Kilmar Abrego Garcia & Trump El Salvador deportations thread.

[TimHauck 2,754]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Not the point I responded to so predictably you're moving the goalposts. 

Huh?  It’s directly related.  Your point was “they only said they’d deport him because the court said they’d put him on the street during the trial!” By saying that, are you not implying that they shouldn’t put him on the street?  

[Strike 5,460]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

His desperation for a "gotcha" moment is so overwhelming he's forced to move those posts and create strawmen.  It's absurd.  I don't remember him being this bad previously, but the last few weeks I've noticed a massive change in his posts.

He's been this bad for a long time for SOME OF US.  If you've made him look foolish, especially more than once, he follows you around and tries to play GOTCHA in every thread he thinks he has even the slightest chance of showing a gotcha moment.  He's been following me around like a lap dog for at least 18 months trying to catch me in a GOTCHA.  He does seem to have stepped up his game lately though......

[Strike 5,460]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Huh?  It’s directly related.  Your point was “they only said they’d deport him because the court said they’d put him on the street during the trial!” By saying that, are you not implying that they shouldn’t put him on the street?  

No, my point was that your conclusion that the Feds are acknowledging they don't have a case on the human trafficking charges is incorrect.  And I'm not saying they have a case.  I haven't seen all the evidence.  I'm saying that they are NOT acknowledging they don't have a case.  They just don't want him on the street.

[TimHauck 2,754]

Just now, Strike said:

No, my points was that your conclusion that the Feds are acknowledging they don't have a case on the human trafficking charges is incorrect.

Why won’t they go along with the judge to release him then? 

The guy is probably the most recognizable El Salvadoran in the country right now, he ain’t going anywhere (even though apparently @EternalShinyAndChrome thinks he’s going to run away).

[Strike 5,460]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Why won’t they go along with the judge to release him then? 

The guy is probably the most recognizable El Salvadoran in the country right now, he ain’t going anywhere (even though apparently @EternalShinyAndChrome thinks he’s going to run away).

They don't want illegals in this country.  Trump promised, and was elected on, deporting illegals.  Is it really that hard for you to understand?

[TimHauck 2,754]

13 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

What do you think people who are here illegally do when they are put back on the street to await trial?  Go ahead, take a guess.

Lol this dude ain’t going anywhere.

But if you’ve been following current events, a lot of them do show up for their court dates.  Maybe less will now though since ICE has been picking up people at their scheduled court dates

[TimHauck 2,754]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

They don't want illegals in this country.  Trump promised, and was elected on, deporting illegals.  Is it really that hard for you to understand?

So then they should have just deported him to a third country and not added the trafficking charges.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Strike 5,460]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So then they should have just deported him to a third country and not added the trafficking charges.

Thanks for proving my point.

Actually, that wasn't your point nor what I was responding to.  But if you need to stretch this far to think you finally got a GOTCHA, good for you!!!

[TimHauck 2,754]

27 minutes ago, Strike said:

Actually, that wasn't your point 

My point is the trafficking charges are political theater.  In my opinion, if the government doesn’t see the trial through, they are acknowledging that, which would also be acknowledging that they don’t think they will win.    

If they just wanted to deport him they could have done that without the trafficking charges.  Hence, the trafficking charges are theater.

[Strike 5,460]

Just now, TimHauck said:

It’s all directly related.

My point is the trafficking charges are political theater.  In my opinion, if the government doesn’t see the trial through, they are acknowledging that, which would also be acknowledging that they don’t think they will win.    

If they just wanted to deport him they could have done that without the trafficking charges.  Hence, the trafficking charges are theater.

And you're wrong again.  There are multiple alternative reasons they might be pursuing these charges.  But you ascribe the motives you WANT to it.  And that's fine.  Doesn't mean you're right though.  As I said originally, you always make the weirdest conclusions.  

[TimHauck 2,754]

lol that shills like Libs of Tik Tok STILL believe the propaganda that Van Hollen and Abrego Garcia were drinking margaritas

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1938321675461804516

 

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,050]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Lol this dude ain’t going anywhere.

But if you’ve been following current events, a lot of them do show up for their court dates.  Maybe less will now though since ICE has been picking up people at their scheduled court dates

Seriously?  Why would they take that chance? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,050]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

You’re correct that they don’t need the other charges to deport him.

So why add them?

Answer: theater.

You realize that EVERY day people are charged with crimes and that includes a whole host of other charges that are eventually dropped or waived.  You calling that "theatre" too?  It's an actual prosecution thing they do with prosecutors everywhere all across America: Add a bunch of charges so in case you lose some there will be others.

Are you really this dense?  Did you not know that?  Should we enlist @Engorgeous George to school either you or me on this claim by me?

[squistion 2,151]

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

lol that shills like Libs of Tik Tok STILL believe the propaganda that Van Hollen and Abrego Garcia were drinking margaritas

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1938321675461804516

Maybe because Marco Rubio recently repeated that falsehood (and he must know it's a lie, but he obviously doesn't care).

[TimHauck 2,754]

8 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Seriously?  Why would they take that chance? 

So no bail for anyone on trial for any crime then?

[TimHauck 2,754]

7 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You realize that EVERY day people are charged with crimes and that includes a whole host of other charges that are eventually dropped or waived.  You calling that "theatre" too?  It's an actual prosecution thing they do with prosecutors everywhere all across America: Add a bunch of charges so in case you lose some there will be others.

Are you really this dense?  Did you not know that?  Should we enlist @Engorgeous George to school either you or me on this claim by me?

Aren’t deportation proceedings completely separate from criminal charges though?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,050]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

So no bail for anyone on trial for any crime then?

I mean, c'mon, you can't be serious here, can you?  THAT was your take away from my post? 

Can you just stop with the strawmen and goalpost moving already?  Or maybe you just have a reading comprehension problem?

[TimHauck 2,754]

1 minute ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I mean, c'mon, you can't be serious here, can you?  THAT was your take away from my post? 

Can you just stop with the strawmen and goalpost moving already?  Or maybe you just have a reading comprehension problem?

Why is Abrego Garcia more of a flight risk than someone else with the same (lack of) criminal record?

No bail for anyone in deportation proceedings?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,050]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Why is Abrego Garcia more of a flight risk than someone else with the same (lack of) criminal record?

No bail for anyone in deportation proceedings?

Yes, OF COURSE someone who is here illegally is more of a flight risk.  And he does have a criminal record: he's here illegally.  This isn't even a debate.

I would most certainly be on board with that, but what I would be more on board with is that they stay in Mexico until their hearing and not be allowed into the country.

[Maximum Overkill 1,917]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Why is Abrego Garcia more of a flight risk than someone else with the same (lack of) criminal record?

Because he has a reason to be 

[TimHauck 2,754]

14 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Yes, OF COURSE someone who is here illegally is more of a flight risk.  And he does have a criminal record: he's here illegally.  This isn't even a debate.

I would most certainly be on board with that, but what I would be more on board with is that they stay in Mexico until their hearing and not be allowed into the country.

Ok so you think everyone in deportation proceedings should not have bail.  You are welcome to your opinion.

[seafoam1 2,948]

What's with hearings for illegals? Just kick them out. Jeez. 

[TimHauck 2,754]

6 hours ago, Strike said:

And you're wrong again.  There are multiple alternative reasons they might be pursuing these charges.  But you ascribe the motives you WANT to it.  And that's fine.  Doesn't mean you're right though.  As I said originally, you always make the weirdest conclusions.  

Don’t just take my word for it.  Here was the ruling about not allowing him to be detained during the trial.   The judge certainly seems skeptical of the overall evidence.  It’s a little long, but an interesting read.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621.43.0.pdf

I’ll tag @Engorgeous George in case he’s curious to read it.

Page 27 is what I found most relevant.  He was skeptical of the testimony being hearsay or “double hearsay” from criminals that stand to gain something from their testimony.

There was like 4 pages devoted to the government playing word games with the word “involved.”  There was a suggestion from the defense that a piece of evidence could have been fabricated.  The judge also questioned the evidence about Abrego Garcia being MS-13.  And was sure to point out that the charges were NOT human trafficking (I was wrong to call them that earlier today, but I believe I mentioned earlier in the thread that my understanding of human trafficking aligned with what the judge mentioned here - that refers to people being held against their will).

[Strike 5,460]

So this gang banger's lawyers asked the judge to DELAY releasing him from jail BECAUSE the government will deport him if he is released:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621.63.0.pdf

ROFLMAO!!!

[TimHauck 2,754]

9 minutes ago, Strike said:

So this gang banger's lawyers asked the judge to DELAY releasing him from jail BECAUSE the government will deport him if he is released:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621/gov.uscourts.tnmd.104621.63.0.pdf

ROFLMAO!!!

The judge thinks the evidence he is a gang banger is flimsy, btw.  Thanks for confirming your obvious bias

[Hardcore troubadour 15,290]

Wait, some think that he wasn’t trafficking when he was pulled over in Tennessee? And there isn’t a case to be made? 

[Strike 5,460]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The judge thinks the evidence he is a gang banger is flimsy, btw.  Thanks for confirming your obvious bias

When did I ever hide my bias?  This wife beating gang banger with a valid deportation order should be out of here.  Why people such as yourself fought so hard to bring him back is beyond me.  He's really not the hill to die on.

[TimHauck 2,754]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

When did I ever hide my bias?  This wife beating gang banger with a valid deportation order should be out of here.  Why people such as yourself fought so hard to bring him back is beyond me.  He's really not the hill to die on.

So much for basing your opinions on facts and data, fraud.

[Strike 5,460]

Just now, TimHauck said:

So much for basing your opinions on facts and data, fraud.

Says the guy who thinks Israel is the aggressor and committing genocide.

[Mark Davis 393]

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Why is Abrego Garcia more of a flight risk than someone else with the same (lack of) criminal record?

No bail for anyone in deportation proceedings?

I'll answer.  Because he's the "anti Trump" cause of the moment.  We literally had someone leak classified national security information to spin a story from an early damage assessment in Iran in an attempt to make Trump look bad.  Someone is risking their career and their freedom to do that over something as serious as national security.  Are we to believe that nobody out there on the left would attempt to help hide this guy or flee from justice?  That seems like a very likely scenario to me.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,050]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

So much for basing your opinions on facts and data, fraud.

Yeah, I know.  You should stop doing that. 

[TimHauck 2,754]

Just now, Strike said:

Says the guy who thinks Israel is the aggressor and committing genocide.

Liar.  I specifically said I did not think they were committing genocide.  Will you admit you were wrong?

[Strike 5,460]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Liar.  I specifically said I did not think they were committing genocide.  Will you admit you were wrong?

No.  You said they murdered 200 journalists and are indiscriminately firing in to crowds of innocent people trying to get aid.  Go fock yourself.

[TimHauck 2,754]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

No.  You said they murdered 200 journalists and are indiscriminately firing in to crowds of innocent people trying to get aid.

Both of those statements are true. But that doesn’t mean they are committing genocide.
 

 

[JuneJuly 194]

Pulled down on the chinstrap and got that metal helmet so tight it's stuck on now. 

[TimHauck 2,754]

22 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

I'll answer.  Because he's the "anti Trump" cause of the moment.  We literally had someone leak classified national security information to spin a story from an early damage assessment in Iran in an attempt to make Trump look bad.  Someone is risking their career and their freedom to do that over something as serious as national security.  Are we to believe that nobody out there on the left would attempt to help hide this guy or flee from justice?  That seems like a very likely scenario to me.  

Sure I guess that’s theoretically possible.  “Likely” though, absolutely not.

1) He has a family.  So either whoever helps him go into hiding will need to help his family go into hiding also, or he’d need to leave his family.

2) He’s extremely recognizable at this point.  If he did go into hiding he could pretty much never show his face.  And if he skipped out on his trial you know the administration would turn over every rock to find him

[Mark Davis 393]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Sure I guess that’s theoretically possible.  “Likely” though, absolutely not.

1) He has a family.  So either whoever helps him go into hiding will need to help his family go into hiding also, or he’d need to leave his family.

2) He’s extremely recognizable at this point.  If he did go into hiding he could pretty much never show his face.  And if he skipped out on his trial you know the administration would turn over every rock to find him

You're ascribing a worry of leaving family to a man who clearly punched his wife.  But if I were him I'd run if given the chance.  

[TimHauck 2,754]

15 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

You're ascribing a worry of leaving family to a man who clearly punched his wife.  But if I were him I'd run if given the chance.  

Clearly, lol

[squistion 2,151]

58 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

You're ascribing a worry of leaving family to a man who clearly punched his wife.  But if I were him I'd run if given the chance.  

So clear that charges were never filed. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,050]

Who knew Lady Squiztard would be okay with beating up women?  Apparently, he supports wife-beating because no charges were filed DESPITE his wife filing reports. 

Lady Squiztard:  The Pidgeon F@cker and Wife Beater Supporter.  OOf.