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8 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

 

@MDC hates biological Women.  He advocates for Diks in Girl's bathrooms 

You spend a rather unhealthy volume of time obsessing over diks in girls' bathrooms.

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1 minute ago, Tebok said:

You spend a rather unhealthy volume of time obsessing over diks in girls' bathrooms.

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Because I have a Daughter you sick Pervert 🌈 

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2 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Because I have a Daughter you sick Pervert 🌈 

As I mentioned before, she'd be in far more danger around Matt Gaetz or Donald Trump. 

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19 minutes ago, Tebok said:

As I mentioned before, she'd be in far more danger around Matt Gaetz or Donald Trump. 

Are you still being followed rusty? Maybe your cat's and their smell can protect you. 

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36 minutes ago, Tebok said:

As I mentioned before, she'd be in far more danger around Matt Gaetz or Donald Trump. 

Or anywhere near a Pervert like you 🌈 

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Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

Or anywhere near a Pervert like you 🌈 

BUTT MUH DIKS IN GIRLS BAFFROOMS!

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1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Or anywhere near a Pervert like you 🌈 

I think there's already a community watch on rustytebag. 

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Bizarre thing is all the Dems I know, even in my family are totally against tranny men competing against women.

Puzzing as to why not one Dem would vote to ban men competing against women.  Common sense must make no sense to them

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Here is California's policy.  So they acknowledge that its wrong but just cant help themseleves in actually changing who can compete in girl events?  Sounds like liberal logic to a T.  Virtue points above logic.  They can pick out who is a biological male.  At least thats a step.  Doesn't seem all that difficult.   But of course it has to be some complicated issue for liberals.  

The California Interscholastic Federation (CIF) made a series of sweeping rule changes in the days leading up to the event to ensure any females who finished behind a biological male would be appropriately rewarded a medal based on where they placed among female competitors. 

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I just find this topic entertaining.  Instead of Democrats saying they were wrong on this topic (which would be a net win for them), they keep minimizing it and laughing when it's brought up.  The fact is, this is a bigger women's rights issue than abortion is.  This affects EVERY woman, everywhere.  Its not only about athletes, but in everyday life.  Abortion only affects a very small portion of women.

If they abandon the trans movement, they lose no one.  There's no one on the right who's picking up that banner, so the trans community's only recourse is to stay in the LGBT conglomerate and pretend to be marginalized just like the L's, G's, and B's.  The Democrats win because they can still pretend to care about all women's rights.

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10 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I just find this topic entertaining.  Instead of Democrats saying they were wrong on this topic (which would be a net win for them), they keep minimizing it and laughing when it's brought up.  The fact is, this is a bigger women's rights issue than abortion is.  This affects EVERY woman, everywhere.  Its not only about athletes, but in everyday life.  Abortion only affects a very small portion of women.

If they abandon the trans movement, they lose no one.  There's no one on the right who's picking up that banner, so the trans community's only recourse is to stay in the LGBT conglomerate and pretend to be marginalized just like the L's, G's, and B's.  The Democrats win because they can still pretend to care about all women's rights.

I think most politicians refuse to admit they are wrong, but in this case to continue to moronic stance on this harms them more than it helps. I think.

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11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I just find this topic entertaining.  Instead of Democrats saying they were wrong on this topic (which would be a net win for them), they keep minimizing it and laughing when it's brought up.  The fact is, this is a bigger women's rights issue than abortion is. This affects EVERY woman, everywhere.  It’s not only about athletes, but in everyday life.  Abortion only affects a very small portion of women.

If they abandon the trans movement, they lose no one.  There's no one on the right who's picking up that banner, so the trans community's only recourse is to stay in the LGBT conglomerate and pretend to be marginalized just like the L's, G's, and B's.  The Democrats win because they can still pretend to care about all women's rights.

About a quarter of all US women have an abortion. What percentage do you figure are assaulted in a bathroom or lose a sports competition to a tranny? :unsure: 

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19 minutes ago, MDC said:

About a quarter of all US women have an abortion. What percentage do you figure are assaulted in a bathroom or lose a sports competition to a tranny? :unsure: 

100% as on any given day, it can happen. 

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

100% as on any given day, it can happen. 

100% of women are getting sexually assaulted by trannies in a public bathroom or losing a sporting competition to a Grammy on any given day??? :o 

Your math might be a little off! 😂 

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

100% of women are getting sexually assaulted by trannies in a public bathroom or losing a sporting competition to a Grammy on any given day??? :o 

Your math might be a little off! 😂 

I said 100% of women are at risk because it can happen any day.

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30 minutes ago, MDC said:

About a quarter of all US women have an abortion. What percentage do you figure are assaulted in a bathroom or lose a sports competition to a tranny? :unsure: 

@TBayXXXVII :dunno: 

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6 minutes ago, MDC said:

Re-read my question, stupid. 

Re-read my post moron.  You also may want to double check your inflated abortion stat.

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3 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Re-read my post moron.  You also may want to double check your inflated abortion stat.

It wasn’t my stat. It’s the Brookings Institutes. Your claim that trannies affect more women than abortion is the dumbest post of the dsy and it’s not close.

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28 minutes ago, MDC said:

It wasn’t my stat. It’s the Brookings Institutes. Your claim that trannies affect more women than abortion is the dumbest post of the dsy and it’s not close.

:first: 

In the state of Oregon, 100% of all female track athletes in high school, we're affected by a trans athlete.  That’s just this particular case.  It happened in Connecticut as well... and Maine (in fencing).  Probably more leftist states as well.  That's just 3 instances this year.

 

LOL, and you're an idiot.  They didn't say that 25% of women have had an abortion.  They said that 13.7% have had an abortion by age 25... they "project", that by the age of 45, 25% could have one.  Projections aren't facts, they're opinions. 

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52 minutes ago, MDC said:

It wasn’t my stat. It’s the Brookings Institutes. Your claim that trannies affect more women than abortion is the dumbest post of the dsy and it’s not close.

:first: 

 

23 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

In the state of Oregon, 100% of all female track athletes in high school, we're affected by a trans athlete.  That’s just this particular case.  It happened in Connecticut as well... and Maine (in fencing).  Probably more leftist states as well.  That's just 3 instances this year.

 

LOL, and you're an idiot.  They didn't say that 25% of women have had an abortion.  They said that 13.7% have had an abortion by age 25... they "project", that by the age of 45, 25% could have one.  Projections aren't facts, they're opinions. 

💥 Another liberal beat down.

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25 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

In the state of Oregon, 100% of all female track athletes in high school, we're affected by a trans athlete.  That’s just this particular case.  It happened in Connecticut as well... and Maine (in fencing).  Probably more leftist states as well.  That's just 3 instances this year.

 

LOL, and you're an idiot.  They didn't say that 25% of women have had an abortion.  They said that 13.7% have had an abortion by age 25... they "project", that by the age of 45, 25% could have one.  Projections aren't facts, they're opinions. 

Unless a woman athlete is on the same team as a tranny or competes against one, how are they affected by a trans athlete? 

Seems like you assume every female in the state is affected by trans athletes but dismiss projections based on actual abortion data.

Isn’t every sexually active woman potentially impacted by abortion law? 

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

Unless a woman athlete is on the same team as a tranny or competes against one, how are they affected by a trans athlete? 

Seems like you assume every female in the state is affected by trans athletes but dismiss projections based on actual abortion data.

Isn’t every sexually active woman potentially impacted by abortion law? 

I could be mistaken, but i believe his assertion is that statewide rankings are impacted even if only  1 trans is competing.

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16 minutes ago, MDC said:

Unless a woman athlete is on the same team as a tranny or competes against one, how are they affected by a trans athlete? 

Seems like you assume every female in the state is affected by trans athletes but dismiss projections based on actual abortion data.

Isn’t every sexually active woman potentially impacted by abortion law? 

I know that in our state, slots for sectionals and state meets are limited.  So if a biological male is involved, it takes the spot of a female.  There are a fixed number of entries allowed for the top qualifiers in each event.  So even if this male qualifies in the furthest north section in the state, someone in the furthest south section could be impacted because their wild card slot could be taken.  A lot of girls here their HS goal is to one day make the state meet.  It sounds like a low bar, but we had one girl who got a Division I scholarship not make it until her senior year and she was only about three slots from the last qualifier in one of her events.  Some of these meets are extremely hard to make and are decided by times, even if it's from other sections ran at different locations.  So they don't even have to be in the same area to be impacted.

I'll use one event I know about bc of my daughter's involvement.  To make the 1600m girls finals in our largest class, the qualifying time is 5:45.  Well, just because you run a 5:45 at sectionals doesn't qualify you.  Each section has so many slots (5), so if they have enough girls qualify, those girls make it.  So let's say that fifth girl runs 5:25, everyone after 5:25 until 5:45 goes into a wild card pool with similar people from all the other sections.  There are four of those statewide plus if any section fails to qualify enough runners to use all its slots that can add to the four.  I can't recall a time the state meet ever had empty slots, so 5:45 won't get you there.  So by default, anyone who qualifies knocks someone else out.

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4 minutes ago, Bier Meister said:

I could be mistaken, but i believe his assertion is that statewide rankings are impacted even if only  1 trans is competing.

 

1 minute ago, Mark Davis said:

I know that in our state, slots for sectionals and state meets are limited.  So if a biological male is involved, it takes the spot of a female.  There are a fixed number of entries allowed for the top qualifiers in each event.  So even if this male qualifies in the furthest north section in the state, someone in the furthest south section could be impacted because their wild card slot could be taken.  A lot of girls here their HS goal is to one day make the state meet.  It sounds like a low bar, but we had one girl who got a Division I scholarship not make it until her senior year and she was only about three slots from the last qualifier in one of her events.  Some of these meets are extremely hard to make and are decided by times, even if it's from other sections ran at different locations.  So they don't even have to be in the same area to be impacted.

understood

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2 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

I know that in our state, slots for sectionals and state meets are limited.  So if a biological male is involved, it takes the spot of a female.  There are a fixed number of entries allowed for the top qualifiers in each event.  So even if this male qualifies in the furthest north section in the state, someone in the furthest south section could be impacted because their wild card slot could be taken.  A lot of girls here their HS goal is to one day make the state meet.  It sounds like a low bar, but we had one girl who got a Division I scholarship not make it until her senior year and she was only about three slots from the last qualifier in one of her events.  Some of these meets are extremely hard to make and are decided by times, even if it's from other sections ran at different locations.  So they don't even have to be in the same area to be impacted.

Thanks for clarifying. Wouldn’t that only impact whoever lost a slot and anyone who competes with or against the trans athlete?

Either way, I don’t see any way that affects “every” woman, TB’s claim. It doesn’t even affect every athlete in a given state. It definitely isn’t more impactful to women than abortion. 

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5 minutes ago, MDC said:

Thanks for clarifying. Wouldn’t that only impact whoever lost a slot and anyone who competes with or against the trans athlete?

Either way, I don’t see any way that affects “every” woman, TB’s claim. It doesn’t even affect every athlete in a given state. It definitely isn’t more impactful to women than abortion. 

it will impact regional seedings, and depending upon the sport and state, it could impact the state rankings as well.

 

seedings: as they move on in playoffs, opponent would change

 

I do think more women are impacted by roe v wade

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4 hours ago, Tebok said:

You spend a rather unhealthy volume of time obsessing over diks in girls' bathrooms.

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And you spend an unhealthy volume of time defending Diks in Girl's bathrooms.  🌈  😂

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9 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

If you ask MDC if boys should comepete against girls in girl sports, he would probably say no.  

If you ask the GC should boys compete against girls in girls sports I think nearly a 100% would say no with the exception of maybe that Tim guy.

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4 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I just find this topic entertaining.  Instead of Democrats saying they were wrong on this topic (which would be a net win for them), they keep minimizing it and laughing when it's brought up.  The fact is, this is a bigger women's rights issue than abortion is.  This affects EVERY woman, everywhere.  Its not only about athletes, but in everyday life.  Abortion only affects a very small portion of women.

If they abandon the trans movement, they lose no one.  There's no one on the right who's picking up that banner, so the trans community's only recourse is to stay in the LGBT conglomerate and pretend to be marginalized just like the L's, G's, and B's.  The Democrats win because they can still pretend to care about all women's rights.

When you say "abandon the trans movement," do you mean men in women's sports, or trans folks altogether?  I ask because progressives often push the false dichotomy of all or nothing.  Sometimes successfully:  you may recall the debate about gay marriage.  Many conservatives were fine with it, but preferred to call it "civil union."  Progressives insisted on calling it "marriage", and they ultimately won.  To them, it isn't a victory unless it is 100%.

Problem is, I don't see how they will ever get public mindshare of a lot of these trans topics:  medically transing confused kids, men in women's sports, convicted male rapists in female prisons (yes, this is a real thing)... I mean sure, we may get a progressive SCOTUS majority some day which prioritizes woke ideology over biological reality and people's safety, but I can't see how the public at large will ever buy into it.  :dunno: 

Basically, I propose that we break the false dichotomy.  I believe that we can support adults who want to present as the other sex in general, without allowing them into women's spaces.  There are plenty of devils in the details, but I don't want to sidetrack this thread too much. :cheers: 

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2 hours ago, BufordT said:

If you ask the GC should boys compete against girls in girls sports I think nearly a 100% would say no with the exception of maybe that Tim guy.

Squissy moreso than Tim.

But it's weird, I've seen this argument here before that virtually nobody supports it, yet somehow majorities of city councils and state legislatures in several D states support it.  It's a conundrum wrapped in an enigma.  :dunno:

 

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3 hours ago, BufordT said:

If you ask the GC should boys compete against girls in girls sports I think nearly a 100% would say no with the exception of maybe that Tim guy.

Liberals on this site sure as hell do vote for it even if they are afraid to come out on this site. 

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Squissy moreso than Tim.

But it's weird, I've seen this argument here before that virtually nobody supports it, yet somehow majorities of city councils and state legislatures in several D states support it.  It's a conundrum wrapped in an enigma.  :dunno:

 

It certainly is.  This is no different than when Democrats are on the wrong side of history - which they are a LOT - they claim they were Republicans and Conservatives "back then".  

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22 hours ago, MDC said:

Unless a woman athlete is on the same team as a tranny or competes against one, how are they affected by a trans athlete? 

Seems like you assume every female in the state is affected by trans athletes but dismiss projections based on actual abortion data.

Isn’t every sexually active woman potentially impacted by abortion law? 

Because they're all competing for spots to qualify for awards, tournaments, and scholarships.  Every times a guy is competing in a woman's sport, that's one less woman getting a spot to which they're entitled to.  All of them are shifted down at least 1 spot for every guy.

Again, projections are opinions, they're not facts.  It is a fact that when a guy finishes in 4th place (for example), every female below that finish, is affected.  That's not an opinion.  Looks like you seem to have a problem differentiating between facts and opinions.

No.

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19 hours ago, jerryskids said:

When you say "abandon the trans movement," do you mean men in women's sports, or trans folks altogether?  I ask because progressives often push the false dichotomy of all or nothing.  Sometimes successfully:  you may recall the debate about gay marriage.  Many conservatives were fine with it, but preferred to call it "civil union."  Progressives insisted on calling it "marriage", and they ultimately won.  To them, it isn't a victory unless it is 100%.

Problem is, I don't see how they will ever get public mindshare of a lot of these trans topics:  medically transing confused kids, men in women's sports, convicted male rapists in female prisons (yes, this is a real thing)... I mean sure, we may get a progressive SCOTUS majority some day which prioritizes woke ideology over biological reality and people's safety, but I can't see how the public at large will ever buy into it.  :dunno: 

Basically, I propose that we break the false dichotomy.  I believe that we can support adults who want to present as the other sex in general, without allowing them into women's spaces.  There are plenty of devils in the details, but I don't want to sidetrack this thread too much. :cheers: 

I mean pushing the cause of treating men who say they're women... as women, and vice versa. I mean, accepting a child's word for it and chemically destroying them.

If an adult male says "I'm a woman, call me Jane."  Fine.  As long as the government, and "Jane", are pushing the agenda that "Jane" is allowed certain protections that are awarded to women, such as their own bathrooms, dressing/changing rooms, and alike... and vice versa.

They want to get married... go ahead, I don't care.  They're American citizens (if they are... lol).  Whether they are a man or a woman, they're entitled to the same rights as any other man or woman, but if you say you're the other gender, you don't get privilege's afforded to those genders.  I think if we stop catering to that angle, we'd see a massive drop in kids thinking they're the opposite gender.

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18 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Because they're all competing for spots to qualify for awards, tournaments, and scholarships.  Every times a guy is competing in a woman's sport, that's one less woman getting a spot to which they're entitled to.  All of them are shifted down at least 1 spot for every guy.

Again, projections are opinions, they're not facts.  It is a fact that when a guy finishes in 4th place (for example), every female below that finish, is affected.  That's not an opinion.  Looks like you seem to have a problem differentiating between facts and opinions.

No.

You said trans issues affect “every” women and it’s a bigger issue than abortion. It only affects women who live in a state that allows trans in women’s sports and play the same sports as a tranny. And it only impacts all of them to the degree that they’re all one rank lower.

How is that a bigger issue than abortion, something that potentially affects any sexually active woman and has a much greater consequence?

 :wacko: 

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34 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I mean pushing the cause of treating men who say they're women... as women, and vice versa. I mean, accepting a child's word for it and chemically destroying them.

If an adult male says "I'm a woman, call me Jane."  Fine.  As long as the government, and "Jane", are pushing the agenda that "Jane" is allowed certain protections that are awarded to women, such as their own bathrooms, dressing/changing rooms, and alike... and vice versa.

They want to get married... go ahead, I don't care.  They're American citizens (if they are... lol).  Whether they are a man or a woman, they're entitled to the same rights as any other man or woman, but if you say you're the other gender, you don't get privilege's afforded to those genders.  I think if we stop catering to that angle, we'd see a massive drop in kids thinking they're the opposite gender.

Long ago, on a discussion of abortion, I introduced the concepts of "infinity-minus" and "zero-plus," which actually came from my engineering world.  Abortion advocates are infinity-minus -- their default is that abortion is legal, but we can carve out situations where it is illegal.  I fall into the zero-plus camp, which is the opposite, because I oppose abortion for convenience.  Theoretically you could arrive at the same point with each approach, but it is unlikely, and each is a different mindset.

The point being that while I oppose abortion, I recognize that there are cases worth discussing its legality.  This approach shows empathy and a willingness to negotiate solutions in good faith.  I've had a lot of successful business negotiations with this approach.

Back to trans, I tend to fall into the zero-plus camp as well regarding the privileges of their chosen gender, to use your phrase (which I like).  Obviously, trans advocates like Squissy here are infinity-minus.  But I do it from a backdrop of recognizing the reality that some small number of people truly have gender dysphoria.  From this backdrop, we can have productive discussions with the infinity-minus folks regarding questions like:  what do we do with such people?  What is truly in their best interest?  How do we merge that into a functioning and safe society?  What about children?

I find this approach much more productive and easier to defend than a staunch "zero" stance. 

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45 minutes ago, MDC said:

You said trans issues affect “every” women and it’s a bigger issue than abortion. It only affects women who live in a state that allows trans in women’s sports and play the same sports as a tranny. And it only impacts all of them to the degree that they’re all one rank lower.

How is that a bigger issue than abortion, something that potentially affects any sexually active woman and has a much greater consequence?

 :wacko: 

It does affect every woman.  Any time a trans person is walking on the street, they can go into any bathroom, changing room, etc, that is afforded as a safe place for women.  Schools and places of employment treat men as women, who claim they are, and that affects all women as well.  It actually affects everyone, but predominantly women.

Abortion only affects women in a certain age group.

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42 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It does affect every woman.  Any time a trans person is walking on the street, they can go into any bathroom, changing room, etc, that is afforded as a safe place for women.  Schools and places of employment treat men as women, who claim they are, and that affects all women as well.  It actually affects everyone, but predominantly women.

Abortion only affects women in a certain age group.

When you take a dump in public, does the person in the stall next to you affect you? That must be awkward. 

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