Husband of “influencer mom” placed sports bet while 3-year old drowned, won’t be charged

[Gepetto 1,382]

Why is this a story? Children drown in home pools often. Parents have to live with the loss. It's on them to keep their own child alive. Not the world's need to know though.

[TimHauck 2,990]

2 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Why is this a story? Children drown in home pools often. Parents have to live with the loss. It's on them to keep their own child alive. Not the world's need to know though.

It should be a much bigger story than a couple getting beat up in a street fight

[Maximum Overkill 2,074]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

It should be a much bigger story than a couple getting beat up in a street fight

Post a story about Kids dying in a hot locked car. That happens far too often. 

"Woman arrested after 2-year-old child locked in hot car in 107-degree weather" 

Lake City child left in hot car, mother arrested | firstcoastnews.com https://share.google/BvHp6bw3KQQdarONx

 

[TimHauck 2,990]

15 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Post a story about Kids dying in a hot locked car. That happens far too often. 

"Woman arrested after 2-year-old child locked in hot car in 107-degree weather" 

Lake City child left in hot car, mother arrested | firstcoastnews.com https://share.google/BvHp6bw3KQQdarONx

 

Yeah I think hot car deaths are probably comparable to what happened here.  But when that happens (like in your link) there are usually charges.  Part of the reason this is more newsworthy IMO is because the dad is not being charged, despite blatant negligence.

Another part of the reason this one is newsworthy IMO is because the mom is somewhat “famous.”  I had heard about it previously, and was initially on board with it being a tragic accident.  But the sports bet thing just came out, and apparently the bet was literally placed at the same time he was in the pool.   Which makes it a lot less of an accident.

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

8 hours ago, Gepetto said:

Why is this a story? Children drown in home pools often. Parents have to live with the loss. It's on them to keep their own child alive. Not the world's need to know though.

What about abuse?  When does it become the world's need to know?

[Maximum Overkill 2,074]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

What about abuse?  When does it become the world's need to know?

You voted to Kill Babies, shut up. 

[MDC 7,546]

Sad story, but I’m wondering why the fact that he was sports betting is relevant vs. any other thing he could have been doing, like taking a dump. I’m not a better or a fan of gambling in general, but it seems like a scorny detail just to make him look worse.

[Strike 5,683]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

Sad story, but I’m wondering why the fact that he was sports betting is relevant vs. any other thing he could have been doing, like taking a dump. I’m not a better or a fan of gambling in general, but it seems like a scorny detail just to make him look worse.

Of course it is, which is why i used the word "distracted" in my post above.  People have gotten distracted for millions of reasons for the entirety of mankind.  And in the past this would have been considered a terrible, preventable tragedy, but not a crime.  But here we are.

[Maximum Overkill 2,074]

8 minutes ago, MDC said:

Sad story, but I’m wondering why the fact that he was sports betting is relevant vs. any other thing he could have been doing, like taking a dump. I’m not a better or a fan of gambling in general, but it seems like a scorny detail just to make him look worse.

Agree, what's the difference.

Most accidents are cell phone related. It's still an accident 

 

[Cdub100 3,946]

I have a pool and it's scary at times. During the summer the safety cover isn't on and I worry about someone falling in with just the normal bubble cover on. 

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

Couple things here, the father lied.  Father said he left him alone for 3-5 minutes, video shows it was 9 minutes with 7 minutes in the water.

Other parents have been charged for their child drowning deaths.  Shareef Smith passed out drunk while child drowns https://www.wesh.com/article/3-year-old-drowning-palm-bay-pool-father-arrested/65543768  Ramy Shokry charged https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/parents-arrested-after-drowning-july-31-2025  Erica Baez charged https://abc7ny.com/post/drowning-death-nyc-mom-indicted-long-island-hotel-erica-baez/13255933/

Then of course not charged would be Olympic Skier Bode Miller or Country artist Granger Smith.

Something something about a 2 tier justice system.

[Maximum Overkill 2,074]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Couple things here, the father lied.  Father said he left him alone for 3-5 minutes, video shows it was 9 minutes with 7 minutes in the water

So what dude, this crap happens everyday. He's probably devastated. What do you want to do, throw him in jail for 50 years?? 

That'll lean him!!! 

[Horseman 2,533]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

What about abuse?  When does it become the world's need to know?

Tiny was abused.  It's all starting to makes sense.  Brain damage early on, stunted growth and all kinds of medical problems.   

Poor little guy.   

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Tiny was abused.  It's all starting to makes sense.  Brain damage early on, stunted growth and all kinds of medical problems.   

Poor little guy.   

Rent free

Could you care less?

[TimHauck 2,990]

32 minutes ago, MDC said:

Sad story, but I’m wondering why the fact that he was sports betting is relevant vs. any other thing he could have been doing, like taking a dump. I’m not a better or a fan of gambling in general, but it seems like a scorny detail just to make him look worse.

I’ve seen some people use that detail to argue to get rid of mobile sports betting, which is stupid. 

But IMO placing the bet (and watching the game that he bet on) is more than just being distracted.   He also admitted to allowing the 3 year old play outside while he wasn’t out there, despite the uncovered pool (which they apparently had a net for but didn’t have in use).    If a normal person had to go take a dump they would bring the kid inside first (or at least put the cover on the pool).

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’ve seen some people use that detail to argue to get rid of mobile sports betting, which is stupid. 

But IMO placing the bet (and watching the game that he bet on) is more than just being distracted.   He also admitted to allowing the 3 year old play outside while he wasn’t out there, despite the uncovered pool (which they apparently had a net for but didn’t have in use).    If a normal person had to go take a dump they would bring the kid inside first (or at least put the cover on the pool).

Getting rid of sports betting because of this is stupid.

Raising awareness much better.

The police recommended charges but prosecutor denied.

[MDC 7,546]

20 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I’ve seen some people use that detail to argue to get rid of mobile sports betting, which is stupid. 

But IMO placing the bet (and watching the game that he bet on) is more than just being distracted.   He also admitted to allowing the 3 year old play outside while he wasn’t out there, despite the uncovered pool (which they apparently had a net for but didn’t have in use).    If a normal person had to go take a dump they would bring the kid inside first (or at least put the cover on the pool).

I’m not saying it is or isn’t negligence, just saying it doesn’t matter what he was distracted with. The fact that it was sports betting is irrelevant.

[Strike 5,683]

Just out of curiosity, those of you who think he should be charged with a crime, would you still think that if nothing bad had happened to the kid but a neighbor noticed the kid near the pool unaccompanied and called the police?  If you do think he should still be charged under those circumstances, why aren't you complaining about Kourtney Kardashian?  

[TimHauck 2,990]

10 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m not saying it is or isn’t negligence, just saying it doesn’t matter what he was distracted with. The fact that it was sports betting is irrelevant.

That’s fine.  Again I think the biggest thing about the bet is that the timestamps prove the negligence.  And as Gutter said the guy lied about it.  IIRC he initially claimed he was simply “connecting with the newborn baby”

[TimHauck 2,990]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Just out of curiosity, those of you who think he should be charged with a crime, would you still think that if nothing bad had happened to the kid but a neighbor noticed the kid near the pool unaccompanied and called the police?  If you do think he should still be charged under those circumstances, why aren't you complaining about Kourtney Kardashian?  

I don’t know the specific laws, but I would say simply leaving your kid outside unattended with an uncovered pool while you’re inside should not itself be a crime.  But if the kid dies, yeah, that’s a problem.

I don’t follow Kourtney Kardashian, did her kid die due to her neglect?  Doing a quick search I see some people complaining that she was holding a kid on a boat that didn’t have a life jacket on.  Please tell me you don’t think that is at all comparable to this.

[Strike 5,683]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t know the specific laws, but I would say simply leaving your kid outside unattended with an uncovered pool while you’re inside should not itself be a crime.  But if the kid dies, yeah, that’s a problem.

I don’t follow Kourtney Kardashian, did her kid die due to her neglect?  Doing a quick search I see some people complaining that she was holding a kid on a boat that didn’t have a life jacket on.  Please tell me you don’t think that is at all comparable to this.

So you only want to prosecute when the end result is bad?  Then we shouldn't prosecute drunk driving unless the driver crashes and does damage or hurts someone.

[TimHauck 2,990]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

So you only want to prosecute when the end result is bad?  Then we shouldn't prosecute drunk driving unless the driver crashes and does damage or hurts someone.

Can you tell me why you brought Kourtney Kardashian into this conversation?

[TBayXXXVII 2,571]

Was mom distracted because she was influencing?

[Strike 5,683]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Can you tell me why you brought Kourtney Kardashian into this conversation?

Look it up.  It's a big story just like this one.

[TimHauck 2,990]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Was mom distracted because she was influencing?

She was not home, Dad was watching the kids.    This guy isn’t helping Dads show they can take care of kids when mom isn’t around.

[TimHauck 2,990]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Look it up.  It's a big story just like this one.

Because she was holding her kid on a boat without a life jacket on? Lol.  That’s literally the complete opposite of what happened here where the Dad was flat out ignoring his kid.

[Strike 5,683]

Just now, TimHauck said:

She was not home, Dad was watching the kids.    This guy isn’t helping Dads show they can take care of kids when mom isn’t around.

Yeah because no Mom EVER was distracted when her kid drowned in a pool.

[TBayXXXVII 2,571]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

She was not home, Dad was watching the kids.    This guy isn’t helping Dads show they can take care of kids when mom isn’t around.

LOL, thanks.  My post was a joke.

[Strike 5,683]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Because she was holding her kid on a boat without a life jacket on? Lol.  That’s literally the complete opposite of what happened here where the Dad was flat out ignoring his kid.

It may seem ok but had they gone in to the drink there's no way she saves her kid.  It's fools gold thinking that kid was safe.   Hence the coast guard guidance that says the kid should have a life vest on, and her acknowledging her negligence publicly.

[TimHauck 2,990]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

It may seem ok but had they gone in to the drink there's no way she saves her kid.  It's fools gold thinking that kid was safe.  

I’d give her a better chance than a guy that’s not even paying attention

[Strike 5,683]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I’d give her a better chance than a guy that’s not even paying attention

Yeah, ok.  That's the problem with you libs.  Lack of consistency and being ruled by emotion.

[jerryskids 6,891]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

Couple things here, the father lied.  Father said he left him alone for 3-5 minutes, video shows it was 9 minutes with 7 minutes in the water.

Other parents have been charged for their child drowning deaths.  Shareef Smith passed out drunk while child drowns https://www.wesh.com/article/3-year-old-drowning-palm-bay-pool-father-arrested/65543768  Ramy Shokry charged https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/parents-arrested-after-drowning-july-31-2025  Erica Baez charged https://abc7ny.com/post/drowning-death-nyc-mom-indicted-long-island-hotel-erica-baez/13255933/

Then of course not charged would be Olympic Skier Bode Miller or Country artist Granger Smith.

Something something about a 2 tier justice system.

 

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In Arizona, criminal charges against parents in child drowning cases are rare. 

However, charges are possible, particularly in cases involving evidence of abuse or criminal negligence, defined as failing to recognize or address a substantial risk that a reasonable person would have identified and prevented. 

In the case of Trigg Kiser, for example, police recommended a felony child abuse charge against the father, though prosecutors ultimately decided against it due to a lack of reasonable likelihood of conviction. 

It's important to note that drowning is a leading cause of accidental death for young children in Arizona, with 31 drowning deaths in 2023. A lack of supervision is a significant contributing factor, according to www.yahoo.com. 

Link supporting first sentence:  https://www.yahoo.com/news/often-parents-face-charges-child-225804424.html

Gutter finds a few examples of POC getting charged and concludes racism.  A Leftie hack never lets a good tragedy go to waste.   

[Ron_Artest 1,658]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

Link supporting first sentence:  https://www.yahoo.com/news/often-parents-face-charges-child-225804424.html

Gutter finds a few examples of POC getting charged and concludes racism.  A Leftie hack never lets a good tragedy go to waste.   

Where did I say racism?  If anything it's rich v poor.  If you're wealthy and/or a celebrity you're given certain rights that poor people don't have.

[TimHauck 2,990]

28 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yeah, ok.  That's the problem with you libs.  Lack of consistency and being ruled by emotion.

What are the odds a kid on a boat that’s being held by his mom falls in the water?  Do you agree it’s exponentially less than the odds a kid in a backyard by himself falls in an uncovered pool?

[TheNewGirl 1,527]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

Sad story, but I’m wondering why the fact that he was sports betting is relevant vs. any other thing he could have been doing, like taking a dump. I’m not a better or a fan of gambling in general, but it seems like a scorny detail just to make him look worse.

There are also quite a few states that are trying to outlaw sports betting (including fantasy football) and online gaming. CA is one of them. 

This is just another way for them to say that sports betting causes child deaths. 

It's a bit of a reach IMO, but it will likely be used as an example by some lawmaker at some point. This is what they do. 

[Strike 5,683]

22 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What are the odds a kid on a boat that’s being held by his mom falls in the water?  Do you agree it’s exponentially less than the odds a kid in a backyard by himself falls in an uncovered pool?

I don't have those stats.  Do you?  Not that it matters.  My stance is that this was a tragic accident, and I would feel the same way if it happened to Kourtney Kardashian on a boat.  I also believe you punish the behavior, not the outcome as you believe, something you notably ignored from my previous post.  So my stance is consistent; yours is not.  You want to selectively punish people based on some unknown criteria, which is the typical liberal response.  But it makes it hard for people in society to know what/when they will be charged over tragic accidents.

[TimHauck 2,990]

13 minutes ago, Strike said:

I don't have those stats.  Do you?  Not that it matters.  My stance is that this was a tragic accident, and I would feel the same way if it happened to Kourtney Kardashian on a boat.  I also believe you punish the behavior, not the outcome as you believe, something you notably ignored from my previous post.  So my stance is consistent; yours is not.  You want to selectively punish people based on some unknown criteria, which is the typical liberal response.  But it makes it hard for people in society to know what/when they will be charged over tragic accidents.

The boy drowning wasn’t just an accident.  It was negligence.  The police agreed, but the prosecutor thought it’d be too hard to prove it.  Your stance is not consistent, because Kourtney Kardashian quite literally holding her child is the opposite of what Brady Kiser was doing with the 3 year old.

[nobody 2,706]

If not paying attention to your kid every second of the time you're babysitting is a crime, I'd be in jail for sure.  That being said, I have a pool, and we put a fence up, and I'd also never let a three year old play anywhere near a pool without supervision, so I would need to understand the details of the case.  Did the kid wander outside somehow?  Or did the dad just leave him out in the backyard without adequate protection from the water?   If the kid left the house without the dad knowing, accident.  If the dad left the kid in the backyard with open access to a pool to go chill in the house, I can see a case for negligence pretty easy.

 

[Strike 5,683]

Just now, TimHauck said:

The boy drowning wasn’t just an accident.  It was negligence.  The police agreed, but the prosecutor thought it’d be too hard to prove it.  Your stance is not consistent, because Kourtney Kardashian quite literally holding her child is the opposite of what Brady Kiser was doing with the 3 year old.

If it was negligence when the kid drowned it was negligence BEFORE he drowned, just dumb luck that he hadn't drowned up to that point.  And that's what he would be charged with, not murder or anything like that.  But you said above that you would ONLY charge him IF the kid died.  Hence the inconsistency of the liberal position.  The negligence in the Kardashian case is that the kid wasn't wearing a life vest.  While she was tending to him, she was putting him in an unsafe position just like the father did leaving his kid outside near the pool unattended.   My stance is 100% consistent.  Yours isn't.

[nobody 2,706]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The boy drowning wasn’t just an accident.  It was negligence.  The police agreed, but the prosecutor thought it’d be too hard to prove it.  Your stance is not consistent, because Kourtney Kardashian quite literally holding her child is the opposite of what Brady Kiser was doing with the 3 year old.

It's negligent to ignore boat safety laws and not put your kid in a vest whether you're holding the kid or not.