Pete Hegseth texted war plans to a reporter by accident

[squistion 2,070]

19 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

It was a mistake, but things went as planned.

Also had this had happened under Biden, Goldberg would have never released the texts.  It would have been squashed.

Moot point as it never would have happened under Biden.

[SaintsInDome2006 440]

27 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Also had this had happened under Biden, Goldberg would have never released the texts.  It would have been squashed.

This actually highlights how bizarre all this is. Maga advertises itself as hating MSM, normal policy, journalism. And yet here is the head of the Trump CIA plugging a journalist into his chat. How odd. This would be like FBID Wray just whoops bcc’ing Tucker Carlson or some Rumble podcaster into a sensitive email chain. There is *no way a Wray would have such a person in his contacts but golly it sure looks like Waltz is in contact with Goldberg & apparently Trump (who also contacts the loathed MSM) is fine with it too.

[Mike Honcho 5,240]

14 hours ago, MDC said:

The WH says it wasn’t classified and he redacted it anyway. 

Checkmate. 

My take on the statements that it's not classified is the administration players are word parsing. If you listen to what they are saying they are all speaking in the present tense.  Just my opinion, but it was classified info(the text chain states when the SNEAK ATTACK will occur), it's passed(the attack happened) and has been declassified.  I would like to hear a reporter ask straight up, was this info classified when these text messages were occurring. 

[Fnord 2,143]

4 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

My take on the statements that it's not classified is the administration players are word parsing. If you listen to what they are saying they are all speaking in the present tense.  Just my opinion, but it was classified info, it's passed(the attack happened) and has been declassified.  I would like to hear a reporter ask straight up, was this info classified when these text messages were occurring. 

It wouldn't matter. These charlatans will just lie, deflect, parse words semantically, and downplay. MAGA never seems to question their leaders, and RW media just keeps ginning up fear and anger without holding anyone with an 'R' behind their names to account. Liberal tears and revenge is the primary goal of the admin and they're ok with it. They are also ok with Trump ruling by fiat and completely sidelining congress. But they definitely aren't authoritarians. Nosirreebob, no authoritarian tendencies here!

[Sean Mooney 1,957]

7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This actually highlights how bizarre all this is. Maga advertises itself as hating MSM, normal policy, journalism. And yet here is the head of the Trump CIA plugging a journalist into his chat. How odd. This would be like FBID Wray just whoops bcc’ing Tucker Carlson or some Rumble podcaster into a sensitive email chain. There is *no way a Wray would have such a person in his contacts but golly it sure looks like Waltz is in contact with Goldberg & apparently Trump (who also contacts the loathed MSM) is fine with it too.

The dirty secret none of the MAGA mooks here want to admit it that...Trump and his team know how valuable it is to have the media as a boogeyman. But in order to have them as a boogeyman you need to be in contact with them so you can control the flood of information. A lot of Trump's success is owed to the idea that he has made people believe the media is this huge calculated organization out to get him at every turn- be it CNN, the New York Times, the Atlantic, or Jimmy Kimmel. And the media obliges by running every story they can and downplaying Trump at times and at other times white washing some of his nonsense. They have a very symbiotic relationship

[Mike Honcho 5,240]

10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

He didn’t. The Taliban, aided by Trump, killed 13 Marines. Joe was sadly unable to stop it. 

Very true. Also sadly, is that I've thrown in the towel trying to fight this lie.  

[seafoam1 2,875]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

The dirty secret none of the MAGA mooks here want to admit it that...Trump and his team know how valuable it is to have the media as a boogeyman. But in order to have them as a boogeyman you need to be in contact with them so you can control the flood of information. A lot of Trump's success is owed to the idea that he has made people believe the media is this huge calculated organization out to get him at every turn- be it CNN, the New York Times, the Atlantic, or Jimmy Kimmel. And the media obliges by running every story they can and downplaying Trump at times and at other times white washing some of his nonsense. They have a very symbiotic relationship

What a rube. 

[Mike Hunt 269]

53 minutes ago, squistion said:

Moot point as it never would have happened under Biden.

We never would have known if it was moot or not because it would have never got out. 

Goldberg never would have released it, nor would I want him to, and for National Security reasons he should not have released it.

And yes..it was a mistake.

[RLLD 4,180]

15 hours ago, thegeneral said:

He did exactly what I would expect and want a reporter to do.

These dudes focked up, and are now making it worse. 

I get that, and that is part of the problem that has resulted in the ongoing loss of credibility and trust with the media.  You do you.  But as long as we accept activist journalism we only lose

[RLLD 4,180]

15 hours ago, MDC said:

Let me know when someone loses a job, or when JD, Hegseth, Tulsi etc. explain wtf they were doing discussing a military operation on Signal in the first place. 

Not my job.  Do your own research.

[squistion 2,070]

6 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

We never would have known if it was moot or not because it would have never got out. 

Goldberg never would have released it, nor would I want him to, and for National Security reasons he should not have released it.

And yes..it was a mistake.

If you think any reporter worth their salt would sit on a story like this that may turn out to be the "scoop" of the century because of political considerations, then I got a bridge I want to sell you.

[RLLD 4,180]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

He could have stayed in the chat beyond the point he did. He removed himself. When you remove yourself it notifies whoever set the group up that said person has left the chat. So Waltz saw that Goldberg had left the discussion which should've triggered to him "Why was he here in the first place? I better check this out." He could've called him and asked the question and didn't. Goldberg had a story dumped in his lap and as a reporter- one I may add who clearly outlined in the original article the entire thought process of his thinking this was some elaborate set up or something- he has a duty to follow up on it. The reporter in this case did nothing wrong.

That is the strong point here. RLLD is loathe to call Republicans out for anything. He is cautious to do it here despite the fact that this blunder is all in their court.

But we saw the general process of this from all the traditional MAGA mooks on the board.

Garbage whataboutism scenarios....Reporter's fault....Goldberg is lying.....Waltz didn't do it, a staffer did....there were no war plans....it was all declassified......just an endless circle of bullshit lies when we know if the Biden admin had pulled this it would be apoplectic here calling for everyone's head. 

 

It is notable that you attempt to project your behavior on to me. I only wish the energy associated with this event were evident around Afghanistan, but that is a Democrat president. I am fine with the accountability, in fact it is rather nice to have some sense that media will now do its job, if only to server the political masters of the Democrat party.  Right now we are more safe from corrupt power than in years....because it serves the partisan activism of the media to finally work for us. 

I win because power is absolutely going to be held to account, you win because your ideological opponents get mud slung at them.  So lets just enjoy the wins.

[MDC 7,231]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Not my job.  Do your own research.

Okay will do.

Edit: Just checked nothing happened.  

[RLLD 4,180]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

Okay will do.

Edit: Just checked nothing happened.  

Nor would I expect it to, maybe they care copying the Biden admin  

[Sean Mooney 1,957]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

It is notable that you attempt to project your behavior on to me. I only wish the energy associated with this event were evident around Afghanistan, but that is a Democrat president. I am fine with the accountability, in fact it is rather nice to have some sense that media will now do its job, if only to server the political masters of the Democrat party.  Right now we are more safe from corrupt power than in years....because it serves the partisan activism of the media to finally work for us. 

I win because power is absolutely going to be held to account, you win because your ideological opponents get mud slung at them.  So lets just enjoy the wins.

Here's the difference between you and I:

I will readily say the Afghanistan thing was poorly done and executed and it effectively was a swing point in the Biden presidency. 

See- that's called fair criticism of something that deserves it. i didn't have to write long posts trying to defend it...or blame someone else....or talk about your "ideological opponents."

Now you try it. 

[RLLD 4,180]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Here's the difference between you and I:

I will readily say the Afghanistan thing was poorly done and executed and it effectively was a swing point in the Biden presidency. 

See- that's called fair criticism of something that deserves it. i didn't have to write long posts trying to defend it...or blame someone else....or talk about your "ideological opponents."

Now you try it. 

Now see, here is the difference. I called out both situations using the same approach, I did not demand firings but instead accountability.  YOUR version of accountability may differ from mine, and "I" will not insist you hold my expectations.....unlike you are doing right now.....

More importantly, "I" will not base my ethics and morality on a corrupt political movement, such as you do.  It is weak people like you that create the most harm, because YOUR morality will ebb adnd flow based on politics.  That is the big difference between us, I strive to stay intellectually honest, you are just a common sycophant to the powerful

[thegeneral 3,074]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I get that, and that is part of the problem that has resulted in the ongoing loss of credibility and trust with the media.  You do you.  But as long as we accept activist journalism we only lose

This isn’t activist journalism. This is how it should work. The guy was added to this chat, had no clue what was going on. They began talking about bombing people like little kids he then removed himself and made it public. They then begin lying their asses off and he shows the goods.

[RLLD 4,180]

Just now, thegeneral said:

This isn’t activist journalism. This is how it should work. The guy was added to this chat, had no clue what was going on. They began talking about bombing people like little kids he then removed himself and made it public. They then begin lying their asses off and he shows the goods.

This is an activist journalist, who should have done better.  I am fine with him reporting on this, but ask yourself....after the last four years of the media actively protecting Biden...do you honestly believe this guy would have handled the same situation the same way?  C'mon, be honest....

[Mike Hunt 269]

14 minutes ago, squistion said:

If you think any reporter worth their salt would sit on a story like this that may turn out to be the "scoop" of the century because of political considerations, then I got a bridge I want to sell you.

They sat on Bidens dementia for 2 years. So where is that bridge?? 

[Sean Mooney 1,957]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Now see, here is the difference. I called out both situations using the same approach, I did not demand firings but instead accountability.  YOUR version of accountability may differ from mine, and "I" will not insist you hold my expectations.....unlike you are doing right now.....

More importantly, "I" will not base my ethics and morality on a corrupt political movement, such as you do.  It is weak people like you that create the most harm, because YOUR morality will ebb adnd flow based on politics.  That is the big difference between us, I strive to stay intellectually honest, you are just a common sycophant to the powerful

You called for accountability from the left on the Afghanistan thing I'd suppose. You called for accountability from the reporter on the text chat thing and seem to lay more blame at his feet.

 

 

[MDC 7,231]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Nor would I expect it to, maybe they care copying the Biden admin  

In that case, I guess you can stop talking about how nice it is to have an admin with accountability.  

[squistion 2,070]

1 minute ago, Mike Hunt said:

They sat on Bidens dementia for 2 years. So where is that bridge?? 

No they didn't. I saw his last State Of The Union Address.

[RLLD 4,180]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

You called for accountability from the left on the Afghanistan thing I'd suppose. You called for accountability from the reporter on the text chat thing and seem to lay more blame at his feet.

 

 

I did not.  When the conversation arose I participated only because they were calling out Biden for the problem, and I objected to Biden being the one accountable. My position remains that you point at Biden is inane, instead you need to point to the leaders in charge of the operation itself.....did they follow the plan? If that did follow the plan, was it a bad plan? Who created it.  Rather than go after Milley or some other senior official....just to be a focking d!ck.....we should instead look to those who planned and executed and address it where it matters.

So, who the the mistake, and what was the outcome? Did people die? No....so then its just about being a d!ck....nothing more...

[RLLD 4,180]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

In that case, I guess you can stop talking about how nice it is to have an admin with accountability.  

Why would I do such a thing? That makes no sense.   In Biden, well with any Democrat and almost every politician, you have people who refuse to admit anything and instead lie and redirect.....for the first time in memory in this instance we have someone admitting fault....and then the President saying it was a mistake....

It is a refreshing change.

[Sean Mooney 1,957]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I did not.  When the conversation arose I participated only because they were calling out Biden for the problem, and I objected to Biden being the one accountable. My position remains that you point at Biden is inane, instead you need to point to the leaders in charge of the operation itself.....did they follow the plan? If that did follow the plan, was it a bad plan? Who created it.  Rather than go after Milley or some other senior official....just to be a focking d!ck.....we should instead look to those who planned and executed and address it where it matters.

So, who the the mistake, and what was the outcome? Did people die? No....so then its just about being a d!ck....nothing more...

So who gets the blame for the text chain then? I saw you laying a lot of it at the reporter's feet today. 

[Sean Mooney 1,957]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Why would I do such a thing? That makes no sense.   In Biden, well with any Democrat and almost every politician, you have people who refuse to admit anything and instead lie and redirect.....for the first time in memory in this instance we have someone admitting fault....and then the President saying it was a mistake....

It is a refreshing change.

But you've said it isn't about the President. No one really pointed at Trump other than to say "These are your clowns and circus." Blame was pointed at Waltz and Hegseth. Waltz and Hegseth pushed blame and denied everything. Then people testified to Congress there were no war plans and that was shown to be untrue. Hegseth literally walked away from reporters last night when he was getting pushed on this.

 

[seafoam1 2,875]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

So who gets the blame for the text chain then? I saw you laying a lot of it at the reporter's feet today. 

Mooney is all caught up in the liberal hysteria rather than facing the fact that the mission was successful and no one leaked any classified information. 

 

[RLLD 4,180]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So who gets the blame for the text chain then? I saw you laying a lot of it at the reporter's feet today. 

Mike Waltz accepted accountability.

Now I could object to Trump not doing something to him, but then I would be a hypocrite since I did not insist that Biden bench anyone. Especially since this mistake resulted in no American deaths.....

If I decide to call out a reporters behavior it would be perfectly in line with my ongoing issue with "journalism" not anything new. Lets not pretend I have not had this concern for some time, ok?

[RLLD 4,180]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

But you've said it isn't about the President. No one really pointed at Trump other than to say "These are your clowns and circus." Blame was pointed at Waltz and Hegseth. Waltz and Hegseth pushed blame and denied everything. Then people testified to Congress there were no war plans and that was shown to be untrue. Hegseth literally walked away from reporters last night when he was getting pushed on this.

 

How can it not be about the President? I mean you all seem intent that he should fire someone, how can I exclude the person from the conversation who you insist must act?

[MDC 7,231]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

But you've said it isn't about the President. No one really pointed at Trump other than to say "These are your clowns and circus." Blame was pointed at Waltz and Hegseth. Waltz and Hegseth pushed blame and denied everything. Then people testified to Congress there were no war plans and that was shown to be untrue. Hegseth literally walked away from reporters last night when he was getting pushed on this.

 

Ray just says stuff.

[Sean Mooney 1,957]

Just now, RLLD said:

Mike Waltz accepted accountability.

Now I could object to Trump not doing something to him, but then I would be a hypocrite since I did not insist that Biden bench anyone. Especially since this mistake resulted in no American deaths.....

If I decide to call out a reporters behavior it would be perfectly in line with my ongoing issue with "journalism" not anything new. Lets not pretend I have not had this concern for some time, ok?

Let's also not pretend like the journalist is the problem here, ok.

Also, Waltz's "accepting accountability" came with provisions...let's not pretend he said "This is on me, full stop"

[Sean Mooney 1,957]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

How can it not be about the President? I mean you all seem intent that he should fire someone, how can I exclude the person from the conversation who you insist must act?

I'm just going by the rules you set. 

[Sean Mooney 1,957]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Ray just says stuff.

Oh I know...it's just fun to watch him try to wiggle off the hook.

Plus now that we know he is just parroting FOX news pundits it makes it more amusing to see which one got through to him. It was Gutfield yesterday.....could be Judge Pirro today? Could be Kennedy? Could be the former wrestler Tyrus......who knows. 

[RLLD 4,180]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Let's also not pretend like the journalist is the problem here, ok.

Also, Waltz's "accepting accountability" came with provisions...let's not pretend he said "This is on me, full stop"

Journalism IS a problem, hence their ongoing loss of viewership due to the lack of credibility.

Now, I see you are attempting to conflate my concerns with journalism and this mistake.....which is not a great idea as the two are mutually exclusive. I can call out the mistake made, as well as the journalistic mistake at the same time.

I do not care about provisions, the fact that someone...anyone...in power actually admitted to a mistake is such a leap forward, I will take it...

[RLLD 4,180]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'm just going by the rules you set. 

I set no rules, ever.

[thegeneral 3,074]

29 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This is an activist journalist, who should have done better.  I am fine with him reporting on this, but ask yourself....after the last four years of the media actively protecting Biden...do you honestly believe this guy would have handled the same situation the same way?  C'mon, be honest....

Who knows, why concern yourself with this? 

If any journalist were added to a texting chat where this occurs they should report on it. When the people start lying about it you out them. 

[RLLD 4,180]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Who knows, why concern yourself with this? 

If any journalist were added to a texting chat where this occurs they should report on it. When the people start lying about it you out them. 

I concern myself with this because journalism is supposed to protect us from power.  it is not supposed to collaborate with power.   Without the enthusastic efforts of journalism to out political corruption we get fake russian collusion.....no inflation anywhere......biden is mentally fine....

Without propr journalism "WE".....all focking pay in the end.  We need them to get back to doing their job regardless of how they feel about politics. 

[thegeneral 3,074]

4 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I concern myself with this because journalism is supposed to protect us from power.  it is not supposed to collaborate with power.   Without the enthusastic efforts of journalism to out political corruption we get fake russian collusion.....no inflation anywhere......biden is mentally fine....

Without propr journalism "WE".....all focking pay in the end.  We need them to get back to doing their job regardless of how they feel about politics. 

That is what happened here. The rest of this comes across as poor deflection and whataboutism. Accept that this journalist did nothing wrong, reported on these bozos, busted them when they stupidly began parsing words.

They should review how they communicate and follow better protocols.

[Sean Mooney 1,957]

21 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Journalism IS a problem, hence their ongoing loss of viewership due to the lack of credibility.

Now, I see you are attempting to conflate my concerns with journalism and this mistake.....which is not a great idea as the two are mutually exclusive. I can call out the mistake made, as well as the journalistic mistake at the same time.

I do not care about provisions, the fact that someone...anyone...in power actually admitted to a mistake is such a leap forward, I will take it...

Journalism's ongoing loss of viewership/readership has more to do with how people consume news anymore as much as anything else.

There was no mistake here from the journalist. He did his job.

Of course you don't care about the provisions. Waltz delivered a plethora of excuses in admitting wrong doing but let's handwave them away. 

[RLLD 4,180]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

That is what happened here. The rest of this comes across as poor deflection and whataboutism. Accept that this journalist did nothing wrong, reported on these bozos, busted them when they stupidly began parsing words.

They should review how they communicate and follow better protocols.

You should not presume this disparity only helps you.

Consider.....what if the media had not lied about Bidens mental state?  What if instead of serving Democrat leadership propaganda they instead reported honestly?

What may have happened if Harris has a year....or two.....instead of weeks....to make her run for President?

Consider that it might feel good right now, but everything has a consequence.....