Kilmar Abrego Garcia & Trump El Salvador deportations thread.

[RLLD 4,206]

41 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Criminal?  What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Well, see, here again we go....he is being tried and based on the evidence...I think he is likely guilty....now, if YOU dont think he is, that is fine....but then you also disagree with the evidence....and then by extension the prosecution.

Your stance, that I should agree with the prosecution, while thinking he is not guilty  makes no sense.  If I think he is innocent even after reading about the evidence means that I would (A) be a focking moron.... and (B) a hypocrit.

So, this entire line makes no sense. I mean, what the fock is wrong with you?

 

[squistion 2,157]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Well, see, here again we go....he is being tried and based on the evidence...I think he is likely guilty....now, if YOU dont think he is, that is fine....but then you also disagree with the evidence....and then by extension the prosecution.

Your stance, that I should agree with the prosecution, while thinking he is not guilty  makes no sense.  If I think he is innocent even after reading about the evidence means that I would (A) be a focking moron.... and (B) a hypocrit.

So, this entire line makes no sense. I mean, what the fock is wrong with you?

Which we haven't seen yet, only the allegations by the prosecution. 

[MDC 7,317]

52 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Criminal?  What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Democrats are guilty before the investigation. Sometimes even after multiple investigations don’t uncover proof of wrongdoing.  

[BrahmaBulls 701]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Criminal?  What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Like when you guys went after Kavanaugh?

[TimHauck 2,770]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

Well, see, here again we go....he is being tried and based on the evidence...I think he is likely guilty....now, if YOU dont think he is, that is fine....but then you also disagree with the evidence....and then by extension the prosecution.

Your stance, that I should agree with the prosecution, while thinking he is not guilty  makes no sense.  If I think he is innocent even after reading about the evidence means that I would (A) be a focking moron.... and (B) a hypocrit.

So, this entire line makes no sense. I mean, what the fock is wrong with you?

 

You think he is, or he definitely is?  Because your earlier statement was pretty absolute

[RLLD 4,206]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

Which we haven't seen yet, only the allegations by the prosecution. 

I accept that you may not have seen it.  Liberal outlets are avoiding showing it, you can really only see it on Fox or Newsmax, others.   They have shown plenty.  

Now, what "I" think about his guilt is ultimately irrelevant.  I have seen enough to understand that beyond being an illegal, he is much more and worse.  What matters is what a jury thinks of course. 

[RLLD 4,206]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

You think he is, or he definitely is?  Because your earlier statement was pretty absolute

I think he is based on the reported evidence, but it really does not matter what I think. It only matters what the jury thinks. So we wait.  Some of us likely see him as still being innocent, and others as being guilty.  Had I not had access to the evidence against him, I am still not sure I would see him as "innocent" since he still broke our laws by entering this nation illegally. 

[squistion 2,157]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I accept that you may not have seen it.  Liberal outlets are avoiding showing it, you can really only see it on Fox or Newsmax, others.   They have shown plenty.  

Now, what "I" think about his guilt is ultimately irrelevant.  I have seen enough to understand that beyond being an illegal, he is much more and worse.  What matters is what a jury thinks of course. 

I haven't seen it because there has been no evidence that has been officially released. We won't see that until the hearing/trial. All we have seen are the unproven allegations of the prosecution. If you want to accept that as evidence, go ahead, but I won't. 

[TimHauck 2,770]

36 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think he is based on the reported evidence, but it really does not matter what I think. It only matters what the jury thinks. So we wait.  Some of us likely see him as still being innocent, and others as being guilty.  Had I not had access to the evidence against him, I am still not sure I would see him as "innocent" since he still broke our laws by entering this nation illegally. 

Thanks for acknowledging that you shouldn’t have definitively called him a criminal 

[seafoam1 2,953]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Thanks for acknowledging that you shouldn’t have definitively called him a criminal 

Illegals are criminals. All of them. 

[RLLD 4,206]

3 hours ago, squistion said:

I haven't seen it because there has been no evidence that has been officially released. We won't see that until the hearing/trial. All we have seen are the unproven allegations of the prosecution. If you want to accept that as evidence, go ahead, but I won't. 

There has been evidence released, it has been shown on TV, but again, I get it that you likely only consume from outlets who are inclined to hide it. 

[RLLD 4,206]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Thanks for acknowledging that I should have definitively called him a criminal 

Fixed

[Strike 5,466]

Well the judge granted this criminal his wish - she's letting him stay in jail so the government doesn't deport him.  

[TimHauck 2,770]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Fixed

You might want to look up the definition of “think”

[squistion 2,157]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

There has been evidence released, it has been shown on TV, but again, I get it that you likely only consume from outlets who are inclined to hide it. 

That is just unproven allegations made by the prosecution, it has not been presented in court, so it is not officially evidence.

[RLLD 4,206]

42 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You might want to look up the definition of “think”

Nah, its all good.  There are people like you, and fortunately there are still people like me, who will stand up to evil. 

[RLLD 4,206]

25 minutes ago, squistion said:

That is just unproven allegations made by the prosecution, it has not been presented in court, so it is not officially evidence.

Well, yeah, evidence was provided, in enough content that we will have a trial...thats how the system works...not sure what you are thinking happens. 

[Mark Davis 394]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Well the judge granted this criminal his wish - she's letting him stay in jail so the government doesn't deport him.  

The amount of money we are wasting on this one guy is incredible.  Which of course is ultimately the goal.  The goal is to make the time and money to one by one go through everyone that crossed illegally during Biden's term essentially infinite.

[TimHauck 2,770]

13 hours ago, RLLD said:

Nah, it’s all good.  There are people like you, and fortunately there are still people like me, who will stand up to evil. 

I agree, standing up to evil (Stephen Miller) is why Abrego Garcia is back on US soil.  That guy wanted to let him rot in prison despite not being charged with any crime other than being in the country illegally.

[TimHauck 2,770]

13 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

The amount of money we are wasting on this one guy is incredible.  Which of course is ultimately the goal.  The goal is to make the time and money to one by one go through everyone that crossed illegally during Biden's term essentially infinite.

“We” of course is primarily the fault of the Trump admin.  They could have easily just deported him to a third country.  But Stephen Miller was mad he got showed up and put in his place by the Supreme Court so now they want to make an example out of this guy 

[RLLD 4,206]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I agree, standing up to evil (Stephen Miller) is why Abrego Garcia is back on US soil.  That guy wanted to let him rot in prison despite not being charged with any crime other than being in the country illegally.

Yeah, your villain is my hero, and my villain is your hero    Put  simply.   You think supporting that POS feeds some moral stance, when in reality you are just setting up people to be criminalized.  Not yourself necessarily....oh no...but fock the rest of the people right?   Lets get some foreign criminals in here, let them loose on the good people so morons like yourself can hold some faux sense of moral superiority.

You are filth

[jerryskids 6,746]

7 hours ago, RLLD said:

Yeah, your villain is my hero, and my villain is your hero    Put  simply.   You think supporting that POS feeds some moral stance, when in reality you are just setting up people to be criminalized.  Not yourself necessarily....oh no...but fock the rest of the people right?   Lets get some foreign criminals in here, let them loose on the good people so morons like yourself can hold some faux sense of moral superiority.

You are filth

Tim isn't filth.  He's perhaps misguided often, or more accurately, he formulates a Leftist opinion (despite being a moderate) and weaves a story to support that position.  His belief in Hamas Harry that Israel is systemically killing civilians trying to get aid is an example.

But I agree with the opposition to sending him to an El Sal prison.  We shouldn't send anyone to such a place (say, Gitmo) without strong evidence that that person is a threat to our nation.  Garcia is just a POS who beats his wife (allegedly, according to his wife multiple times) and traffics illegals (allegedly again).  Either prosecute him or undo his stay of deportation; such stay seems unnecessary at this point.

[squistion 2,157]

7 hours ago, RLLD said:

You are filth

Because he wants Due Process under the Constitution followed?

JFC SMH

[seafoam1 2,953]

15 minutes ago, squistion said:

Because he wants Due Process under the Constitution followed?

JFC SMH

Poor squid. He's so hurting...

[Strike 5,466]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Tim isn't filth.  He's perhaps misguided often, or more accurately, he formulates a Leftist opinion (despite being a moderate) and weaves a story to support that position.  His belief in Hamas Harry that Israel is systemically killing civilians trying to get aid is an example.

But I agree with the opposition to sending him to an El Sal prison.  We shouldn't send anyone to such a place (say, Gitmo) without strong evidence that that person is a threat to our nation.  Garcia is just a POS who beats his wife (allegedly, according to his wife multiple times) and traffics illegals (allegedly again).  Either prosecute him or undo his stay of deportation; such stay seems unnecessary at this point.

He doesn't have a stay of deportation.  He simply has an order that says he can't be deported to his home country.  Fortunately there are hundreds of countries in the world and some of them are willing to accept him. 

[jerryskids 6,746]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

He doesn't have a stay of deportation.  He simply has an order that says he can't be deported to his home country.  Fortunately there are hundreds of countries in the world and some of them are willing to accept him. 

I guess I needed to say it, but he has a stay of deportation to El Sal.

I don't particularly agree with sending somebody from El Sal to, I dunno, Somalia?  IMO we should deport people to their country of origin, but not prison in that country.

It should be easy to find a non whackadoodle-progressive judge who recognizes that he's too old to be forced into a gang, and his mom and family have left the country (which was the alleged leverage the gang had), so there is no reason not to deport him back home.

[TimHauck 2,770]

11 hours ago, RLLD said:

Yeah, your villain is my hero, and my villain is your hero    Put  simply.   You think supporting that POS feeds some moral stance, when in reality you are just setting up people to be criminalized.  Not yourself necessarily....oh no...but fock the rest of the people right?   Lets get some foreign criminals in here, let them loose on the good people so morons like yourself can hold some faux sense of moral superiority.

You are filth

Abrego Garcia is not a hero.  I am not supporting him, I am supporting the rightful processes of these here United States.  One of those being the presumption of innocence.  You’ve acknowledged you don’t believe in that.  You are no Patriot.

[Strike 5,466]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I guess I needed to say it, but he has a stay of deportation to El Sal.

I don't particularly agree with sending somebody from El Sal to, I dunno, Somalia?  IMO we should deport people to their country of origin, but not prison in that country.

It should be easy to find a non whackadoodle-progressive judge who recognizes that he's too old to be forced into a gang, and his mom and family have left the country (which was the alleged leverage the gang had), so there is no reason not to deport him back home.

As a general rule of thumb I agree with you.  And it would be nice if country's would take their POS's back, but sometimes they don't.  And in those cases I'm OK sending them to some other random country.  It gets them out of our country and that's my #1 priority.  

[squistion 2,157]

45 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Abrego Garcia is not a hero.  I am not supporting him, I am supporting the rightful processes of these here United States.  One of those being the presumption of innocence.  You’ve acknowledged you don’t believe in that.  You are no Patriot.

Agreed, We have never said he is a hero. We have repeatedlly stated this is not about Garcia, the person, it is the constitutional right of due process that ICE and that the Trump administration were trying to deny him of.

[Ron_Artest 1,367]

6 hours ago, squistion said:

Agreed, We have never said he is a hero. We have repeatedlly stated this is not about Garcia, the person, it is the constitutional right of due process that ICE and that the Trump administration were trying to deny him of.

If we normalize illegally deporting anyone then we're all in trouble.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,299]

Tim voted for Trump 3x. Why is anyone taking him serious after he claims that? 

[RLLD 4,206]

15 hours ago, squistion said:

Because he wants Due Process under the Constitution followed?

JFC SMH

That is just the facade put on it, a regurgitation of the political scheming from his ideological masters.  Its not a real concerrn.

[RLLD 4,206]

11 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Abrego Garcia is not a hero.  I am not supporting him, I am supporting the rightful processes of these here United States.  One of those being the presumption of innocence.  You’ve acknowledged you don’t believe in that.  You are no Patriot.

His prior court designation for deportation due to him being seen as a criminal on October 10, 2019 is all we need to know..... anything past that is pure political theatre,  conducted by the corrupt to manipulate the weak minded.

[squistion 2,157]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

His prior court designation for deportation due to him being seen as a criminal on October 10, 2019 is all we need to know..... anything past that is pure political theatre,  conducted by the corrupt to manipulate the weak minded.

A criminal only for being in the country as an undocumented alien, you mean. 

[RLLD 4,206]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

A criminal only for being in the country as an undocumented alien, you mean. 

Its all I need to support his deportation, that he later admitted to being in a criminal gang....or that he was a wife beater....or a human trafficker is just sprinkles on top.

[TimHauck 2,770]

16 minutes ago, RLLD said:

His prior court designation for deportation due to him being seen as a criminal on October 10, 2019 is all we need to know..... anything past that is pure political theatre,  conducted by the corrupt to manipulate the weak minded.

Thank you for confirming that the human smuggling (not trafficking) charges are political theater 

[TimHauck 2,770]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

that he later admitted to being in a criminal gang....

No he didn’t dumbazz

[squistion 2,157]

5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Its all I need to support his deportation, that he later admitted to being in a criminal gang....or that he was a wife beater....or a human trafficker is just sprinkles on top.

No, he has denied ever being a member of any gang.

He was never charged with domestic abuse and his wife didn't think her complaint was worth pursuing.

And the human trafficking charge is absurd (he drove people to work as an uber driver is not human trafficking )

[RLLD 4,206]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Thank you for confirming that the human smuggling (not trafficking) charges are political theater 

So they are true.....but you consider them "theatre"....interesting, is there anything about his criminal activity that you do not consider <ahem>...."theatre"?   Would it help if say,,,,oh I dont know....these accusations were made against....uhmmmm.....Ron Desantis?  Would THAT may these activities suddenly......worthy of scorn?

[RLLD 4,206]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No he didn’t dumbazz

You stupid fock.....  his focking attorneys admitted he was and was under threat from the other gang......c'mon man, you need to read....

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Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say he was granted the status based on his "well-founded" fear of persecution by Barrio-18, the main rival gang of MS-13.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1k4072e3nno