot.   

[HellToupee 1,709]

Europe is of course and we don’t need to get tangled up in their messes anymore 

[League Champion 1,909]

38 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

You're a Russian bot. 

By supporting Ukraine you're supporting Pedophilia and Child trafficking. But then again, we already know that Democrats despise real Women so it kinda makes sense

[Gepetto 1,352]

We did support Ukraine. Kiev and most of the country was saved from Russian expansion although not saved from destruction of buildings and lives. After 3 years it’s time for all to accept this is a stalemate and come to an agreement to end this war.

[League Champion 1,909]

13 hours ago, TrailGuy said:

Mr Trump is Putin a dictator?

I wouldn't say that...

The Mineral Deal is done BOYO, another BOSS move by The Greatest President of all time.  

[thegeneral 3,119]

36 minutes ago, League Champion said:

The Mineral Deal is done BOYO, another BOSS move by The Greatest President of all time.  

You know I think that is a good deal for us. If Ukraine doesn’t join NATO it’s a bad deal but sure a joint deal with us and Ukraine to lock up these minerals is good. Nice work Bozo the President I’ll give you an attay boy for this.

[GobbleDog 991]

16 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You know I think that is a good deal for us. If Ukraine doesn’t join NATO it’s a bad deal but sure a joint deal with us and Ukraine to lock up these minerals is good. Nice work Bozo the President I’ll give you an attay boy for this.

Hopefully Ukraine got some security guarantees in exchange. Who knows what terms are, but Trump's initial offer was absurd demanding $500 billion, as repayment for $100 billion which was granted to Ukraine in the form of outdated weapons/artillery, which the US was going to restock anyway, and Ukraine gets nothing in return. Especially given Ukraine is fighting for its life against a common enemy. 

I will say I recently saw a report that Ukraine had actually offered a mineral deal to the US long before Trump took office that never came to fruition. So, if that's true I guess Ukraine was willing to negotiate with it.

Just doesn't feel right... let's help Ukraine win first and then talk business.  Trump is a slimeball. 

[jbycho 754]

7 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Hopefully Ukraine got some security guarantees in exchange. Who knows what terms are, but Trump's initial offer was absurd demanding $500 billion, as repayment for $100 billion which was granted to Ukraine in the form of outdated weapons/artillery, which the US was going to restock anyway, and Ukraine gets nothing in return. Especially given Ukraine is fighting for its life against a common enemy. 

I will say I recently saw a report that Ukraine had actually offered a mineral deal to the US long before Trump took office that never came to fruition. So, if that's true I guess Ukraine was willing to negotiate with it.

Just doesn't feel right... let's help Ukraine win first and then talk business.  Trump is a slimeball. 

Wow. You are really lost.

[thegeneral 3,119]

8 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Hopefully Ukraine got some security guarantees in exchange. Who knows what terms are, but Trump's initial offer was absurd demanding $500 billion, as repayment for $100 billion which was granted to Ukraine in the form of outdated weapons/artillery, which the US was going to restock anyway, and Ukraine gets nothing in return. Especially given Ukraine is fighting for its life against a common enemy. 

I will say I recently saw a report that Ukraine had actually offered a mineral deal to the US long before Trump took office that never came to fruition. So, if that's true I guess Ukraine was willing to negotiate with it.

Just doesn't feel right... let's help Ukraine win first and then talk business.  Trump is a slimeball. 

Of course. He’s garbage. It should however be baked into this that we would get some benefit from spearheading the defense of Ukraine. That it is this transactional and he chooses to announce it in this way is on brand for this guy.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

49 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Hopefully Ukraine got some security guarantees in exchange. Who knows what terms are, but Trump's initial offer was absurd demanding $500 billion, as repayment for $100 billion which was granted to Ukraine in the form of outdated weapons/artillery, which the US was going to restock anyway, and Ukraine gets nothing in return. Especially given Ukraine is fighting for its life against a common enemy. 

I will say I recently saw a report that Ukraine had actually offered a mineral deal to the US long before Trump took office that never came to fruition. So, if that's true I guess Ukraine was willing to negotiate with it.

Just doesn't feel right... let's help Ukraine win first and then talk business.  Trump is a slimeball. 

So how do we get the win Eisenhower?

[GobbleDog 991]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So how do we get the win Eisenhower?

Trump has talked of easing Russian sanctions... ridiculous. Maximized.  Countries buying Russian oil/gas (particularly India) need heavy diplomatic pressure exerted. Same for those helping to evade sanctions - China and Armenia. Confiscate the $300 billion in Russian foreign holdings to be used for Ukraine's defense. Provide more and better weapons - remove all restrictions on where they can be targeted. European countries will follow suit. Most importantly make it known - "We will not rest until Ukraine wins the war." Not the Ukraine just can't lose jargon Biden peddled.

Had those things happened in the first year of the war... it'd be long over with Putin dead or in prison right now.

That's what should happen, but probably not realistic with Trump... though who knows what the mineral deal included. I'll give him credit for one thing - in spite of every disgusting thing he's done regarding Ukraine so far, he's gotten Europe to get off their lazy asses to actually spend on defense. NATO turned them into bums... "why should we spend money, the US will always save us."  Unfortunately Trump made the US look like unreliable Putin loving donkey's while doing it, but whatever.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,257]

5 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Trump has talked of easing Russian sanctions... ridiculous. Maximized.  Countries buying Russian oil/gas (particularly India) need heavy diplomatic pressure exerted. Same for those helping to evade sanctions - China and Armenia. Confiscate the $300 billion in Russian foreign holdings to be used for Ukraine's defense. Provide more and better weapons - remove all restrictions on where they can be targeted. European countries will follow suit. Most importantly make it known - "We will not rest until Ukraine wins the war." Not the Ukraine just can't lose jargon Biden peddled.

Had those things happened in the first year of the war... it'd be long over with Putin dead or in prison right now.

That's what should happen, but probably not realistic with Trump... though who knows what the mineral deal included. I'll give him credit for one thing - in spite of every disgusting thing he's done regarding Ukraine so far, he's gotten Europe to get off their lazy asses to actually spend on defense. NATO turned them into bums... "why should we spend money, the US will always save us."  Unfortunately Trump made the US look like unreliable Putin loving donkey's while doing it, but whatever.

You’re going to need troops. Thoughts?