Charlie Kirk was just shot

[Hawkeye21 2,444]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Wasn't talking to you specifically, Kirk who said this, and others have repeated it.  So here's the problem.  Why has DEI put this in people's heads?  Because people like Kirk say it, and it spreads on social media, and they repeat it.  You think anyone is going to read the DEI policy of United to see for themselves?  Hell even a simple google search will tell you it's true.  But the lies spread anyway, which is a problem, and which is why people are holding Kirk accountable for it.  The trust has been eroded not because of DEI, but because of people like Kirk that question the qualifications of black people.

I can agree with your point there.  You would also have to hold all the other media networks accountable too.  Fox, CNN, MSNC, talk show hosts...  They all add to it.

[Sean Mooney 2,014]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

If I were a black pilot, or any black professional, I would be upset with the DEI crap.  All it's done is put doubt in the minds of the public.  Now everyone is questioning whether you earned your position or not.  That would bother me.

Well intentioned but not fully thought out is a lot of political policy. 

Also, people not understanding DEI is a bigger issue than what it actually does. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

Liberals generally have no idea how effective a victim mindset is for killing the potential of someone.

By teaching blacks they need extra assistance, they stunt their growth. Most successful black people see this trap and they point it out.

Who do liberals tend to listen to? The successful black people talking about how they transcended their origins? Or the poor black person who can't get out of his own way.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Well intentioned but not fully thought out is a lot of political policy. 

Also, people not understanding DEI is a bigger issue than what it actually does. 

You literally don't understand it, so you probably shouldn't talk about it.

[BrahmaBulls 849]

16 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Well I can tell you the answer is no, and before you say you don't trust a black pilot, you should know this.

Then why does DEI exist to hire black pilots if they are fully qualified?

[Hawkeye21 2,444]

7 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I'm not calling for war. I'm for settling this without going to war if possible.

My point was the far left cannot be reasoned with. It doesn't mean war is the only way to deal with them, but we need enough people on the side of common sense so it doesn't come to that.

I don't think the far left or the far right can be reasoned with.  That's the problem.  The right instantly decided the shooter was a liberal and they went into full attack mode.  They were wrong.  Even Trump was dumb enough to do it.

[Sean Mooney 2,014]

2 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

You literally don't understand it, so you probably shouldn't talk about it.

I understand pretty much all of it. I see you aren't interested in debating any particular merits of it though. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

I understand pretty much all of it. I see you aren't interested in debating any particular merits of it though. 

There are zero merits to teaching people they need special assistance because they aren't good enough without. DEI attempts to rectify a symptom, not a root cause. Which is where most of our issies stem from.

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

3 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Then why does DEI exist to hire black pilots if they are fully qualified?

Because without removing their barriers to entry they would never have the opportunities to be hired.  That's what the policy is about.

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

There are zero merits to teaching people they need special assistance because they aren't good enough without. DEI attempts to rectify a symptom, not a root cause. Which is where most of our issies stem from.

This is a clear lack of understanding about DEI policies.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't think the far left or the far right can be reasoned with.  That's the problem.  The right instantly decided the shooter was a liberal and they went into full attack mode.  They were wrong.  Even Trump was dumb enough to do it.

Agreed that people jump to conclusions, but you still have liberals, almost exclusively, cheering for Kirk's death. Those people are far more dangerous right now.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

This is a clear lack of understanding about DEI policies.

You have a clear lack of understanding about psychology and the human mind.

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

Agreed that people jump to conclusions, but you still have liberals, almost exclusively, cheering for Kirk's death. Those people are far more dangerous right now.

I don't know anyone who cheered his death, except that one dude that was here.  I'm afraid you're just reacting to what your social media feed wants you to.

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38 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

What does less qualified mean?  Either you believe they have the ability to fly a plane or you don't?  Please explain.

There's a hell of a lot of variation between those two extremes.  Trust me on that one 

[Sean Mooney 2,014]

2 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

There are zero merits to teaching people they need special assistance because they aren't good enough without. DEI attempts to rectify a symptom, not a root cause. Which is where most of our issies stem from.

So you chose the "I'll make up what you said and argue against it" style of debate. 

[BrahmaBulls 849]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Because without removing their barriers to entry they would never have the opportunities to be hired.  That's what the policy is about.

You’re claiming airlines won’t hire black pilots without government intervention but they are hiring fully qualified black pilots?

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

Just now, BrahmaBulls said:

You’re claiming airlines won’t hire black pilots without government intervention but they are hiring fully qualified black pilots?

I never claimed they won't hire black pilots.  The DEI programs promote opportunities for pilots who might otherwise not get them, primarily through financial assistance.  The goal is to increase the diversity but they don't lower standards.  That's the lie you believe.

[TimHauck 3,116]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't think the far left or the far right can be reasoned with.  That's the problem.  The right instantly decided the shooter was a liberal and they went into full attack mode.  They were wrong.  Even Trump was dumb enough to do it.

Are you saying you don’t think the shooter is a liberal?

[Hawkeye21 2,444]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Are you saying you don’t think the shooter is a liberal?

From what I've read, he doesn't look to be.

[TimHauck 3,116]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

From what I've read, he doesn't look to be.

Prepare to be attacked by a dozen posters here 

[Hawkeye21 2,444]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Prepare to be attacked by a dozen posters here 

I don't care.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

So you chose the "I'll make up what you said and argue against it" style of debate. 

It doesn't matter what you say. DEI does more harm than good. There is no argument for it. End of story.

[TimHauck 3,116]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

From what I've read, he doesn't look to be.

What do you make of the roommate?  Tranny?

[Hawkeye21 2,444]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

What do you make of the roommate?  Tranny?

I haven't read into that yet.  I'm willing to change my stance as new facts come available.

[BrahmaBulls 849]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I never claimed they won't hire black pilots.  The DEI programs promote opportunities for pilots who might otherwise not get them, primarily through financial assistance.  The goal is to increase the diversity but they don't lower standards.  That's the lie you believe.

Listen to yourself dummy. You don’t know what I believe.  Either the airlines won’t hire black pilots without this program or they are hiring unqualified black pilots to meet a quota or the program is completely useless liberal propaganda.  

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

DEI is treating a symptom with a system that harms the people more than helps them. Treating symptoms over root cause, bad. The treatment doing more harm than good, even more bad.

This is the mentality surrounding almost every system we have in the US.

[Sean Mooney 2,014]

5 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

DEI is treating a symptom with a system that harms the people more than helps them. Treating symptoms over root cause, bad. The treatment doing more harm than good, even more bad.

This is the mentality surrounding almost every system we have in the US.

Explain DEI. Avoid sweeping statements

[SaintsInDome2006 479]

24 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Liberals generally have no idea how effective a victim mindset is for killing the potential of someone.

By teaching blacks they need extra assistance, they stunt their growth. Most successful black people see this trap and they point it out.

Who do liberals tend to listen to? The successful black people talking about how they transcended their origins? Or the poor black person who can't get out of his own way.

I’m confused. OMB constantly talks about how he’s the most persecuted president in history. A good deal of maga is about how people with certain views are mistreated, ignored, treated as “deplorables.” Deep State, virus hoax, Russia hoax, Epstein hoax, fake news, on & on. The whole thing is grievance.

[TimHauck 3,116]

11 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

Nick Fuentes had 150k viewers on his stream tonight which was more than every major news network, Kai Cenat or speed. Biggest political streamer in the world and he isn’t even on YT because lefties banned him. He will now be the voice of the right wing youth and if you didn’t like Kirk you’re really going to hate Nick. 

Watch Nick on Rumble: https://rumble.com/c/nickjfuentes

Cozy.tv (founded by Nick): https://cozy.tv/nick

 

What Fuentes thinks of his fans:

 

[MDC 7,650]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I believe it's possible they hired less qualified people.  By doing that it increases the odds of something going wrong.  I don't see an issue with this line of thinking.

Pretty comprehensive article on the subject if you’re interested. Long story short: some flight training schools have made a push for DEI but the FAA hasn’t lowered the requirements for pilots, we have a massive pilot shortage now, all pilots meet FAA criteria but they’re generally less trained, that has nothing to do with diversity initiatives.

It takes some real balls for the POTUS who put Crackhead Rob in charge of HHS to complain about lower standards.  

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

"We need to unite" yet people can't even function in reality.

They would vote to bring back DEI. A program that harms this entire country. No.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,292]

14 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’m confused. OMB constantly talks about how he’s the most persecuted president in history. A good deal of maga is about how people with certain views are mistreated, ignored, treated as “deplorables.” Deep State, virus hoax, Russia hoax, Epstein hoax, fake news, on & on. The whole thing is grievance.

You're right, he does. He also operates on a different level than most people who use that excuse. It applies to most, but not all. Anyone who was hired with DEI, it applies to them just as much as it applies to me.

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

27 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

Listen to yourself dummy. You don’t know what I believe.  Either the airlines won’t hire black pilots without this program or they are hiring unqualified black pilots to meet a quota or the program is completely useless liberal propaganda.  

You just told me what you believe, and it's false.  To correct you, airlines obviously hire qualified black pilots.  There is no quota.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,422]

55 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Because without removing their barriers to entry they would never have the opportunities to be hired.  That's what the policy is about.

right cause black pilots never existed prior to 2018

 

[BrahmaBulls 849]

16 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You just told me what you believe, and it's false.  To correct you, airlines obviously hire qualified black pilots.  There is no quota.

So DEI is useless, unnecessary propaganda?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,422]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

The number of mass shootings has increased along with the number of guns.

Also we give Ukraine weapons of war.   How did it work out for David Koresh?

the number of fire arms per capita has gone DOWN

the number of kids put on drugs has increased 20 fold

 

[squistion 2,366]

 

[The Real timschochet 7,117]

50 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

From what I've read, he doesn't look to be.

He may be a leftist, we don’t know yet. He may be a far right extremist. 
 

But I’m 100% positive he is not a liberal. That’s a moderate ideology which does not allow for political violence of any kind. (Conservatives used to be the same, then unfortunately Donald Trump came along and changed that.) 

[Ron_Artest 1,852]

5 minutes ago, BrahmaBulls said:

So DEI is useless, unnecessary propaganda?

Nope.  According to your logic, as long as they hire 1 black pilot, then there is no problem in hiring more.  That is false.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,422]

36 minutes ago, MDC said:

Pretty comprehensive article on the subject if you’re interested. Long story short: some flight training schools have made a push for DEI but the FAA hasn’t lowered the requirements for pilots, we have a massive pilot shortage now, all pilots meet FAA criteria but they’re generally less trained, that has nothing to do with diversity initiatives.

It takes some real balls for the POTUS who put Crackhead Rob in charge of HHS to complain about lower standards.  

yep RFK jr is so crazy, especially compared to those covid morons you worshipped that held concerts in bubbles, closed beaches and lakes and filled in skate parks in the name of derp derp science