Is Aaron Rodgers a Hall-of-Famer?

[Showboat 256]

Seems like a stupid question because the conventional wisdom is that he is a first ballot lock, but aside from the one Super Bowl, he has a long history of post-season flops.  He never had a 5k passing season (and never even got particularly close), which seems odd for an era where most of the elite QBs cracked 5k at least once (and guys like Dak, Romo, Cousins, Eli and Matt Ryan were able to get to 4900+).  He seems unlikely to catch Favre in career passing yardage and is still behind Rivers and Roethlisberger and seems likely to be caught by Stafford  (assuming Stafford plays at least one season after a Rodgers retirement).

[JagFan 157]

He most likely will be, but he hasn’t been a “leader” on his teams.  He’s had a douche bag attitude.

[jrokh 608]

What’s he got four MVP’s and a superbowl ring? Yeah that’s a lock for any QB…

[GobbleDog 990]

SuperBowl win and 4 MVP's makes him a lock. Though might not get a 1st ballot entry because of he's a pr*ck.

Although if I were charge of HOF rules - for all sports - they should only get one shot.  They're either a HOF player or they're not.  Getting in on the 14th ballot (it's happened) is ridiculous.  Their stats don't get any better with age.

[Ray_T 752]

1 hour ago, JagFan said:

He most likely will be, but he hasn’t been a “leader” on his teams.  He’s had a douche bag attitude.

I think thats something that has emerged in the last couple of years.

He was fine up to that point.   I do think he gets in the HOF.

[Showboat 256]

With the 4 MVP awards, I guess it would be a shock if he didn't get in, but the question is, should he?  Aside from his one SB win, his legacy is not getting it done in the post-season (highlighted by the fact that he never made it back to another SB despite being on some really good teams).  I was a bit surprised that in this era of passing, his best season for passing yards was only ~4600 that ranks as 57th.  Overall, his stats are comparable to Roethlisberger (who lacks the MVP awards, but has 2 SB rings and appeared in another - the one Pit lost to GB), though Rodgers does have a distinct advantage with ~100 more TDs and ~100 less iINTs.  Actually, the TD-to-INT ratio is the one stat where he blows everyone away and maybe that is the stat that is deserving of the HOF. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,894]

He's been to less Superbowls than Jalen Hurts and has as many Superbowl wins as Trent Dilfer. 

Statistically He's a hall of famer but he's really done nothing to win. How many years has he played?? 

[listen2me 23 1,846]

So Brees is definitely not in if we are asking this.  

What a silly thread.  

[Ray_T 752]

5 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

So Brees is definitely not in if we are asking this.  

What a silly thread.  

These threads almost always go in a dumb direction.  but it gives us something to talk about in the offseason so I'll allow it  

 

[polecatt 478]

He will be a 1st ballot HOFer...

That's not really even up for debate

[polecatt 478]

22 hours ago, jrokh said:

What’s he got four MVP’s and a superbowl ring? Yeah that’s a lock for any QB…

Right, it's the NFL, not the NBA

[nobody 2,642]

Media hates him because of his politics.  This time they won't make the same mistake they did with his last MVP and advertise their bias incurring backlash.  They'll be smart enough to make up some BS before sinking him 

[Showboat 256]

17 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

So Brees is definitely not in if we are asking this.  

What a silly thread.  

Brees doesn't have the MVP awards, but of the 15 5k passing seasons that have been recorded, Brees has 5 of them (kind of makes one wonder how he doesn't have at least 1 MVP award) and second only to Brady in career yardage.  Based on stats, IMO Brees has a much stronger HOF case than Rodgers.

[polecatt 478]

On 5/19/2025 at 2:55 PM, Showboat said:

Seems like a stupid question because the conventional wisdom is that he is a first ballot lock, but aside from the one Super Bowl, he has a long history of post-season flops.  He never had a 5k passing season (and never even got particularly close), which seems odd for an era where most of the elite QBs cracked 5k at least once (and guys like Dak, Romo, Cousins, Eli and Matt Ryan were able to get to 4900+).  He seems unlikely to catch Favre in career passing yardage and is still behind Rivers and Roethlisberger and seems likely to be caught by Stafford  (assuming Stafford plays at least one season after a Rodgers retirement).

I've said for a while now that Stafford is as good as Rodgers, he was just stuck on the Lions all those years

He should be HOF too

[listen2me 23 1,846]

6 hours ago, Showboat said:

Brees doesn't have the MVP awards, but of the 15 5k passing seasons that have been recorded, Brees has 5 of them (kind of makes one wonder how he doesn't have at least 1 MVP award) and second only to Brady in career yardage.  Based on stats, IMO Brees has a much stronger HOF case than Rodgers.

Why do you think yards are so important?  Jameis Winston has a 5k season.  

You do realize if you throw thr ball 45 times a game you will rack up yards right?  

Rodgers' highest pass attempts in a season would rank 10th in Brees' career.  10th!

You know who has the 2 highest single season QB ratings ever recorded?  Not Brees.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,894]

8 hours ago, Showboat said:

Brees doesn't have the MVP awards, but of the 15 5k passing seasons that have been recorded, Brees has 5 of them (kind of makes one wonder how he doesn't have at least 1 MVP award) and second only to Brady in career yardage.  Based on stats, IMO Brees has a much stronger HOF case than Rodgers.

Look at his passing attempts though, he was consistently leading the league. Since 2007 he lead the league 6 times in attem. I take nothing from yardage. 

 

[Showboat 256]

6 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Why do you think yards are so important?  Jameis Winston has a 5k season.  

You do realize if you throw thr ball 45 times a game you will rack up yards right?  

Rodgers' highest pass attempts in a season would rank 10th in Brees' career.  10th!

You know who has the 2 highest single season QB ratings ever recorded?  Not Brees.  

All stats have their anomalies: Foles and Tannehill are both in the top 6 for season passer rating but Brees is not off the map at 9 and 10 (and #7 for career - ahead of Brady at 12, but behind the likes of Russ and D.Watson).  Passer rating is a bit of a convoluted formula - I suspect that Rodgers' TD-to-INT ratio (the one stat where he blows the competition away) contributes to his high passer rating.

[polecatt 478]

On 5/21/2025 at 5:06 AM, listen2me 23 said:

Why do you think yards are so important?  Jameis Winston has a 5k season.  

You do realize if you throw thr ball 45 times a game you will rack up yards right?  

Rodgers' highest pass attempts in a season would rank 10th in Brees' career.  10th!

You know who has the 2 highest single season QB ratings ever recorded?  Not Brees.  

Jameis Winston also threw 30 interceptions in that season...

[Ray_T 752]

On 5/20/2025 at 8:25 PM, Showboat said:

Brees doesn't have the MVP awards, but of the 15 5k passing seasons that have been recorded, Brees has 5 of them (kind of makes one wonder how he doesn't have at least 1 MVP award) and second only to Brady in career yardage.  Based on stats, IMO Brees has a much stronger HOF case than Rodgers.

I'd agree with this.   Brees was by far a more efficient QB his stats are better.   I dont see why we would even question his admission to the HOF.   there is no way his team wins a superbowl without him there.

47 minutes ago, polecatt said:

Jameis Winston also threw 30 interceptions in that season...

gotta also agree.    5000 yard season for Winston, but arguably he was as much of a help as he was a hindrance.

when I played HS football, as a rookie I put up a ton of yards passing.  but turned the ball over too much.   coach told me to think of it this way:   an INT is worth 30-40 yards passin6). and a fumble is worth 50.   Pick 6 is likely worth more.   (lets say 100 yards for fantasy purposes)

factor that into your stats and then you see who the better QB truly is.

and honestly this method of analysis has rarely failed me in terms of ranking of the QB.    I fully acknowledge there is likely an exception to every rule so if you find one, feel free to post it here.   but for my purposes, this tells me all I need to know most of the time.

[polecatt 478]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

I'd agree with this.   Brees was by far a more efficient QB his stats are better.   I dont see why we would even question his admission to the HOF.   there is no way his team wins a superbowl without him there.

gotta also agree.    5000 yard season for Winston, but arguably he was as much of a help as he was a hindrance.

when I played HS football, as a rookie I put up a ton of yards passing.  but turned the ball over too much.   coach told me to think of it this way:   an INT is worth 30-40 yards passin6). and a fumble is worth 50.   Pick 6 is likely worth more.   (lets say 100 yards for fantasy purposes)

factor that into your stats and then you see who the better QB truly is.

and honestly this method of analysis has rarely failed me in terms of ranking of the QB.    I fully acknowledge there is likely an exception to every rule so if you find one, feel free to post it here.   but for my purposes, this tells me all I need to know most of the time.

I think Brees is kind of like a poor man's Joe Montana. He's not the most talented QB we've ever seen. He's has mediocre arm strength. He's a bit small/fragile. However, he's very accurate on short throws, and has quite a good football mind with a great work ethic. Pair that with the proper HC who can custom fit a system/roster to cater to his strengths, and minimize his weaknesses and you get HOF results.

Do that with an above average talent, you get Tom Brady. 

Pair that with an elite talent, like a Dan Marino, not sure what you get...   Don Shula was too old school. Perhaps that's what we're seeing with Patrick Mahomes in KC now.

[Ray_T 752]

2 hours ago, polecatt said:

Pair that with an elite talent, like a Dan Marino, not sure what you get...   Don Shula was too old school. Perhaps that's what we're seeing with Patrick Mahomes in KC now.

Marinos era, Shula was the coach everyone was trying to imitate.  back in those days if you got 240-250 yards almost weekly you were considered a very good fantasy QB.

but

offenses have evolved drastically since then.    Marino broke through that wall (more or less) and that was the point where offenses started to convert from run based to passing offenses.   it didnt happen overnight.

Marino and Fouts, and Joe montana were QB's that changed (to some degree) the way an NFL offense operates.   Mahomes was the second generation of new age QB for Andy Reid.   first generation was Donovan McNabb.   both players take features of the running QB and use a drop back passing scheme to make it happen.  its almost like a hybrid west coast offense that is somewhat unique.   granted that has evolved since the McNabb days but Reid knows what he is doing.

[polecatt 478]

2 hours ago, Ray_T said:

Marinos era, Shula was the coach everyone was trying to imitate.  back in those days if you got 240-250 yards almost weekly you were considered a very good fantasy QB.

but

offenses have evolved drastically since then.    Marino broke through that wall (more or less) and that was the point where offenses started to convert from run based to passing offenses.   it didnt happen overnight.

Marino and Fouts, and Joe montana were QB's that changed (to some degree) the way an NFL offense operates.   Mahomes was the second generation of new age QB for Andy Reid.   first generation was Donovan McNabb.   both players take features of the running QB and use a drop back passing scheme to make it happen.  its almost like a hybrid west coast offense that is somewhat unique.   granted that has evolved since the McNabb days but Reid knows what he is doing.

Yes Marino, and Dan Fouts, they put up those huge numbers well before the game had become so offensive favored. The rules have changed drastically, and as a result the play styles. How would a more modern minded coach have worked out in those days with one of those guys? Fun to talk about but we'll just simply never know for sure. 

As for Andy Reid, and his stints with McNabb in Philly and Mahomes in KC, I think you could say several things about that and why it's worked out much better in KC. For one, I think Mahomes is just simply a much better QB than McNabb. The NFL itself was much different then too. It was more offensive minded but at the same time, the hard hitting days weren't exactly done with either. If you remember the short Michael Vick era in Philly, sandwiched in between Andy's McNabb and Mahomes eras, it was electric, but Vick took perhaps the worst beating a QB has taken in the modern era. Neither him nor McNabb really had the skill set to excel in that system. All 3 had great arms, but Both Vick and McNabb were inaccurate short passers. Whereas Mahomes is great. 

[JagFan 157]

Everyone’s getting sick of the guys act.  Here’s what Terry Bradshaw thinks of him, and I agree:

 "What are you going to bring him in for one year?" Bradshaw questioned on the radio show. "Are you kidding me? No, man, that guy needs to stay in California, go somewhere and chew on bark and whisper to the gods out there.".

Not saying the dude doesn’t have the numbers for the Hall, but he doesn’t have the character to be a first ballot.

[LaChup 233]

I'm with Terry on this one. Who needs Aaron Rodgers when you already have Mason Rudolph and Skylar Thompson? Idiots!

[DocNiner 70]

No doubt he has been a talented QB but that talent has waned considerably.the last couple of years. What concerns me about him is the drama he's brought to himself lately. He was all fired.up to be the Rodgers of old when he went to the Jets. Sadly that fire was.quickly extinguished in part because of his Achilles injury. Even when he returned he seemed to have a lack of confidence and a kind of didn't care attitude. Now he's gone from the Jets and has left the NFL in limbo while we all wait for his decision on whether he's going to play or retire. Even if he plays he's a shell of his former self and he should consider if he wants to put himself to the agony of being not very good.

         He has no doubt pissed off several NFL teams that were courting him for his services and the league, teams and fans are feed up with his drama and ego of himself. I don't care if he plays again and he certainly wouldn't be on any of my fantasy roster unless the wheels fall off of my other QBs. Sorry for dragging this on but in all his drama and ego stroking he should be a first ballot Hall of Famer. His accolades support it with 4 MVPs and one Superbowl ring. For years people wanted Rodgers on their fantasy teams as he could really help you win but it's just sad that for all his talent and accolades people will look at Roger's as a prima Donna  that has just drawn too much negative attention to himself but love him or hate him he will be a first ballot Hall of Famer.

 

Now he just needs to retire and ride of jnro the sunset and give us all the courtesy of not dealing with his drama.

[listen2me 23 1,846]

9 hours ago, JagFan said:

Everyone’s getting sick of the guys act.  Here’s what Terry Bradshaw thinks of him, and I agree:

 "What are you going to bring him in for one year?" Bradshaw questioned on the radio show. "Are you kidding me? No, man, that guy needs to stay in California, go somewhere and chew on bark and whisper to the gods out there.".

Not saying the dude doesn’t have the numbers for the Hall, but he doesn’t have the character to be a first ballot.

"Doesnt have the character to be first ballot"  

Lol.  

[JagFan 157]

On 6/3/2025 at 7:38 AM, listen2me 23 said:

"Doesnt have the character to be first ballot"  

Lol.  

Great insight!  Probably why I don’t recognize the username.  But thanks!

[listen2me 23 1,846]

2 hours ago, JagFan said:

Great insight!  Probably why I don’t recognize the username.  But thanks!

Care to elaborate about Rodgers' lack of character?  Many former teammates seem to love him. (Not all)

If you dont care for the guy thats fine.  But elaborate for me on this lack of character and why that may keep him from 1st ballot.  

Bradshaw has hated Rodgers since Rodgers didnt follow the masters on the jab.  Cant get any more Karen than that.  Plus hes old and senile.  

But you tell me what you have issue with.  Ray Lewis killed a dude.  Yet Rodgers has character issues that should keep him from 1st ballot?  

Funny. 

You dont recognize me because I dont come over to this side often.  Ive been here since 05, creampuff.  

[JagFan 157]

10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Care to elaborate about Rodgers' lack of character?  Many former teammates seem to love him. (Not all)

If you dont care for the guy thats fine.  But elaborate for me on this lack of character and why that may keep him from 1st ballot.  

Bradshaw has hated Rodgers since Rodgers didnt follow the masters on the jab.  Cant get any more Karen than that.  Plus hes old and senile.  

But you tell me what you have issue with.  Ray Lewis killed a dude.  Yet Rodgers has character issues that should keep him from 1st ballot?  

Funny. 

You dont recognize me because I dont come over to this side often.  Ive been here since 05, creampuff.  

Ah, so you came along the same year Rodgers showed his arrogance, and competency to cry at his draft…seems right.  
Funny.

Dude is a look at me…arrogant…cried his way out of GB because they didn’t give him the weapons he felt he deserved.  I’m not a Brady fan, but that dude did it with a WR doubling as a DB.  Leaders lead regardless, they don’t run away.

Since 09, jabroni.

[LaChup 233]

Terry Chadshaw has a skirted eggshell and looks like a fat crypt keeper. 

[listen2me 23 1,846]

9 hours ago, JagFan said:

Ah, so you came along the same year Rodgers showed his arrogance, and competency to cry at his draft…seems right.  
Funny.

Dude is a look at me…arrogant…cried his way out of GB because they didn’t give him the weapons he felt he deserved.  I’m not a Brady fan, but that dude did it with a WR doubling as a DB.  Leaders lead regardless, they don’t run away.

Since 09, jabroni.

So basically you have nothing.  

You just dont like the guy.  

Got it.  As I thought.  

[listen2me 23 1,846]

You dont have to take my word for it.  Go Google what his teammates have to say about him.  Even his Jets teammates when they sucked.  Quinnan Williams didnt want him to go.  Just google it.  Other than salty Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley who chirped after they left GB for publicity.  Too many former GB teammates to name still love the guy.  Too many coaches to name.  

But boo hoo because hes outspoken and rubs you the wrong way.  You think that is enough to keep him off a 1st ballot.  Hahaha.  Take your feelings out of it and try again.  

[Ray_T 752]

16 hours ago, JagFan said:

Ah, so you came along the same year Rodgers showed his arrogance, and competency to cry at his draft…seems right.  
Funny.

Dude is a look at me…arrogant…cried his way out of GB because they didn’t give him the weapons he felt he deserved.  I’m not a Brady fan, but that dude did it with a WR doubling as a DB.  Leaders lead regardless, they don’t run away.

Since 09, jabroni.

yeah, he seems a little entitled now.  but that sometimes happens when players become as good as he became.

hes been like this for a while but nobody cared about that as long as he is producing.    the fact that his numbers are down a bit has made people focus on other things like this sense of entitlement.

I personally dont mind if a player gains that sense of entitlement so long as hes bringing it on the field.

Rodgers is not as good as he once was, so that sense of entitlement is now suddenly viewed as a problem.   To be clear, his numbers were not actually bad this last year.  they just were not in line with what we are accustomed to seeing from him

just under 4000 yards 28 TD and 11 INT.    not all star calibre, but when you look at that TD-INT ratio its not bad.     part of the problem there was that the defense was a shadow of what it was the year prior.   so when the offense sits while the other team puts up a long, sustained drive, it can kill your momentum and timing.  

either way, hes still a solid QB.   but hes now at a stage in his career where he needs to be in the right situation to be successful.

In Pittsburgh, they run a fairly conservative offense.   I actually expect similar numbers to what he put up last year.  maybe slightly better as the D is better so they should have more plays from scrimmage.   likely a few extra TD as Rodgers will start on a short field more often.

so from that perspective I'll predict 4100-4200 yards passing.  32 TD and 10 INT.    perfectly adequate if the defense does their job.

He just wont be a fixture on my fantasy team unless there is reason to roster more than one QB

I do reserve the right to adjust this prediction as more info comes available lol. 

[LaChup 233]

Personally, I love it when we're talking big names like.....Quinnan Williams, Greg Jennings, and Jermichael Finley.

[nobody 2,642]

I was at the gym today (chest and triceps... Threw in some shoulders waiting for some equipment to open) and i saw on the TV some footage of Rodgers at practice running one of those QB drills where they shuffle back and forth simulating moving around in the pocket.

He was moving like a pregnant yak.