U.S. Military and boat strikes thread - Was The Follow-Up Boat Strike a War Crime?

[edjr 6,979]

states with the highest share of people who had used cocaine in the past year were Colorado, Vermont, the District of Columbia, Rhode Island and Massachusetts

[squistion 2,625]

9 minutes ago, edjr said:

states with the highest share of people who had used cocaine in the past year were Colorado, Vermont, the District of Columbia, Rhode Island and Massachusetts

Fun Fact: The District of Columbia is not a state.

And those figures are not from the most recent past year they are from 2021 and 2022:

AI Overview

 

The states with the highest share of people (aged 18 and older) who had used cocaine in the past year were 

Colorado, Vermont, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts, according to combined data from the 2021 and 2022 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH). 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,986]

I doubt nearly every stat that governments provide given my personal experience with them. 

[shadrap 267]

2 hours ago, FrancieFootball said:

That boat we did a double tap on apparently was transporting fuel to a marina. Drugs come into this country from China and Mexico, usually not by boat. But I'm sure MAGAs now believe Venezuela to be the world's biggest drug supplier, just because their cult leader orders strikes on boats.

you got a link for "apparently was transporting fuel to a marina"?

This should be good.

[FrancieFootball 244]

1 minute ago, shadrap said:

you got a link for "apparently was transporting fuel to a marina"?

This should be good.

Waste of time. Any linked source that MAGA disapproves, regardless of it being verified facts, quickly gets dismissed around here. 

Even if I sourced Fox, MAGAs here still would dismiss it because their cult leader controls how they think.

[Ron_Artest 2,371]

Alcohol destroys many more lives and families than cocaine.

Our next boat strike will be sponsored by Modelo.

[Meglamaniac 807]

1 hour ago, FrancieFootball said:

Waste of time. Any linked source that MAGA disapproves, regardless of it being verified facts, quickly gets dismissed around here. 

Even if I sourced Fox, MAGAs here still would dismiss it because their cult leader controls how they think.

So no link

got it

[FrancieFootball 244]

5 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

So no link

got it

MAGA: SHOW US THE LINK!!! 

Links to Reuters and Associated Press provided.

MAGA: That's radical left-wing MSM!!! 

[Meglamaniac 807]

2 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said:

MAGA: SHOW US THE LINK!!! 

Links to Reuters and Associated Press provided.

MAGA: That's radical left-wing MSM!!! 

Put up or shut up

[shadrap 267]

1 hour ago, FrancieFootball said:

Waste of time. Any linked source that MAGA disapproves, regardless of it being verified facts, quickly gets dismissed around here. 

Even if I sourced Fox, MAGAs here still would dismiss it because their cult leader controls how they think.

Not a waste.  Provide a link if you got one.  I will read regardless of from who.

thanx

 

[shadrap 267]

14 hours ago, FrancieFootball said:

MAGA: SHOW US THE LINK!!! 

Links to Reuters and Associated Press provided.

MAGA: That's radical left-wing MSM!!! 

"apparently was transporting fuel to a marina".  If it's Reuters or AP let's see the link.

Not sure why you would just make something up.

[dogcows 1,168]

16 hours ago, edjr said:

states with the highest share of people who had used cocaine in the past year were Colorado, Vermont, the District of Columbia, Rhode Island and Massachusetts

There are zero boats from South America making it to any of those states. So… what is the point of the bombings?

Also, the Coast Guard has far more effective methods for taking these boats out. They take out the engines and arrest everybody on board. It’s called interdiction. Guess what happens when you arrest people? Sometimes they talk and you find out who their bosses are or what routes are running. You get nothing when you just bomb the boats.

These bombings are braindead, illegal, and cruel. Perfect reflection of this president and his supporters.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,986]

We get any of those cockroaches yesterday? 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,414]

Idk, is protecting American citizens a war crime? New to me if this is the case.

[shadrap 267]

42 minutes ago, dogcows said:

There are zero boats from South America making it to any of those states. So… what is the point of the bombings?

Also, the Coast Guard has far more effective methods for taking these boats out. They take out the engines and arrest everybody on board. It’s called interdiction. Guess what happens when you arrest people? Sometimes they talk and you find out who their bosses are or what routes are running. You get nothing when you just bomb the boats.

These bombings are braindead, illegal, and cruel. Perfect reflection of this president and his supporters.

curious what makes it illegal?  

[dogcows 1,168]

23 minutes ago, shadrap said:

curious what makes it illegal?  

No you’re not, or you’d have researched it yourself.

[shadrap 267]

31 minutes ago, dogcows said:

No you’re not, or you’d have researched it yourself.

so what laws are being broken?  If they are breaking the law put them/they in jail.  Your the one who said it was "illegal".

[seafoam1 3,477]

37 minutes ago, dogcows said:

No you’re not, or you’d have researched it yourself.

Blow up all the drug pushers and illegals who come anywhere within range of our borders. 

It's what I voted for. Winning. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,568]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

There are zero boats from South America making it to any of those states. So… what is the point of the bombings?

They transfer the drugs from boat to boat to avoid detection. 

Are you really that stupid?? These aren't fishing boats, they're clearly smugglers. Who cares how and where they die? 

[dogcows 1,168]

25 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

They transfer the drugs from boat to boat to avoid detection. 

Are you really that stupid?? These aren't fishing boats, they're clearly smugglers. Who cares how and where they die? 

If you think bombing a few dozen boats is gonna stop the flow of drugs, then you are the stupid one.

Actually, Coast Guard interdictions (take out the engines, seize drugs and arrest the traffickers) are far more effective than this but instead of doing more of those, we have to make big explosions to impress our toddler president.

[dogcows 1,168]

55 minutes ago, shadrap said:

so what laws are being broken?  If they are breaking the law put them/they in jail.  Your the one who said it was "illegal".

Like I said, the info is out there and easily accessible. If you actually were curious, you’d have found it. But you’re not.

[shadrap 267]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Like I said, the info is out there and easily accessible. If you actually were curious, you’d have found it. But you’re not.

found this claiming it is legal.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/hegseth-bradley-narco/2025/12/06/id/1237311/

so if illegal, as you claimed why is it?  What law/laws are being broken?

[squistion 2,625]

38 minutes ago, shadrap said:

found this claiming it is legal.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/hegseth-bradley-narco/2025/12/06/id/1237311/

so if illegal, as you claimed why is it?  What law/laws are being broken?

 You have to ask?

AI Overview

 

According to a wide consensus of legal experts, the second U.S. strike on the survivors of an alleged drug boat in September 2025 was illegal under both international and U.S. domestic law. Such an act is considered an extrajudicial killing or murder, and if an armed conflict were applicable, it would be a war crime. 

Legality Analysis

• International Law and Laws of War: The laws of war (or International Humanitarian Law) explicitly prohibit attacking individuals who are "hors de combat" (out of the fight), which includes shipwrecked or incapacitated survivors. The U.S. Department of Defense's own Law of War Manual uses the example of firing upon shipwreck survivors as a "clearly illegal" order that service members have a duty to disobey. The rule of "no quarter"—declaring that no survivors will be taken—has been forbidden for over a century.
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• Peacetime Law: Many legal experts argue that the U.S. is not in an "armed conflict" with drug cartels in the Western Hemisphere, which means the laws of war may not even apply. In this context, international human rights law applies, which only permits lethal force in cases of an imminent threat to life or serious injury. Since the survivors clinging to wreckage posed no such threat, the attack is considered an arbitrary deprivation of life, or murder under U.S. federal law and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
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• Official Position: The Trump administration confirmed a second strike occurred and insisted it was lawful under the rules of engagement and the law of armed conflict. However, legal experts across the political spectrum widely reject this rationale, stating that targeting defenseless individuals is prohibited in any scenario. 

In sum, the second strike on the survivors is broadly considered a fundamental violation of legal principles that protect those who are no longer a threat, regardless of whether the situation is classified as law enforcement or armed conflict. The incident has prompted bipartisan calls for congressional reviews and investigations into the legal basis for the entire anti-drug campaign. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,568]

5 minutes ago, squistion said:

 You have to ask?

AI Overview

 

According to a wide consensus of legal experts, the second U.S. strike on the survivors of an alleged drug boat in September 2025 was illegal under both international and U.S. domestic law. Such an act is considered an extrajudicial killing or murder, and if an armed conflict were applicable, it would be a war crime. 

Legality Analysis

• International Law and Laws of War: The laws of war (or International Humanitarian Law) explicitly prohibit attacking individuals who are "hors de combat" (out of the fight), which includes shipwrecked or incapacitated survivors. The U.S. Department of Defense's own Law of War Manual uses the example of firing upon shipwreck survivors as a "clearly illegal" order that service members have a duty to disobey. The rule of "no quarter"—declaring that no survivors will be taken—has been forbidden for over a century.
•  
• Peacetime Law: Many legal experts argue that the U.S. is not in an "armed conflict" with drug cartels in the Western Hemisphere, which means the laws of war may not even apply. In this context, international human rights law applies, which only permits lethal force in cases of an imminent threat to life or serious injury. Since the survivors clinging to wreckage posed no such threat, the attack is considered an arbitrary deprivation of life, or murder under U.S. federal law and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
•  
• Official Position: The Trump administration confirmed a second strike occurred and insisted it was lawful under the rules of engagement and the law of armed conflict. However, legal experts across the political spectrum widely reject this rationale, stating that targeting defenseless individuals is prohibited in any scenario. 

In sum, the second strike on the survivors is broadly considered a fundamental violation of legal principles that protect those who are no longer a threat, regardless of whether the situation is classified as law enforcement or armed conflict. The incident has prompted bipartisan calls for congressional reviews and investigations into the legal basis for the entire anti-drug campaign. 

Damn, it looks like they got him this time 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,986]

55 minutes ago, dogcows said:

If you think bombing a few dozen boats is gonna stop the flow of drugs, then you are the stupid one.

Actually, Coast Guard interdictions (take out the engines, seize drugs and arrest the traffickers) are far more effective than this but instead of doing more of those, we have to make big explosions to impress our toddler president.

Than blowing them up? Do you understand the man hours involved in what you said? 

[dogcows 1,168]

30 minutes ago, shadrap said:

found this claiming it is legal.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/hegseth-bradley-narco/2025/12/06/id/1237311/

so if illegal, as you claimed why is it?  What law/laws are being broken?

You can find somebody on the internet who agrees with anything you believe. That’s the magic of it, and the curse of it.

Blaine thinks Canadians are Marxists because they shot some birds. No I’m not making that up. That’s the level of partisan kookiness he deals in.

You could research the LOAC or maritime law, but nope. Just read something from an extreme partisan on NewsMax instead. 

Curiosity is seeking out new knowledge, not just looking for somebody who agrees with your pre-conceived notions.

Here’s the DoD law of war manual. Search it for “shipwrecked” which has an entire chapter.

https://ogc.osd.mil/Portals/99/department_of_defense_law_of_war_manual.pdf

Quote

7.3 RESPECT AND PROTECTION OF THE WOUNDED, SICK, AND SHIPWRECKED

Members of the armed forces and other persons mentioned in Article 13 of the GWS and

the GWS-Sea, who are wounded, sick, or shipwrecked, shall be respected and protected in all

circumstances.35 Such persons are among the categories of persons placed hors de combat;

making them the object of attack is strictly prohibited.36

 

[Fnord 2,620]

20 hours ago, edjr said:

very unlikely to die from cocaine. the coke laced with fentanyl is a myth. has it happened? sure but likely an accident. what coke dealer is going to kill his customers?

Happened last spring in my area. A half dozen people died in my small city alone. Spooked one of my buddies pretty bad, he even disposed of his for fear it was tainted. 

[Maximum Overkill 2,568]

Not a War Crime and not illegal under international law. 

This crap happens every day in every Country around the World. We've been operating in Columbia, Africa, Syria and tens of other Countries as well. 

If there's a prominent threat, you eliminate it. It's not an act of War. 

[MDC 7,999]

Hegseth passing the buck to the Admiral Bradley reminds me of Col. Jessup letting two Marines take the fall for his orders.

Clown show admin.  

[Maximum Overkill 2,568]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

Hegseth passing the buck to the Admiral Bradley reminds me of Col. Jessup letting two Marines take the fall for his orders.

Clown show admin.  

Or like when Biden blamed the Afghan withdrawal on Trump? 

[seafoam1 3,477]

4 minutes ago, MDC said:

Hegseth passing the buck to the Admiral Bradley reminds me of Col. Jessup letting two Marines take the fall for his orders.

Clown show admin.  

mdpee uses movies as a source for his "info". 

[Maximum Overkill 2,568]

THANK YOU MR. TRUMP!! 

 

 U.S. Coast Guard ship seized more than 20,000 pounds of cocaine from a single ship this week, making the largest at-sea interdiction in nearly 20 years, officials said.

The Coast Guard said the crew of the Munro, a cutter that patrols the Pacific and is based in Alameda, California, made the seizure during "counter-narcotics operations" in the Eastern Pacific. The incident was part of Operation Pacific Viper, an effort by the Trump Administration to stop the flow of illicit drugs through the Pacific Ocean. 

Video shows Coast Guard vehicles pursuing a go-fast vessel that appears to have multiple people aboard. A helicopter crew disabled the "non-compliant" vessel, the agency said. The Munro then arrived on scene to seize the drugs. 

The Coast Guard did not say what happened to the people who appeared to be aboard the vessel. 

"Our maritime fighting force is leading America's drug interdiction operations, protecting the Homeland, and keeping deadly drugs out of American communities," the Coast Guard said in a post on social media, alongside a video clip.

Authorities have long fought to intercept boats carrying drugs from Central and South America. The Trump administration has targeted some vessels with lethal strikes, killing dozens and drawing controversy. Some have questioned their legality, especially after a second strike was conducted on survivors of an incident on September 2. The Trump administration has defended the strikes.

Colombian authorities seized more than 7 tons of cocaine from boats in the Caribbean earlier this week, the country's navy said on social media. The drugs were valued at more than $340 million, and 11 people were taken into custody, the navy said in a separate statement.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,986]

I’d feel better if it were fentanyl. 

[Mr Fantasy 97]

57 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

THANK YOU MR. TRUMP!! 

 

 U.S. Coast Guard ship seized more than 20,000 pounds of cocaine from a single ship this week, making the largest at-sea interdiction in nearly 20 years, officials said.

The Coast Guard said the crew of the Munro, a cutter that patrols the Pacific and is based in Alameda, California, made the seizure during "counter-narcotics operations" in the Eastern Pacific. The incident was part of Operation Pacific Viper, an effort by the Trump Administration to stop the flow of illicit drugs through the Pacific Ocean. 

Video shows Coast Guard vehicles pursuing a go-fast vessel that appears to have multiple people aboard. A helicopter crew disabled the "non-compliant" vessel, the agency said. The Munro then arrived on scene to seize the drugs. 

The Coast Guard did not say what happened to the people who appeared to be aboard the vessel. 

"Our maritime fighting force is leading America's drug interdiction operations, protecting the Homeland, and keeping deadly drugs out of American communities," the Coast Guard said in a post on social media, alongside a video clip.

Authorities have long fought to intercept boats carrying drugs from Central and South America. The Trump administration has targeted some vessels with lethal strikes, killing dozens and drawing controversy. Some have questioned their legality, especially after a second strike was conducted on survivors of an incident on September 2. The Trump administration has defended the strikes.

Colombian authorities seized more than 7 tons of cocaine from boats in the Caribbean earlier this week, the country's navy said on social media. The drugs were valued at more than $340 million, and 11 people were taken into custody, the navy said in a separate statement.   

When they do this they should also keelhaul all of the boat’s occupants 

[edjr 6,979]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

Happened last spring in my area. A half dozen people died in my small city alone. Spooked one of my buddies pretty bad, he even disposed of his for fear it was tainted. 

I started in 2008 when I bought my fake bar. amazingly still alive 17 years later and still going strong 

[Mr Fantasy 97]

On 12/5/2025 at 4:38 PM, edjr said:

very unlikely to die from cocaine. the coke laced with fentanyl is a myth. has it happened? sure but likely an accident. what coke dealer is going to kill his customers?

Happened to guy and his brother in 2021 , Woburn Ma. One of them used to work for me. Dominican dealer 

[shadrap 267]

4 hours ago, dogcows said:

You can find somebody on the internet who agrees with anything you believe. That’s the magic of it, and the curse of it.

Blaine thinks Canadians are Marxists because they shot some birds. No I’m not making that up. That’s the level of partisan kookiness he deals in.

You could research the LOAC or maritime law, but nope. Just read something from an extreme partisan on NewsMax instead. 

Curiosity is seeking out new knowledge, not just looking for somebody who agrees with your pre-conceived notions.

Here’s the DoD law of war manual. Search it for “shipwrecked” which has an entire chapter.

https://ogc.osd.mil/Portals/99/department_of_defense_law_of_war_manual.pdf

 

shipwrecked?   Kinda doubt they fit in that category.

Also if it's so cut and dry why don't the Dems bring some charges?  Never stopped them before on sillier charges than this.

 

[Mike Honcho 5,518]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’d feel better if it were fentanyl. 

Well, no duh---everyone feels better when they take fentanyl.  

[dogcows 1,168]

11 minutes ago, shadrap said:

shipwrecked?   Kinda doubt they fit in that category.

Also if it's so cut and dry why don't the Dems bring some charges?  Never stopped them before on sillier charges than this.

 

You could literally read the definition of shipwrecked in the document. But I guess you’re too lazy. Cool to know what level of effort you’re willing to put in.

As for “bringing charges,” you clearly don’t know how that works either. 

Have fun out there, but please don’t pretend to be curious or serious. It’s embarrassing.