Pete Hegseth texted war plans to a reporter by accident

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

I roundly condem this error.  It signals sloppiness which is unacceptable at that level.  That fully acknowledged I wonder, could I not have sent the reporter the battle plans.  Let me guess.  Our carrier strike force in the Indian Ocean approached the destroyer screen interdicting Somali pirates and trying to keep shipping running through the Suez.  As we approach our destroyers, cruisers, and missile carriers released missles from several ships miles apart so the incoming missles would have different telemetry, making defense more drfficult.  Immediately as the missles were sent the Aircraft carrier would have launched a defensive screen of a few fighters which would have supplimented the destroyer screen.  They would be responsible for interdicting any retalitory missles.  Next drones, old preaators and reapers would have been launched for recon, confirmation, and additional targeting if needed.  An AWAC from Diego Garcia would have monitorerd the operation as would at least two satelites.  The Carrier Group would have retired within 30 minutes of the first launches.  Then, margarita and boorish behavior time. 

 

My point.  This was not the plan for operration overlord.  This was a punitive strike, a police action, hardly the stuff of hyper sensitivity.  Still, the sloppiness is nearly inexcusable even as the opotential harm was always low on this particular opreration.

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I agree, except the last bit. Trump has personally called reporters himself, but regardless someone needs to be held accountable here.

If only that could be made to be Jasmine Crockett, but alas, she is clear of this.

[SaintsInDome2006 380]

1 hour ago, jonmx said:

Apparently you didn't because you said they were unencrypted.   And they are not hackable by every intelligence service.  Without the encryption key it is extremely difficult to hack even by professionals. Signal's biggest vulnerability is it feature which makes devices shareable.   If they can hack into the phone and share it to their device, they could recieve duplicate messages.   Government phones are locked down and difficult to hack. 

Did you look at the DOD advisory?

[SaintsInDome2006 380]

13 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

If only that could be made to be Jasmine Crockett, but alas, she is clear of this.

Let’s just shake on this: a public official who incites others to violence should be removed & charged. The more sacred the institutions attacked, the more senior the officials attacked, the worse the sentence should be. Agreed?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Tulsi and Ratcliffe testified today that there was no classified info on the text.  Someone is lying, but one side gave their side under oath. Goldbergs turn.  

[Frozenbeernuts 2,115]

Goldberg walking back war plan term already. This is payback. This is the same guy who lied about Trump calling dead soldiers lovers. This guy stepped in a giant trip mine full of dog sht. No way out of everyone this guy was added on accident.

https://x.com/acpandy/status/1904363227040919743?s=19

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Looks like it’s not that big of a fish they caught. Sorry focksticks. Better luck next time. 

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Let’s just shake on this: a public official who incites others to violence should be removed & charged. The more sacred the institutions attacked, the more senior the officials attacked, the worse the sentence should be. Agreed?

I go pretty far with free speech.  I am not convinced what Crockett did or said was actionable in the criminal courts, nor should it be.  If the Congress as a whole, her party, or her voters object they can discipline her.   I find her comments below the bar and beyond the pale of good taste and tending towardfs incitement without reaching that level.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,115]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Looks like it’s not that big of a fish they caught. Sorry focksticks. Better luck next time. 

I think they played Goldberg and it's going to lead to something that's going to make thr libs look bad. Yet again.

I already know some board lib will tell me something about Trump making us look bad, but they believe men can become women and kids should have their genitals cut off.

[HB Localboy 121]

19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Someone is lying

CNN

MSNBC

MSM

FAKE NEWS

LIBTARDS

DOMESTIC TERRORISTS

DEMON RATS

 

That's just off the top of my head. 

[seafoam1 2,802]

1 minute ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I think they played Goldberg and it's going to lead to something that's going to make thr libs look bad. Yet again.

I already know some board lib will tell me something about Trump making us look bad, but they believe men can become women and kids should have their genitals cut off.

I just kind of enjoy the show. 

I take no liberal seriously in any way. 

 

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3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

I just kind of enjoy the show. 

I take no liberal seriously in any way. 

 

You already created a whole thread for this, manchild. No need to spam up the board with more.

[Horseman 2,366]

Zzzzzz

Ready for the next weakling lib hysterics.  This was a big fat nothingburger. 

[seafoam1 2,802]

15 minutes ago, Tebok said:

You already created a whole thread for this, manchild. No need to spam up the board with more.

Go eat some more cat shlt pimpledoosh. 

[seafoam1 2,802]

3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Zzzzzz

Ready for the next weakling lib hysterics.  This was a big fat nothingburger. 

Biden has classified documents sitting out in his garage. No big deal.

Trump has some documents under lock and key. "Whaaaaaaa "

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

I remain immature enough to occassionally laugh at the misfortunes of others.  I laughed.  I rewound and viewed again and had a good smile.  I am likely to revisit this video from time to time when I need a smile.  It is not the politics, its the cumeupance of the presumptuous who are clumsy.

[seafoam1 2,802]

15 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I remain immature enough to occassionally laugh at the misfortunes of others.  I laughed.  I rewound and viewed again and had a good smile.  I am likely to revisit this video from time to time when I need a smile.  It is not the politics, its the cumeupance of the presumptuous who are clumsy.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. 

[jerryskids 6,567]

2 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

I roundly condem this error.  It signals sloppiness which is unacceptable at that level.  That fully acknowledged I wonder, could I not have sent the reporter the battle plans.  Let me guess.  Our carrier strike force in the Indian Ocean approached the destroyer screen interdicting Somali pirates and trying to keep shipping running through the Suez.  As we approach our destroyers, cruisers, and missile carriers released missles from several ships miles apart so the incoming missles would have different telemetry, making defense more drfficult.  Immediately as the missles were sent the Aircraft carrier would have launched a defensive screen of a few fighters which would have supplimented the destroyer screen.  They would be responsible for interdicting any retalitory missles.  Next drones, old preaators and reapers would have been launched for recon, confirmation, and additional targeting if needed.  An AWAC from Diego Garcia would have monitorerd the operation as would at least two satelites.  The Carrier Group would have retired within 30 minutes of the first launches.  Then, margarita and boorish behavior time. 

 

My point.  This was not the plan for operration overlord.  This was a punitive strike, a police action, hardly the stuff of hyper sensitivity.  Still, the sloppiness is nearly inexcusable even as the opotential harm was always low on this particular opreration.

I spent most of my career in engineering and engineering sales, but I had a brief time doing management consulting for employee analysis.  Our most popular tool was something called Predictive Index, a personality assessment (think Myers-Briggs, but better  ).  Several people here took it, as well as another tool we offered which measured mental acuity (similar to the Wonderlic, but better  ).

I mention this because one of the major axes of our analysis was a combination of detail-orientation and risk-aversion.  I tend to measure on the higher end of this, and as such, I would never have made the mistake that Mike Waltz did.  

That being said, people who rise to the top of the management food chain tend to not have the same personality traits -- they are more willing to take risks and worry less about "implementation details."  But I would expect the head of the NSA to have that ability, which I'm suspect that Waltz doesn't have.

 

[SaintsInDome2006 380]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

I go pretty far with free speech.  I am not convinced what Crockett did or said was actionable in the criminal courts, nor should it be.  If the Congress as a whole, her party, or her voters object they can discipline her.   I find her comments below the bar and beyond the pale of good taste and tending towardfs incitement without reaching that level.

It’s not actionable because no was incited because no one has committed violence at her instigation. But regardless I’m talking about the general principle that we agree should apply to all public officials.

[jerryskids 6,567]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It’s not actionable because no was incited because no one has committed violence at her instigation. But regardless I’m talking about the general principle that we agree should apply to all public officials.

Is your position that we can't take action against speech which incites violence until that violence is committed?

If so, that is like saying you can't take action against a person holding a gun to someone's head until they pull the trigger.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Well, at least this one lasted over 24 hours. These things are usually busted out by dinner. 

[seafoam1 2,802]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Is your position that we can't take action against speech which incites violence until that violence is committed?

If so, that is like saying you can't take action against a person holding a gun to someone's head until they pull the trigger.

Speaking of George Floyd.....

[SaintsInDome2006 380]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Is your position that we can't take action against speech which incites violence until that violence is committed?

If so, that is like saying you can't take action against a person holding a gun to someone's head until they pull the trigger.

The comp for that would be a politician speaking in a public square calling on a throng of thousands of loyal followers to storm a nearby public building. That would have imminence & a specific threat of violence. Yes I’d agree that person could at least be arrested.

[avoiding injuries 1,510]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Speaking of George Floyd.....

C’mon. It was a belly. Unless your talking about the baby’s head inside the belly?

[jerryskids 6,567]

4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The comp for that would be a politician speaking in a public square calling on a throng of thousabds of loyal followers to storm a public building. That would have imminence & a specific threat of violence. Yes I’d agree that person could at least be arrested.

So, Crockett specifically calling for the punching of Ted Cruz, arrested or no?

[SaintsInDome2006 380]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So, Crockett specifically calling for the punching of Ted Cruz, arrested or no?

>“How do you win elections in Texas as a Democrat? What do you do? Especially statewide.”<

That was the question proposed to Crockett. No I don’t think any judge or jury would reasonably believe that she was telling foaming followers in her vicinity to walk over to a nearby Ted Cruz & hit him on the head. 

[jerryskids 6,567]

7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Speaking of George Floyd.....

Pfft, Floyd put a gun to a pregnant woman's belly.

Speaking of which, I'm listening to Ben Shapiro's case for Trump to commute the federal conviction of Chauvin.  The official autopsy report alone provided so many examples of alternative causes of death that the guilty verdict was borderline criminal.  And by borderline, I mean criminal.  Fentanyl in system, another type of fentanyl, another type, all at 3X+ levels that would in and of themselves justify drug overdose.  Arteries 90% blocked, meth in system.  No signs of injury that would lead to death.  

Pathetic, but the Leftie animals needed blood.   

[jerryskids 6,567]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

>“How do you win elections in Texas as a Democrat? What do you do? Especially statewide.”<

That was the question proposed to Crockett. No I don’t think any judge or jury would reasonably believe that she was telling foaming followers in her vicinity to walk over to a nearby Ted Cruz & hit him on the head. 

What is "a nearby Ted Cruz?"  I'm sorry, I thought we were having a serious discussion, but I'm inclined to agree with others that you've hit DEFCON 1 with your TDS and lack the ability to be objective.   

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In response to a question about how Democrats can win elections specifically in the red state of Texas, Crockett said, "I think that you punch, I think you punch, I think you OK with punching."

"It’s Ted Cruz," she went on. "I mean, like this dude has to be knocked over the head, like hard, right? Like there is no niceties with him, like at all. Like you go clean off on him."

 

[SaintsInDome2006 380]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

What is "a nearby Ted Cruz?"  I'm sorry, I thought we were having a serious discussion

Earlier in the discussion I pointed out that a threat needs to be imminent & proximate, that is, realistic.  Anyway thanks for the discussion.

[jerryskids 6,567]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Earlier in the discussion I pointed out that a threat needs to be imminent & proximate, that is, realistic.  Anyway thanks for the discussion.

What would be your idea of imminent and proximate?  Apparently not this:

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In response to a question about how Democrats can win elections specifically in the red state of Texas, Crockett said, "I think that you punch, I think you punch, I think you OK with punching."

"It’s Ted Cruz," she went on. "I mean, like this dude has to be knocked over the head, like hard, right? Like there is no niceties with him, like at all. Like you go clean off on him."

 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

55 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

What would be your idea of imminent and proximate?  Apparently not this:

 

She was speaking metaphorically. She means that Democrats have to beat a guy like Cruz by being tough with him. It’s no different from a few years back when Sarah Palin posted a picture of Gabby Giffords on a gun target. After Giffords was shot a lot of people ripped Palin. I defended her because I understood that she wasn’t calling for violence. Neither is Crocket. 
I think Jasmine Crockett is terrific, and she has never called for violence. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

She was speaking metaphorically. She means that Democrats have to beat a guy like Cruz by being tough with him. It’s no different from a few years back when Sarah Palin posted a picture of Gabby Giffords on a gun target. After Giffords was shot a lot of people ripped Palin. I defended her because I understood that she wasn’t calling for violence. Neither is Crocket. 
I think Jasmine Crockett is terrific, and she has never called for violence. 

Remember how you all freaked out when you thought (wrongly) that Trump was making fun of that handicapped reporter? 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Remember how you all freaked out when you thought (wrongly) that Trump was making fun of that handicapped reporter? 

I thought rightly. It was disgusting. Trump is a bad person for that alone. 
 

I think now you’re referring to Crockett calling Governor Abbott “Hot Wheels”. But that has nothing to do with his disability; it’s about Abbott’s sending refugees to other states as a publicity stunt, which cost Texas millions of dollars and was just stupid and mean-spirited. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I thought rightly. It was disgusting. Trump is a bad person for that alone. 
 

I think now you’re referring to Crockett calling Governor Abbott “Hot Wheels”. But that has nothing to do with his disability; it’s about Abbott’s sending refugees to other states as a publicity stunt, which cost Texas millions of dollars and was just stupid and mean-spirited. 

It has nothing to do with him being in a wheelchair? Ok Tim. 

[seafoam1 2,802]

2 hours ago, avoiding injuries said:

C’mon. It was a belly. Unless your talking about the baby’s head inside the belly?

Yeah. I mean, it really is a woman's choice to decide if her kid is an actual human or not. So we need to consult the woman in that case.

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It has nothing to do with him being in a wheelchair? Ok Tim. 

Nope it did not. 

[seafoam1 2,802]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Pfft, Floyd put a gun to a pregnant woman's belly.

Speaking of which, I'm listening to Ben Shapiro's case for Trump to commute the federal conviction of Chauvin.  The official autopsy report alone provided so many examples of alternative causes of death that the guilty verdict was borderline criminal.  And by borderline, I mean criminal.  Fentanyl in system, another type of fentanyl, another type, all at 3X+ levels that would in and of themselves justify drug overdose.  Arteries 90% blocked, meth in system.  No signs of injury that would lead to death.  

Pathetic, but the Leftie animals needed blood.   

It's as if he alarmed the guy by saying "Halt", and the guy had a heart attack. Liberals: "Guilty of murder!!!" 

[seafoam1 2,802]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Nope it did not. 

You are really stupid. 

[The Real timschochet 6,421]

Even Trump isn’t stupid enough to commute Chauvin. What a terrible injustice that would be. 

[SaintsInDome2006 380]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

In response to a question

Read the question, I posted it above.