Israel attacks Iran UPDATE: Trump claims a cease fire among all countries

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Why is it so hard to say that the people in Gaza are terrorists and will just breed more terrorists? Does anyone doubt this to be the case? 

[MDC 7,428]

Most of the people in Gaza are >30. That means they’ve lived in apartheid for their entire lives. I’m wouldn’t be surprised if many of them sympathize with terrorists. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

31 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Tim is doing exactly what @TBayXXXVIIaccused him of in the trans softball thread.  We were talking about warning shots, Tim lost yet another discussion, so now he's trying to move the goalposts to journalists and doctors. 

I'd ask him if this means he concedes he has nothing on the murderous shooting sprees at the aid stations, but he wouldn't respond.

200 journalists!  Or, maybe 3?  And maybe 1 of them wasn't working directly with Hamas.

I wasn’t trying to debate the warning shot thing, I was asking if you thought they were fired towards the crowd.  When you said yes, I was asking if you thought they could have hit someone.  You never answered, and instead joined into @Strike’s semantics game.  Which is weird since you usually criticize me for that, yet here you are trying to debate the difference between “towards” and “at.”

I never said it was a “murderous shooting spree,” in fact I specifically said what I think happened is they fired “warning shots” that killed people, but they didn’t particularly care.  This is corroborated by the recent audio obtained by the AP, although that one was an American.  There are multiple IDF whistleblowers who allege this as well, including in the original link I shared which was from an Israeli newspaper.

I also never said they intentionally killed hundreds of innocent journalists.  They definitely killed some though.  There is a recently released documentary detailing their targeting of doctors.  And keep in mind, there is a practical reason for targeting journalists and doctors, and not just because Hamas is hiding under hospitals. But I know you’ll say as you already have that everything was either an accident or Hamas did it.

Speaking of, I do still find it funny that you won’t believe Israel did anything wrong without video, but then shared the post saying “look at these grenade shells! They were definitely from a Hamas attack on other Palestinians!”  Lol.

As a Jew myself, it pains me to point out that Israel has committed war crimes.  But they have, and I’m pretty confident in saying that I bet 50 years from now people will likely look at the IDF’s actions during this war a little differently.

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I also never said they intentionally killed hundreds of innocent journalists.  

 

You literally said they killed 200 journalists.  Come on man.

[Strike 5,547]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

As a Jew myself, it pains me to point out that Israel has committed war crimes.  But they have, and I’m pretty confident in saying that I bet 50 years from now people may look at the IDF’s actions during this war a little differently.

Holy Fock, now you're using the other Tim's playbook!!!!!!

[jerryskids 6,799]

41 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I wasn’t trying to debate the warning shot thing, I was asking if you thought they were fired towards the crowd.  When you said yes, I was asking if you thought they could have hit someone.  You never answered, and instead joined into @Strike’s semantics game.  Which is weird since you usually criticize me for that, yet here you are trying to debate the difference between “towards” and “at.”

I never said it was a “murderous shooting spree,” in fact I specifically said what I think happened is they fired “warning shots” that killed people, but they didn’t particularly care.  This is corroborated by the recent audio obtained by the AP, although that one was an American.  There are multiple IDF whistleblowers who allege this as well, including in the original link I shared which was from an Israeli newspaper.

I also never said they intentionally killed hundreds of innocent journalists.  They definitely killed some though.  There is a recently released documentary detailing their targeting of doctors.  And keep in mind, there is a practical reason for targeting journalists and doctors, and not just because Hamas is hiding under hospitals. But I know you’ll say as you already have that everything was either an accident or Hamas did it.

Speaking of, I do still find it funny that you won’t believe Israel did anything wrong without video, but then shared the post saying “look at these grenade shells! They were definitely from a Hamas attack on other Palestinians!”  Lol.

As a Jew myself, it pains me to point out that Israel has committed war crimes.  But they have, and I’m pretty confident in saying that I bet 50 years from now people will likely look at the IDF’s actions during this war a little differently.

It's not semantics; you don't know what a "warning shot" is.  If they were firing at people, they were not warning shots.

You went from 200 to 3 on the journalists, then focused on one who, according to Grok, might not have been involved with Hamas.  One.

I explained the video difference -- kinda hard to get your phone out and capture an explosion as it happens.  Not so hard to capture an ongoing shooting spree, which according to SuppressedNews happens on a daily basis.

Here's the deal, Tim.  You are working from a model that Israel is committing war crimes on a significant level, and nothing anyone says is going to change your mind.  Your sources have turned out to be utter crap which don't even show the crimes you allege.  In your days of searching (I'm guessing 40 hours actual time by now) the best you can do is one audio clip of an American (not Israeli) saying something like "I think you got one."  One.

Megla is right, you are the king of internet victories, because you never admit your errors and you never give up.  

I'm moving on with my day.  Enjoy your win, whatever it is you pull out of this morass.   

[TimHauck 2,876]

49 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

It's not semantics; you don't know what a "warning shot" is.  If they were firing at people, they were not warning shots.

You went from 200 to 3 on the journalists, then focused on one who, according to Grok, might not have been involved with Hamas.  One.

I explained the video difference -- kinda hard to get your phone out and capture an explosion as it happens.  Not so hard to capture an ongoing shooting spree, which according to SuppressedNews happens on a daily basis.

Here's the deal, Tim.  You are working from a model that Israel is committing war crimes on a significant level, and nothing anyone says is going to change your mind.  Your sources have turned out to be utter crap which don't even show the crimes you allege.  In your days of searching (I'm guessing 40 hours actual time by now) the best you can do is one audio clip of an American (not Israeli) saying something like "I think you got one."  One.

Megla is right, you are the king of internet victories, because you never admit your errors and you never give up.  

I'm moving on with my day.  Enjoy your win, whatever it is you pull out of this morass.   

You’re still arguing semantics by saying “dur it was a warning shot!”  As if that somehow means it’s impossible it could have killed someone.   I even specifically said earlier that I didn’t think they were “trying” to kill anyone.  But yes, you got me, there doesn’t appear to be any video of a uniformed IDF soldier killing someone at an aid site.  But there are multiple allegations even from Israeli sources that it happened, so it’s silly for you to suggest that since there isn’t a specific video of it that it definitely didn’t happen, especially since you believe the “this photo of grenade shells is from Hamas attacking other Palestinians!”

I hadn’t looked for videos since the earlier part of the thread though, since I know you are working from a model that you believe anything the IDF says, so anything I post will be either “probably Hamas” or “an accident.”  But again, not sure why you are hung up on the aid site thing, that was just one of the examples I posted.  I guess I should have stopped trying to show you evidence after I showed Israel admitting to blowing up an ambulance and you actually believed the IDF when they claimed it was “an accident.” 

I also never said they intentionally killed 200 journalists, I said that’s the number that died, which includes some that were probably killed in collateral damage and some that probably were Hamas.  The three in the photo were specifically targeted and were not Hamas though, despite the IDF claims about one of them.   I’m sure there are more but I’m not looking up any more because you’ll just say they’re Hamas.

 

[Gepetto 1,368]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Most of the people in Gaza are >30. That means they’ve lived in apartheid for their entire lives. I’m wouldn’t be surprised if many of them sympathize with terrorists. 

That's a greater than sign. Did you mean less than which is <?

[MDC 7,428]

Just now, Gepetto said:

That's a greater than sign. Did you mean less than which is <?

Yes sorry. Something like 70% of Gaza is under 30 and half under 18. 

[TimHauck 2,876]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Most of the people in Gaza are >30. That means they’ve lived in apartheid for their entire lives. I’m wouldn’t be surprised if many of them sympathize with terrorists. 

Possibly, but that statement also calls out how stupid it is for people to say “BuT hAmAs WaS eLeCtEd!1!1!1”

[jerryskids 6,799]

40 minutes ago, MDC said:

Yes sorry. Something like 70% of Gaza is under 30 and half under 18. 

And why do they live in "apartheid"?  If you don't know the answer, keep reading.

24 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Possibly, but that statement also calls out how stupid it is for people to say “BuT hAmAs WaS eLeCtEd!1!1!1”

20 years ago the Palestinians, probably the parents of the current generation, had the chance to elect a democratic government and live in peace with Israel.  Instead, they elected Hamas, a terrorist organization whose charter is to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews in the world (including you, Timmy).  Those parents chose to raise their children in an environment of hate and terror.

The situation there is 100% on Hamas and the people who elected them.

HTH

[TimHauck 2,876]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

And why do they live in "apartheid"?  If you don't know the answer, keep reading.

20 years ago the Palestinians, probably the parents of the current generation, had the chance to elect a democratic government and live in peace with Israel.  Instead, they elected Hamas, a terrorist organization whose charter is to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews in the world (including you, Timmy).  Those parents chose to raise their children in an environment of hate and terror.

The situation there is 100% on Hamas and the people who elected them.

HTH

Why should kids have to pay for the stupid decisions of their parents?

There’s a white privilege analogy in there, but I’ll leave it alone because I know @EternalShinyAndChrome will call it a strawman

[jerryskids 6,799]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Why should kids have to pay for the stupid decisions of their parents?

There’s a white privilege analogy in there, but I’ll leave it alone because I know @EternalShinyAndChrome will call it a strawman

It's unfortunate that the parents put them in this situation.  I'm merely pointing out who is responsible. 

How would you fix it?

I would ask you to avoid some version of "I dunno, but not THIS$#@!" but that never happens.   

[Gepetto 1,368]

29 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Why should kids have to pay for the stupid decisions of their parents?

 

Because, that's how the world works. Plus, those kids are just like their parents.

[jerryskids 6,799]

2 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Because, that's how the world works. Plus, those kids are just like their parents.

Yeah, there is that problem too.  As MDC pointed out, there is an entire generation there that has been brought up learning hatred and terror.  They know no other way.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Why should kids have to pay for the stupid decisions of their parents?

Because those Kids are bred to hate just like their parents. Letting them live doesn't end the problem 

[TimHauck 2,876]

IDF soldiers were previously charged after allegedly raping a Palestinian prisoner on video.  Military judge recommends mediation instead.

https://archive.is/2025.07.07-124208/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/judge-proposes-5-soldiers-accused-of-abusing-gazan-detainee-at-sde-teiman-enter-mediation/00000197-e49f-d615-ab9f-ed9f44680000

 

But Hamas does that too!  Yeah, let’s be better than them.

[MDC 7,428]

16 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Yeah, there is that problem too.  As MDC pointed out, there is an entire generation there that has been brought up learning hatred and terror.  They know no other way.  

True. Israel restricts their travel and trade, steals their land, responds to border protests by shooting at kids and medics, etc.

Palestinians know no other way.

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,989]

57 minutes ago, MDC said:

Palestinians know no other way.

Exactly  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

11 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Exactly  

It’s their DNA at this point.  Like a pit bull. The bad far outweighs the good. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

True. Israel restricts their travel and trade, steals their land, responds to border protests by shooting at kids and medics, etc.

Palestinians know no other way.

 

Why does Israel restrict their movement, MDC?  Adult answer please, not what Mamdani's father teaches at Columbia, or Hamas Harry tells the media you sop up.

ETA:  Hint, I just said it in this thread yesterday.

[MDC 7,428]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Why does Israel restrict their movement, MDC?  Adult answer please, not what Mamdani's father teaches at Columbia, or Hamas Harry tells the media you sop up.

ETA:  Hint, I just said it in this thread yesterday.

Because Palestinians are a terror threat. One that Israel helped create. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

9 minutes ago, MDC said:

Because Palestinians are a terror threat. One that Israel helped create. 

True.  Israel helped Hamas in their beginning, long before the oughts, in hopes that they would be a counter to the then-leading shiot-show in the area, the PLO.

They also gave aid to them when they were in power, in hopes/belief that it was aid for the Palestinian people.  That was a fail, since Hamas took all the aid for themselves and built terror tunnels under hospitals, schools, and mosques.

I'm confident that Israel regrets at least that latter decision.   

[TimHauck 2,876]

@jerryskids, do you think a Palestinian state should be a viable option?  

[MDC 7,428]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

True.  Israel helped Hamas in their beginning, long before the oughts, in hopes that they would be a counter to the then-leading shiot-show in the area, the PLO.

They also gave aid to them when they were in power, in hopes/belief that it was aid for the Palestinian people.  That was a fail, since Hamas took all the aid for themselves and built terror tunnels under hospitals, schools, and mosques.

I'm confident that Israel regrets at least that latter decision.   

Probably. Both Israel and Hamas have been guilty of human rights violations and targeting civilians for decades. I think the lesson here is that the US shouldn’t get involved in these squabbles between a corrupt theocracy like Israel and a terrorist organization backed by Qatar. 

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Probably. Both Israel and Hamas have been guilty of human rights violations and targeting civilians for decades. I think the lesson here is that the US shouldn’t get involved in these squabbles between a corrupt theocracy like Israel and a terrorist organization backed by Qatar. 

Moral equivalency!

Did you attend Columbia?

Also, we support Israel to prevent the Middle East from becoming one ginormous pile of terrorist shiot that, in the absence of Israel to be mad at, would turn their attention to other countries, like they did on 9/11.

[jerryskids 6,799]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@jerryskids, do you think a Palestinian state should be a viable option?  

Should be?  I guess.  Is it?  Not really at this point.  The Palestinians, for all of their co-existence with Israel and all the various shiot governments they chose during that time, consistently turn down options for viable solutions.

"From the river to the sea" is not just for ignorant college kids to chant.

But hey, insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, so I guess we should give it another go.   

[MDC 7,428]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Moral equivalency!

Did you attend Columbia?

Also, we support Israel to prevent the Middle East from becoming one ginormous pile of terrorist shiot that, in the absence of Israel to be mad at, would turn their attention to other countries, like they did on 9/11.

Good plan Jerry. History shows that our involvement in Middle East politics leads to peace and stability.  

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 hour ago, MDC said:

Good plan Jerry. History shows that our involvement in Middle East politics leads to peace and stability.  

You know what's easy is to create your own revisionist history where everything comes up unicorns and rainbows.   

[MDC 7,428]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You know what's easy is to create your own revisionist history where everything comes up unicorns and rainbows.   

Rich irony from the guy who thinks we need to fund Israel’s war to stop another 9/11.  

[jerryskids 6,799]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Rich irony from the guy who thinks we need to fund Israel’s war to stop another 9/11.  

I'm just going by where we are today in the real world, which is that we haven't had another 9/11.  It's practically impossible to prove a negative, though.

You like to live in a fantasy world.  Maybe if one of your wasted presidential picks was elected, things would be different.   

[MDC 7,428]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm just going by where we are today in the real world, which is that we haven't had another 9/11.  It's practically impossible to prove a negative, though.

You like to live in a fantasy world.  Maybe if one of your wasted presidential picks was elected, things would be different.   

Respectfully sir, the “fantasy world” is your delusion that meddling in ME geopolitics reduces the threat of terrorism. You’d think an MIT grad who voted for the Murica First POTUS would know better, even if 25 years of hindsight didn’t teach you much.  

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2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Respectfully sir, the “fantasy world” is your delusion that meddling in ME geopolitics reduces the threat of terrorism. You’d think an MIT grad who voted for the Murica First POTUS would know better, even if 25 years of hindsight didn’t teach you much.  

Respectfully sir, an MIT grad understands the posts I've written.  I'll never convince you that your alternative reality isn't necessarily unicorns and rainbows, so we can agree to disagree.  Me from a position of reality, you from wishcasting.   

[HellToupee 1,776]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Because Palestinians are a terror threat. One that Israel helped create. 

Now remember the other Middle East countries are complicit in this as well. The palestinians are used as pawns

[MDC 7,428]

Just now, HellToupee said:

Now remember the other Middle East countries are complicit in this as well. The palestinians are used as pawns

True. For example Qatar is a major funder of terror, in addition to being a Trump donor.  

[HellToupee 1,776]

5 minutes ago, MDC said:

True. For example Qatar is a major funder of terror, in addition to being a Trump donor.  

Well this seems problematic 

Qatar and China Are Pouring Billions Into Elite American Universities

Frannie Block

Foreign donors have given as much to U.S. universities in the last four years as they did in the previous 40, according to a new report by the Network Contagion Research Institute shared exclusively with The Free Press. The study shows an explosion in overseas funding for American schools between 2021 and 2024, with nearly $29 billion in foreign money donated during that period.

Qatar and China are among the largest sources of funding.

That $29 billion figure is more than double the total for the preceding four years, and accounts for half of the estimated $57.97 billion in foreign funding since 1986, when the federal government began tracking the data.

 

(via NCRI)

“The floodgates opened during the Biden era,”  said NCRI’s co-founder Joel Finkelstein. “This isn’t just a financial issue—it’s a national security crisis. Hostile powers are buying influence on American campuses at an industrial scale.”

Here’s what the NCRI study found:

• Qatar is the largest source of foreign donations to U.S. universities since reporting began in 1986, with $6.3 billion coming from the gas-rich Gulf state.

• Germany ($3.3 billion) was the largest source of foreign funding over the last four years, followed by China ($2.3 billion), Qatar ($2 billion), and Saudi Arabia ($1.9 billion). Almost two-thirds of the money from Germany ($1.9 billion) went to the University of Pennsylvania, including $467 million in a settlement last fall after the university accused a German pharmaceutical firm of improperly licensing their vaccine technology.

• Qatari donations have ramped up significantly over the last four years. Nearly a third of donations from Qatar—over $2 billion—were given between 2021 and 2024.

• The second-largest source of foreign funding is China. Chinese funding accounts for $5.6 billion and, as with Qatar, Chinese donations have increased sharplyin the past four years, with $2.3 billion in donations from 2021 to 2024. China is the single largest source of overseas donations to some of America’s most prestigious universities, including Harvard, Columbia, and Stanford.

• Harvard has historically received the most funding from foreign donors ($3.2 billion), followed by Cornell and Carnegie Mellon (which have each received $2.8 billion).

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

Arabs/ Muslims were known for their peaceful ways until the Jews moved back in and started oppressing them.   MDC

[Gepetto 1,368]

10 hours ago, TimHauck said:

IDF soldiers were previously charged after allegedly raping a Palestinian prisoner on video.  Military judge recommends mediation instead.

https://archive.is/2025.07.07-124208/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-07-07/ty-article/.premium/judge-proposes-5-soldiers-accused-of-abusing-gazan-detainee-at-sde-teiman-enter-mediation/00000197-e49f-d615-ab9f-ed9f44680000

 

But Hamas does that too!  Yeah, let’s be better than them.

We? We’re not Israeli. It’s not right to blame Israelis or even the IDF either. Only the individuals responsible for the crimes should be blamed and held responsible, if proven guilty of the heinous crime.

[jerryskids 6,799]

I learned today that Palestinians are miserable, terrorist focks because Donald Trump took an airplane as a gift (which I disagree with him taking, as a side note).

I also learned that without Israel, the Palestinians would have elected a peace-seeking democratic government 20 years ago, in contrast to the history of their entire existence, because we live in unicorn and rainbow world.

 

[MDC 7,428]

It’s sort of amazing to me that bin Laden / Al Qaida can say they attacked the US on 9/11 because of our military presence in Saudi Arabia and unconditional support for Israel.

And even with 25 years of hindsight, an MIT grad can vote for a POTUS who campaigned on getting us out of foreign conflicts … and still think more meddling in the ME will keep us safe.

Metal helmet stupid. 🪖