Another plane crash, today, 2 small planes collided in mid-air

[Gepetto 1,368]

This airport does not have a control tower. 2 died that were in one plane. 2 others walked away unharmed from the other plane.

[edjr 6,580]

Trump!

[Strike 5,538]

17 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

This airport does not have a control tower. 2 died that were in one plane. 2 others walked away unharmed from the other plane.

It's a pretty busy non-towered airport.  It's actually scheduled to get a tower but doesn't look like that will happen until 2029:

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-central-southern-az/tucson/air-traffic-control-tower-project-at-marana-regional-airport-set-new-deadline-after-delay

There are protocols pilots follow at non-towered airports that are different than towered airports.  Will be interesting to hear if those were followed in this case.   Very sad.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,099]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

It's a pretty busy non-towered airport.  It's actually scheduled to get a tower but doesn't look like that will happen until 2029:

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-central-southern-az/tucson/air-traffic-control-tower-project-at-marana-regional-airport-set-new-deadline-after-delay

There are protocols pilots follow at non-towered airports that are different than towered airports.  Will be interesting to hear if those were followed in this case.   Very sad.

 

 

[TheNewGirl 1,489]

I've canceled all air travel for this year. My hubs has a trip in March and I am a little worried. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,099]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

I've canceled all air travel for this year. My hubs has a trip in March and I am a little worried. 

Just like it took a couple years for DEI to manifest itself, it's going to take a couple years to remove from the system as well.

Might as well cancel for the next few years.  Watch this and let me know if you feel any better:

 

[League Champion 1,911]

Ohhh great, 2 more DEI Pilots 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

34 minutes ago, edjr said:

Trump!

Truuuuuump! 

[Strike 5,538]

19 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I've canceled all air travel for this year. My hubs has a trip in March and I am a little worried. 

Don't be.  Air travel is still the safest form of travel in the world today.  Especially when you're talking about commercial air travel there are several systems working to prevent accidents.  You have ATC obviously, then you have something called ADSB which allows planes to see where each other are, and there is a system called TCAS that commercial planes have that will monitor the area right around that plane and tell the pilots what to do to avoid another plane that is in danger of hitting them:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision_avoidance_system

Relatively speaking, flying small planes like the ones that collided in AZ today is much more dangerous than commercial and I still feel totally safe every time I go up. 

Lurch will be fine

[Tebok 442]

Trump's America.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

Rusty’s Mangina 

[shadrap 228]

7 minutes ago, Tebok said:

Trump's America.

yea, this is the last straw.  Truuuumppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[purdygood 352]

When do we start flying "Lets Go Airplane's" flags ? 

[TrailGuy 554]

Another near miss

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/midway-airport-jet-southwest-near-miss-video-faa/3682652/

[Mike Honcho 5,269]

It's like they're falling out of the sky!

[Tree of Knowledge 1,855]

1 minute ago, TrailGuy said:

Another near miss

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/midway-airport-jet-southwest-near-miss-video-faa/3682652/

DEI in the skies and DEI in the control towers    Thankfully, we are weeding this out but it will take some time to clean up this Biden/Harris/Bootyjuice mess.  

[TrailGuy 554]

Just now, Tree of Knowledge said:

DEI in the skies and DEI in the control towers    Thankfully, we are weeding this out but it will take some time to clean up this Biden/Harris/Bootyjuice mess.  

This is on Trumps watch now.  Every crash is his fault boyo.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

Bidens FAA.  Obamas too. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,855]

1 minute ago, TrailGuy said:

This is on Trumps watch now.  Every crash is his fault boyo.

Smart move would be an EO banning all women, minorities, and trannies from operating mechanical equipment until they can show their competency.  

[RLLD 4,230]

 

[TrailGuy 554]

4 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Smart move would be an EO banning all women, minorities, and trannies from operating mechanical equipment until they can show their competency.  

Fo Sho.  We should see this by end of week.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,855]

20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

Didn’t SWA have to pull a drunk pilot out of the cockpit a couple months ago?

[Strike 5,538]

22 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Didn’t SWA have to pull a drunk pilot out of the cockpit a couple months ago?

Had nothing to do with SWA.  The small plane in front of him focked up.  Here is that plane talking to ground:

FJ: Flexjet 560 Signature with Tango, Taxi
GND: Flexjet 560 Departure Frequency 119.35 Runway 22L.... What taxiway are you coming out of?
FJ: We're over at Whiskey, FlexJet 560
GND: FlexJet 560 roger. Taxi via Foxtrot and hold short of runway 22R Plan for runway 22L
FJ: OK Planning for 22L Flexjet 560
FJ: [asks something but is stepped on]
FJ: And Ground Flexjet 560 Just wanted to confirm our taxi instructions for 22L from Signature.
GND: Where on the ramp are you?
FJ: We're at Signature Avation at Alpha ah Taxi
GND: Taxi Alpha, Foxtrot, Hold short 22R.
FJ: Alpha, Fox, Hold Short 22R. Flexjet 560
GND: Flexjet 560 turn left on runway 4L Cross Runway 31L and hold short of 31C.
FJ: OK, left on 4L, cross 22, uh 13C FlexJet 560
GND: FlexJet 560 Negative cross runway 31L, hold short runway 31C.
FJ: Cross 31L hold short 31C FlexJet 560
GND: [while being talked over by another aircraft] Flexjet 560 hold short FlexJet 560
GND: FlexJet 560 Hold your position there.
GND: FLexJet 560 continue across the hold short hold short of hotel.
GND: FlexJet your instructions were to hold short of 31C.
GND: FlexJet 560 hold your position there sir don't move.
GND: FlexJet 560 possible pilot deviation. Advise you contact Midway Tower at a number. Advise when ready to copy.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

Ban non commercial passenger planes. There are just too many planes flying around now. 

[Strike 5,538]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Ban non commercial passenger planes. There are just too many planes flying around now. 

GTFOH.  Which of these incidents had anything to do with "too many planes flying around now?"  You know not of what you speak.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

13 minutes ago, Strike said:

GTFOH.  Which of these incidents had anything to do with "too many planes flying around now?"  You know not of what you speak.

Looks like this near miss did. Air traffic has significantly increased over time, right? I’d say Less traffic less incidents? 

[Strike 5,538]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Looks like this near miss did. Air traffic has significantly increased over time, right? I’d say Less traffic less incidents? 

No, this incident didn't.  ATC gave the pilot of the small plane explicit instructions to hold short of that runway and the pilot IGNORED those instructions.  That's why at the end of the transcript I posted he was told of a "possible pilot deviation."  He was then given a phone number of the tower to call and, based upon that discussion, the tower will decide whether to move this incident up the chain to the FSDO for further action.  Unless you want to lower the number of planes in the sky to ONE, this type of incident will always be possible.  But the FAA is not tolerant of pilots who fock up.  And air travel is still the safest form of travel in this country.   Are you also in favor of banning all non-commercial cars in the country because clearly we have too many cars driving around now.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,099]

How can we blame Trump for this?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

18 minutes ago, Strike said:

No, this incident didn't.  ATC gave the pilot of the small plane explicit instructions to hold short of that runway and the pilot IGNORED those instructions.  That's why at the end of the transcript I posted he was told of a "possible pilot deviation."  He was then given a phone number of the tower to call and, based upon that discussion, the tower will decide whether to move this incident up the chain to the FSDO for further action.  Unless you want to lower the number of planes in the sky to ONE, this type of incident will always be possible.  But the FAA is not tolerant of pilots who fock up.  And air travel is still the safest form of travel in this country.   Are you also in favor of banning all non-commercial cars in the country because clearly we have too many cars driving around now.

Yes. I’d like to remove the driving privileges of at least 40 pct of the population. You wouldn’t? 

[Strike 5,538]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes. I’d like to remove the driving privileges of at least 40 pct of the population. You wouldn’t? 

You didn't say percent.  You said "non commercial."  I'm asking if you think we should remove all non commercial vehicles from the road since we clearly have "too many vehicles driving around now." 

And I would absolutely remove the driving privileges of a large percentage of the population, but that's because they drive like sh*t.  As I said to my neighbor the other day when she asked me what I thought about a couple of these recent aviation incidents, if we enforced driving laws the way the FAA enforces laws related to flying, we'd get rid of 99% of accidents on the road.  But it would result in a lot of people losing their drivers license.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

How about owner operated planes get to stay and the swells have to give up their private jets?

[Strike 5,538]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How about owner operated planes get to stay and the swells have to give up their private jets?

I have no idea what a swell is. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

20 minutes ago, Strike said:

I have no idea what a swell is. 

Richies. 

[Strike 5,538]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Richies. 

Like Lionel Richie?  I didn't know he flew a plane.  Has he caused accidents?