Dem immigration talking points fizzle as dark picture of Abrego Garcia emerges

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1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

No?

The SC ruled that we should facilitate his return.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/10/nx-s1-5358421/supreme-court-abrego-garcia-deportation-decision

Fact.

ROFLMAO.  Your own article proves my point.  Reread it.

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6 minutes ago, Strike said:

   And why is it a personal attack to bring up the fact that you were banned?  That's not an attack.  That's a FACT.  Now you're opposed to FACTS?  Make up your mind.

Bump.

[Ron_Artest 1,190]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

ROFLMAO.  Your own article proves my point.  Reread it.

No you're wrong.  You're so wrong that you're trying to weasel out using semantics.

The Supreme Court has ordered the Trump administration to "facilitate" the return to the United States of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was mistakenly taken to El Salvador and remains in custody there.

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6 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

none of your opinions matter

It’s not my opinion that the judges ruled he was ms13 nor is it my opinion he agreed to removal 

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No you're wrong.  You're so wrong that you're trying to weasel out using semantics.

The Supreme Court has ordered the Trump administration to "facilitate" the return to the United States of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was mistakenly taken to El Salvador and remains in custody there.

Just so you know. The Supreme Court can not rule to force another country to give us one of their citizens. 
 

also anytime you read Maryland man. You are being played. He’s not and never has been nor ever will be a Maryland man 

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6 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

none of your opinions matter

You lost. Trump is president and you are a broken, butt hurt liberal. 

[Engorgeous George 2,220]

The term Maryland Man is suppose to distract and to imply some sort of claim to citizenship and residency.  They should refer to him as the IllegalIimmigrant who sought refuge in Maryland.

 

As for due process I am a huge believer in it.  If Society wants to treat him as a criminal give him full criminal due process.  if society wants to deport him as an illegal give him Administrative due process, essentially notice of the allegation and the support therefore, and an opportunity to be heard thereon.

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7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No you're wrong.  You're so wrong that you're trying to weasel out using semantics.

The Supreme Court has ordered the Trump administration to "facilitate" the return to the United States of Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was mistakenly taken to El Salvador and remains in custody there.

You're quoting the article and not the Supreme Court.  Why won't you posted the ACTUAL SC ruling?  The quote from the ruling is right in your article.  Banned alias being disingenuous.  Not surprising.

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24 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Just so you know. The Supreme Court can not rule to force another country to give us one of their citizens. 
 

also anytime you read Maryland man. You are being played. He’s not and never has been nor ever will be a Maryland man 

Trump admitted that he could get him back if he wanted to.  He doesn't want to.  They already admitted he was sent to prison by accident.  The Supreme Court ruled that Trump should facilitate his return, Trump refused, and Trump says he doesn't know if he should follow the Constitution.

Garcia is in fact a man and was living legally in MD at the time of his wrongful imprisonment.

[Ron_Artest 1,190]

21 minutes ago, Strike said:

You're quoting the article and not the Supreme Court.  Why won't you posted the ACTUAL SC ruling?  The quote from the ruling is right in your article.  Banned alias being disingenuous.  Not surprising.

"The order properly requires the Government to 'facilitate' Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador," the Supreme Court said in its ruling.

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2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

"The order properly requires the Government to 'facilitate' Abrego Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador," the Supreme Court said in its ruling.

I don't see the United States mentioned once in that quote or the word returned.  So again, your own article proved my point and proved that you have no idea what the word fact means.

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The WH admits that deporting this guy was an administrative error, but insists he’s MS-13 and uses doctored photos as evidence. 

Obviously they don’t GAF whether he is or isn’t a gang member and would rather he rot in an El Salvador prison than admit they made a mistake.

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Just now, MDC said:

The WH admits that deporting this guy was an administrative error, but insists he’s MS-13 and uses doctored photos as evidence. 

Obviously they don’t GAF whether he is or isn’t a gang member and would rather he rot in an El Salvador prison than admit they made a mistake.

Those tattoos were doctored??? I didnt know that.

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't see the United States mentioned once in that quote or the word returned.  So again, your own article proved my point and proved that you have no idea what the word fact means.

Gutterboy tries hard..

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3 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't see the United States mentioned once in that quote or the word returned.  So again, your own article proved my point and proved that you have no idea what the word fact means.

Thanks for playing.

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2 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Those tattoos were doctored??? I didnt know that.

Someone photoshopped the words and letters MS13 on his knuckles. 

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1 minute ago, jonnyutah said:

Those tattoos were doctored??? I didnt know that.

He went to a tattoo parlor and had them "doctor" them on himself with their tattoo tools. 

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4 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Those tattoos were doctored??? I didnt know that.

You didn’t know our buffoon POTUS had retweeted a doctored photo of the guy’s knuckles?  

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3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Someone photoshopped the words and letters MS13 on his knuckles. 

Wait! The letters werent actually on his knuckles? They looked so real. 

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Just now, jonnyutah said:

Wait! The letters werent actually on his knuckles? They looked so real. 

Crazy huh?

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8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Thanks for playing.

I'll take this as your admission of defeat.  Good job 10x banned alias!!!

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4 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'll take this as your admission of defeat.  Good job 10x banned alias!!!

No it's pretty clear what the Supreme Court has said despite your semantics argument.

Here is the full text: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

I'm just not interested in having a semantics argument with you.  If you wanna declare victory on semantics be my guest.

But we both know the truth even though you won't admit it.  He was wrongly sent El Salvador by accident without due process and he deserves due process.  He is ordered to be released from prison and receive his due process, even if that means he's charged with DV, trafficking and racketeering and then either sent to prison or deported to another country.

Trump violated the law and continues to do so.

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13 hours ago, jbycho said:

Dumb ass liberals... 

 

 

Democrats rallying around illegal immigrant KIlmar Abrego Garcia are facing a narrative reckoning as allegations of violent and criminal behavior mount against the man they made a poster child in the fight against President Trump's mass deportations.

In recent weeks, evidence has emerged that Abrego Garcia beat his wife and was caught trafficking migrants during his time living illegally in Maryland. He has since been deported to El Salvador, where several Democrats, including Maryland Sen. Chris Van Hollen, have rushed to meet with him and decry what they say was a lack of due process extended to him.

"The fact that they went to the mat for this guy just shows exactly who they are," Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said on "Fox & Friends Weekend" on Saturday. "That they are people who don't put America first. They don't care about our citizens and protecting our communities. So, I'm glad that the onion's been peeled back and that their true motivations have been revealed, and this is just one of the cases that we're getting off the streets."

Van Hollen has led the surge of Democrats traveling to El Salvador since April, after Abrego Garcia was deported to the country in March and sent to its notoriously high-security prison equipped to handle violent gang members, known as CECOT. The Trump administration has repeatedly cited court and police documents showing that the El Salvadoran man was not only in the U.S. illegally, but also connected to the MS-13 gang and that his wife had sounded the alarm to police about his violence.

Democrats and the media had characterized Abrego Garcia as a "family man" and a "Maryland man" who was wrongly deported back in March and the following weeks. 

Van Hollen met last month with Abrego Garcia and advocated for his release, declaring that the deportation risks "the constitutional rights of everyone who resides in the United States of America." Van Hollen's trip sparked other left-wing lawmakers to also make the trip south, including Reps. Yassamin Ansari of Arizona, Maxine Dexter of Oregon, Maxwell Frost of Florida and Robert Garcia of California last month. At one point, Dexter pledged to remain in El Salvador until Abrego Garcia was brought back to the U.S.

 

Dems did not do their homework on this guy.

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2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Dems did not do their homework on this guy.

Not even close. But this is probably the "best" they could find. What does that say about the other illegals shipped out with him? Yikes. 

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

They did not release him "per a judge's order" in 2019.  The order only said they couldn't deport him to El Salvador.  It did not mandate his release.  They chose to release him, as administration's have done with millions of illegals for various reasons over time.  But the release was not per a judge's order.  The judge did not say they had to release him.  Why do you constantly LIE?  You're as bad as @The Real timschochet. 

This is the order I'm referring to.

- It does not limit itself to country.

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9 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Dems did not do their homework on this guy.

I think Democratic leadership is on a mission to find out how gullible and devoid of morals their constituents really are. How absurd can we get before our lemmings start to actually push back. 

We aren't there yet, looks like we have quite a ways to go. Sadly. 

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28 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No it's pretty clear what the Supreme Court has said despite your semantics argument.

Here is the full text: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

I'm just not interested in having a semantics argument with you.  If you wanna declare victory on semantics be my guest.

But we both know the truth even though you won't admit it.  He was wrongly sent El Salvador by accident without due process and he deserves due process.  He is ordered to be released from prison and receive his due process, even if that means he's charged with DV, trafficking and racketeering and then either sent to prison or deported to another country.

Trump violated the law and continues to do so.

It's not semantics.  If Trump violated the ruling he could be held in contempt, just like Biden and Obummer's administration's were during their terms, but that hasn't even been floated.  Words have meaning, especially when it comes to law.  Just because you liberals want to interpret everything instead of taking words at face value doesn't change the meaning of those words and sentences.  Just like when you said that the courts found he was MS-13 but that the evidence was lacking.  If the evidence was "lacking" they wouldn't have found him to be MS-13.  ROFLMAO.

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12 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is the order I'm referring to.

- It does not limit itself to country.

I'm not reading that whole thing.  If that order says "release him" tell me where and I'll go read that section of it.  AFAIK the order said he was at risk of being harmed/murdered by a gang so don't deport him to El Salvador.  It didn't say they couldn't deport him elsewhere.

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26 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'm not reading that whole thing.  If that order says "release him" tell me where and I'll go read that section of it.  AFAIK the order said he was at risk of being harmed/murdered by a gang so don't deport him to El Salvador.  It didn't say they couldn't deport him elsewhere.

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ORDER

It is hereby ordered that:

I. the Respondent's application for asylum pursuant to INA§ 208 is DENIED;

II. the Respondent's application for withholding of removal pursuant to INA § 241(b)(3) is GRANTED; and

III. the Respondent's application for withholding of removal under the Convention Against Torture is DENIED;

 

More info if helpful.

The Respondent is a 24-year old native of El Salvador. He was born in 1995 in Los Nogales neighborhood, San Salvador, El Salvador. The Respondent testified that he fears returning to his country because the Barrio 18 gang was targeting him and threatening him with death because of his family ' s pupusa2 business. The Respondent's mother, Cecilia, ran the business out of her home. Although the business had no formal storefront, everyone in the town knew to get their pupusas from "Pupuseria Cecilia."

The Respondent's father, brother and two sisters all helped run the family business. The Respondent's job was to go to the grocery store to buy the supplies needed for the pupusas, and then he and his brother would do deliveries four days a week to the people in the town that ordered pupusas from Cecilia. At some point, Barrio 18 realized the family was making money from their family business and they began extorting the Respondent's mother, Cecilia. They demanded a regular stipend of "rent" money from the business, beginning with a monthly payment and then requiring weekly payments.

The gang threatened to harm the Respondent, his older brother Cesar, and the family in general if their demands were not met. Alternatively, they told Cecelia that if she could not pay the extortion money, she could tum Cesar over to them to become part of their gang. The Abrego family paid the money on a regular basis, whenever they could, and hid Cesar from the gang. On one occasion, the gang came to the family's home and threatened to kill Cesar if the family did not pay the rent.

The family responded by sending Cesar to the U.S. After Cesar left, the gang started recruiting the Respondent. They told Cecilia that she would not have to pay rent any more if she let him join the gang. The mother refused to let this happen. The gang then threatened to kill the Respondent. When the Respondent was around 12- years old, the gang came to the home again, telling Cecilia that they would take him because she wasn't paying money from the family's pupusa business. The Respondent's father prevented the gang from taking the Respondent that day by paying the gang all of the money that they wanted. During the days, the gang would watch the Respondent when he went back and forth to school. The members of the gangs all had many tattoos and always carried weapons. Eventually, the family had enough and moved from Los Nogales to the 10th of October neighborhood. This town was about 10 minutes away, by car, from Los Nogales. Shortly after the family moved, members of Barrio 18 from Nogales went to the 10th of October and let their fellow gang members know that the family had moved to that neighborhood. Barrio 18 members visited the house demanding the rent money from the pupusa business again.

They went to the house twice threatening to rape and kill the Respondent's two sisters and threatening the Respondent. The Respondent's parents were so fearful that they kept the Respondent inside the home as much as possible. Finally, the family decided they had to close the pupusa business and move to another area, Los Andes, about a 15 minute drive from their last residence. Even at this new location, the family kept the Respondent indoors most of the time because of the threats on his life. After four months ofliving in fear, the Respondent's parents sent the Respondent to the U.S. Even though the Respondent's father was a former policeman, they family never reported anything to the police regarding the gang extorting the family business.

The gang members had threatened Cecilia, telling her that if she ever reported anything to the police that they would kill the entire family. The family believed them, because they were well aware of the rampant corruption of the police in El Salvador and they believed that if they reported it to the police, the police would do nothing. At present, even though the family has now shut down the pupusa business, Barrio 18 continues to harass and threaten the Respondent's two sisters and parents in Guatemala. Additionally, they have targeted a brother-in-law who now lives with the family.

 

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1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Trump admitted that he could get him back if he wanted to.  He doesn't want to.  They already admitted he was sent to prison by accident.  The Supreme Court ruled that Trump should facilitate his return, Trump refused, and Trump says he doesn't know if he should follow the Constitution.

Garcia is in fact a man and was living legally in MD at the time of his wrongful imprisonment.

you cant be living legally without a green card, and with an agreement to deport

they do that leftist nonsense Maryland man garbage to convince idiots like you hes a citizen, as an example Hassan Piker one of the biggest leftist podcasts DID NOT EVEN KNOW he was an illegal and he spread the nonsense to his listeners

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13 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

you cant be living legally without a green card, and with an agreement to deport

they do that leftist nonsense Maryland man garbage to convince idiots like you hes a citizen, as an example Hassan Piker one of the biggest leftist podcasts DID NOT EVEN KNOW he was an illegal and he spread the nonsense to his listeners

Yes you can.  It's called "Withholding of Removal" Status and it was granted to Garcia in 2019 under President Trump.  He followed the law, checked in with ICE annually and was employed full time.

He entered illegally, was not a citizen, didn't have a path to citizenship.  He was sent to an El Salvador prison by accident and the courts have ordered the facilitation of his return and his right to due process.

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33 minutes ago, Strike said:

It's not semantics.  If Trump violated the ruling he could be held in contempt, just like Biden and Obummer's administration's were during their terms, but that hasn't even been floated.  Words have meaning, especially when it comes to law.  Just because you liberals want to interpret everything instead of taking words at face value doesn't change the meaning of those words and sentences.  Just like when you said that the courts found he was MS-13 but that the evidence was lacking.  If the evidence was "lacking" they wouldn't have found him to be MS-13.  ROFLMAO.

Judge Xinis is still considering contempt charges.  We're not done yet.

The judge who granted Garcia "withholding of removal" in 2019 determined that he was NOT MS-13 due to lack of evidence.

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Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Judge Xinis is still considering contempt charges.  We're not done yet.

The judge who granted Garcia "withholding of removal" in 2019 determined that he was NOT MS-13 due to lack of evidence.

Why was he granted withholding of removal? 

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29 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

More info if helpful.

 

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The Respondent is a 24-year old native of El Salvador. He was born in 1995 in Los Nogales neighborhood, San Salvador, El Salvador. The Respondent testified that he fears returning to his country because the Barrio 18 gang was targeting him and threatening him with death because of his family ' s pupusa2 business. The Respondent's mother, Cecilia, ran the business out of her home. Although the business had no formal storefront, everyone in the town knew to get their pupusas from "Pupuseria Cecilia."

The Respondent's father, brother and two sisters all helped run the family business. The Respondent's job was to go to the grocery store to buy the supplies needed for the pupusas, and then he and his brother would do deliveries four days a week to the people in the town that ordered pupusas from Cecilia. At some point, Barrio 18 realized the family was making money from their family business and they began extorting the Respondent's mother, Cecilia. They demanded a regular stipend of "rent" money from the business, beginning with a monthly payment and then requiring weekly payments.

The gang threatened to harm the Respondent, his older brother Cesar, and the family in general if their demands were not met. Alternatively, they told Cecelia that if she could not pay the extortion money, she could tum Cesar over to them to become part of their gang. The Abrego family paid the money on a regular basis, whenever they could, and hid Cesar from the gang. On one occasion, the gang came to the family's home and threatened to kill Cesar if the family did not pay the rent.

The family responded by sending Cesar to the U.S. After Cesar left, the gang started recruiting the Respondent. They told Cecilia that she would not have to pay rent any more if she let him join the gang. The mother refused to let this happen. The gang then threatened to kill the Respondent. When the Respondent was around 12- years old, the gang came to the home again, telling Cecilia that they would take him because she wasn't paying money from the family's pupusa business. The Respondent's father prevented the gang from taking the Respondent that day by paying the gang all of the money that they wanted. During the days, the gang would watch the Respondent when he went back and forth to school. The members of the gangs all had many tattoos and always carried weapons. Eventually, the family had enough and moved from Los Nogales to the 10th of October neighborhood. This town was about 10 minutes away, by car, from Los Nogales. Shortly after the family moved, members of Barrio 18 from Nogales went to the 10th of October and let their fellow gang members know that the family had moved to that neighborhood. Barrio 18 members visited the house demanding the rent money from the pupusa business again.

They went to the house twice threatening to rape and kill the Respondent's two sisters and threatening the Respondent. The Respondent's parents were so fearful that they kept the Respondent inside the home as much as possible. Finally, the family decided they had to close the pupusa business and move to another area, Los Andes, about a 15 minute drive from their last residence. Even at this new location, the family kept the Respondent indoors most of the time because of the threats on his life. After four months ofliving in fear, the Respondent's parents sent the Respondent to the U.S. Even though the Respondent's father was a former policeman, they family never reported anything to the police regarding the gang extorting the family business.

The gang members had threatened Cecilia, telling her that if she ever reported anything to the police that they would kill the entire family. The family believed them, because they were well aware of the rampant corruption of the police in El Salvador and they believed that if they reported it to the police, the police would do nothing. At present, even though the family has now shut down the pupusa business, Barrio 18 continues to harass and threaten the Respondent's two sisters and parents in Guatemala. Additionally, they have targeted a brother-in-law who now lives with the family.

 

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I asked you to tell me where so I could read it for myself.   If you don't want to tell me where then I'll just put you up there with Artest as someone who needs to interpret things for me instead of giving me the source so I can interpret it for myself intelligently and call it a day. 

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

I asked you to tell me where so I could read it for myself.   If you don't want to tell me where then I'll just put you up there with Artest as someone who needs to interpret things for me instead of giving me the source so I can interpret it for myself intelligently and call it a day. 

The quoted finding of facts is on Page 3.

The quoted order is on the last page.

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8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why was he granted withholding of removal? 

The judge determined that if he returned home he would be in danger from the gang that threatened him and his mother.

[jbycho 682]

Liberals are flailing big time. 

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Just now, Ron_Artest said:

The judge determined that if he returned home he would be in danger from the gang that threatened him and his mother.

A rival gang? 

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19 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Yes you can.  It's called "Withholding of Removal" Status and it was granted to Garcia in 2019 under President Trump.  He followed the law, checked in with ICE annually and was employed full time.

He entered illegally, was not a citizen, didn't have a path to citizenship.  He was sent to an El Salvador prison by accident and the courts have ordered the facilitation of his return and his right to due process.

His withholding of removal was only to El Salvador. He could still be deported. And he wasn’t sent away by accident. If you think that you are more stupid than you look

keep defending wife beating human trafficking gang banger 

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4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The judge determined that if he returned home he would be in danger from the gang that threatened him and his mother.

That gang he claimed threatened him does not exist in El Salvador any more. So he’s safe