listen2me 23 1,906 Posted yesterday at 10:31 AM Im a guy who values draft picks. But as a Packers fan, I like this trade a ton. It would make much more sense for the Cowboys if they were actually rebuilding. But they arent. Or at least werent trying to. The 9ers traded more for the right to draft Trey Lance. I believe Jamal Adams got traded for more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,726 Posted yesterday at 10:38 AM 11 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said: I like Parsons but Dallas won this trade Getting rid of arguing the best defensive player in the league for 2 late round firsts? Awful move by Dallas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,983 Posted yesterday at 10:41 AM I think this is a good move for both teams actually. GB gets better now, Dallas setting up for later. Which is OK. Dak sucks and can never get them to the SB an Jones knows it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted yesterday at 10:45 AM Just now, supermike80 said: I think this is a good move for both teams actually. GB gets better now, Dallas setting up for later. Which is OK. Dak sucks and can never get them to the SB an Jones knows it. The issue is Jones whether your believe him or not has been saying all in last 2 years. Dak got a contract, Lamb did, traded for Pickens and he will be up on a contract. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,983 Posted yesterday at 10:48 AM 1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said: The issue is Jones whether your believe him or not has been saying all in last 2 years. Dak got a contract, Lamb did, traded for Pickens and he will be up on a contract. Well to be honest, I don't really give a sheet about the Cowboys. So who knows. I do think it makes GB a heck of a lot better. $46 million a year is lot to pay one player man. Now the Lions will have to sign Hutch for $50 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted yesterday at 10:57 AM 7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Getting rid of arguing the best defensive player in the league for 2 late round firsts? Awful move by Dallas. As a Packers fan I dont want to gloat. Trading for and paying top players is always risky in the physical game that is football. Knock on wood. Jamal Adams a saftey went for more when he was traded. So it does not seem like the Cowboys got as much as people expected they might. I value picks as much as anyone. But GB for years now has been the youngest team in the league. Their last 2 1st round picks were Lukas Van Ness who was raw but has done little in 2 seasons. Then Jordan Morgan, a tackle that they tried at guard. And wasnt even a preferred starter last year. And has a chance to start the season as the 6th OL this year if he didnt steal the LT job in the midnight hour with his good preseason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,152 Posted yesterday at 10:58 AM 22 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Getting rid of arguing the best defensive player in the league for 2 late round firsts? Awful move by Dallas. Nope. He's always banged up. Now it's his back. Not good for a young star. They aren't just late first round picks, it's ammo to navigate the 2027 draft for a stud QB. You're not looking at the whole picture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,726 Posted yesterday at 11:02 AM 1 minute ago, Maximum Overkill said: Nope. He's always banged up. Now it's his back. Not good for a young star He's missed 5 games in 4 years, double digit sacks every year, he has pff grades 90 or higher every year (rookie 89.8). He's elite and any team would be lucky to have him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted yesterday at 11:03 AM 3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: Nope. He's always banged up. Now it's his back. Not good for a young star Lol you believe his back issue? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,152 Posted yesterday at 11:03 AM Just now, Ron_Artest said: He's missed 5 games in 4 years, double digit sacks every year, he has pff grades 90 or higher every year (rookie 89.8). He's elite and any team would be lucky to have him. What has he won in Dallas? What makes you think he'll make a difference in Green Bay? Too much $$$. Read the rest of my post again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted yesterday at 11:05 AM Just now, Maximum Overkill said: What has he won in Dallas? What makes you think he'll make a difference in Green Bay? Too much $$$. Read the rest of my post again Hes not a QB. Hes won as many SBs as Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow combined. You are trying too hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,152 Posted yesterday at 11:06 AM Just now, listen2me 23 said: Hes not a QB. Hes won as many SBs as Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Joe Burrow combined. You are trying too hard. He's paid as a QB. This isn't about the player for Dallas. It's about 2027 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,726 Posted yesterday at 11:11 AM 6 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: What has he won in Dallas? What makes you think he'll make a difference in Green Bay? Too much $$$. Read the rest of my post again You're always on the wrong side of everything Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted yesterday at 11:12 AM Just now, Maximum Overkill said: He's paid as a QB. This isn't about the player for Dallas. It's about 2027 Right as is several other non QBs that teams sign or resign. If your argument is they paid him a lot of money then well not sure what there is to debate. Yeah they did. Top players get big money these days if you didnt notice. Of all the teams in the league, the Packers are thrifty and always manage the cap well. Its a known fact. Im sure they checked and rechecked the numbers. They dont trade for or pay players just because. They have endless examples of letting a good players walk, only to be absolutely right in their timing. They just got rid of Jaire who was highly paid. Hes hardly been healthy for the Ravens thus far. They sent Kenny Clark, who I love but has diminished and they were going to release him after the season anyway. He made over 20 per year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
5-Points 3,624 Posted yesterday at 11:29 AM 46 minutes ago, supermike80 said: I think this is a good move for both teams actually. GB gets better now, Dallas setting up for later. Which is OK. Dak sucks and can never get them to the SB an Jones knows it. They should've saved the money on Dak and paid Micah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted yesterday at 11:31 AM Yea not understanding Jerrah knows Dak cant win him a SB, when he literally just paid him less than a year ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,983 Posted yesterday at 11:42 AM 10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Yea not understanding Jerrah knows Dak cant win him a SB, when he literally just paid him less than a year ago. True. Very true. But I don't see Dak winning them a superbowl. do you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cmh6476 1,045 Posted yesterday at 11:43 AM Packers/ chiefs super bowl would be cool whole my son is up in Madison Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted yesterday at 11:56 AM 11 minutes ago, supermike80 said: True. Very true. But I don't see Dak winning them a superbowl. do you? I dont. But not sure if Jerrah does. If they really want to do a rebuild thrn they should trade him next offseason. If you trade Parsons and accumulate picks, it would usually be to get your QB. Do they keep Dak and try to just accumulate more talent and hope its good enough? Jerrah is old. Rebuilding doesnt seem like what he wants to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,983 Posted yesterday at 12:07 PM 7 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: I dont. But not sure if Jerrah does. If they really want to do a rebuild thrn they should trade him next offseason. If you trade Parsons and accumulate picks, it would usually be to get your QB. Do they keep Dak and try to just accumulate more talent and hope its good enough? Jerrah is old. Rebuilding doesnt seem like what he wants to do. Well i looked and didn't even know Dak was the highest player in the league--so duh on me. But that should mean Dak would be hard to trade I guess. Who's gonna wanna take on that fat contract for him? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted yesterday at 12:15 PM 5 minutes ago, supermike80 said: Well i looked and didn't even know Dak was the highest player in the league--so duh on me. But that should mean Dak would be hard to trade I guess. Who's gonna wanna take on that fat contract for him? I feel people still get shocked at money. If you are a decent QB in the league and your contract is up, you get paid. Just the way it is. A middling team with cap space would do it. What did an older Rodgers with a big contract go for? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,983 Posted yesterday at 12:16 PM Just now, listen2me 23 said: I feel people still get shocked at money. If you are a decent QB in the league and your contract is up, you get paid. Just the way it is. A middling team with cap space would do it. What did an older Rodgers with a big contract go for? Yeah I suppose you have a point. Like max said earlier, it appears Dallas is trying to position for a QB in the near future. I still really like this trade for the Packers and hate that Micah came to the Lions division. Grrr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
supermike80 1,983 Posted yesterday at 12:17 PM I mean I guess it makes sense if Dallas drafts a "stud" QB and let's him learn under Dax for a year or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,582 Posted yesterday at 12:31 PM I don’t see Dallas being worse than New Orleans or Cleveland. Both need qb’s too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alias Detective 1,429 Posted yesterday at 01:25 PM 15 hours ago, posty said: Well, water is wet... 15 hours ago, posty said: Being a fan or having a blood rush to the nether region? Someone stole this stiff's handle for sure with these 2 gems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,416 Posted yesterday at 01:43 PM I'm sure Micah's back is healed now I'm not sorry he's gone, just sorry we didn't get more for the whiny faker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted 23 hours ago 22 minutes ago, Big Guy said: I'm sure Micah's back is healed now I'm not sorry he's gone, just sorry we didn't get more for the whiny faker Execs in the league are trashing Jerrah. If they do a trade in March, they get more. Trading your best player...a 26 year old elite edge rusher....a week before the season.....is not how to get full value. In the end Jerrah wanted to play hardball on his terms. Not a surprise. But he had no real plan otherwise. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,416 Posted 23 hours ago 7 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Execs in the league are trashing Jerrah. If they do a trade in March, they get more. Trading your best player...a 26 year old elite edge rusher....a week before the season.....is not how to get full value. In the end Jerrah wanted to play hardball on his terms. Not a surprise. But he had no real plan otherwise. I believe it got out of hand on Micah & Agent by not respecting his "leadership" and existing contract. It got to the point where the joy and momentum the Cowboys had going was quite cancerous and needed to end. This is IMO what caused the desperation of this deal. If Parson's back is good now I'd sue them for f'ing up negotiations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,587 Posted 23 hours ago Jerry could’ve locked Micah up for less $ a year ago. He made the same mistake with Dak and CeeDee. Jerry drafts pretty well but he sucks at negotiating. The team “wins” negotiations when they identify elite talent and lock them up early. The biggest problem in Dallas is the owner and GM shouldn’t be the same person. It’s a huge conflict of interest retest and JJ’s massive ego gets in the way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted 23 hours ago 7 minutes ago, Big Guy said: I believe it got out of hand on Micah & Agent by not respecting his "leadership" and existing contract. It got to the point where the joy and momentum the Cowboys had going was quite cancerous and needed to end. This is IMO what caused the desperation of this deal. If Parson's back is good now I'd sue them for f'ing up negotiations. This is a delusional post lol. Every guy that has held out this year has had "some injury". His back tightness had nothing to do with fing up negotiations. JJ told him to play on the 5th year option. Jerry wanted to talk contract and not let his agent in on it. Just google the situation and read up. JJ f'd up negotiations. Every exec or people in the know have said this. Meanwhile the Packers, a team that is not notorious for splash signings or tossing money around....were able to get a deal done in 12 seconds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EternalShinyAndChrome 4,243 Posted 22 hours ago 6 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said: The Cowboys are now stacked with draft picks and perfectly aligned to draft their future stud QB in the 2027 draft which should be a QB bonanza. Don't be surprised if they trade one of their 2026 picks to get back into the 2027 draft with 3 first round picks. Great trade for Dallas. No one but you is saying that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 1,932 Posted 22 hours ago 5 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: Getting rid of arguing the best defensive player in the league for 2 late round firsts? Awful move by Dallas. I’m not paying anyone that’s basically just a speed rusher 47 million a year. I would’ve much rather have Dallas’s end of this trade even though it won’t help them at all this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,587 Posted 21 hours ago 2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: I’m not paying anyone that’s basically just a speed rusher 47 million a year. I would’ve much rather have Dallas’s end of this trade even though it won’t help them at all this year. I don’t necessarily disagree either you, but the Cowboys probably could’ve resigned Micah for less a year ago. And I’d rather give him $47m a year than $60m per for Dak. They just have no plan at all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,416 Posted 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said: This is a delusional post lol. Every guy that has held out this year has had "some injury". His back tightness had nothing to do with fing up negotiations. JJ told him to play on the 5th year option. Jerry wanted to talk contract and not let his agent in on it. Just google the situation and read up. JJ f'd up negotiations. Every exec or people in the know have said this. Meanwhile the Packers, a team that is not notorious for splash signings or tossing money around....were able to get a deal done in 12 seconds. Other than getting MORE out of the deal, I agree with Jerry's actions although I would have been more hard assed with Micah & Co. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted 21 hours ago Just now, Big Guy said: Other than getting MORE out of the deal, I agree with Jerry's actions although I would have been more hard assed with Micah & Co. Most Cowboy fans say Jerry is the problem. You seem to be an outlier within the fanbase. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,416 Posted 21 hours ago 19 minutes ago, MDC said: I don’t necessarily disagree either you, but the Cowboys probably could’ve resigned Micah for less a year ago. And I’d rather give him $47m a year than $60m per for Dak. They just have no plan at all. The plan is, Micah's not worth that and we already had 2 highly overpriced players. Sure Micah has great stats, but he's rarely showed up when needed the most. He's NOT a leader, he's just another high dollar diva. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,416 Posted 21 hours ago 1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said: Most Cowboy fans say Jerry is the problem. You seem to be an outlier within the fanbase. I'll take that......time will tell on this deal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,582 Posted 21 hours ago I hope it doesn’t work out for either team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,906 Posted 21 hours ago 1 minute ago, Big Guy said: The plan is, Micah's not worth that and we already had 2 highly overpriced players. Sure Micah has great stats, but he's rarely showed up when needed the most. He's NOT a leader, he's just another high dollar diva. Anything I have read says Micah is a great dude. You dont think JJ offered him close to what he got in GB? He said himself he offered a ton. If their opinion was they werent going to pay Micah what he would ask for, then why would they not rrade him when his return would have been more? Again JJ had a very flimsy plan at best. JJ offered him a bunch. If Micah signed you would have said cool/awesome. Lets pretend that JJ didnt want to give him a large extention. So to sum it up, he got rid of perhaps their best player at age 26. And held onto him long enough to get the least in return. I dont have a job in thr NFL, but I can confidently say that isnt a very smart way of managing a team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Guy 1,416 Posted 21 hours ago 1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said: JJ offered him a bunch. If Micah signed you would have said cool/awesome. Nope, I wouldn't have been happy if they got him for 35 mil, I've seen his lack of leadership and desire at times. He'll be great for the Packers for awhile, but if he's not happy it'll show up again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites