49ers Trade Deebo to Commanders

[Mike FF Today 721]

SF gets a 5th-round pick and Washington will pay Deebo's $17 million salary for 2025...

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1895996632078110819

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"More about San Francisco 49ers agreeing to send standout wide receiver Deebo Samuel to the Washington Commanders in exchange for a fifth-round pick, via @john_keim and @nwagoner."

 

[gcmmidwest 149]

Washington looked great last year now with deebo whewwee.... But the way the eagles ran through them they might wanna beef up there defense 

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

It's a great deal for Washington if they can keep him on the field. Otherwise they just flushed 17 million down the drain. 

 

 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Not sure what people watch, but Deebo looks fairly shot.  He had 1 real good year.  He isnt as good as a runner these days.  He drops balls.  He wears goofy clothes.  

Not saying a bad deal for the Skins.  They have money to burn, if he brings anything it is just a 5th and a rental.  I can understand why they would try him out.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Not sure what people watch, but Deebo looks fairly shot

Agree. He's a system WR who benefited from gimmicky plays. His body is broken down. 

[Ray_T 739]

4 hours ago, gcmmidwest said:

Washington looked great last year now with deebo whewwee.... But the way the eagles ran through them they might wanna beef up there defense 

Thats clearly the area that needed improvement.  but this move allows them to focus more on the D at the draft.    an O line guy might be nice too but I dont know that that is as urgent as the D

[Ray_T 739]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

It's a great deal for Washington if they can keep him on the field. Otherwise they just flushed 17 million down the drain. 

 

 

honestly it seems like every other year San Fran is riddled with injuries.  I think its either the field or something in the way they train.

I do know that WR are counted on to block a lot more in this system than they do on other teams.  but I dont think thats it.    The whole team seems to be riddled with injuries and its been happening off and on for a number of years now.     its to a point where I'm convinced there is something in San Fran that is leading to more injuries there.

Another point is that I truly believe that there were too many mouths to feed in that offense.   when fully healthy CMC is the focus and Aiyuk and Kittle were the next 2 big mouths.  not leaving a ton for Deebo.

granted CMC was hurt but it feels like deebo was too.   seems like he misses a couple games each year to injury.

Either way he hasnt been the same player since CMC arrived and I dont think that's by mistake.

I can see a rebound of sorts in Washington.   I dont know that he will be the top dog in that offense, but I can see him having a decent enough season there (assuming good health)

[weepaws 3,152]

Mmm, it’s a very interesting move by the Redskins, I think it was s good move they didn’t give up much at all.  

With their young Qb, Debo could found himself in a good landing spot. 

[Ray_T 739]

3 hours ago, weepaws said:

Mmm, it’s a very interesting move by the Redskins, I think it was s good move they didn’t give up much at all.  

With their young Qb, Debo could found himself in a good landing spot. 

it was a good move for San Fran because they did not have to retain any of his salary.

thats why the price was so cheap.   when I heard he was on the block I assumed there would be some salary retention to get a better draft pick.... but nope.  not the case.  but hes a significant cap hit for Washington.

[weepaws 3,152]

I’m good with the money that they need to pay him, I’m just looking at it has it pertains to ff.  

Be interesting to see how the Redskins use him.  

Skins can use a lot of def help, and a Te, and a starting Rb.   

[makindollaz 51]

16 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

it was a good move for San Fran because they did not have to retain any of his salary.

thats why the price was so cheap.   when I heard he was on the block I assumed there would be some salary retention to get a better draft pick.... but nope.  not the case.  but hes a significant cap hit for Washington.

As a Skins fan, I’m not too worried about the price tag.  We have a ton of space.

The 2025 cap ended up being quite a bit higher than expected.

Only a year left on his deal so even if he has lost something, we’re not locked in for multiple years.

Jonathan Allen makes a similar salary and we’ll likely deal him in the coming days/weeks for picks, so from a cap perspective they’ll cancel each other out.

[DocNiner 67]

23 hours ago, weepaws said:

Mmm, it’s a very interesting move by the Redskins, I think it was s good move they didn’t give up much at all.  

With their young Qb, Debo could found himself in a good landing spot. 

Yeah Deebo did land in a good spot. I think the 49ers let him go a little cheap. Maybe could have at least got a 4th rounder. Still Deebo should work well in the Commanders offense if he can stay healthy and on the field. So since he wanted out of San Fran he just might stay healthy but his style of play can be susceptible to injury as has happened to him in the past. I wish him well though. He gave my Niners some good play when he was on the field and not a whole lot of guys in the NFL  that can play WR & RB with some success.

[LaChup 228]

5th Round pick? This better be for the Boyz In The Hood Deebo, not the 49ers Deebo.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

44 minutes ago, LaChup said:

5th Round pick? This better be for the Boyz In The Hood Deebo, not the 49ers Deebo.

17 Million a year for the WR36? 

He's always been over rated. 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

10 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

17 Million a year for the WR36? 

He's always been over rated. 

Not to mention he will be turning 30.  Hes a mid WR that no longer wants to be used too much in a slash role.  Or better yet not as good at running it (3.2 per carry last year, pretty bad for gadget WR runs)

He has literally had 1 good recieving year in his career.  Aiyuk got hurt, Purdy had a solid year, yet look at Deebo's stats.  

He was called out a couple times by old players last year.  Maybe it was TO.  Thrn he proceeds to go into the next game and totally drop a crucial ball right through his hands.  

While he chokes a kicker for missing a kick on the sideline, as he doesnt perform himself.  He is more worried about his pre game wardrobe.  

He was an interesting player for a few years that could make some plays.  Had 1 outlier receiving year.  And seems to have lost a step.  I agree, he has been overrated a lot even if he was a useful player for a while.  Hes a glorified gadget WR.  

I think people just like his name.  Seems like people think hes still some WR1 but dont watch his games.  

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Even with 1 outlier 1400 yard recieving year.  His career per season averages are...

55 catches, 798 yds, 3.6 tds recieving.   

The myth of Deebo Samuel.  

[listen2me 23 1,825]

San Francisco 49ers star wide receiver Deebo Samuel made public complaints last week about not getting enough touches. Then he went out against the Los Angeles Rams on Thursday night and touched one pass a few times before watching it fall to the ground for one of the worst dropped passes of the season.

The 49ers ended up losing to the Rams, 12-6, to fall to 6-8 on the season. This year has been a brutal one for the defending NFC champs as they've been banged up with serious injuries to key players and have poor performances from guys like Samuel who they've depended on in recent seasons.

49ers great Jerry Rice wasn't impressed with Samuel's dropped pass, especially after he complained about a lack of touches.

"I don't know what is going on, because the weirdest thing is I think he had like three catches for 16 yards ... for me, I would have been pissed," Rice said Monday during an appearance on 95.7 The Game's "The Morning Roast." I would have been pissed at myself, I would have been pissed at the whole scenario, and I would pretty much go to work on the football field, at practice. And if you do it during practice, you're going to be able to do it during the game."

[JagFan 149]

I like the move for Washington.  This adds another complimentary piece to help open up the offense as both a runner or wr.  I don’t expect big numbers from him.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

1 hour ago, JagFan said:

I like the move for Washington.  This adds another complimentary piece to help open up the offense as both a runner or wr.  I don’t expect big numbers from him.

Same mostly.  He could fit better with a running QB with some of the stuff he does.  

I just think hes been wildly overrated for a bit now and seemingly lost a step.   

I dont knock the Skins for kicking the tires and adding bodies for Jayden tho.  They should still draft one semi early.  

[Ray_T 739]

5 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Even with 1 outlier 1400 yard recieving year.  His career per season averages are...

55 catches, 798 yds, 3.6 tds recieving.   

The myth of Deebo Samuel.  

I get it.

part of the problem has been health, but thats been a San Fran problem off and on for a few years.  it is possible that removing him from San Fran may eliminate exposure to whatever it is that seems to be causing the 9'ers to have so many injuries.

but he is in a contract year, so I'd expect him to perform.  if he doesnt perform this year, he will likely not be given an extension.   what drives me nuts is when teams sign a player going into the final year.   they are depriving themselves of that boost that usually comes in a contract year

Either way,   I dont love what he delivered relative to his salary but last year was a bit of a dogs breakfast for the whole team.   Deebo was not the only 49'er to have a bad year.

I think if he can stay healthy he is probably a 1000 yard WR.   but I dont know that he ever touches that high watermark year where he got 1400 yards receiving and like 2-300 yards rushing.   

That is probably a thing of the past.

[Ray_T 739]

On 3/2/2025 at 6:10 PM, weepaws said:

I’m good with the money that they need to pay him, I’m just looking at it has it pertains to ff.  

Be interesting to see how the Redskins use him.  

Skins can use a lot of def help, and a Te, and a starting Rb.   

Skins have 2 starting calibre RB.   I suppose if an elite one falls into their lap they can take him in the draft, but this is not something that is on fire.

The defense is on fire.   They should be addressing this in the draft.   This is their #1 need.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

3 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

I get it.

part of the problem has been health, but thats been a San Fran problem off and on for a few years.  it is possible that removing him from San Fran may eliminate exposure to whatever it is that seems to be causing the 9'ers to have so many injuries.

but he is in a contract year, so I'd expect him to perform.  if he doesnt perform this year, he will likely not be given an extension.   what drives me nuts is when teams sign a player going into the final year.   they are depriving themselves of that boost that usually comes in a contract year

Either way,   I dont love what he delivered relative to his salary but last year was a bit of a dogs breakfast for the whole team.   Deebo was not the only 49'er to have a bad year.

I think if he can stay healthy he is probably a 1000 yard WR.   but I dont know that he ever touches that high watermark year where he got 1400 yards receiving and like 2-300 yards rushing.   

That is probably a thing of the past.

A lot of players treat the 2nd to last year as a contract year since most teams want to resign their good players before they can sniff FA. 

I would say Kittle had a good year.  Id say Jennings had a good year.  Cmac and Aiyuk were hurt so obviously there.  The RBs that filled in mostly did a good job.  

1000 isnt a ton if he plays 17 games so I could see it maybe.  As is at his age, I view Deebo as a low range #2 option on a team.  Ideally he would just be your swiss army knife 3rd option.  

Does he even want to run?  Looking for another contract of some kind will he suddenly not cry that he doesnt want to run the ball much?  

[weepaws 3,152]

8 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

Skins have 2 starting calibre RB.   I suppose if an elite one falls into their lap they can take him in the draft, but this is not something that is on fire.

The defense is on fire.   They should be addressing this in the draft.   This is their #1 need.

Every team has one or two starting Rbs, didn’t see a lot positive production from Ekler or Robinson last season.  

Def is their biggest need, but they need an upgrade at rb , to help their young Qb, and te.   

No one in ff that owned either one of those two Rbs where comfortable starting them.  

[Bier Meister 1,655]

21 hours ago, DocNiner said:

Yeah Deebo did land in a good spot. I think the 49ers let him go a little cheap. Maybe could have at least got a 4th rounder. Still Deebo should work well in the Commanders offense if he can stay healthy and on the field. So since he wanted out of San Fran he just might stay healthy but his style of play can be susceptible to injury as has happened to him in the past. I wish him well though. He gave my Niners some good play when he was on the field and not a whole lot of guys in the NFL  that can play WR & RB with some success.

agree

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

3 hours ago, weepaws said:

Every team has one or two starting Rbs, didn’t see a lot positive production from Ekler or Robinson last season.  

Def is their biggest need, but they need an upgrade at rb , to help their young Qb, and te.   

No one in ff that owned either one of those two Rbs where comfortable starting them.  

Yeah, they'll definitely be drafting a RB somewhere in the draft, probably day 2. They have no choice, both of their RBs ran out of juice at the end. 

[LaChup 228]

On 3/3/2025 at 5:55 PM, Maximum Overkill said:

17 Million a year for the WR36? 

He's always been over rated. 

Deebo Samuel has accumulated the highest number of rushing yards among wide receivers in the last five years.

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

21 minutes ago, LaChup said:

Deebo Samuel has accumulated the highest number of rushing yards among wide receivers in the last five years.

That's great except he's not a RB 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

1 hour ago, LaChup said:

Deebo Samuel has accumulated the highest number of rushing yards among wide receivers in the last five years.

Lol

[Ray_T 739]

5 hours ago, LaChup said:

Deebo Samuel has accumulated the highest number of rushing yards among wide receivers in the last five years.

this may be true, but there is no guarantee that he will continue to be used in this manner. This is a different offense.  ONe of Deebos issues when his last contract was up for negotiation is he didnt want to be used in this way.   so it may be reasonable to expect less use in this manner.   I dont think you ever remove an effective tool out of the toolbox but maybe you use it a little less to keep the wear and tear down and to keep the player happy.

 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

He avg 3.2 yards per carry last year

[Ray_T 739]

21 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

He avg 3.2 yards per carry last year

Id honestly throw all of last years stats out the window.   the whole team in San Fran  performed  poorly and  they had a ton of injuries which likely contributed to this.

but I guess you could look at this as another reason to reduce his usage in this manner, but the reality is.... its a different offense so the way a player gets used there would never be exactly the same as the way hes been used in another offense.   This is why when a player switches teams the floor usually goes lower and the ceiling can sometimes be higher.   as fantasy owners, you rarely know for sure where exactly the player will land within that range.

but I do think given Deebos wishes that he expressed loudly when negotiating his last contract, he didnt want to be used running the ball as much.   so I think there is a decent chance Washington will adhere to his wishes in that regard.

while I wouldnt expect Washington to completely remove the WR runs from their playbook, I would expect them to be more selective about when they will pull a Deebo Run play out of their bag of tricks.

 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

12 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

Id honestly throw all of last years stats out the window.   the whole team in San Fran  performed  poorly and  they had a ton of injuries which likely contributed to this.

but I guess you could look at this as another reason to reduce his usage in this manner, but the reality is.... its a different offense so the way a player gets used there would never be exactly the same as the way hes been used in another offense.   This is why when a player switches teams the floor usually goes lower and the ceiling can sometimes be higher.   as fantasy owners, you rarely know for sure where exactly the player will land within that range.

but I do think given Deebos wishes that he expressed loudly when negotiating his last contract, he didnt want to be used running the ball as much.   so I think there is a decent chance Washington will adhere to his wishes in that regard.

while I wouldnt expect Washington to completely remove the WR runs from their playbook, I would expect them to be more selective about when they will pull a Deebo Run play out of their bag of tricks.

 

How did Kittle and Jennings manage to have good seasons?

No im not throwing out stats.  So every 7 or 8 win team or worse in the nfl you just throw out the stats?  

[listen2me 23 1,825]

We can go back to 2023 plays where they made the SB then.  They played 3 games.  

13 catches 146 yds.  0 tds.  

6 rushes 15 yds 0 tds.  

They were winning playoff games and he was basically just a guy.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

He avg 3.2 yards per carry last year

Kirk Cousins averaged more  

[weepaws 3,152]

He’s not a great player, and like most players in sports , not worth the ridiculous amount on money they are getting paid. 

But the Skins have a serious problem at te and rb, and he can feel in as a player that can be an asset to a young Qb.  

Again I have no problem with his signing.   

I think the Niners might want to try to trade for Metcalf, who wants out    

[DocNiner 67]

1 hour ago, weepaws said:

He’s not a great player, and like most players in sports , not worth the ridiculous amount on money they are getting paid. 

But the Skins have a serious problem at te and rb, and he can feel in as a player that can be an asset to a young Qb.  

Again I have no problem with his signing.   

I think the Niners might want to try to trade for Metcalf, who wants out    

My 49ers could certainly use since trading Deebo and  apparently shopping Aiyuk who may not even be ready by week 1. Curious if Metcalf is a diva because divas can be a locker room problem but no doubt D.K. has talent and he'll help.any team that lands him if indeed they do trade him

[weepaws 3,152]

11 minutes ago, DocNiner said:

My 49ers could certainly use since trading Deebo and  apparently shopping Aiyuk who may not even be ready by week 1. Curious if Metcalf is a diva because divas can be a locker room problem but no doubt D.K. has talent and he'll help.any team that lands him if indeed they do trade him

Agreed.  

[Ray_T 739]

7 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

How did Kittle and Jennings manage to have good seasons?

No im not throwing out stats.  So every 7 or 8 win team or worse in the nfl you just throw out the stats?  

let me ask you a question, do you think San Fran will be another 7 win team next year?   or do you think this is a one off?

I think San fran wins at least 10 next year and most of the players who saw a dip will see a statistical rebound of sorts.    There were a lot of things not working in that offense.  The O line was one of them.  they were not as good in pass pro and the players who played wide (aiyuk and deebo) had the worst results.   your slot receivers and TEs did ok.    what does that tell you?

 

it tells me the QB isnt having enough time to hit the deeper throws.     I dont think this is a team that will let this situation persist into next season.    So yeah I will throw out the stats.   you can sell on all your 49er players if you want.   personally I'm buying on Pearsall as I think hes ready to make a jump with Deebo gone.   Whether he has a 1000 yard season remains to be seen but I'm guessing hes good for at least 750-800.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

12 hours ago, weepaws said:

He’s not a great player, and like most players in sports , not worth the ridiculous amount on money they are getting paid. 

But the Skins have a serious problem at te and rb, and he can feel in as a player that can be an asset to a young Qb.  

Again I have no problem with his signing.   

I think the Niners might want to try to trade for Metcalf, who wants out    

You think there is any chance what so ever Seattle deals DK to a division rival?  

Zero chance.  

[listen2me 23 1,825]

11 hours ago, Ray_T said:

let me ask you a question, do you think San Fran will be another 7 win team next year?   or do you think this is a one off?

I think San fran wins at least 10 next year and most of the players who saw a dip will see a statistical rebound of sorts.    There were a lot of things not working in that offense.  The O line was one of them.  they were not as good in pass pro and the players who played wide (aiyuk and deebo) had the worst results.   your slot receivers and TEs did ok.    what does that tell you?

 

it tells me the QB isnt having enough time to hit the deeper throws.     I dont think this is a team that will let this situation persist into next season.    So yeah I will throw out the stats.   you can sell on all your 49er players if you want.   personally I'm buying on Pearsall as I think hes ready to make a jump with Deebo gone.   Whether he has a 1000 yard season remains to be seen but I'm guessing hes good for at least 750-800.

No idea.  Injuries happen to all teams. Is cmac still at the level he was a couple years ago?  His touches racked up.  They are talking aiyuk could possibly get traded.  Trent Williams is like 45 years old.  Their defense is losing pieces.  I have no clue how they will do.  

Im talking real football.   Not fantasy.  

The whole point I made that started this discussion is Deebo is overrated and has been for a couple years.  So not sure where the idea that I dont want any of the 9ers players on my fantasy team came from?  The discussion here if we are talking fantasy would be where are you taking Deebo this next year on the Skins of you think he was just hampered by the 9ers having a down year.  I mean yea he had a better year 2 years ago nothing special.  Mainly helped by TDs.  But his TD numbers over his career look fairly sporadic.