Israel Gaza thread

[The Real timschochet 6,843]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

Anyone here got a suggestion on what to do?  That removes Hamas, protects Israel, and makes sure they never get attacked again like on Oct 7th?

I see countless complaining about this.   Over and focking over, but no one has a suggestion on what to do.  Hamas must be eliminated...that is not even close to an  option.  So what can be done?

Suggestions please.

First an immediate ceasefire and allow humanitarian aid to go in unabated. Then we’ll see. There’s no easy solution. 

[jonnyutah 293]

4 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Anyone here got a suggestion on what to do?  That removes Hamas, protects Israel, and makes sure they never get attacked again like on Oct 7th?

I see countless complaining about this.   Over and focking over, but no one has a suggestion on what to do.  Hamas must be eliminated...that is not even close to an  option.  So what can be done?

Suggestions please.

Of course hamas can be eliminated. It just means lots of kids will die too. War isnt pretty. The hamastanians shouldnt have started one. 

[TimHauck 2,908]

6 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Of course hamas can be eliminated. It just means lots of kids will die too. War isnt pretty. The hamastanians shouldnt have started one. 

Couldn’t they have done that in a few weeks, and not over 2 years, which probably would have resulted in less civilian casualties than currently despite Hamas not having been eliminated?

[supermike80 1,928]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

First an immediate ceasefire and allow humanitarian aid to go in unabated. Then we’ll see. There’s no easy solution. 

How do we insure the aid is getting to the people that need it and not siphoned off by Hamas leadership(which has been alleged)  Also, the "we'll see" option worked great, right until October 7th.  So that option is off the table.  

Your solutions don't solve the problem.  If you're gonna complain, constantly, offer solutions.   New ones.  Ones that solve the problem.  If I live in Israel, I am not gonna support the "we'll see' mindset knowing what Hamas is capable of and what they have done in the past and have vowed to do again.

[The Real timschochet 6,843]

13 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

How do we insure the aid is getting to the people that need it and not siphoned off by Hamas leadership(which has been alleged)  Also, the "we'll see" option worked great, right until October 7th.  So that option is off the table.  

Your solutions don't solve the problem.  If you're gonna complain, constantly, offer solutions.   New ones.  Ones that solve the problem.  If I live in Israel, I am not gonna support the "we'll see' mindset knowing what Hamas is capable of and what they have done in the past and have vowed to do again.

Well you asked. And YOU might not support it but there are plenty of Israelis who do. They are currently protesting the government in big numbers. 
 

And you’re trivializing humanitarian objections to what Israel is doing by referring to them as “complaints.” Israel is engaging in war crimes. That’s not a complaint. Israel needs to stop committing war crimes no matter what the alternative is or is not. 

[jerryskids 6,829]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, with a credible link of course, but AFAIK no one is preventing UNRWA from providing aid.  Israel/USA are providing it in addition to UNRWA since the aid from UNRWA is corrupt.  

You are correct.  UNRWA is sitting on aid because they care more about GHF failing than helping the Palestinian people.  This is because they are working with Hamas, who wants to control aid distribution.

For Tim and others who weren't aware of UNRWA's involvement with Hamas:

https://unwatch.org/the-unholy-alliance-unrwa-hamas-and-islamic-jihad/

Tim S desperately needs to find significant fault with his people.  That's what good Lefties do.   

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

No they’re not preventing it, they’re just simply shooting anyone who tries to get to it (per the lady from Doctors Without Borders). 

Bless your heart.  Did Hamas Harry tell you that? This has been adjudicated with the other Tim.

How about when food started getting air dropped, and the reaction of the desperate, starving-to-death people was... indignance.  How humiliating$#@!  Really?  That wasn't staged by Hamas Productions?   

[The Real timschochet 6,843]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You are correct.  UNRWA is sitting on aid because they care more about GHF failing than helping the Palestinian people.  This is because they are working with Hamas, who wants to control aid distribution.

For Tim and others who weren't aware of UNRWA's involvement with Hamas:

https://unwatch.org/the-unholy-alliance-unrwa-hamas-and-islamic-jihad/

Tim S desperately needs to find significant fault with his people.  That's what good Lefties do.   

Bless your heart.  Did Hamas Harry tell you that? This has been adjudicated with the other Tim.

How about when food started getting air dropped, and the reaction of the desperate, starving-to-death people was... indignance.  How humiliating$#@!  Really?  That wasn't staged by Hamas Productions?   

No I didn’t get it from Hamas Harry. I got it from NBC News: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna221225

They in turn got it from a host of international organizations and news agencies. Here is the AI generated response from Google: 

In conclusion, while Israel has claimed to facilitate aid delivery and has been involved in some efforts, there is a strong consensus among international organizations and many governments that Israel’s actions have significantly obstructed the entry and distribution of humanitarian aid in Gaza, leading to a catastrophic humanitarian crisis and widespread starvation. 

There you go @jerryskids. If you want to call all of these people liars and leftists and self-hating Jews, I can’t stop you. I won’t try any further to convince you otherwise because it seems to be a futile effort. But I will add that once again nearly every political discussion  in this forum seems to get bogged down in a disagreement over basic facts. And this is what happens when one side makes a deliberate decision to simply reject what the mainstream media is reporting. 

[TimHauck 2,908]

41 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You are correct.  UNRWA is sitting on aid because they care more about GHF failing than helping the Palestinian people.  This is because they are working with Hamas, who wants to control aid distribution.

For Tim and others who weren't aware of UNRWA's involvement with Hamas:

https://unwatch.org/the-unholy-alliance-unrwa-hamas-and-islamic-jihad/

 

I think “working with” and “involved with” Hamas are fair descriptions.  I’d disagree with calling it a “Hamas shill” though.  But even if they were working with Hamas, that doesn’t mean food wasn’t still getting to Palestinian civilians.  

Still, because of the Hamas involvement, in theory the effort to replace them as primary aid providers make sense.  But Netanyahu literally admitted Israel is only giving “minimal” aid, and the reports of starvation deaths are only increasing, so it definitely seems the food situation was better before the GHF got involved.  And spare me “it’s just propaganda to make Israel look bad!”  They still could have tried to blame any starvation on Israel even before the GHF got involved  

 

 

[supermike80 1,928]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Well you asked. And YOU might not support it but there are plenty of Israelis who do. They are currently protesting the government in big numbers. 
 

And you’re trivializing humanitarian objections to what Israel is doing by referring to them as “complaints.” Israel is engaging in war crimes. That’s not a complaint. Israel needs to stop committing war crimes no matter what the alternative is or is not. 

What the hell are you babbling about.   Youre complaining about the situation but are offering no solutions.  Until you can do that, shutup.  Seriously.  It gets old hearing everyone whine about what is happening but not asking what can be done.

[Horseman 2,478]

News Flash:  Tim is a gigantic blowhard.  

[TimHauck 2,908]

9 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

What the hell are you babbling about.   Youre complaining about the situation but are offering no solutions.  Until you can do that, shutup.  Seriously.  It gets old hearing everyone whine about what is happening but not asking what can be done.

I think we can start with the US stopping funding anything other than the humanitarian aid.  

[Strike 5,590]

Just now, TimHauck said:

I think we can start with the US stopping funding anything other than the humanitarian aid.  

That doesn't solve the problem.

[TimHauck 2,908]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

That doesn't solve the problem.

Well for one Netanyahu is currently being emboldened by the fact that we’re supporting him.  Take away his piggy bank and he might actually try to end the war quicker.  Maybe a lot of Gazans still die, but we need the war to end.

I also think it helps “solve” the backlash from Americans, which somehow @jerryskids thinks is making it more difficult to defeat Hamas.  Part of the issue many have is that we’re helping fund this. If we’re no longer funding it, then that takes away that argument at least.

[supermike80 1,928]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

That doesn't solve the problem.

Nooo....It doesn't.  Thats just a knee jerk reaction.  Like I see so much on here.  How does that help get rid of Hamas?  How does that help to stop another October 7th attack?  it doesn't.  All I see is whining and whatever...and no real solutions.  And I am sick of it.  Give me ideas that work.   if you can't do that, then shutup already.

[supermike80 1,928]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well for one Netanyahu is currently being emboldened by the fact that we’re supporting him.  Take away his piggy bank and he might actually try to end the war quicker.  Maybe a lot of Gazans still die, but we need the war to end.

I also think it helps “solve” the backlash from Americans, which somehow @jerryskids thinks is making it more difficult to defeat Hamas.  Part of the issue many have is that we’re helping fund this. If we’re no longer funding it, then that takes away that argument at least.

So, Mr simple solutions, if the war ended today.   Is Israel now safe?  Are they comfortable in their homes knowing the risk of another attack by Hamas is over?

[TimHauck 2,908]

7 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Nooo....It doesn't.  Thats just a knee jerk reaction.  Like I see so much on here.  How does that help get rid of Hamas?  How does that help to stop another October 7th attack?  it doesn't.  All I see is whining and whatever...and no real solutions.  And I am sick of it.  Give me ideas that work.   if you can't do that, then shutup already.

It gives terrorists less motivation to attack the US at least.  And again, I think it also gives Netanyahu motivation to end the war on his own (to your most recent post, I never said to end the war today, I was saying Israel should end it on their own timeline but without our help).  Speaking of which, there has been some speculation that part of the reason Netanyahu is dragging the war out is to avoid his own prosecution, so another option that might help (even if it doesn’t solve everything) is ousting him.

As far as what they can do to end the war, no I don’t know exactly.  I imagine they could probably torture some Hamas dudes to find out where the hostages are, and/or find out where the Hamas leaders are and kill them.  

Of course one option that could help is to give the Palestinians a state, and help them set up a new government that’s not Hamas.

Israel is probably never going to be safe from potential terror attacks, so I don’t think that’s really a reasonable outcome to expect, since it’s been that way since they’ve existed.

[supermike80 1,928]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It gives terrorists less motivation to attack the US at least.  And again, I think it also gives Netanyahu motivation to end the war on his own (to your most recent post, I never said to end the war today, I was saying Israel should end it on their own timeline but without our help).  Speaking of which, there has been some speculation that part of the reason Netanyahu is dragging the war out is to avoid his own prosecution, so another option that might help (even if it doesn’t solve everything) is ousting him.

As far as what they can do to end the war, no I don’t know exactly.  I imagine they could probably torture some Hamas dudes to find out where the hostages are, and/or find out where the Hamas leaders are and kill them.  

Of course one option that could help is to give the Palestinians a state, and help them set up a new government that’s not Hamas.

Israel is probably never going to be safe from potential terror attacks, so I don’t think that’s really a reasonable outcome to expect, since it’s been that way since they’ve existed.

Ok first of all, stop with your conspiracy theories about why he's continuing the war. Unless you have any shred of evidence for this, outside of some twitter post from some nobody who claims to be "in the know" I won't give any credence to that idea.

And yet again, you said a lot of words, and failed to answer the fundamental question.  You keep coming back to stopping the war.  That's your 100% position.  And I ask again,  how can Israel secure a terrorist free life?  I understand 100% is impossible.  But if Hamas is allowed to continue to exist, whether they end the war tomorrow or next week, and they have stated over and over their goal is to destroy Israel, how does that make that country safe?   Stop rambling about nonsense and get back to the fundamental issue.  Hamas brutally attacked innocents in Israel, which they promised they would do---and they have promised they will do it again.  Israel said enough and decided to end this once and for all. 

Just so we are clear, you do understand that Hamas bunkers down in high civilian areas.  Israel gets that information and tries to kill the leaders.   Which leads to civilian casualties, which leads to guys like you screaming "stop the war!" when Israel did exactly what you said, find the leaders and kill them.  

 I am not at all for innocents, on either side, being killed.  I hate it.  I agree humanitarian aid should flow there, if Hamas doesn't siphon any off.   But that still doesn't fix the problem.   How does Israel fix the problem?  Tell me please.   Options.  What you got?

 

[TimHauck 2,908]

9 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Just so we are clear, you do understand that Hamas bunkers down in high civilian areas.  Israel gets that information and tries to kill the leaders.   Which leads to civilian casualties, which leads to guys like you screaming "stop the war!" when Israel did exactly what you said, find the leaders and kill them.  

I also said they should torture them to find the hostages, so maybe they should capture them instead of killing them (+ civilians)

[supermike80 1,928]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I also said they should torture them to find the hostages, so maybe they should capture them instead of killing them (+ civilians)

So you think the fundamental problem with this whole thing is they aren't going in, with personnel, to a hostile area surrounded by the enemy, and just grabbing people and taking them out of there?  That is your fix?

And just getting the hostages back, while noble, doesn't fix the problem does it?

[TimHauck 2,908]

3 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

So you think the fundamental problem with this whole thing is they aren't going in, with personnel, to a hostile area surrounded by the enemy, and just grabbing people and taking them out of there?  That is your fix?

And just getting the hostages back, while noble, doesn't fix the problem does it?

I didn’t say it was the “fundamental problem,” I said that’s an option, which IMO would be better than just shooting first and asking questions later.  Maybe that’s where the US could help by sending in a specialized team.

I don’t know why you guys think people that disagree with what Israel is doing need to have the solution anyway.  Is what they’re doing working?  If not, then yeah, I don’t see what’s wrong with saying “I don’t know what they should be doing, but it’s not this.”

[Strike 5,590]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I didn’t say it was the “fundamental problem,” I said that’s an option, which IMO would be better than just shooting first and asking questions later.  Maybe that’s where the US could help by sending in a specialized team.

I don’t know why you guys think people that disagree with what Israel is doing need to have the solution anyway.  Is what they’re doing working?  If not, then yeah, I don’t see what’s wrong with saying “I don’t know what they should be doing, but it’s not this.”

They're not done with what they're doing yet.  I'll wait until they complete their mission before judging them.  I give a lot of lee way to country's who have been attacked and are defending themself.  If you're going to criticize what they're doing before it's complete you sure as hell ought to have a better plan.

[TimHauck 2,908]

30 minutes ago, Strike said:

They're not done with what they're doing yet.  I'll wait until they complete their mission before judging them.  I give a lot of lee way to country's who have been attacked and are defending themself.  If you're going to criticize what they're doing before it's complete you sure as hell ought to have a better plan.

Have they given an estimate for when it’s going to be “complete”?  It’s been almost 2 years already 

[supermike80 1,928]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Have they given an estimate for when it’s going to be “complete”?  It’s been almost 2 years already 

Is hamas no longer a threat?

[supermike80 1,928]

38 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I didn’t say it was the “fundamental problem,” I said that’s an option, which IMO would be better than just shooting first and asking questions later.  Maybe that’s where the US could help by sending in a specialized team.

I don’t know why you guys think people that disagree with what Israel is doing need to have the solution anyway.  Is what they’re doing working?  If not, then yeah, I don’t see what’s wrong with saying “I don’t know what they should be doing, but it’s not this.”

Is what theyre doing working? Has hamas invaded israel and murdered families?  Nope. So yeah id call that a success so far 

[Strike 5,590]

28 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Have they given an estimate for when it’s going to be “complete”?  It’s been almost 2 years already 

You think country's KNOW when a war is going to end?  ROFLMAO.

[TimHauck 2,908]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

They're not done with what they're doing yet.  I'll wait until they complete their mission before judging them.  I give a lot of lee way to country's who have been attacked and are defending themself.

Can you remind me of your opinion on the Ukraine war again?

[Gepetto 1,372]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Ok first of all, stop with your conspiracy theories about why he's continuing the war. Unless you have any shred of evidence for this, outside of some twitter post from some nobody who claims to be "in the know" I won't give any credence to that idea.

And yet again, you said a lot of words, and failed to answer the fundamental question.  You keep coming back to stopping the war.  That's your 100% position.  And I ask again,  how can Israel secure a terrorist free life?  I understand 100% is impossible.  But if Hamas is allowed to continue to exist, whether they end the war tomorrow or next week, and they have stated over and over their goal is to destroy Israel, how does that make that country safe?   Stop rambling about nonsense and get back to the fundamental issue.  Hamas brutally attacked innocents in Israel, which they promised they would do---and they have promised they will do it again.  Israel said enough and decided to end this once and for all. 

Just so we are clear, you do understand that Hamas bunkers down in high civilian areas.  Israel gets that information and tries to kill the leaders.   Which leads to civilian casualties, which leads to guys like you screaming "stop the war!" when Israel did exactly what you said, find the leaders and kill them.  

 I am not at all for innocents, on either side, being killed.  I hate it.  I agree humanitarian aid should flow there, if Hamas doesn't siphon any off.   But that still doesn't fix the problem.   How does Israel fix the problem?  Tell me please.   Options.  What you got?

 

I'll answer. It ends when every Hamas leader is killed or put on trial and/or imprisoned. Complete new leadership in Gaza is necessary. Like how the Nazis were handled in Germany.

[Gepetto 1,372]

 

[TimHauck 2,908]

50 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Is what theyre doing working? Has hamas invaded israel and murdered families?  Nope. 

Yes they have.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sy0ttfg11jg

https://www.timesofisrael.com/authorities-identify-three-of-four-killed-in-iranian-missile-attack-on-beersheba/

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/08/g-s1-21433/3-israelis-killed-shooting-west-bank-jordan-border-crossing

https://nypost.com/2025/06/14/world-news/iran-fires-another-round-of-missiles-at-israel-and-explosions-are-heard-in-tehran/

That last one is Iran but gotta consider it a result of the current war. 
 

See @jerryskids, I don’t only post links from Hamas Harry…

[supermike80 1,928]

17 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes they have.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sy0ttfg11jg

https://www.timesofisrael.com/authorities-identify-three-of-four-killed-in-iranian-missile-attack-on-beersheba/

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/08/g-s1-21433/3-israelis-killed-shooting-west-bank-jordan-border-crossing

https://nypost.com/2025/06/14/world-news/iran-fires-another-round-of-missiles-at-israel-and-explosions-are-heard-in-tehran/

That last one is Iran but gotta consider it a result of the current war. 
 

See @jerryskids, I don’t only post links from Hamas Harry…

Youre posting missle launches?   Nope.  Bot even close to the carnage unleashed on October 7th.  And i know you know that was my point

[Strike 5,590]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Can you remind me of your opinion on the Ukraine war again?

There are multiple threads (I believe) on that conflict.  You are welcome to go read them if you want to know what I think of that conflict.  All I'll say here is that you won't find my stance on that conflict to be inconsistent with my stance on this conflict and that conflict is much more complicated than this one so comparing the two is difficult.  IOW, you're not going to find a gotcha here.  How about sticking to the topic at hand instead of trying to derail it with one of your gotchas?

[jerryskids 6,829]

6 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

No I didn’t get it from Hamas Harry. I got it from NBC News: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna221225

They in turn got it from a host of international organizations and news agencies. Here is the AI generated response from Google: 

In conclusion, while Israel has claimed to facilitate aid delivery and has been involved in some efforts, there is a strong consensus among international organizations and many governments that Israel’s actions have significantly obstructed the entry and distribution of humanitarian aid in Gaza, leading to a catastrophic humanitarian crisis and widespread starvation. 

There you go @jerryskids. If you want to call all of these people liars and leftists and self-hating Jews, I can’t stop you. I won’t try any further to convince you otherwise because it seems to be a futile effort. But I will add that once again nearly every political discussion  in this forum seems to get bogged down in a disagreement over basic facts. And this is what happens when one side makes a deliberate decision to simply reject what the mainstream media is reporting. 

NBC News got it from Hamas Harry, like the rest of the MSM.  Are you referencing the cystic fibrosis kid gaslighted as starving, or the cerebral palsy kid gaslighted as starving?

UNRWA is sitting on a shiot-ton of aid in Gaza because they won't let IDF escort them in.  Why is that?  You'll probably say that they are afraid that IDF will shoot all of the aid recipients, like the dope from Maryland.

Did you learn anything from my link showing how UNRWA is tied closely to Hamas?  Or did you ignore it because it didn't fit your center-unbiased position?   

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I think “working with” and “involved with” Hamas are fair descriptions.  I’d disagree with calling it a “Hamas shill” though.  But even if they were working with Hamas, that doesn’t mean food wasn’t still getting to Palestinian civilians.  

Still, because of the Hamas involvement, in theory the effort to replace them as primary aid providers make sense.  But Netanyahu literally admitted Israel is only giving “minimal” aid, and the reports of starvation deaths are only increasing, so it definitely seems the food situation was better before the GHF got involved.  And spare me “it’s just propaganda to make Israel look bad!”  They still could have tried to blame any starvation on Israel even before the GHF got involved  

 

 

GHF is giving aid.  UNRWA is sitting on aid, see above, because they won't let IDF escort them.  Because they want to give the aid to Hamas.

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

It gives terrorists less motivation to attack the US at least.  And again, I think it also gives Netanyahu motivation to end the war on his own (to your most recent post, I never said to end the war today, I was saying Israel should end it on their own timeline but without our help).  Speaking of which, there has been some speculation that part of the reason Netanyahu is dragging the war out is to avoid his own prosecution, so another option that might help (even if it doesn’t solve everything) is ousting him.

As far as what they can do to end the war, no I don’t know exactly.  I imagine they could probably torture some Hamas dudes to find out where the hostages are, and/or find out where the Hamas leaders are and kill them.  

Of course one option that could help is to give the Palestinians a state, and help them set up a new government that’s not Hamas.

Israel is probably never going to be safe from potential terror attacks, so I don’t think that’s really a reasonable outcome to expect, since it’s been that way since they’ve existed.

Well, the bolded starts with eliminating Hamas.  And Palestinians have been offered a state multiple times over the past 70 or so years.  The offer is always turned down by whatever shiotbag terrorist organization is elected by the Palestinian people at the time.

Thoughts on the Palestinians being indignant about food being air dropped in?

[Strike 5,590]

https://x.com/NYTimesPR/status/1950311365756817690

Oops.......

[TimHauck 2,908]

Israel won’t allow the media to show images of Gaza from the air during aid drops.  Weird.

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1949888205513478356
 

 

[TimHauck 2,908]

16 hours ago, jerryskids said:

 

Thoughts on the Palestinians being indignant about food being air dropped in?

I agree beggars can’t be choosers, but dropping the aid onto tents that people are living in probably isn’t ideal.

[supermike80 1,928]

53 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Israel won’t allow the media to show images of Gaza from the air during aid drops.  Weird.

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1949888205513478356 
 

 

Not weird at all.  They know there are many of you guys out there screaming on Instagram and twitter etc etc without any real solutions.   And that isnt helping.  So better to limit the amount of emotional, uninformed and worthless opinions

[TimHauck 2,908]

9 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Not weird at all.  They know there are many of you guys out there screaming on Instagram and twitter etc etc without any real solutions.   And that isnt helping.  So better to limit the amount of emotional, uninformed and worthless opinions

Wow.  Sad state we live in when people are OK with government censorship.

[supermike80 1,928]

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Wow.  Sad state we live in when people are OK with government censorship.

Wow is right.  Not my country though so outta my hands.   

[TimHauck 2,908]

Just now, supermike80 said:

Wow is right.  Not my country though so outta my hands.   

Your taxpayer dollars are funding them though.

[supermike80 1,928]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Your taxpayer dollars are funding them though.

Yeah well...   Your tax dollars fund a whole lot of stuff that you have no say in as far as how it's used or what it's used for.  How it works with taxes