Husband of “influencer mom” placed sports bet while 3-year old drowned, won’t be charged

[Strike 5,683]

Just now, nobody said:

If not paying attention to your kid every second of the time you're babysitting is a crime, I'd be in jail for sure.  That being said, I have a pool, and we put a fence up, and I'd also never let a three year old play anywhere near a pool without supervision, so I would need to understand the details of the case.  Did the kid wander outside somehow?  Or did the dad just leave him out in the backyard without adequate protection from the water?   If the kid left the house without the dad knowing, accident.  If the dad left the kid in the backyard with open access to a pool to go chill in the house, I can see a case for negligence pretty easy.

 

I'd say it's negligent either way.  But we're all negligent every day in some way or another.  The question is whether we show some grace and recognize that no one is 100% perfect and while negligent it's one of those things that COULD happen to anyone and as such not worthy of being criminal.  I am of that point of view.  This guy is going to be paying the price for this bit of negligence for the rest of his life.

[TimHauck 2,990]

5 minutes ago, nobody said:

Or did the dad just leave him out in the backyard without adequate protection from the water?   If the dad left the kid in the backyard with open access to a pool to go chill in the house, I can see a case for negligence pretty easy.

 

This is what happened.  He claimed he could see outside from where he was inside.

[nobody 2,706]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

I'd say it's negligent either way.  But we're all negligent every day in some way or another.  The question is whether we show some grace and recognize that no one is 100% perfect and while negligent it's one of those things that COULD happen to anyone and as such not worthy of being criminal.  I am of that point of view.  This guy is going to be paying the price for this bit of negligence for the rest of his life.

The reason I give more grace for the kid wandering outside situation is I think it's more reasonable to assume a three year old isn't going to get through a closed door.  If he left the kid in the backyard, it's only a matter of time before the kid falls in the water.

[nobody 2,706]

Just now, TimHauck said:

This is what happened.  He claimed he could see outside from where he was inside.

I rule negligence and should be prosecuted.

[TimHauck 2,990]

36 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'd say it's negligent either way.  But we're all negligent every day in some way or another.  The question is whether we show some grace and recognize that no one is 100% perfect and while negligent it's one of those things that COULD happen to anyone and as such not worthy of being criminal.  I am of that point of view.  This guy is going to be paying the price for this bit of negligence for the rest of his life.

Weren’t you the guy that wanted Alec Baldwin convicted?

[Strike 5,683]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Weren’t you the guy that wanted Alec Baldwin convicted?

This is the dumbest question you've ever asked me.  Congrats!!!!!  

[SUXBNME 1,537]

44 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is the dumbest question you've ever asked me.  Congrats!!!!!  

I'll bet I can find dumber...

[Strike 5,683]

6 minutes ago, SUXBNME said:

I'll bet I can find dumber...

I don't doubt that he's asked other people dumber questions.  And he may even have done it to me, but this one is up there.  That's all I'm sayin'......

[TimHauck 2,990]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

This is the dumbest question you've ever asked me.  Congrats!!!!!  

So is that a no to my question?   Or do you agree that Alec Baldwin shooting someone with what he thought was a prop gun was a “tragic accident,” not a crime (at least on his part)?

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

If funny to see Strike say we should give them grace while actively rooting for abuelas to be beaten and deported for selling tamales.

[Maximum Overkill 2,074]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Strike say we should give them grace while actively rooting for abuelas to be beaten and deported for selling tamales.

Making up stories again Ronnie? 

[jerryskids 6,891]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Where did I say racism?  If anything it's rich v poor.  If you're wealthy and/or a celebrity you're given certain rights that poor people don't have.

You didn't really say anything except an amorphous allusion to some Leftie cause.  Clicking through your links, the first guy was black and at a decent looking hotel.  The other two we have no conclusive evidence of their race or wealth.  One name sounds middle eastern, the last hispanic.  We don't know their wealth.

That last lady left her kid twice at the pool, unsupervised, to go day drink at the bar.  Somehow you conclude that that is a prosecution of the oppressed.  Fascinating.

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You didn't really say anything except an amorphous allusion to some Leftie cause.  Clicking through your links, the first guy was black and at a decent looking hotel.  The other two we have no conclusive evidence of their race or wealth.  One name sounds middle eastern, the last hispanic.  We don't know their wealth.

That last lady left her kid twice at the pool, unsupervised, to go day drink at the bar.  Somehow you conclude that that is a prosecution of the oppressed.  Fascinating.

So you think that everyone in this country is treated the same?  Lawyers don't matter?

You were never this naive.  Maybe the naivete came with the lowered IQ and loss of the ability to reason.

[jonnyutah 303]

This is why I personally hate the pool covers kids can walk on. 

The protection should be to prevent the kid from being in the backyard without you. 

When you have one of those covers and routinely let your kids play outside around and on it, if you forget you didnt put it back on it doesnt alarm you when you see the kid go outside. 

 

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

FENCE. AROUND. POOL.

It's not that hard people.  fock.

They also make an alarm that goes off if kid falls in.  You just have to care enough to buy it.

[Gladiators 2,000]

We have an automatic cover on our pool.  I'd never go without one.

[jerryskids 6,891]

39 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So you think that everyone in this country is treated the same?  Lawyers don't matter?

You were never this naive.  Maybe the naivete came with the lowered IQ and loss of the ability to reason.

Well, I certainly do feel dumber trying to reply to this non-responsive pablum.  You used to be rational, but you've turned into a blue-haired sky screamer, even on things that have nothing to do with OMB.

Continue blaming society for prosecuting a woman who twice left her kid to day drink at the bar.  Perhaps one day we'll create the new America you want; one without personal responsibility entirely.   

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well, I certainly do feel dumber trying to reply to this non-responsive pablum.  You used to be rational, but you've turned into a blue-haired sky screamer, even on things that have nothing to do with OMB.

Continue blaming society for prosecuting a woman who twice left her kid to day drink at the bar.  Perhaps one day we'll create the new America you want; one without personal responsibility entirely.   

I would suggest you go back and re-read the thread if I thought you could actually understand it.

Instead I'll just summarize for you.  I think that the dad in this thread who let his kid drown should be charged with a crime.  I agree with the crimes charged against the dad who passed out and his kid drowned, and the mom who went to the bar and her kid drowned.  For whatever reason I still don't get, it's the maga posters that want to give the dad a pass here.

There is no excuse for your child drowning in your own pool.  It's a failure of parenting and parents need to be held accountable for it.

[Gepetto 1,382]

48 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I would suggest you go back and re-read the thread if I thought you could actually understand it.

Instead I'll just summarize for you.  I think that the dad in this thread who let his kid drown should be charged with a crime.  I agree with the crimes charged against the dad who passed out and his kid drowned, and the mom who went to the bar and her kid drowned.  For whatever reason I still don't get, it's the maga posters that want to give the dad a pass here.

There is no excuse for your child drowning in your own pool.  It's a failure of parenting and parents need to be held accountable for it.

Held accountable criminally? Why? They lost their own child. They have to live with that. I don't understand why law enforcement, trials, courts need to be involved too. This is different than crummy parents that lock their kid(s) in a room or a cage or fail to feed them and they starve and die. If he was neglectful on purpose and with malice hoped the kid would fall in the pool and die, that would be different.

[Gepetto 1,382]

What about a mom who answers the phone and is distracted for a moment talking and the child falls in the pool and drowns? Is that a crime? Child neglect?

[TimHauck 2,990]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

I don't doubt that he's asked other people dumber questions.  And he may even have done it to me, but this one is up there.  That's all I'm sayin'......

Brady Kiser was far more negligent than Alec Baldwin.

[TimHauck 2,990]

Just now, Gepetto said:

What about a mom who answers the phone and is distracted for a moment talking and the child falls in the pool and drowns? Is that a crime? Child neglect?

A moment?  No.  9 minutes?  Yes.

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

2 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Held accountable criminally? Why? They lost their own child. They have to live with that. I don't understand why law enforcement, trials, courts need to be involved too. This is different than crummy parents that lock their kid(s) in a room or a cage or fail to feed them and they starve and die. If he was neglectful on purpose and with malice hoped the kid would fall in the pool and die, that would be different.

How do you feel about the mom who went to the bar while her kid drowned at the pool?  Or the dad that passed out drunk while his kid was swimming and drowned?

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

1 minute ago, Gepetto said:

What about a mom who answers the phone and is distracted for a moment talking and the child falls in the pool and drowns? Is that a crime? Child neglect?

for a moment?  It takes longer than a moment for a kid to drown in a pool.

[Gepetto 1,382]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

for a moment?  It takes longer than a moment for a kid to drown in a pool.

Long enough to drown. So let's say instead of moment 4 and a half minutes.

[Gepetto 1,382]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

How do you feel about the mom who went to the bar while her kid drowned at the pool?  Or the dad that passed out drunk while his kid was swimming and drowned?

That I would consider child neglect and they should be prosecuted.

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

5 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Long enough to drown. So let's say instead of moment 4 and a half minutes.

If a mom answers her phone and turns her back on the pool while the child drowns for 4.5 mins?  Yes I think there should be some criminal charge there.

[jerryskids 6,891]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

I would suggest you go back and re-read the thread if I thought you could actually understand it.

Instead I'll just summarize for you.  I think that the dad in this thread who let his kid drown should be charged with a crime.  I agree with the crimes charged against the dad who passed out and his kid drowned, and the mom who went to the bar and her kid drowned.  For whatever reason I still don't get, it's the maga posters that want to give the dad a pass here.

There is no excuse for your child drowning in your own pool.  It's a failure of parenting and parents need to be held accountable for it.

A better summary, to my discussion, would be that you look at those two being prosecuted and conclude that society victimizes the oppressed.

[BrahmaBulls 796]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

If funny to see Strike say we should give them grace while actively rooting for abuelas to be beaten and deported for selling tamales.

The guy that beats women?  That's what you support now?

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

Just now, BrahmaBulls said:

The guy that beats women?  That's what you support now?

An abuela is a spanish grandmother, dummy

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

A better summary, to my discussion, would be that you look at those two being prosecuted and conclude that society victimizes the oppressed.

I don't think society victimizes the oppressed, but rather the elites get special treatment.

[BrahmaBulls 796]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

An abuela is a spanish grandmother, dummy

Thanks, victim.  

[nobody 2,706]

1 hour ago, Gepetto said:

Held accountable criminally? Why? They lost their own child. They have to live with that. I don't understand why law enforcement, trials, courts need to be involved too. This is different than crummy parents that lock their kid(s) in a room or a cage or fail to feed them and they starve and die. If he was neglectful on purpose and with malice hoped the kid would fall in the pool and die, that would be different.

Gutterboy is usually a dummy thanks to him trying to be woke, but maybe since this really isn't a wokie topic, he's right here.  You can't leave your kid unattended by a pool.  That's like telling them to go play in traffic.  Almost guaranteed to have something bad happen.

And we punish accidents all the time.  Vehicular manslaughter, negligent homicide.  It's really just a matter of if you think leaving a kid unattended by a pool for several minutes is gross negligence.  I, for one, think it is grossly negligent.  I mean what idiot leaves a 3 year old by a pool unwatched for 9 minutes?  It took the kid what?  two minutes to find a way to fall in?  That's what 3 year olds do.  

[Gepetto 1,382]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

Gutterboy is usually a dummy thanks to him trying to be woke, but maybe since this really isn't a wokie topic, he's right here.  You can't leave your kid unattended by a pool.  That's like telling them to go play in traffic.  Almost guaranteed to have something bad happen.

And we punish accidents all the time.  Vehicular manslaughter, negligent homicide.  It's really just a matter of if you think leaving a kid unattended by a pool for several minutes is gross negligence.  I, for one, think it is grossly negligent.  I mean what idiot leaves a 3 year old by a pool unwatched for 9 minutes?  It took the kid what?  two minutes to find a way to fall in?  That's what 3 year olds do.  

Ok good points. You changed my mind.

[Horseman 2,533]

Darwinism at work in real time. Sterilize him.  

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

2 hours ago, Horseman said:

Darwinism at work in real time. Sterilize him.  

We're all fortunate you can't reproduce.  Darwinism is right

[seafoam1 3,183]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

We're all fortunate you can't reproduce.  Darwinism is right

ok. So you are a dwarf. Why are you lashing out about that? 

[Maximum Overkill 2,074]

5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

If a mom answers her phone and turns her back on the pool while the child drowns for 4.5 mins?  Yes I think there should be some criminal charge there.

How about people who forget and leave their Kids in hot cars? It's not illegal to turn your back on a kid or forget them in a car. Shittt happens, it's horrible. 

Don't you think those people are living with enough pain?? Is jail really going to change anything? 

[nobody 2,706]

So if a parent wants to kill their toddler so they can go live a life of drugs and partying just let them hang out by a pool... Oops, he drowned.  What a terrible accident.  

That's why you prosecute.

[Gepetto 1,382]

21 minutes ago, nobody said:

So if a parent wants to kill their toddler so they can go live a life of drugs and partying just let them hang out by a pool... Oops, he drowned.  What a terrible accident.  

That's why you prosecute.

Casey Anthony was found not guilty by a jury of murder, and of child neglect using a defense of accidental drowning in the pool though, and in this case the prosecutor didn't bring charges because he felt they couldn't prove it..