Why do you vote Liberal/Progressive?

[iam90sbaby 2,610]

10 hours ago, Fnord said:

Since @listen2me 23 seems like he's asking in good faith, I'll answer:

I believe in a social safety net, but not a system of handouts giving people reasons not to work. I want all Americans to have access to food and healthcare, two things that a country as rich as the US should never have citizens going without. I can accept that social programs will always have some level of abuse, waste, and fraud, but not to the point at which you just start pulling the plug on the programs with no plans as to how those being aided by them will be affected. I work hard for my money but understand that not everyone is as fortunate as I am.

I DO NOT vote that way because I want children getting sex change operations, or because I'm a pedo, or like war, or can't define a woman. Anyone that believes any of those things is not only a brainwashed dipshit, but WANTS to be a brainwashed dipshit, and probably does not understand what it means to be an American.

I want the first and second amendments not to be fuct with. I want EVERYONE to pay their fair share of taxes, nothing more or less. I want our gov't to provide infrastructure, security, and law enforcement but stay the fock out of my personal life, my bedroom, my faith, and my healthcare decisions. I especially do not want a President that acts like, or has the power of, a king. When it comes to personal freedom and bodily autonomy, I'm closer to being a libertarian.

I'm a registered independent because both parties make me sick, just in different ways. The GOP is as corrupt as it gets, with the entire party in fealty to a crazy man. The Dems are less evil, but far more inept and ideologically fractured. Despite having some decent ideas, they can never seem to make any progress due mostly to their own failings, IMO. What they pulled with Biden last year was unforgivable. 

When was the last time you had your testosterone levels checked?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

I'll play along. I'm a registered Independent at this point.

The only reason I will often vote for a Democrat is because they are better for the profession I've chosen. Voting against them and voting for a party who wants to break the public school system (or at least heavily modify it) would be foolish. And I totally get and understand why someone would vote different. I have a buddy who is affected by trade policies so he tends to vote Republican. No issues with that- as I believe everyone should vote for what best fits their own personal interests in government. I truly think people who try to nail down every single position to fit what they believe just would never find any candidate.

From 2000-2020 I was a registered Republican and voted Republican quite a bit. The reason I left was from 2008-2016 I saw Obama dominate the Democrat party and just the absolute slavish devotion to him and I laughed like crazy. I continually thought to myself "At least Republicans don't fall into this trap and seemingly have a few more avenues of thought" (again just my perception). But then Trump came along and the Republican party just fell in line behind him allowing themselves to be run over and just kowtowing to everything Trump did and said. Then when the 2018 and 2020 elections were rolling through every single piece of mail I got- even for state elections was- "Donald Trump this...." and "Donald Trump that...." Hell one election was for a House seat and the mailers never even mentioned the candidate's name. It was all just Trump stuff. So in the spring of 2020 I left the Republican party because of the fealty to Trump that was something I mocked incessantly for Democrats doing with Obama. That does not mean I don't vote for certain Republicans yet but on a national level I'm just seeing people afraid to stand on their convictions and just do whatever Trump tells them to do because he bullies them- and that just ain't the way politics is supposed to work. 

 

Now none of that means I will register Democrat because I don't agree with everything they do either

[TheNewGirl 1,489]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'm just seeing people afraid to stand on their convictions and just do whatever Trump tells them to do because he bullies them- and that just ain't the way politics is supposed to work. 

Don't Dems just cancel/dox people? Isn't that akin to bullying? 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

8 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Don't Dems just cancel/dox people? Isn't that akin to bullying? 

Both parties bully people who don't believe in the same things as them.

With Trump bullying I get more annoyed because these people elected to go to Washington just cower on everything. 

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

On 7/1/2025 at 5:54 PM, listen2me 23 said:

Ill just be honest here and im probably being too nice.  I think most here are law abiding working people.  (What you people do for work to allow you to slap fight all day and repeat the same things is actually astonishing).   I dont think people here are looking for free stuff.  

I was just curious what Lib voters actually really back with the left.  I totally know squis and tim are all about virtue signaling and lgbtq stuff.   Squis may be trans which is fine.   If he came out and said it Id get it more.  

I was just wondering but I doubt ill get much back here because there is little to nothing.   I truly do think these fake centrists are working decent people.   I was just wondering what they would get really behind.  I wasnt looking for ridicule.  I honestly am wondering what is backed other than having some sort of TDS.   

I have stopped myself from starting a few threads that were a little more specific than this one, but more or less with the same line of thinking. I don't consider myself to be any sort of liberal, especially the modern day liberal.  Am I pro abortion? Yes. Am I pro gun control? Yeah, kind of. I won't expand on these stances unless someone wants me to. Am I an environmentalist? Yes  Do I believe in global warming to the fear mongering extent? Nope.  I am also anti illegal immigration, pro border control, pro deportation, and totally against funding other countries wars that they can't win so we can avoid taking a hard line stance. 

I can't stand liberals but that may just be that I can't stand TDS liberals or this current form of liberal.  For example it boggles my mind how anyone can rationally argue for biological men in womens sports or how anyone can rationally argue that illegal immigrants deserve to be here. 

My aunt who I am very close with is probably the most liberal person in my immediate family. She's considered herself a proud liberal since the 70's. Unfortunately, like most liberals, I don't think she realizes that her party has devolved into a party that thrives on the oppression of minorities and really has nothing to stand on aside from manufacturing new social issues to remain relevant. Also she has become a classic TDS person. For example, whenever I speak to her she always finds a way to slip in how she has to be careful with her spending because of how bad her investments are doing, etc. I am fully aware she is trying to bait me into a conversation about Trump/ the economy because she knows I voted for him and she knows that many people who did pointed to how he would be better for their investments. However, she has continued this even as the market has more than recovered from the initial tariff led drops. She has MSNBC on almost 24/7... so yea. 

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

 but on a national level I'm just seeing people afraid to stand on their convictions and just do whatever Trump tells them to do because he bullies them- and that just ain't the way politics is supposed to work. 

 

what world have you lived in your entire life?  Politics is almost 100% about politicians looking out for themselves and their political future. It's not even really being bullied as much as it is "If I fall in line, this will benefit my career". 

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'll play along. I'm a registered Independent at this point.

The only reason I will often vote for a Democrat is because they are better for the profession I've chosen. Voting against them and voting for a party who wants to break the public school system (or at least heavily modify it) would be foolish. And I totally get and understand why someone would vote different. I have a buddy who is affected by trade policies so he tends to vote Republican. No issues with that- as I believe everyone should vote for what best fits their own personal interests in government. I truly think people who try to nail down every single position to fit what they believe just would never find any candidate.

From 2000-2020 I was a registered Republican and voted Republican quite a bit. The reason I left was from 2008-2016 I saw Obama dominate the Democrat party and just the absolute slavish devotion to him and I laughed like crazy. I continually thought to myself "At least Republicans don't fall into this trap and seemingly have a few more avenues of thought" (again just my perception). But then Trump came along and the Republican party just fell in line behind him allowing themselves to be run over and just kowtowing to everything Trump did and said. Then when the 2018 and 2020 elections were rolling through every single piece of mail I got- even for state elections was- "Donald Trump this...." and "Donald Trump that...." Hell one election was for a House seat and the mailers never even mentioned the candidate's name. It was all just Trump stuff. So in the spring of 2020 I left the Republican party because of the fealty to Trump that was something I mocked incessantly for Democrats doing with Obama. That does not mean I don't vote for certain Republicans yet but on a national level I'm just seeing people afraid to stand on their convictions and just do whatever Trump tells them to do because he bullies them- and that just ain't the way politics is supposed to work. 

 

Now none of that means I will register Democrat because I don't agree with everything they do either

The difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama is a lifelong, polished politician. Trump was not even close to that in 2016. So really, what you felt about Obama was much more indicative of politics as a whole and the democratic party as a whole.  I really don't even believe Trump would be a republican if any independent candidate actually had a chance to win in our pseudo democracy. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,544]

On 7/1/2025 at 8:24 PM, listen2me 23 said:

I appreciate the answer.   Was just asking dooooode.  I understand you couldn't complete answer without "maga" but ill still give you credit.  

I thought it was funny that @Grace Under Pressure's 3 biggest reasons were based on false assertions and 4 other people liked the post.

[TBayXXXVII 2,544]

On 7/1/2025 at 8:55 PM, Frozenbeernuts said:

It's hilarious that liberals think the democrats they vote for care about them in any way.

Democrat party leaders care about 1 thing, 1 thing only, and it's literally their only platform.... "How can we pander/create, victimization, blame it on Republican's, and profit from it".

[Hardcore troubadour 15,400]

Because the ice caps are melting. Melting! We only have 7 years left? 

[Fnord 2,259]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Democrat party leaders care about 1 thing, 1 thing only, and it's literally their only platform.... "How can we pander/create, victimization, blame it on Republican's, and profit from it".

I won't argue that Democrats do this. You act as though this behavior is exclusively the provenance of Democrats, though. That is faaaaar from the truth.

FFS, the BBB that just passed literally waits until after the midterms before blowing up Medicaid to make it look like it wasn't the GOP that pushed it through. 

[seafoam1 3,014]

5 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I won't argue that Democrats do this. You act as though this behavior is exclusively the provenance of Democrats, though. That is faaaaar from the truth.

FFS, the BBB that just passed literally waits until after the midterms before blowing up Medicaid to make it look like it wasn't the GOP that pushed it through. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,544]

2 minutes ago, Fnord said:

I won't argue that Democrats do this. You act as though this behavior is exclusively the provenance of Democrats, though. That is faaaaar from the truth.

FFS, the BBB that just passed literally waits until after the midterms before blowing up Medicaid to make it look like it wasn't the GOP that pushed it through. 

Thank you for proving me right.  

[Fnord 2,259]

20 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Thank you for proving me right.  

My pleasure. Now will you admit that Republicans are just as bad?

[TBayXXXVII 2,544]

On 7/4/2025 at 1:05 PM, Fnord said:

My pleasure. Now will you admit that Republicans are just as bad?

Republicans are bad, never said they weren't.  I've always maintained that there's always 537 azzhats in DC and to specifically call one out, is just being a hypocrite.  That said, they are bad, but not as bad.  The current DNC is the worst political party this planet has ever witnessed.  They are quite possibly the most disgusting people to ever live.

[Fnord 2,259]

15 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Republicans are bad, never said they weren't.  I've always maintained that there's always 537 azzhats in DC and to specifically call one out, is just being a hypocrite.  That said, they are bad, but not as bad.  The current DNC is the worst political party this planet has ever witnessed.  They are quite possibly the most disgusting people to ever live.

This is where you go off the rails. Statements like this are hyperbolic, absurd, untrue, and only add to the malice and division we currently see. The current DNC is worse than the gestapo now? Khmer Rouge? Stalin's communist party? The Italian National Fascists? I'm not calling you stupid, but your statement sure as hell is.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

On 7/3/2025 at 2:56 PM, WhiteWonder said:

what world have you lived in your entire life?  Politics is almost 100% about politicians looking out for themselves and their political future. It's not even really being bullied as much as it is "If I fall in line, this will benefit my career". 

It was not always like that. There are times where people would work towards compromises even if it meant not getting everything. Social media and 24/7 news has made too many politicians worried about how things will be reacted to rather than "Well I can live with this, if this..."

On 7/3/2025 at 3:00 PM, WhiteWonder said:

The difference between Obama and Trump is that Obama is a lifelong, polished politician. Trump was not even close to that in 2016. So really, what you felt about Obama was much more indicative of politics as a whole and the democratic party as a whole.  I really don't even believe Trump would be a republican if any independent candidate actually had a chance to win in our pseudo democracy. 

I was told for years Obama was not a politician and that was why he shouldn't be President. Now he is a lifelong polished politician to some people?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

15 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Republicans are bad, never said they weren't.  I've always maintained that there's always 537 azzhats in DC and to specifically call one out, is just being a hypocrite.  That said, they are bad, but not as bad.  The current DNC is the worst political party this planet has ever witnessed.  They are quite possibly the most disgusting people to ever live.

Not the Nazis? 

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

It was not always like that. There are times where people would work towards compromises even if it meant not getting everything. Social media and 24/7 news has made too many politicians worried about how things will be reacted to rather than "Well I can live with this, if this..."

I was told for years Obama was not a politician and that was why he shouldn't be President. Now he is a lifelong polished politician to some people?

 

To your first point, I will easily say that social media and 24/7 news is the reason you now know how politics actually is. You think it was not always like that because there was not always such a spotlight of scrutiny on these politicians. As outsiders, we were not nearly as privy to their every action.  It's similar to how many of the athletes we all love didn't have to deal with the 24/7 scrutiny that say, Lebron has had to deal with.  If you want to believe there was a 'good ole days" of politics in your lifetime, go ahead. I think it is much more an ignorance is bliss thing. 

 

idk who told you Obama was not a politician. I think he and big mike became celebs to an extent i've not seen before but he was certainly a politician. He may have been green but his entire life had been spent as an attorney and then senator. Maybe I shouldn't say he was polished at the time, since he was young, but he certainly was after a first term. How would he not be a lifelong politician? Is he known for something else?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,400]

There is no Democratic Party anymore.  It’s far left now. Look at how far left old foolish corrupt but moderate Joe Biden went in order to get elected.  

[jerryskids 6,790]

Republicans are the party of married people, more so married people with kids.  Also, straight and widowed men.  Basically, responsible adults who have made good life choices.

Democrats are the party of people who are:  never married, divorced, or living with a partner.  Also, gay men, and straight and gay women.  Basically, unhappy people with no appreciable life wisdom.

Data is below.  The editorials at the end were mine.  There is a graph at the link which shows this as well.

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3. Partisanship by gender, sexual orientation, marital and parental status

Men continue to be more likely than women to associate with the Republican Party.

Partisan affiliation also varies by marital status, with gender differences in party identification apparent among married and unmarried voters.

Sexual orientation is also strongly associated with partisanship among both men and women.

• Among all registered voters, men tilt to the GOP (52% of men identify with or lean toward the Republican Party, 46% to the Democratic Party).
• By a similar margin, women tilt Democratic (51% Democratic, 44% Republican, including leaners).

Marital status

Married men and women are more likely to identify with or lean toward the Republican Party than their unmarried counterparts, with 59% of married men and half of married women oriented toward the GOP.

And while majorities of both men and women voters who have never been married and do not live with a partner align with the Democratic Party, never-married women are particularly likely to do so:

• Women who have never been married are three times as likely to associate with the Democratic Party as with the Republican Party (72% vs. 24%). 
• By a narrower – though still sizable – margin (61% to 37%), never-married men also favor the Democrats.
• Democrats have a substantial advantage among both women and men who live with a partner but are not married, and a narrower edge among those who are divorced or separated.
• Widowed men tilt Republican (55% GOP vs. 44% Democratic, including party leaners), while widowed women are about equally likely to associate with the GOP or Democrats (46% and 47%).

Sexual orientation

Lesbian, gay and bisexual women overwhelmingly identify with or lean toward the Democratic Party over the GOP (83% vs. 12%). Similarly, the Democratic Party enjoys a wide advantage among gay and bisexual men (83% vs. 17%).

Straight men are more likely to associate with the Republican Party than straight women (55% vs. 47%).

Gender and partisanship

The Republican Party has held an edge among men for much of the last 30 years. Although that narrowed somewhat between 2019 and 2021, the GOP advantage has since returned.

While women have consistently been more likely to associate with the Democratic Party over the past several decades, the Democratic edge among women is narrower than it was a few years ago.

Parents are more Republican than voters without children

A slim majority (54%) of fathers of children under age 18 identify with or lean toward the Republican Party, compared with 44% of men who do not have children. There is a nearly identical gap in partisan association between mothers of minor children and women without children.

At all age levels, parents are more Republican-oriented than non-parents. For example, 55% of men ages 35 to 44 who have children under 18 identify with or lean toward the GOP. This compares with about a third (36%) of men of the same age who are not parents.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-gender-sexual-orientation-marital-and-parental-status/

[TBayXXXVII 2,544]

7 hours ago, Fnord said:

This is where you go off the rails. Statements like this are hyperbolic, absurd, untrue, and only add to the malice and division we currently see. The current DNC is worse than the gestapo now? Khmer Rouge? Stalin's communist party? The Italian National Fascists? I'm not calling you stupid, but your statement sure as hell is.

Yes, mental torture is worse than physical.  I thought this was already known.  They actively create victims.  That's a huge problem.  Then, they pander to them and blame someone else.  Meanwhile, they never actually fix the problem... they just move the goalposts.

[TBayXXXVII 2,544]

7 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Not the Nazis? 

Nope.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,400]

13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Yes, mental torture is worse than physical.  I thought this was already known.  They actively create victims.  That's a huge problem.  Then, they pander to them and blame someone else.  Meanwhile, they never actually fix the problem... they just move the goalposts.

Thats what it is. After a while, unless you are a crazy person , it becomes obvious they don’t ever come through.