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1 hour ago, Fnord said:

I have several jokes queued up in response to the bolded, but I'll leave it alone since this is a decent discussion. This fact has always fascinated me. What are we capable of if we used 50% of our brain power? 80%? Vision into different plains of existence/dimensions? Telepathy? Ability to communicate across time/space?

It all sounds dumb, like a comic book for 9 year olds. But again, humans don't know fuckall, and I'm comfortable with that despite wanting the answers.

I did a quick google while writing this, and found that we are wrong and humans use their whole brain, or at least every region of it. Dammit. There go my dreams of solving interdimensional travel. But I concede that a PhD student in MIT's Dept. of Brain and Cognitive Science might know more than I do about the subject.

I recently saw where the we only use 10% of our brain was a myth. Then I go on social media and think 10% may be an overestimate. 😁

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On 8/16/2025 at 7:24 AM, The Elevator Killer said:

So we all know about the Goldie Locks section of the solar system. Earth is in just the right place to host life. Also you know that galaxies also have Goldie Lock sections. You get too close to the center and it's too crowded. Things slamming into each other. Things like supernovas and Pulsars wiping out nearby planets in other solar systems. You get too far out and there are not enough heavy elements to create rocky plants. So that takes out a lot of stars in the galaxy that can host life. 

OK TEK, but that still leaves a lot of stars in the Goldie locks section. Fair enough. But let's look at what those need to host life. 

First a planet needs a rotating liquid center to create a magnetic field to protect it from it's stars radiation. Then you need a moon to stabilize the wobble of its axis. That moon needs to be the right size and in the right place to do this. 

Then lets look at the planets themselves. We are mostly finding super Earths. The problem with these is that if life evolves, the gravity of that planet is much heavier than the Earths, making very difficult if not impossible for life to reach space. This will slow down it's science. The energy to break free from it's own atmosphere is just too great. There may be intelligent life, but it's not going anywhere. 

Now lets look at the Great Filters for life. The first life on earth were single cell organisms that created our oxygen atmosphere. The problem was they couldn't survive in an oxygen atmosphere. But somewhere along the way the absorbed a protein that let them survive it. That's just one Great Filter. There are probably others. 

But TEK what about UFOs? The government is even admitting they are real. OK. Well let's look at that. 

I find it suspicious that suddenly the government is going from FAKE NEWS to ok we are seeing things. Suddenly whistleblowers are not being prosecuted. And it's interesting that they all seem to come from a counter intelligence background. Can you say FAULSE FLAG operation? 

But lets say it's not. So where are these things coming from? Other planets. Not likely. The distance and energy it takes to reach another star system to great. If the speed of light is really the fastest anything can go then the time it takes to cross the vast distances between stars makes me wonder why a super intelligent species would bother to do so. I would think they would do something better with its resources than to look at a bunch of monkeys with nuclear power. Unless they see us as a threat, which in unlikely. If they are real most likely they would be interdimensional. 

I appreciate the post.  However, these arguments are essentially based on the possibility of human life elsewhere or life as we know it.  Other forms entirely different from humanity may exist.  In fact, it may exist unbeknownst to us right here on earth.

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This is a great thread. 

Space is something that has always fascinated me. How we got here, how we evolved from one cell organisms, how when you break our bodies down into the most basic compounds; minerals, we are made of the stuff found in stars and other planets. I've read a few books from Carl Sagan, things about evolution (Eve by Cat Bohannon is amazing). I'm currently reading a book about the discovery of the human genome and how we've come to know so much about it just in the last 75 tears.  

In terms of the "ghost" thing (since I am just catching up), I also believe there is more to what we can actually see, feel, hear out there. I've had a few experiences myself that lead me to believe that there's something out there. My mother, grandmother, and great-grandmother also had several experiences, so I am of the belief that it's something inherited. Whether that's a sixth sense or something specific in the brain, I don't know. 

Now, the whole Creator, lucky, miracle thing...I am not so sold on. I myself have had experiences where "had I turned the wheel of the car one way, I would be dead." And things like that. Miracle? Meh. Last minute choice that my brain took less that a second to turn the wheel left instead of right? That might just be chance. Our brains are always looking for an answer to things, and we love to play scenarios in our heads where things make sense to us. The neurons in your brain are made to bring happiness, fluidity, etc. We hate confusion. Needing an answer to creation is something that we needed to do as a race. 

Why did we go from having several Gods that belonged to the Romans to just one Christian God? I think Ricky Gervais explained it perfectly on Colbert. If you destroyed all evidence of Bibles, Gods, stories passed down, our brains would NEED to have some kind of new creation theory. But, the thing that always remains true are things like math and science. 

Is there something larger out there that we will likely never understand or have concrete answers to? IMO, yes. 

I've yet to see something, ANYTHING that would lead me to believe in miracles. 

My mother has been slowly dying and fading away for the last 2.5 years. She lost the ability to get out of bed, speak, or communicate in ANY way about 2 years ago. She eats pureed food. Her body is folded and stiff due to Parkinson's and strokes. She's only 72. Any God that puts one of his children through that, not to mention the others around her that love and literally are part of her. That piece of "God" never makes sense to me. A miracle to me right now would be that God finally calls her home and ends all of this. 

 

ETA: In terms of life on other planets; we assume that they are carbon based life forms. There are likely elements out there that we haven't discovered yet that these other life forms use in some way. 

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2 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

I appreciate the post.  However, these arguments are essentially based on the possibility of human life elsewhere or life as we know it.  Other forms entirely different from humanity may exist.  In fact, it may exist unbeknownst to us right here on earth.

I looked for a Mind Blown emoji, but there's not one. Anyway Mind Blown. 

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Just now, The Elevator Killer said:

I looked for a Mind Blown emoji, but there's not one. Anyway Mind Blown. 

A lot of folks think the lizard people are real. I used to enjoy reading David Icke until he unleashed that little gem.

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4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

A lot of folks think the lizard people are real. I used to enjoy reading David Icke until he unleashed that little gem.

I just looked at all the things I had seen and it kind of hit me that maybe life is not as abundant as we thought. It's not a hill I'm looking to die on. I've learned a lot in this thread. Which is what I was hoping for. Lizard people? I live in Florida. Florida Man may not look like a lizard, but....😀

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1 hour ago, The Elevator Killer said:

I looked for a Mind Blown emoji, but there's not one. Anyway Mind Blown. 

Cool.  I don’t know if you’re being facetious, but take the wind for example.  Perhaps wind is a type of organism.  We breathe in oxygen and expel carbon dioxide to live.  Maybe there is an undiscovered symbiosis between us and the air.  Is the air an organism that depends on humans to remove it’s oxygen in order for it to survive?  Maybe stone is alive in a sense that’s undetectable to humans, but every bit as much alive as we are.  Certainly we do not know everything about matter and energy.  We filter everything through the lens of human life, but we don’t have to.

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1 hour ago, TheNewGirl said:

This is a great thread.

ETA: In terms of life on other planets; we assume that they are carbon based life forms. There are likely elements out there that we haven't discovered yet that these other life forms use in some way. 

Precisely.

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I think it would be foolish to discount the possibility of unlocking more brain power and/or discovering something new in the brain based on a scan that shows synapses firing everywhere.

But to be clear the discussion was what is more likely to explain the feeling you have being watched. Or I'll throw out a new one: Recovering from terminally ill stage 4 cancer. I'd rank the possibilities as 

1- Outlier, random event that is rare in the universe.

2- The power of positive thinking.  

3- Miracle from a supernatural being. 

Saw a show where a guy had like 6 months to live. He retired to a village in Italy and was alive 10 years later. Probably just the reduction in mental stress alone. 

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19 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Cool.  I don’t know if you’re being facetious, but take the wind for example.  Perhaps wind is a type of organism.  We breathe in oxygen and expel carbon dioxide to live.  Maybe there is an undiscovered symbiosis between us and the air.  Is the air an organism that depends on humans to remove it’s oxygen in order for it to survive?  Maybe stone is alive in a sense that’s undetectable to humans, but every bit as much alive as we are.  Certainly we do not know everything about matter and energy.  We filter everything through the lens of human life, but we don’t have to.

Not at all. It got me thinking. 🤔

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28 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Cool.  I don’t know if you’re being facetious, but take the wind for example.  Perhaps wind is a type of organism.  We breathe in oxygen and expel carbon dioxide to live.  Maybe there is an undiscovered symbiosis between us and the air.  Is the air an organism that depends on humans to remove it’s oxygen in order for it to survive?  Maybe stone is alive in a sense that’s undetectable to humans, but every bit as much alive as we are.  Certainly we do not know everything about matter and energy.  We filter everything through the lens of human life, but we don’t have to.

EYWA HAS HEARD YOUUUUUUU! 

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1 hour ago, Horseman said:

I think it would be foolish to discount the possibility of unlocking more brain power and/or discovering something new in the brain based on a scan that shows synapses firing everywhere.

But to be clear the discussion was what is more likely to explain the feeling you have being watched. Or I'll throw out a new one: Recovering from terminally ill stage 4 cancer. I'd rank the possibilities as 

1- Outlier, random event that is rare in the universe.

2- The power of positive thinking.  

3- Miracle from a supernatural being. 

Saw a show where a guy had like 6 months to live. He retired to a village in Italy and was alive 10 years later. Probably just the reduction in mental stress alone. 

Less stress and not so much processed food. 

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On 8/16/2025 at 9:30 AM, The Elevator Killer said:

What do you think about the theory that we are in a black hole? 

Sorry, just caught this now.  I don't know how I fee about that, TBH.  So many things we don't know that I can't completely rule it out.

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3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Sorry, just caught this now.  I don't know how I fee about that, TBH.  So many things we don't know that I can't completely rule it out.

What I watched said the physics work, but it's still out there for me. 

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13 minutes ago, The Elevator Killer said:

What I watched said the physics work, but it's still out there for me. 

I think it's possible, for sure. Each black hole is an entrance into another universe of planets, galaxies and more black holes that lead to other universes.

 

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I think you mean "worm hole." 

Black holes are known; gravity so strong it pulls in everything, including light. 

Worm holes are essentially like a time/space transport. I.e. the movie "Contact." 

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1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I think it's possible, for sure. Each black hole is an entrance into another universe of planets, galaxies and more black holes that lead to other universes.

 

We don't know that.  We don't know what happens past the event horizon as it's impossible to see and our current laws of physics break down at that point.  

Shortly out of college I remember going to see Sephen Hawking give a lecture.  He was adamant (at that time, not sure if he ever changed his mind) that we'd never know what was inside a black hole. I thought boy that was a stupid thing for a scientist to say, who's to say we'd never figure out the physics of it. The theory of relativity completely changed our understanding of physics, and looking back it's a pretty simple thought experiment to prove it.  Another theory might come along that blows open what we know about black holes.  

And the force behind them is, you guessed it, gravity.  Our current laws treat it as a constant, we don't know how to harness it, not really.  Made me think Hawkings was an alien plant at the time. Lol. 

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Aliens are real. They have visited earth. There are also extra dimensional beings like the arch angels who can materialize on earth.

Yes the government does take part in operation blue beam. Fake aliens, to confuse everything.

If you look back in history, there are tons of references of beings from the stars coming to earth. This has been around for thousands of years.

A huge part of all this is consciousness. Until we explore our inner consciousness in deep ways, we will not evolve out of these old patterns.

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49 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

I think you mean "worm hole." 

Black holes are known; gravity so strong it pulls in everything, including light. 

Worm holes are essentially like a time/space transport. I.e. the movie "Contact." 

And wormholes are just theoretical, we have not detected them to eally exist like we have black holes.  (I think, pretty sure)  

And their ability to travel faster than the speed of light would involve gravity forces bending space to make it a much shorter distance.  Same as i was talking about earlier. According to our current laws of physics. And thats where the theory of relativity comes in.  The distance would be much shorter to the traveler, but, to a third party observer they may indeed see them travel faster than the speed of light. Theoretically, I think, something like that.  

What we do know for sure is that if someone were traveling near the speed of light a third party observer would see them and their ship shorten in length. And we would see their time slow down compared to ours. That's what supposedly happened in the Planet of the Apes.  Simple math and experiments have proven these true for Einstein's theory of relativity.  Time stops and is frozen at the event horizon in a black hole. 

I remember asking my astrophysics professor why the ship in Start Trek stretches longer when going to warp speed as it should really shorten. He replied that it had always bothered him too. 

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2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

And wormholes are just theoretical, we have not detected them to eally exist like we have black holes.  (I think, pretty sure)  

And their ability to travel faster than the speed of light would involve gravity forces bending space to make it a much shorter distance.  Same as i was talking about earlier. According to our current laws of physics. And thats where the theory of relativity comes in.  The distance would be much shorter to the traveler, but, to a third party observer they may indeed see them travel faster than the speed of light. Theoretically, I think, something like that.  

What we do know for sure is that if someone were traveling near the speed of light a third party observer would see them and their ship shorten in length. And we would see their time slow down compared to ours. That's what supposedly happened in the Planet of the Apes.  Simple math and experiments have proven these true for Einstein's theory of relativity.  Time stops and is frozen at the event horizon in a black hole. 

I remember asking my astrophysics professor why the ship in Start Trek stretches longer when going to warp speed as it should really shorten. He replied that it had always bothered him too. 

You should look into Nassim Haramein. He's a quantum physicist who does a great job explaining this stuff while doing a lot of ground breaking research. He also ties in consciousness into the mix, which is fundamental.

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16 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Aliens are real. They have visited earth. There are also extra dimensional beings like the arch angels who can materialize on earth.

Yes the government does take part in operation blue beam. Fake aliens, to confuse everything.

If you look back in history, there are tons of references of beings from the stars coming to earth. This has been around for thousands of years.

A huge part of all this is consciousness. Until we explore our inner consciousness in deep ways, we will not evolve out of these old patterns.

As a scientist "not in the know" it's hard to say things like this for sure. But you're right, there are a ton of references and unexplainable things.  We could all be experiments in some alien petri dish for all we know. Which puts us back to the other discussion, if we were some alien's science project does that make them our god?   

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4 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

You should look into Nassim Haramein. He's a quantum physicist who does a great job explaining this stuff while doing a lot of ground breaking research. He also ties in consciousness into the mix, which is fundamental.

Thanks, I'll take a look. I've read a bunch of books and he's not ringing a bell. It was interesting to see string theory come and go. One I remember that I really liked is A Universe From Nothing by Lawrence Krauss. 

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1 minute ago, Horseman said:

As a scientist "not in the know" it's hard to say thing like this for sure. But you're right, there are a ton of references and unexplainable things.  We could all be experiments in some alien petri dish for all we know. Which puts us back to the other discussion, if we were some alien's science project does that make them our god?   

I do think it's entirely possible. The ancient stories of the Annunaki are there for a reason. Whether that's still the case or not, who knows.

We already know that reality is an illusion. This is fact. Why is it an illusion? I tend to agree with the idea that we are here to evolve and temper our souls in a limited avatar.

The gnostics believe this is a prison planet, but I don't buy that. Although multiple ancient traditions do speak of breaking free of the wheel of reincarnation, or as the Hindu put it, Samsara.

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2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Thanks, I'll take a look. I've read a bunch of books and he's not ringing a bell. It was interesting to see string theory come and go. One I remember that I really liked is A Universe From Nothing by Lawrence Krauss. 

This was a really good podcast imo. Nassim is the one who figured out that the conventional mass of the Proton was wrong. He accurately predicted it was 3% different than what the mass was believed to be. He's doing a lot of work in zero point energy.

He's also a proponent of bringing the different branches of science together, stating that the division is what is holding science back.

 

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If you're a skeptic of extra dimensional beings, or even extra dimensions, that's basically what quantum physics is about. It's also part of the reason quantum computing seems so much faster. Time isn't linear in every dimension.

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If one's view of reality is limited to conventional physics, it's such a less fun world to live in. Thats a very limited existance.

A lesser known fact is that the father of modern physics, Isaac Newton, wrote a lot about alchemy with ties to the occult. Some say he wrote more about it than mathematics and physics, but he just didn’t publish a lot of it.

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26 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

If you're a skeptic of extra dimensional beings, or even extra dimensions, that's basically what quantum physics is about. It's also part of the reason quantum computing seems so much faster. Time isn't linear in every dimension.

Quantum Physics is physics at the sub-atomic level where classical physics can't explain a lot of the observations.  And that provides a host of questions on why the difference etc.  I'm not versed very well and I think it's been coopted to explain things it probably shouldn't.  And we haven't really figured out full quantum computers yet I don't think but it has the potential to be game changing and a bit scary.  

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It's all about odds. Given the almost infinite size of the universe....there are an estimated couple billion to a couple trillion galaxies in the observable universe.....odds are, there is something out there. Given that there are probably 100 billion stars per galaxy at a minimum(probablymuch higher).....we are potentially looking at TRILLIONS of planets........again, just in the observable universe....you would think the odds would mandate there is something out there. If there is, for us to know about it(as far as intelligent life), we would need to evolve at a parallel rate with another civilization that survives long enough to develop a means of traveling thousands of light years relatively quickly. THEN, said civilization would have to bump into 1 of trillions of planets in JUST THE PART OF THE UNIVERSE we are aware of in order to locate us. Suddenly,  I don't like the odds. Just for life to evolve & exist on a planet long enough to develop speed of light or faster than the speed of light travel is asking a lot. Look how many times life on this planet has almost been snuffed out. The chances of  them doing it & then taking to the stars & finding a needle in a haystack are not very high. We may not be alone but we will always be alone.

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2 hours ago, Horseman said:

We don't know that.  We don't know what happens past the event horizon as it's impossible to see and our current laws of physics break down at that point.  

Shortly out of college I remember going to see Sephen Hawking give a lecture.  He was adamant (at that time, not sure if he ever changed his mind) that we'd never know what was inside a black hole. I thought boy that was a stupid thing for a scientist to say, who's to say we'd never figure out the physics of it. The theory of relativity completely changed our understanding of physics, and looking back it's a pretty simple thought experiment to prove it.  Another theory might come along that blows open what we know about black holes.  

And the force behind them is, you guessed it, gravity.  Our current laws treat it as a constant, we don't know how to harness it, not really.  Made me think Hawkings was an alien plant at the time. Lol. 

Yeah, I know.  That's just a guess/theory on my part.  You go in and pop out into another universe.  Like a multi-verse, except less Marvel.

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1 hour ago, Nomad99 said:

It's all about odds. Given the almost infinite size of the universe....there are an estimated couple billion to a couple trillion galaxies in the observable universe.....odds are, there is something out there. Given that there are probably 100 billion stars per galaxy at a minimum(probablymuch higher).....we are potentially looking at TRILLIONS of planets........again, just in the observable universe....you would think the odds would mandate there is something out there. If there is, for us to know about it(as far as intelligent life), we would need to evolve at a parallel rate with another civilization that survives long enough to develop a means of traveling thousands of light years relatively quickly. THEN, said civilization would have to bump into 1 of trillions of planets in JUST THE PART OF THE UNIVERSE we are aware of in order to locate us. Suddenly,  I don't like the odds. Just for life to evolve & exist on a planet long enough to develop speed of light or faster than the speed of light travel is asking a lot. Look how many times life on this planet has almost been snuffed out. The chances of  them doing it & then taking to the stars & finding a needle in a haystack are not very high. We may not be alone but we will always be alone.

This is where consciousness comes into play. People overlook this part. Evolving consciousness needs to be at least at the level of technology to really harness potential.

Theough consciousness it's not so far fetched to think beings existing at great distances in 3D could come in contact with each other.

Psy games just went down. I heard some crazy things happened. There is the C5 program from Steven Greer. The psyonics military program talked about by Jake Barber. The videos and experiences of Chris Bledsoe. Plus I have done this myself and some interesting things have happened.

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2 hours ago, Horseman said:

Quantum Physics is physics at the sub-atomic level where classical physics can't explain a lot of the observations.  And that provides a host of questions on why the difference etc.  I'm not versed very well and I think it's been coopted to explain things it probably shouldn't.  And we haven't really figured out full quantum computers yet I don't think but it has the potential to be game changing and a bit scary.  

Things at the subatomic level do not act in accordance with classical physics. Have you read the 2022 Nobel prize awarded in quantum physics? Interesting stuff.

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I will tell this story in here. If you don't believe me, it doesn't matter because I know what I saw. I may have told this, but I can't remember.

Chris Bledsoe is known for these orbs that more or less "follow" him around. He has countless videos of these orbs doing weird things around him. Usually far in the distance. There are multiple witnesses who have experienced these glowing orbs with him and then on their own. A few people claim the orbs came within 20 feet before moving faster than they thought possible into the upper atmosphere, maybe beyond. He has a fascinating book called UFO of God.

He claims that we can all see these orbs if we orient ourselves properly. Usually through a positive loving emotion combined with asking to see them. So I decided to try it one night.

I look into the sky and ask if the orbs will show themselves. All of a sudden a light in the sky turns on for about 2 seconds. About 12 seconds later it turned on again for 2 seconds. It happened a third time.

I have never seen anything like that in the sky. Why was there something flying around without lights on? How did it move so far so fast? If it was a drone, it was extremely fast and just so happened to turn it's lights on and off when I asked?

I have witnessed orb like lights way in the sky on different nights.

Try it. Go out on a clear night. Fill your heart with love. Ask the orbs to show themselves.

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There is no such thing as physical matter. When you get to smaller particles, they still aren't solid. It's all energy. The physical world is literally an illusion.

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On 8/16/2025 at 1:20 PM, Fnord said:

Who says life needs oxygen? There may be life forms in the universe that need methane or hydrogen to breathe, and eat sulfur and iron, just as examples.

⬆️  This is true. Life as we know it would most likely vary across the Universe. We need water, other life forms may need something else. 

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Distance & time.....both so vast that we can't begin to comprehend either. Both work against the odds of us ever encountering other sentient beings at from earth.

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10 hours ago, The Elevator Killer said:

I looked for a Mind Blown emoji, but there's not one. Anyway Mind Blown. 

🤯 👈

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8 hours ago, Nomad99 said:

Distance & time.....both so vast that we can't begin to comprehend either. Both work against the odds of us ever encountering other sentient beings at from earth.

Consciousness isn't limited by time and space

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On 8/16/2025 at 9:04 AM, supermike80 said:

Human centric. 

We believe that life has to be like us, has to have what we have.    None of that may be true

Exactly! I think we can’t even imagine all the possibilities. 

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13 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

The gnostics believe this is a prison planet, but I don't buy that. 

That’s interesting, I never heard that before but have certainly thought that maybe we’re all in hell here. I mean when you really look at the brutality of nature and the selfishness of humanity, it does seem like a horrible place. 

I think it’s hard to think of things outside of what we’ve been taught, take this view on time:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNisdVSs6aQ/?igsh=ZjZ6MGU2a2t0N3M2

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2 hours ago, peenie said:

That’s interesting, I never heard that before but have certainly thought that maybe we’re all in hell here. I mean when you really look at the brutality of nature and the selfishness of humanity, it does seem like a horrible place. 

I think it’s hard to think of things outside of what we’ve been taught, take this view on time:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DNisdVSs6aQ/?igsh=ZjZ6MGU2a2t0N3M2

Be very careful with how you believe the world to be. If you truly believe it is hell, that reality will be reflected or mirrored to support your belief.

I personally believe I live in heaven on earth where there is plenty of beauty and amazinf people. It's not perfect, but the planet along with the consciousness of humanity is skewing ever more toward the positive.

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