Trump goes to Russia to meet Putin

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

So the fact that I said I want a ceasefire and I want peace makes you think I don't want a ceasefire and don't want

Now you're just being your typical assshole self. Trump has NEVER been a war monger like the Democrats. He's always spoken out against war and long before he was a President. 

He wasn't the President when Biden let Russian troops amass at the Ukrainian border. Biden knew damn well that Putin was going to invade Russia and didn't do a damn thing to stop it or prepare Ukraine for it at the time. Biden just watched and let it unfold. 

Now you want Trump to stop it mid-war? As if this is all Trump's fault??? You people didn't say one damn word about Biden stopping the War his whole Presidency, now you care. How convenient! You should praise Trump for trying to end this war, nobody else is. 

@TimHauck @Sandy Loam @The Real timschochet @thegeneral @Ron_Artest

[Dizkneelande 1,107]

54 minutes ago, shadrap said:

Trump is trying to save lives.  Russian & Ukrainian lives. He doesn't have to be doing this. So jackwagons here are framing it as TRUMP FAILS.  HUGE win for our SIDE!!!!!  It is not our war to win or lose.  The only thing we gain is not having to fund the damn thing.  I doubt a deal gets done because Russia doesn't want a deal done.  so sure I guess you can say Trump failed in this summit, but he is trying.  A lot more effort expended by Trump than anything previous.

some seriously deranged TDS going on here.

They are so deranged they think a 5’4 drunk brown lady in a baggy pantsuit would have been a better option. 

[Horseman 2,559]

9 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

There is no agreement you idiot.  The war rages on.  Trump failed.

I was just repeating what Putin, several inches taller than you, said. He said that, that is a fact. 

Now your tiny brain won't accept that any agreements were made unless the war is stopped and Ukraine gets all their land back, because you're a simpleton.  The fact that you thought there was going to be an end to the war without Ukraine even in the room proves how far your TDS has deteriorted you.  I'd suggest you go argue with TimHauck if you can't stop hyperventilating enough to read and understand simple facts.  He's more your level.  

[Horseman 2,559]

1 hour ago, shadrap said:

Trump is trying to save lives.  Russian & Ukrainian lives. He doesn't have to be doing this. So jackwagons here are framing it as TRUMP FAILS.  HUGE win for our SIDE!!!!!  It is not our war to win or lose.  The only thing we gain is not having to fund the damn thing.  I doubt a deal gets done because Russia doesn't want a deal done.  so sure I guess you can say Trump failed in this summit, but he is trying.  A lot more effort expended by Trump than anything previous.

some seriously deranged TDS going on here.

Good post. 

I agree with everything except I don't think a deal will get done because Ukraine doesn't want a deal done.  Tiny Z won't agree to anything that concedes any land.  Now Putin may have been lying about everything he said yesterday too, but, he at least came off as he was willing to stop with concessions from Ukraine and the US.   Every time Tiny Z opens his mouth he's crying and complaining and begging for more 

[TimHauck 3,006]

13 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I was just repeating what Putin, several inches taller than you, said. He said that, that is a fact. 

Now your tiny brain won't accept that any agreements were made unless the war is stopped and Ukraine gets all their land back, because you're a simpleton.  The fact that you thought there was going to be an end to the war without Ukraine even in the room proves how far your TDS has deteriorted you.  I'd suggest you go argue with TimHauck if you can't stop hyperventilating enough to read and understand simple facts.  He's more your level.  

Man I live rent free in your head.  Go fall for some more fake news, dummy 

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

19 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I was just repeating what Putin, several inches taller than you, said. He said that, that is a fact. 

Now your tiny brain won't accept that any agreements were made unless the war is stopped and Ukraine gets all their land back, because you're a simpleton.  The fact that you thought there was going to be an end to the war without Ukraine even in the room proves how far your TDS has deteriorted you.  I'd suggest you go argue with TimHauck if you can't stop hyperventilating enough to read and understand simple facts.  He's more your level.  

Actually, I believe you're right. It's quite likely that there was an agreement as Putin said. And the agreement is Putin gets to continue the war as he sees fit and Trump agreed to sit down shut up about it.

This is the exact opposite of trumps goal going in for a ceasefire. A brutal loss for Trump

[TimHauck 3,006]

1 hour ago, shadrap said:

Trump is trying to save lives.  Russian & Ukrainian lives. He doesn't have to be doing this. So jackwagons here are framing it as TRUMP FAILS.  HUGE win for our SIDE!!!!!  It is not our war to win or lose.  The only thing we gain is not having to fund the damn thing.  I doubt a deal gets done because Russia doesn't want a deal done.  so sure I guess you can say Trump failed in this summit, but he is trying.  A lot more effort expended by Trump than anything previous.

some seriously deranged TDS going on here.

He’s trying lol.  Imagine the response from GC righties if let’s say RealTim, said something like “but Biden was trying!”

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

17 hours ago, Horseman said:

Putin gets into the beast to ride with the BOSS. 

ALPHA MOVE

 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,994]

People getting hung up on the red carpet thing is silly. Of course you try to make the person feel special coming in. You are trying to broker a deal for peace and basically just being standoffish from the beginning would be foolish.

 

Now- the real thing to hammer is how nothing was accomplished here. That is well within the bounds of criticism. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

People getting hung up on the red carpet thing is silly. Of course you try to make the person feel special coming in. You are trying to broker a deal for peace and basically just being standoffish from the beginning would be foolish.

 

Now- the real thing to hammer is how nothing was accomplished here. That is well within the bounds of criticism. 

He wasn't the President when Biden let Russian troops amass at the Ukrainian border. Biden knew damn well that Putin was going to invade Russia and didn't do a damn thing to stop it or prepare Ukraine for it at the time. Biden just watched and let it unfold. 

Now you want Trump to stop it mid-war? As if this is all Trump's fault??? You people didn't say one damn word about Biden stopping the War his whole Presidency, now you care. How convenient! You should praise Trump for trying to end this war, nobody else is. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,204]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

People getting hung up on the red carpet thing is silly. Of course you try to make the person feel special coming in. You are trying to broker a deal for peace and basically just being standoffish from the beginning would be foolish.

Now- the real thing to hammer is how nothing was accomplished here. That is well within the bounds of criticism. 

Yeah, the red carpet thing is simply absurd.  One way to make sure nothing gets accomplished it to be rude and uncivil to the parties involved.  Imagine if Roosevelt was rude and uncivil to Stalin back in WW2. 

As far as nothing being accomplished - well, these things take time and you won't always succeed the first, second or maybe even third time but that doesn't mean you stop having them.  If at first you don't succeed, get up and try again.  Expecting everything to go perfect every single time is a standard no one can meet.

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

People getting hung up on the red carpet thing is silly. Of course you try to make the person feel special coming in. You are trying to broker a deal for peace and basically just being standoffish from the beginning would be foolish.

 

Now- the real thing to hammer is how nothing was accomplished here. That is well within the bounds of criticism. 

There is a difference between being standoffish and submissive.  Trump was submissive.  He could have shown strength and been commanding while still showing a modicum of respect for a war criminal.  Instead he bent the knee and groveled to him, and as a result he got nothing in return.  He doesn't know how to deal with Putin.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,204]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

There is a difference between being standoffish and submissive.  Trump was submissive.  He could have shown strength and been commanding while still showing a modicum of respect for a war criminal.  Instead he bent the knee and groveled to him, and as a result he got nothing in return.  He doesn't know how to deal with Putin.

Or, conversely, you're just a hysterical anti-Trump ret@rd that can't get out of his own head.  I think that's the more likely thing going on here.

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

He doesn't know how to deal with Putin.

Did Biden? Because he had every chance to stop this war. 

[Sean Mooney 1,994]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Yeah, the red carpet thing is simply absurd.  One way to make sure nothing gets accomplished it to be rude and uncivil to the parties involved.  Imagine if Roosevelt was rude and uncivil to Stalin back in WW2. 

As far as nothing being accomplished - well, these things take time and you won't always succeed the first, second or maybe even third time but that doesn't mean you stop having them.  If at first you don't succeed, get up and try again.  Expecting everything to go perfect every single time is a standard no one can meet.

I don't know....a few guys in here felt it was accomplished yesterday. 

Those people are idiots. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,204]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

I don't know....a few guys in here felt it was accomplished yesterday. 

Those people are idiots. 

Well, I won't call it a "success" until the war actually ends but, again, that doesn't mean you stop trying.  If having this meeting moved the needle in the direction of it ending soon, then maybe we can say it was a small success but no one can claim victory until this ends.

[Sean Mooney 1,994]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, I won't call it a "success" until the war actually ends but, again, that doesn't mean you stop trying.  If having this meeting moved the needle in the direction of it ending soon, then maybe we can say it was a small success but no one can claim victory until this ends.

Right...but that also means you can critique it until something actually changes

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,204]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

Right...but that also means you can critique it until something actually changes

Yes, for sure, but calling it an "absolute victory" or an "absolute failure" is not really how these things work.  It takes time to get to the ultimate goal and sometimes you take two steps forward, sometimes it's two steps back but as long as you're moving in the right direction - no matter how slight - it's still progress.  Maybe that's the better term - "progress".

Some people won't ever give Trump credit and some people always give Trump credit.  That's partisan hooey.  It's small steps.  You miss 100% of the shots you don't take so I give Trump credit for at least trying to move the needle.

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

25 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Did Biden? Because he had every chance to stop this war. 

Biden did not host Putin, legitimize him, give him a photo op, kiss his ass, etc.

So yeah Biden knew how to deal with a murderous dictator.  Supply weapons to fight him.

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

27 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Or, conversely, you're just a hysterical anti-Trump ret@rd that can't get out of his own head.  I think that's the more likely thing going on here.

If Biden did what trump did yesterday you would be going ballistic.

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Biden did not host Putin, legitimize him, give him a photo op, kiss his ass, etc.

So yeah Biden knew how to deal with a murderous dictator.  Supply weapons to fight him.

So what did Biden do to help end this war??  He was scared of Putin, not to mention full blown demented. He probably had no idea who Putin was. 

 

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

So what did Biden do to help end this war??  He was scared of Putin, not to mention full blown demented. He probably had no idea who Putin was. 

 

He armed Ukraine and sanctioned Russia.

What did trump do to stop the war?

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

He armed Ukraine and sanctioned Russia

And that did what??? Get more people killed? 

Arming a country for war is not creating peace. Even you would agree 

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

Just now, Maximum Overkill said:

And that did what??? Get more people killed? 

Arming a country for war is not creating peace. Even you would agree 

What's the alternative?  Let Putin murder every Ukrainian?  That's what you want?

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

What's the alternative?  Let Putin murder every Ukrainian?  That's what you want?

How about diffusing it before it starts? Biden did nothing and you know it. He didn't even try 

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said:

How about diffusing it before it starts? Biden did nothing and you know it. He didn't even try 

How do you do that?

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

How do you do that?

You yourself just said that Biden refused to meet with Putin or arrange a sit down. 

[TimHauck 3,006]

12 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

If Biden did what trump did yesterday you would be going ballistic.

Zero doubt 

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Zero doubt 

No,. because at least it's something. The Democrats never once tried to stop this war. 

Prove me wrong 

[thegeneral 3,301]

2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

 

Now you want Trump to stop it mid-war?

“I can stop this war in 24 hours, it will be so easy” -DJT

[Sandy Loam 218]

So Trump's plan is for Russia to keep what is occupied and for Ukraine to give up unoccupied land in exchange for Russia signing a meaningless agreement that it won't attack Ukraine or Europe. Never mind that this invasion broke a similar agreement. 

It is clear that Putin put Trump over his knee and spanked his ass silly.

So Ukraine gives up even more land? Ridiculous.

[Sandy Loam 218]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/08/16/world/trump-putin-meeting-alaska?smid=nytcore-android-share

[cyclone24 1,926]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Trump wants a peace prize.  He doesn't care about saving lives based on every other action he has taken.

Trump also loves attention and this garnered a lot of it

Just pure gibberish with no factual piece to it whatsoever

[cyclone24 1,926]

4 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

So Trump's plan is for Russia to keep what is occupied and for Ukraine to give up unoccupied land in exchange for Russia signing a meaningless agreement that it won't attack Ukraine or Europe. Never mind that this invasion broke a similar agreement. 

It is clear that Putin put Trump over his knee and spanked his ass silly.

So Ukraine gives up even more land? Ridiculous.

Let’s try this angle. Fine let them keep fighting. Russia kills every single one of them and takes over all of their land. 
 

We are not getting involved. Other countries don’t want to get involved. By all means genius solve the problem. 

[Sandy Loam 218]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Just pure gibberish with no factual piece to it whatsoever

Except these facts.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/trump-told-norwegian-minister-he-wants-nobel-prize-newspaper-says-2025-08-14/

[Maximum Overkill 2,096]

6 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

Russia to keep what is occupied

What's the alternative? American boots on the ground to beat the mighty Russian empire? 

How do you see this ending?? 

[Ron_Artest 1,674]

35 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You yourself just said that Biden refused to meet with Putin or arrange a sit down. 

I never said that

[Sandy Loam 218]

2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Let’s try this angle. Fine let them keep fighting. Russia kills every single one of them and takes over all of their land. 
 

We are not getting involved. Other countries don’t want to get involved. By all means genius solve the problem. 

Trump said he would end the war Day 1 and didn't. He gave some two-week ultimatum that came and went. He said he would be angry and severe punishment would ensue if he didn't get a ceasefire during the summit, which he didn't. He said the meeting was very productive, with many points of agreement 

And now Russia concedes nothing while keeping what it occupied and getting even more land?

You call that strong leadership? Trump is a weak-kneed clown who just got exposed for the gutless, ass-kissing sissy that he is. 

This is going down exactly as Tim called it.

[TimHauck 3,006]

9 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Let’s try this angle. Fine let them keep fighting. Russia kills every single one of them and takes over all of their land. 
 

We are not getting involved. Other countries don’t want to get involved. By all means genius solve the problem. 

Other countries will get involved when Russia attacks them next.  Which would cause us to get involved 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,204]

12 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Let’s try this angle. Fine let them keep fighting. Russia kills every single one of them and takes over all of their land. 
 

We are not getting involved. Other countries don’t want to get involved. By all means genius solve the problem. 

Yeah, I don't know why he expects Trump to solve this issue and get back all of the land for Ukraine when Biden nor Obama did Jack s***. In fact, they're the ones that got us into this mess in the first place. 

But, yes, by all means blame Trump. What a f****** moron.