Dem immigration talking points fizzle as dark picture of Abrego Garcia emerges

[Strike 5,542]

15 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I know I'm missing something, these are the orders I'm familiar with:

• Bond hearing 2019 - ordered held.
• Hearing on asylum and removal - request for removal denied, Trump DHS released him.
• USSC and prior district and appeals courts, ordered feds return him.
• Judge Xini, enforcing the USSC order, strictly ordered him returned.

13 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

 

We did this yesterday.  Not doing it again unless you will accept a bored ban if I prove he had a final order of deportation.  I mean, no one is disputing that or they wouldn't be whining about WHERE he got deported; they would be whining about him getting deported at all.  As I said, if you want to have a discussion on our difference of opinion that's one thing.  If you want to argue that he doesn't have a final order of deportation GFY.

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

We did this yesterday.  Not doing it again unless you will accept a bored ban if I prove he had a final order of deportation.  I mean, no one is disputing that or they wouldn't be whining about WHERE he got deported; they would be whining about him getting deported at all.  As I said, if you want to have a discussion on our difference of opinion that's one thing.  ...

Buddy, it's all right you don't have to prove anything. Not asking you to either. Cheers.

[Horseman 2,458]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

We did this yesterday.  Not doing it again unless you will accept a bored ban if I prove he had a final order of deportation.  I mean, no one is disputing that or they wouldn't be whining about WHERE he got deported; they would be whining about him getting deported at all.  As I said, if you want to have a discussion on our difference of opinion that's one thing.  If you want to argue that he doesn't have a final order of deportation GFY.

[Horseman 2,458]

Liberal Cities with first class SID level TDS.  

New York police attacked by Tren de Aragua gang. 

Quote

 

Eleven teen members of the ultra-violentTren de Aragua Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua were allegedly involved in an attack against two NYPD officers on Friday night in Times Square, police sources told Fox News.

Five of the suspects, all illegal aliens from Venezuela, have been arrested in connection with the alleged attack, which involved the migrant crew throwing glass bottles, basketballs and rocks at NYPD officers who were responding to a robbery.

Gang is responsible for over 240 robberies. 

 

Mayor and police chief won't turn the over to ICE when they show up. 

Quote

 

We are also aware that ICE was present at one of our precincts on Sunday morning. And while we are looking into how they got there, I want to stress that our officers followed the procedure outlined in our January directive. They did exactly what we asked of them. We will, of course, continue to work with our federal partners on criminal enforcement.

But I will say it once again, the NYPD does not engage in civil immigration enforcement, period. 

 

You get what you vote for I guess.  Must be the tarrifs keeping people from traveling to New York. 

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Mayor and police chief won't turn the over to ICE when they show up. 

Actually Adams - pardoned/released by Trump - has recently supported giving ICE access to Rikers.

[Horseman 2,458]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Actually Adams - pardoned/released by Trump - has recently supported giving ICE access to Rikers.

Actually they didn't cooperate with ICE in this recent situation, the one I brought up, I even quoted their response.  WTF is wrong with you?

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Actually they didn't cooperate with ICE in this recent situation, the one I brought up, I even quoted their response.

I said Adams. Adams doesn’t run the jail. That law is the work of the NYC council.

FWIW I agree with you, however it’s an option for Trump’s DOJ to bring charges here. If they want to slap charges on they can do that & gain access.

[TimHauck 2,873]

5 hours ago, Strike said:

To be clear, my stance is not that I support sending illegals to El Salvador prisons, especially when they have an order specifically prohibiting it.  I just think that it's done and don't really care that we do anything to get him back.  That would just be a waste of resources IMO.

Do you include publicly asking among “anything”?

[jbycho 754]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you include publicly asking among “anything”?

Dang. You are desperate. 

[Strike 5,542]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you include publicly asking among “anything”?

I said I don't care.  That means "I don't care."

[Strike 5,542]

Hey all.  Remember that story about this guy getting stopped for suspected human trafficking?  Turns out it's true.  Shocking, I KNOW!!!!

https://tennesseestar.com/justice/doj-reportedly-gave-limited-immunity-to-human-smuggler-who-owned-van-driven-by-kilmar-abrego-garcia-for-details-on-2022-trip/tpappert/2025/05/06/

[Ron_Artest 1,525]

It's a shame they can't bring him back to the US and charge him

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's a shame they can't bring him back to the US and charge him

It’s a little late for that Kojak. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

On 5/6/2025 at 1:26 PM, TimHauck said:

Thanks for calling out his age. So he was only 16 when he left El Salvador.  Which would seem to make it not that likely (but yes, theoretically possible) that he was already in a “rival gang” by then.

At what age do you imagine boys join gangs?  Why wouldmit be unlikely that a 16 year old ws in a gang?

[TimHauck 2,873]

11 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

At what age do you imagine boys join gangs?  Why wouldmit be unlikely that a 16 year old ws in a gang?

I honestly have no idea, but in doing a quick search, I’ll admit I was wrong (at least based on US data), which seems to say the most common age to join is between 13-15.

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

20 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

At what age do you imagine boys join gangs?  Why wouldmit be unlikely that a 16 year old ws in a gang?

According to the facts of the case Barrio 18 first tried to "recruit" Gacia when he was 12. He resisted and his family moved twice to help him (and themselves) avoid the pressure.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I honestly have no idea, but in doing a quick search, I’ll admit I was wrong (at least based on US data), which seems to say the most common age to join is between 13-15.

That comports with my admittedly uneducated impression of the recruitment process.

[TimHauck 2,873]

5 hours ago, Strike said:

Hey all.  Remember that story about this guy getting stopped for suspected human trafficking?  Turns out it's true.  Shocking, I KNOW!!!!

https://tennesseestar.com/justice/doj-reportedly-gave-limited-immunity-to-human-smuggler-who-owned-van-driven-by-kilmar-abrego-garcia-for-details-on-2022-trip/tpappert/2025/05/06/

So, more evidence he’s not a great guy, but does nothing to help prove the claim that he’s in MS-13, which as a reminder is the reason he was sent to CECOT.

[Strike 5,542]

13 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So, more evidence he’s not a great guy, but does nothing to help prove the claim that he’s in MS-13, which as a reminder is the reason he was sent to CECOT.

Court already determined he was MS-13.  We're past that, no matter how much you want to rehash it. 

[TimHauck 2,873]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Court already determined he was MS-13.  We're past that, no matter how much you want to rehash it. 

 One judge believed he was, but it wasn’t a “determination”

[Strike 5,542]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 One judge believed he was, but it wasn’t a “determination”

Yes it was.  Use whatever word you want.  A court decided he was MS-13.  He had a final deportation order.  And we keep finding more and more evidence that he SHOULD have been deported.  He's gone.  Hopefully he never comes back.  Amazing that so many of you libs want him to come back.  You should be happy he's gone.

[TimHauck 2,873]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yes it was.  Use whatever word you want.  A court decided he was MS-13.  He had a final deportation order.  And we keep finding more and more evidence that he SHOULD have been deported.  He's gone.  Hopefully he never comes back.  Amazing that so many of you libs want him to come back.  You should be happy he's gone.

No, they did not “decide he was MS-13” no matter how many times you say it.  One judge just thought the evidence he was was enough to deny him bail.  

I don’t want him to come back.  I just want him to be released from prison in El Salvador.  Because as far as I’m aware he has not been charged with any crime.

[Strike 5,542]

Just now, TimHauck said:

No, they did not “decide he was MS-13” no matter how many times you say it.  One judge just thought the evidence he was was enough to deny him bail.  

I don’t want him to come back.  I just want him to be released from prison in El Salvador.  Because as far as I’m aware he has not been charged with any crime.

Then send a letter to El Salvador and ask them to release him.

[jerryskids 6,797]

41 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

According to the facts of the case Barrio 18 first tried to "recruit" Gacia when he was 12. He resisted and his family moved twice to help him (and themselves) avoid the pressure.

By "facts," you mean Garcia's testimony, right?

[TimHauck 2,873]

Just now, Strike said:

Then send a letter to El Salvador and ask them to release him.

I know a guy who could do that and has a lot more power than me

[jbycho 754]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I know a guy who could do that and has a lot more power than me

Oh, he can lift 15 whole pounds over his head? Dang..

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

By "facts," you mean Garcia's testimony, right?

That’s from the court’s opinion. It’s the judge’s findings based on all evidence.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,103]

16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I know a guy who could do that and has a lot more power than me

I would NEVER send that later, so don't ask.

[jerryskids 6,797]

13 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

That’s from the court’s opinion. It’s the judge’s findings based on all evidence.

All the evidence was his testimony. This has been discussed. 

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

All the evidence was his testimony. This has been discussed. 

The government did participate. And they had the right to appeal but did not.

[jerryskids 6,797]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The government did participate. And they had the right to appeal but did not.

Ok

[TimHauck 2,873]

I’d like to revisit the tattoo discussion for a second with a point I haven’t really seen discussed elsewhere.  Here is the “gang field interview sheet” which is essentially the entirety of the evidence that was used in court leading the one judge to believe he was in MS-13 in order to deny him bail:

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

Interestingly, the report included comments about the tattoos of one of the other guys arrested as being attributed to “Hispanic gang culture.”   But there were zero comments about Abrego-Garcia’s tattoos.  If his tattoos “obviously signified MS-13” as some claim, wouldn’t that have been mentioned, especially if the tattoos of someone else WERE mentioned?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

They stopped making those tatoos. 

[Strike 5,542]

18 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’d like to revisit the tattoo discussion for a second with a point I haven’t really seen discussed elsewhere.  Here is the “gang field interview sheet” which is essentially the entirety of the evidence that was used in court leading the one judge to believe he was in MS-13 in order to deny him bail:

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

Interestingly, the report included comments about the tattoos of one of the other guys arrested as being attributed to “Hispanic gang culture.”   But there were zero comments about Abrego-Garcia’s tattoos.  If his tattoos “obviously signified MS-13” as some claim, wouldn’t that have been mentioned, especially if the tattoos of someone else WERE mentioned?

You'd have to ask the cop who wrote the report.

[Reality 3,121]

Man, what a thread. 

This is what liberalism does to you.

Such a sad existence.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

So this POS didn’t have the tattoos he has now six years ago. Tim Hack is borderline retarded. 

[TimHauck 2,873]

17 minutes ago, Strike said:

You'd have to ask the cop who wrote the report.

True, I’d also like to ask the one judge if she’d still consider that cop trustworthy since he got fired, indicted and pled guilty

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

52 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’d like to revisit the tattoo discussion for a second with a point I haven’t really seen discussed elsewhere.  Here is the “gang field interview sheet” which is essentially the entirety of the evidence that was used in court leading the one judge to believe he was in MS-13 in order to deny him bail:

https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

Interestingly, the report included comments about the tattoos of one of the other guys arrested as being attributed to “Hispanic gang culture.”   But there were zero comments about Abrego-Garcia’s tattoos.  If his tattoos “obviously signified MS-13” as some claim, wouldn’t that have been mentioned, especially if the tattoos of someone else WERE mentioned?

Quote

Officers then interviewed Kilmar Armando ABREGO-GARCIA. During the interview officers observed he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie with rolls of money covering the eyes, ears and mouth of the presidents on the separate denominations. Officers know such clothing to be indicative of the Hispanic gang culture. The meaning of the clothing is to represent "ver, oir y caliar" or "see no evil, hear no evil and say no evil". Wearing the Chicago Bulls hat represents that they are a member in good standing with the MS-13 . Officers contacted a past proven and reliable source of information, who advised Kilmar Armando ABREGO-GARCIA is an active member of MS-13 with the Westerns clique. The confidential source further advised that he is the rank of "Chequeo" with the moniker of "Chele".

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but this is the whole basis for the allegation that Garcia is MS13.

There's a specific section for scars, marks & tattoos - there is nothing there. Tattoos had nothing to do with identifying Garcia as MS13.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,103]

7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but this is the whole basis for the allegation that Garcia is MS13.

There's a specific section for scars, marks & tattoos - there is nothing there. Tattoos had nothing to do with identifying Garcia as MS13.

Are you guys under the serious impression that people in this country ILLEGALLY get a criminal trial like OJ Simpson?  This is simply absurd.

I wish you marxists would fight for actual American citizens with 25% of the effort that you defend illegal aliens that are not only here illegally, but committing additional crimes while they are here.  Unf'nbelievable.

[Strike 5,542]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Are you guys under the serious impression that people in this country ILLEGALLY get a criminal trial like OJ Simpson?  This is simply absurd.

I wish you marxists would fight for actual American citizens with 25% of the effort that you defend illegal aliens that are not only here illegally, but committing additional crimes while they are here.  Unf'nbelievable.

Their whole strategy is to let as many millions of illegals as they can in to the country, and then overwhelm the immigration and/or court system such that those people can't be removed.  It's ridiculous and why reasonable people such as myself don't give a sh*t how these people are removed as long as they are removed.