Confidence is at a new low in Indianapolis Colts' field general Anthony Richardson

[Maximum Overkill 1,826]

I'd be shocked if Richardson beats out Danny Dimes in camp. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/colts-nfl-world-losing-faith-anthony-richardson

 

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I think he's somebody that would need to be in the exact right offense to succeed.

He's not in that. Doesn't look too promising.

In my dynasty league where we get big bonus pts for TDs over 40 and 50 yds, he's worth keeping around for his deep ball alone

[Showboat 252]

There is no "news" in that article (at least nothing new that wasn't already obvious when Dimes was signed 3 months ago).  We already knew that the Colts needed to see Richardson to play better and if he can't beat out Jones in camp, he won't be the Colts starter in 2025.

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3 hours ago, Showboat said:

There is no "news" in that article (at least nothing new that wasn't already obvious when Dimes was signed 3 months ago).  We already knew that the Colts needed to see Richardson to play better and if he can't beat out Jones in camp, he won't be the Colts starter in 2025.

Coaches jobs are on the line. Thats what's going to get Richardson off the Field. If he sucks in camp then he's done, career over as a QB. 

[Ray_T 743]

12 hours ago, polecatt said:

I think he's somebody that would need to be in the exact right offense to succeed.

He's not in that. Doesn't look too promising.

In my dynasty league where we get big bonus pts for TDs over 40 and 50 yds, he's worth keeping around for his deep ball alone

yeah, in that format, hes a guy you dont give up on.

[TBayXXXVII 2,499]

17 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Coaches jobs are on the line. Thats what's going to get Richardson off the Field. If he sucks in camp then he's done, career over as a QB. 

Depends on who the one is that pulled the trigger on Richardson.  Oddly, Richardson has a winning record as a starter and Steichen is .500 as the HC.  They've been at worst, league average over the last two seasons on offense, but bottom tier on defense.  I don't think Steichen's job is at all tied to Richardson... even if it were him that campaigned for him.  If it were Ballard, then I think Steichen is definitely safe.  I think Jones is a better fit for that offense anyway.  He's closer to a comp to Hurts than Richardson is.  If Jones shows to be a competent QB in training camp, he might win the job and as long as the defense doesn't stink, they should be at worst, a 9-win team.

[Ray_T 743]

24 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Depends on who the one is that pulled the trigger on Richardson.  Oddly, Richardson has a winning record as a starter and Steichen is .500 as the HC.  They've been at worst, league average over the last two seasons on offense, but bottom tier on defense.  I don't think Steichen's job is at all tied to Richardson... even if it were him that campaigned for him.  If it were Ballard, then I think Steichen is definitely safe.  I think Jones is a better fit for that offense anyway.  He's closer to a comp to Hurts than Richardson is.  If Jones shows to be a competent QB in training camp, he might win the job and as long as the defense doesn't stink, they should be at worst, a 9-win team.

I'd agree with this analysis.   If Richardson can fix his accuracy issues and throwing mechanics, he has a bit more upside.  but that sort of thing is difficult to fix.   it can take years to overcome and unlearn the bad habits that have been learned for years.   some players can fix it.... but some never do.   What Richardson needs is a good QB coach who specializes in fixing the throwing motion and an offense that will be patient with him.

I dont know enough to know who is good for that and who isnt.   He may already have a good throwing coach, and if that is the case, maybe thats why they have brought in Danny Dimes.

I do think as of today Danny Dimes is likely the better QB.  but due to the age of Richardson, I think Danny doesnt just need to be better to steal the starting job.  He needs to be a lot better.   so barring a complete meltdown I do think Richardson will likely be the starter at QB to start the year.   but he will be on a short leash.    a couple of bad games and it will be Danny Dimes time.

[Maximum Overkill 1,826]

Dynasty folks, what are you doing with this guy? In Superflex I gave Anthony Richardson and a 2026 first for JJ McCarthy. This was right when the Fantasy season ended last year. I couldn't be more thrilled. 

[Ray_T 743]

6 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Dynasty folks, what are you doing with this guy? In Superflex I gave Anthony Richardson and a 2026 first for JJ McCarthy. This was right when the Fantasy season ended last year. I couldn't be more thrilled. 

McCarthy doesnt have the upside of richardson, but I think he has a better chance of being a Plus starter.    Richardsons potential is sky high, but at this point in his career his chances of meeting that potential is considerably below 50-50. (i'd say probably closer to 20%)

McCarthy has a better chance of being a good starter.     Likely at least 50-50.  possibly 60-40.   but his upside isnt where Richardsons is.

in the end, you got a solid, likely above average starter for a boom bust prospect and a first.   I think thats likely a fair trade.

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44 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

Richardsons potential is sky high, but at this point in his career his chances of meeting that potential is considerably below 50-50. (i'd say probably closer to 20%

I'm betting a first round pick that it will never happen for AR. I think he'll be pretty much out of the league in a couple years and McCarthy will be inking a second contract. If Darnold could succeed in Minnesota, then JJ should be a monster there. 

[GobbleDog 987]

Indy lost two major o-lineman to free-agency. Richardson is gonna have his work cut out for him.  Could get ugly. 

[Ray_T 743]

6 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I'm betting a first round pick that it will never happen for AR. I think he'll be pretty much out of the league in a couple years and McCarthy will be inking a second contract. If Darnold could succeed in Minnesota, then JJ should be a monster there. 

and you might be right.

but based on where the market is.   I felt it was a fair trade overall.   you got a guy who is more likely to make it as a QB.   and while the guy you gave up has a higher ceiling, the chances of fulfilling his potential are somewhat low.

its one of those deals that is close enough that I could see some people thinking you may not have made the smartest trade.    but I like the deal.

my two cents worth.

[Maximum Overkill 1,826]

6 hours ago, Ray_T said:

and you might be right.

but based on where the market is.   I felt it was a fair trade overall.   you got a guy who is more likely to make it as a QB.   and while the guy you gave up has a higher ceiling, the chances of fulfilling his potential are somewhat low.

its one of those deals that is close enough that I could see some people thinking you may not have made the smartest trade.    but I like the deal.

my two cents worth.

Too big of a gap between the floor and ceiling IMO. I feel like JJ's floor is about the safest of all QBs, with a great ceiling.  

 

[Ray_T 743]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Too big of a gap between the floor and ceiling IMO. I feel like JJ's floor is about the safest of all QBs, with a great ceiling.  

 

of course you do.  thats the main reason you make this deal.   if the floors not there, you're not making that trade.

[Showboat 252]

9 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Too big of a gap between the floor and ceiling IMO. I feel like JJ's floor is about the safest of all QBs, with a great ceiling.  

 

Not sure how a dude who has never taken a regular season NFL snap can be considered to have a floor.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,826]

1 hour ago, Showboat said:

Not sure how a dude who has never taken a regular season NFL snap can be considered to have a floor.  

Sam Darnold looked like Joe Montana in that offense. It's not hard when you have Justin Jefferson to throw to 

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18 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Sam Darnold looked like Joe Montana in that offense. It's not hard when you have Justin Jefferson to throw to 

that might be a stretch, but he looked decent.  not quite top end, but good.

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Just now, Ray_T said:

that might be a stretch, but he looked decent.  not quite top end, but good.

Haha. But you get my point. It's almost the perfect offense for a young QB. 

[Ray_T 743]

3 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Haha. But you get my point. It's almost the perfect offense for a young QB. 

I fully agree.   it feels like the offense was well designed.

how much of that is good coaching and how much is good QB play remains to be seen.  but if Darnold stinks it up in his new home, I'd be inclined at that point to think it is the coach.

[Maximum Overkill 1,826]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

I fully agree.   it feels like the offense was well designed.

how much of that is good coaching and how much is good QB play remains to be seen.  but if Darnold stinks it up in his new home, I'd be inclined at that point to think it is the coach.

Great point. I would say the system is what really matters. Brock Purdy, Goff, Darnold and Nix aren't what I'd call overly talented  but all fell into the perfect situation.  

This is why I think we'll see a big leap from Caleb Williams as well. 

[Ray_T 743]

5 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Great point. I would say the system is what really matters. Brock Purdy, Goff, Darnold and Nix aren't what I'd call overly talented  but all fell into the perfect situation.  

This is why I think we'll see a big leap from Caleb Williams as well. 

I hope you are right.  I drafted him in my keeper league and I'd like to see him fulfil his potential

[RareN64Dream 21]

7 hours ago, Ray_T said:

I hope you are right.  I drafted him in my keeper league and I'd like to see him fulfil his potential

I got Richardson last year in a 2 QB start Auction league. I ended up trading away Aaron Rodgers for WR help; Mike Evans, around like Week 11 or so and I think, Rodgers outperformed Richardson. Hahah, I ended up getting last place. One of my good gets was Bucky Irving; but that definitely wasn't my best Auction season. The owner with Rodgers ended up winning the league and needed QB help badly. I doubt the trade mattered a whole ton; I also got Patrick Mahomes and Jahmyr Gibbs on that last place team too.

[DocNiner 68]

Regardless of who starts, whether it's Richardson or Daniel Jones the only player worth having in fantasy is Jonathan Taylor. Even though Tyler Warren is touted as a pretty good TE he'll put up modest numbers at best. Colts won't be any better until they get a franchise type QB.

[RareN64Dream 21]

1 hour ago, DocNiner said:

Regardless of who starts, whether it's Richardson or Daniel Jones the only player worth having in fantasy is Jonathan Taylor. Even though Tyler Warren is touted as a pretty good TE he'll put up modest numbers at best. Colts won't be any better until they get a franchise type QB.

Michael Pittman Jr and Alec Pierce aren't that bad; sometimes they have those big random games with stats. Laquon Treadwell is a sleeper pickup they got; he might mature into a viable #3 or #4 WR or fade out. Kind of like what happened with the team that drafted him, the Minnesota Vikings. He is a former 1st round draft pick from around 2016, I think.

Khalil Herbert is decent too at RB. Riley Leonard, young QB; might get a couple reps at QB in the regular season to see what he can do. Adonai Mitchell is alright, might take a step up this season; a bit similar to Treadwell at WR. Josh Downs at WR also did pretty dang good last season; I think he will keep improving with coaching etc. Downs might be the best WR on the team or Pittman Jr.; Pierce got 7 TD last year also.

I could see Daniel Jones being a surprise this year; somewhat similar to Sam Darnold on the Minnesota Vikings last year. If Jones gets a lot of playing time, somehow. But, I also could see Anthony Richardson doing something like that too and becoming like a Lamar Jackson type player. But, Richardson is a bit taller and a lot of both of these QBs development depends on Tyler Warren, Mo Alie-Cox and these WRs. Also, obviously the offensive line and Jonathan Taylor. The team might try to make a move at WR; if Pierce and Pittman Jr aren't more consistent.

The Colts got a pretty strong defensive line; if they can get their running game going with Taylor, it should open up the passing game for more opportunities. But, also sometimes teams run the clock out for the win; if that is what is working for them. If that is the case, then Herbert might be a sleeper; somewhat possibly.

Just some of my observations and guessing a bit; after looking at their depth chart and stats from last season.