ANOTHER case of ICE not giving due process

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38 minutes ago, Strike said:

SID is becoming one of those drive by LIB posters won't doesn't really want to discuss anything; just wants to bash Trump whether he has a legitimate reason or not.  It's the slow progression you see with the disease called TDS.

I responded to your original post, no one else did. That had zero to do with Trump, it’s what happened to Good before it happened to her. Gonzalez drove off, ICE agent at the driver side window shot & killed him. I’ll even compliment you, it was prescient.

[SaintsInDome2006 916]

23 minutes ago, Reality said:

A rational person wouldn't need to ask this question. 

A rational person can see when someone in cuffs & restrained by 3 federal agents has pepper spray shot directly into his face & eyes.

[HellToupee 2,434]

Maine needs a good cleanup 

 

“Catch of the Day Maine style: ICE rolls through Portland, cuffs Juan smooth as butter, walks him out like pros.

Streets empty of petulant socialists hurling “Nazi!” tantrums for once.

Pro tip, agents: Pair the W with a steaming bowl of New England clam chowder. You earned it.“

https://x.com/kimkatieusa/status/2014358650228560173?s=46&t=6lIrLFMCF1K0N7A7JwF7fg

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17 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I responded to your original post, no one else did. That had zero to do with Trump, it’s what happened to Good before it happened to her. Gonzalez drove off, ICE agent at the driver side window shot & killed him. I’ll even compliment you, it was prescient.

I have no idea what this post is even talking about?  When you say original post which post are you talking about?  I thought you were talking about today but then you mentioned the Good incident which I don't think I've even discussed today so it can't be that, can it?   I don't even know who this Gonzalez person you then mentioned is. TDS is really turning your brain to mush.

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[SaintsInDome2006 916]

I’ve Covered Police Abuse for 20 Years. What ICE Is Doing Is Different.

>>>>Police agencies in the United States kill more than 1,000 people each year. After many of those deaths, the agencies involved put out statements. Those statements often use what’s known as the exonerative voice to minimize officers’ involvement. The first statement from the Minneapolis Police Department after George Floyd’s death, for example, said that the officers at the scene “noted that he appeared to be suffering from medical distress.” Quite the understatement. These communications often cast events in a light most favorable to the officers involved, sometimes to the point of deception. Too often, they’ll try to smear the deceased by citing a criminal record or suggesting a drug addiction or gang affiliation.

I have been covering policing for more than 20 years and have read and parsed a lot of these statements. The Department of Homeland Security’s response after the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jonathan Ross shot and killed Renee Good in Minneapolis this month is something else entirely.

For all their flaws, typical communications from police officials usually include a modicum of solemnity. There are assurances that there will be a fair and impartial investigation, even if those investigations too often turn out to be neither. There’s at least the acknowledgment that to take a human life is a profound and serious thing.

The Trump administration’s response to Ms. Good’s death made no such concessions. There were no promises of an impartial investigation. There was no regret or remorse. There was little empathy for her family — for her parents, her partner or the children she left behind. From the moment the world learned about her death, the administration pronounced the shooting not only justified but an act of heroism worthy of praise and celebration.

We started to see this in the way the Trump administration responded to previous shootings by immigration officers, including of Carlitos Ricardo Parias in Los Angeles and Marimar Martinez in Chicago. Administration officials quickly declared those shootings justified — and righteous — with hyperbolic language similar to that used after Ms. Good’s killing. Those claims would also later be disproved by witnesses’ accounts and other evidence. The government eventually dropped the charges against Ms. Martinez. A judge dismissed Mr. Parias’s charges with prejudice, meaning they can’t be brought again.

 

In fact, nearly all of the administration’s responses to deaths in custody, shootings or other accusations of abuses have used maximalist language to venerate immigration officers, dehumanize their victims and villainize anyone who doesn’t support the Trump administration. There are no disinterested parties. No innocent bystanders. People are either criminal immigrants or radical leftists who deserve what happens to them, or they are heroic, patriotic federal cops incapable of mistakes. There is no humanity for the civilians and no humility for the officers.

Last week, after federal agents dragged Aliya Rahman, a U.S. citizen, from her car and arrested her, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson referred to her as an agitator who was obstructing immigration operations. She was trying to get to a doctor’s appointment at the Traumatic Brain Injury Center. When immigration officers used pepper spray and possibly flash grenades on a vehicle with a family inside, sending three children to the hospital, the department posted to social media, “It is horrific to see radical agitators bring children to violent riots. PLEASE STOP ENDANGERING YOUR CHILDREN.” The family was headed home from a child’s basketball game.

In addition to such language, the administration has embraced fear tactics long associated with totalitarian regimes. Until now, law enforcement officers in the United States rarely masked their faces, save for during specialty operations like SWAT raids. For most agencies, this isn’t a written policy; it’s just been accepted that masked policing isn’t consistent with a democratic society. We want law enforcement officers to see themselves as accountable to the community. And we want community members to see officers as approachable, so they’ll cooperate. Masks undermine both. They instill fear in the community and encourage a menacing aura of infallibility among officers.

Instilling fear is a drawback only if your goal is public safety. This administration has made clear that it doesn’t want marginalized communities — immigrants, Somali U.S. citizens, residents of Latino neighborhoods and so on — to feel safe. It wants them living in fear. This is why they mask. It’s why they shatter car windows. It’s why Stephen Miller, the architect of Mr. Trump’s immigration agenda, went on cable news to assure federal immigration officers, incorrectly, that they have complete immunity from criminal or civil liability and why, after Ms. Good’s death, Department of Homeland Security social media accounts reiterated Mr. Miller’s claim.

The administration has resurrected tactics that professional policing groups have deemed dangerous or counterproductive. ProPublica recently reported on 40 incidents over the past year in which federal immigration officers used potentially fatal chokeholds that are banned by most police agencies. Federal agents have shot into cars at least 10 timessince September. This, too, is prohibited by most big city police agencies, in part because it’s too easy to mistake a driver’s intent.

 

Videos from cities where Mr. Trump has sent federal agents have shown agents attempting to stop fast-moving vehicles with techniques that most police departments prohibit or reserve for rare confrontations involving exceptionally dangerous people. They’re now being used against people suspected of immigration violations or who are irritating officers with their protest. Mr. Ross was involved in a previous incident in which he reached into a car and used a stun gun on a person while the car was in motion — reckless tactics that should have gotten him fired.

It’s clear that immigration officials are routinely breaking the law. There’s persuasive evidence that they’ve been explicitly racially profiling people in Minneapolis and elsewhere. (The Supreme Court effectively permittedprofiling people by race and other factors in a September ruling.) They’ve been requiring U.S. citizens to produce proof of their citizenship on demand — also a violation of federal law. And we’ve seen U.S. citizens dragged from their cars, homes and workplaces, then arrested or detained.

We’ve seen the unlawful arrest and incarceration of Somali refugees who have legal permission to be here, warrantless raidson private homes and reports that detainees are being denied access to lawyers. And we’ve seen routine excessive force against protesters, from casual use of chemical irritants to physical violence to firing less lethal munitions at them from close range. These are all violations of the law. Not only is there no indication that the administration has investigated any of this, but the videos it posts to social media even seem to celebrate it.

All of which brings us back to Ms. Good. Over the weekend, the deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche, said on Fox News that there will be no federal investigation into her killing. The administration has already said the F.B.I. will not share the evidence it collected with the local police so they can conduct their own investigations, either. This is the very definition of a cover-up. It’s just being done in plain sight.

There are still important, unanswered questions about what Mr. Ross and other agents did in the moments leading up to Ms. Good’s death and whether he was legally justified to use lethal force. Those questions will now be much more difficult to answer.

We conduct these investigations not just to determine whether an officer should be charged with a crime. We also conduct them to determine if a shooting was necessary — and if it wasn’t, if there are policy changes that could prevent similar shootings.

In refusing to investigate Ms. Good’s death, the Department of Justice is, at a minimum, indicating that it doesn’t believe that preventing similar deaths is all that important. But the real explanation may be more sinister. Since she was killed, we’ve seen multiple videos in which immigration officers refer to her death to threaten people lawfully observing or recording them. The real motivation appears to be to make all the other Renee Goods out there, the liberal “wine moms” watching over immigration raids, wonder if they might be next.

The Department of Justice instead opened a federal investigation into Ms. Good’s partner, specifically into whether she obstructed federal agents in the moments before the shooting and if she has any ties to activist groups. This prompted six federal prosecutors to resign. The administration then announced it had opened criminal investigations into whether Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota and Mayor Jacob Frey of Minneapolis obstructed immigration enforcement. The department subpoenaed them and three other Minnesota leaders on Tuesday.

It’s one thing to tank or slow-walk an investigation. It’s quite another to publicly declare that no investigation will happen on any level and then announce that you’ll be investigating the victim’s partner and supporters instead. Both paths are unethical and corrupt. Undermining an investigation at least pays lip service to the idea of accountability and public trust. The administration’s actions in Ms. Good’s case are a declaration that there will be no accountability and that it would prefer to instill fear rather than trust.

We can still stop these abuses of power, but we need to be clear about what we’re facing. This is no longer a conversation about law enforcement or immigration policy. This is about authoritarianism.<<<<

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,291]

Crime is way down.  But let’s listen to a guy that wrote a book and got it wrong. 

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The poor guy can’t even get tacos now 

 

[SaintsInDome2006 916]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,291]

Administrative warrants have been used for decades and they are constitutional.  If someone has a deportation order that means they have been given the due process THEY are entitled to. Keep screeching liberals. 

[SaintsInDome2006 916]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Administrative warrants have been used for decades and they are constitutional.  If someone has a deportation order that means they have been given the due process THEY are entitled to. Keep screeching liberals. 

This is not a conservative position. It’s also not a liberal position. Both liberals & conservatives believe that the 4th Amendment requires a judicial warrant. And btw many of the people arrested in this thread didn’t have deportation orders at all.

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3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I’ve Covered Police Abuse for 20 Years. What ICE Is Doing Is Different.

>>>>Police agencies in the United States kill more than 1,000 people each year. After many of those deaths, the agencies involved put out statements. Those statements often use what’s known as the exonerative voice to minimize officers’ involvement. The first statement from the Minneapolis Police Department after George Floyd’s death, for example, said that the officers at the scene “noted that he appeared to be suffering from medical distress.” Quite the understatement. These communications often cast events in a light most favorable to the officers involved, sometimes to the point of deception. Too often, they’ll try to smear the deceased by citing a criminal record or suggesting a drug addiction or gang affiliation.

I have been covering policing for more than 20 years and have read and parsed a lot of these statements. The Department of Homeland Security’s response after the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent Jonathan Ross shot and killed Renee Good in Minneapolis this month is something else entirely.

For all their flaws, typical communications from police officials usually include a modicum of solemnity. There are assurances that there will be a fair and impartial investigation, even if those investigations too often turn out to be neither. There’s at least the acknowledgment that to take a human life is a profound and serious thing.

The Trump administration’s response to Ms. Good’s death made no such concessions. There were no promises of an impartial investigation. There was no regret or remorse. There was little empathy for her family — for her parents, her partner or the children she left behind. From the moment the world learned about her death, the administration pronounced the shooting not only justified but an act of heroism worthy of praise and celebration.
 

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We started to see this in the way the Trump administration responded to previous shootings by immigration officers, including of Carlitos Ricardo Parias in Los Angeles and Marimar Martinez in Chicago. Administration officials quickly declared those shootings justified — and righteous — with hyperbolic language similar to that used after Ms. Good’s killing. Those claims would also later be disproved by witnesses’ accounts and other evidence. The government eventually dropped the charges against Ms. Martinez. A judge dismissed Mr. Parias’s charges with prejudice, meaning they can’t be brought again.

 

In fact, nearly all of the administration’s responses to deaths in custody, shootings or other accusations of abuses have used maximalist language to venerate immigration officers, dehumanize their victims and villainize anyone who doesn’t support the Trump administration. There are no disinterested parties. No innocent bystanders. People are either criminal immigrants or radical leftists who deserve what happens to them, or they are heroic, patriotic federal cops incapable of mistakes. There is no humanity for the civilians and no humility for the officers.

Last week, after federal agents dragged Aliya Rahman, a U.S. citizen, from her car and arrested her, a Department of Homeland Security spokesperson referred to her as an agitator who was obstructing immigration operations. She was trying to get to a doctor’s appointment at the Traumatic Brain Injury Center. When immigration officers used pepper spray and possibly flash grenades on a vehicle with a family inside, sending three children to the hospital, the department posted to social media, “It is horrific to see radical agitators bring children to violent riots. PLEASE STOP ENDANGERING YOUR CHILDREN.” The family was headed home from a child’s basketball game.

In addition to such language, the administration has embraced fear tactics long associated with totalitarian regimes. Until now, law enforcement officers in the United States rarely masked their faces, save for during specialty operations like SWAT raids. For most agencies, this isn’t a written policy; it’s just been accepted that masked policing isn’t consistent with a democratic society. We want law enforcement officers to see themselves as accountable to the community. And we want community members to see officers as approachable, so they’ll cooperate. Masks undermine both. They instill fear in the community and encourage a menacing aura of infallibility among officers.

Instilling fear is a drawback only if your goal is public safety. This administration has made clear that it doesn’t want marginalized communities — immigrants, Somali U.S. citizens, residents of Latino neighborhoods and so on — to feel safe. It wants them living in fear. This is why they mask. It’s why they shatter car windows. It’s why Stephen Miller, the architect of Mr. Trump’s immigration agenda, went on cable news to assure federal immigration officers, incorrectly, that they have complete immunity from criminal or civil liability and why, after Ms. Good’s death, Department of Homeland Security social media accounts reiterated Mr. Miller’s claim.

The administration has resurrected tactics that professional policing groups have deemed dangerous or counterproductive. ProPublica recently reported on 40 incidents over the past year in which federal immigration officers used potentially fatal chokeholds that are banned by most police agencies. Federal agents have shot into cars at least 10 timessince September. This, too, is prohibited by most big city police agencies, in part because it’s too easy to mistake a driver’s intent.

 

Videos from cities where Mr. Trump has sent federal agents have shown agents attempting to stop fast-moving vehicles with techniques that most police departments prohibit or reserve for rare confrontations involving exceptionally dangerous people. They’re now being used against people suspected of immigration violations or who are irritating officers with their protest. Mr. Ross was involved in a previous incident in which he reached into a car and used a stun gun on a person while the car was in motion — reckless tactics that should have gotten him fired.

It’s clear that immigration officials are routinely breaking the law. There’s persuasive evidence that they’ve been explicitly racially profiling people in Minneapolis and elsewhere. (The Supreme Court effectively permittedprofiling people by race and other factors in a September ruling.) They’ve been requiring U.S. citizens to produce proof of their citizenship on demand — also a violation of federal law. And we’ve seen U.S. citizens dragged from their cars, homes and workplaces, then arrested or detained.

We’ve seen the unlawful arrest and incarceration of Somali refugees who have legal permission to be here, warrantless raidson private homes and reports that detainees are being denied access to lawyers. And we’ve seen routine excessive force against protesters, from casual use of chemical irritants to physical violence to firing less lethal munitions at them from close range. These are all violations of the law. Not only is there no indication that the administration has investigated any of this, but the videos it posts to social media even seem to celebrate it.

All of which brings us back to Ms. Good. Over the weekend, the deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche, said on Fox News that there will be no federal investigation into her killing. The administration has already said the F.B.I. will not share the evidence it collected with the local police so they can conduct their own investigations, either. This is the very definition of a cover-up. It’s just being done in plain sight.

There are still important, unanswered questions about what Mr. Ross and other agents did in the moments leading up to Ms. Good’s death and whether he was legally justified to use lethal force. Those questions will now be much more difficult to answer.

We conduct these investigations not just to determine whether an officer should be charged with a crime. We also conduct them to determine if a shooting was necessary — and if it wasn’t, if there are policy changes that could prevent similar shootings.

In refusing to investigate Ms. Good’s death, the Department of Justice is, at a minimum, indicating that it doesn’t believe that preventing similar deaths is all that important. But the real explanation may be more sinister. Since she was killed, we’ve seen multiple videos in which immigration officers refer to her death to threaten people lawfully observing or recording them. The real motivation appears to be to make all the other Renee Goods out there, the liberal “wine moms” watching over immigration raids, wonder if they might be next.

The Department of Justice instead opened a federal investigation into Ms. Good’s partner, specifically into whether she obstructed federal agents in the moments before the shooting and if she has any ties to activist groups. This prompted six federal prosecutors to resign. The administration then announced it had opened criminal investigations into whether Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota and Mayor Jacob Frey of Minneapolis obstructed immigration enforcement. The department subpoenaed them and three other Minnesota leaders on Tuesday.

It’s one thing to tank or slow-walk an investigation. It’s quite another to publicly declare that no investigation will happen on any level and then announce that you’ll be investigating the victim’s partner and supporters instead. Both paths are unethical and corrupt. Undermining an investigation at least pays lip service to the idea of accountability and public trust. The administration’s actions in Ms. Good’s case are a declaration that there will be no accountability and that it would prefer to instill fear rather than trust.

 

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We can still stop these abuses of power, but we need to be clear about what we’re facing. This is no longer a conversation about law enforcement or immigration policy. This is about authoritarianism.<<<<

 

 

Radley Balko is a senior writer and investigative reporter for the Huffington Post

 

 

Yea, I'm gonna take his opinion with a grain of salt

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15 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is not a conservative position. It’s also not a liberal position. Both liberals & conservatives believe that the 4th Amendment requires a judicial warrant. And btw many of the people arrested in this thread didn’t have deportation orders at all.

Everything I said is true. You said some stuff

[SaintsInDome2006 916]

14 minutes ago, SUXBNME said:

Radley Balko is a senior writer and investigative reporter for the Huffington Post

Yea, I'm gonna take his opinion with a grain of salt

It’s the New York Times, not HuffPost. “

“Radley Balko is the author of “Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces” and the criminal justice newsletter The Watch.”

>>Radley Balko is an investigative journalist and reporter at the Washington Post. He currently writes and edits The Watch, a reported opinion blog that covers civil liberties and the criminal justice system. He is the author of the 2013 book Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces, which has won widespread acclaim, including from the Economist, New Yorker, Wall Street Journal, and Publishers Weekly, and was named one of the best investigative journalism books of the year by the Nieman Foundation at Harvard University. Since 2006, Balko has written dozens of pieces on Hayne, West, and Mississippi’s forensics disaster. His January 2013 investigation, “Solving Kathy Mabry’s Murder: Brutal 15-Year-Old Crime Highlights Decades-Long Mississippi Scandal,” was one of the most widely read Huffington Postarticles of 2013. In 2015, Balko was awarded the Innocence Project’s Journalism Award, in part for his coverage in Mississippi.<<

>>>We can still stop these abuses of power, but we need to be clear about what we’re facing. This is no longer a conversation about law enforcement or immigration policy. This is about authoritarianism.<<<

[SaintsInDome2006 916]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Everything I said is true. You said some stuff

It’s inaccurate. Immigration judges aren’t even ALJs & they don’t issue warrants. That’s one thing. Another is that judicial warrant has always & everywhere since the founding of our nation been required to enter property. Administrative warrants are signed by Immigration officers, not judges.

The stuff I said is that your assertion - that federal agents can issue warrants & enter & seize property is radically anti-American, it’s certainly not conservative.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,291]

I laugh at anyone that thinks the police in our country have been militarized. Thats funny. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,291]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It’s inaccurate. Immigration judges aren’t even ALJs & they don’t issue warrants. That’s one thing. Another is that judicial warrant has always & everywhere since the founding of our nation been required to enter property. Administrative warrants are signed by Immigration officers, not judges.

Administrative warrants have been used for years, and have been ruled on as constitutional.  

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Administrative warrants have been used for years, and have been ruled on as constitutional.  

You can detain someone on a deportation order. That’s all you can do with it. You can’t do door to door sweeps, ask for papers, or enter property.

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11 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

It’s the New York Times, not HuffPost. “

“Radley Balko is the author of “Rise of the Warrior Cop: The Militarization of America’s Police Forces” and the criminal justice newsletter The Watch.”

 

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I know this. He also writes for Huff. 
Either way, it's an opinion piece and I'm pretty sure he has an agenda. 

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[SaintsInDome2006 916]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I laugh at anyone that thinks the police in our country have been militarized. Thats funny. 

I’m old enough to remember right wingers freaking out because the Obama administration was sending Iraq war surplus to local police departments.

[SaintsInDome2006 916]

 

[dogcows 1,479]

9 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

ICE did NOT target a child. The child was ABANDONED. On January 20, ICE conducted a targeted operation to arrest Adrian Alexander Conejo Arias an illegal alien from Ecuador who was RELEASED into the U.S. by the Biden administration. As agents approached the driver Adrian Alexander Conejo Arias, fled on foot—abandoning his child. For the child’s safety, one of our ICE officers remained with the child while the other officers apprehended Conejo Arias.   Parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children, or ICE will place the children with a safe person the parent designates. This is consistent with past administration’s immigration enforcement. Parents can take control of their departure and receive a free flight and $2,600 with the CBP Home app. By using the CBP Home app illegal aliens reserve the chance to come back the right legal way.

@DHSgov

Good job literally posting the government propaganda verbatim.  

DHS has lied about pretty much every single thing they’ve done since Gnome took over. Quoting them is good for one thing: a record of what they said to later prove it was yet another lie when more facts come out.

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Not sure if anybody posted this yet. A detainee died by homicide while in ICE custody.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ice-detainee-death-geraldo-lunas-campos-autopsy-homicide-asphyxia-b2905920.html?utm_source=flipboard&amp;utm_medium=activitypub

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The autopsy report by the El Paso County Medical Examiner’s Office, released Wednesday, found Lunas Campos' body showed signs of a struggle, including abrasions on his chest and knees.

He also had hemorrhages on his neck. The deputy medical examiner, Dr. Adam Gonzalez. determined the cause of death was asphyxia due to neck and torso compression.

Also: ICE falsely claimed this was a suicide. We must assume everything they say is a lie. As I said before, this agency should be shut down by Congress pending a top-to-bottom review, audit, and as many investigations as it takes.

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8 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

 

5 agents to arrest a kid on the street in broad daylight.  Where’s DOGE when you need them?

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1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

5 agents to arrest a kid on the street in broad daylight.  Where’s DOGE when you need them?

They’re busy selling social security data on the black market.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/nation-world/doj-filing-doge-shared-social-security-data-unauthorized-server/507-56fb089e-d8b2-4cdd-8cc1-40cafb02fa05

[Hardcore troubadour 16,291]

Yeah so that sloppy beast that claimed that ICE tear gassed her kid (lie)? Charged with second degree murder in 2019. Nice crew you’re defending there shitlibs. 

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

5 agents to arrest a kid on the street in broad daylight.  Where’s DOGE when you need them?

Not sure what the traditional protocol has been over the decades but why would anyone be surprised that they have to go in overkill in almost every situation at the moment, especially in blue states, given the lack of civility shown by libs towards ICE?  If the local governments would cooperate, honor ICE holds, and allow the orderly hand over of criminal illegals at jails and police stations things would be a lot more orderly, efficient, and cost effective.  But that's not what your side wants.  So here we are.

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6 hours ago, dogcows said:

They’re busy selling social security data on the black market.

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/nation-world/doj-filing-doge-shared-social-security-data-unauthorized-server/507-56fb089e-d8b2-4cdd-8cc1-40cafb02fa05

@jerryskids says I'm a TDS "tard" for thinking that this could happen.

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Remember the guy the pulled out of the shower and perp walked in his underwear in the cold?  Drive him around for a few hours and the dropped him off?

US citizen.

Oh and the suspect they were looking for?  Already in jail!

You magas support a corrupt incompetent Gestapo.

Target of Viral Botched ICE Raid Was Already in Prison https://share.google/AEA0l5aikkeBweBTr

 

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5 hours ago, Strike said:

Not sure what the traditional protocol has been over the decades but why would anyone be surprised that they have to go in overkill in almost every situation at the moment, especially in blue states, given the lack of civility shown by libs towards ICE?  If the local governments would cooperate, honor ICE holds, and allow the orderly hand over of criminal illegals at jails and police stations things would be a lot more orderly, efficient, and cost effective.  But that's not what your side wants.  So here we are.

I think many would argue that even just in the last year, it was DHS getting out of hand first that largely happened before a “lack of civility” from the public.  Unless maybe you consider things like just standing there filming a “lack of civility,” because there have been numerous incidents where a member of the public was simply filming DHS and they’ve tried to prevent them from filming or knocked the phone out of their hands before the person had done anything that would be considered by a normal person to be a “lack of civility.”     For example the 71 year old Jewish grandma that you actually believed was pushing ICE agents (lol.  Released without charges)

[MDC 8,312]

“FEAR NOT, GREAT PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA, THE DAY OF RECKONING & RETRIBUTION IS COMING!”

Our POTUS. No surprise his goon squad behave like animals.  

[dogcows 1,479]

7 hours ago, Strike said:

If the local governments would cooperate, honor ICE holds, and allow the orderly hand over of criminal illegals at jails and police stations things would be a lot more orderly, efficient, and cost effective.

Did you miss my posts where I showed that they actually WERE doing those things already?

Journalists looked up the people on the “worst of the worst” list and almost all of them were criminals that were handed over by local authorities BEFORE the raids even started.

i don’t know who is feeding you the lies that local authorities aren’t cooperating.

I do think that ICE might not get much future cooperation after lying about it and then detaining off-duty cops.

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2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Did you miss my posts where I showed that they actually WERE doing those things already?

Journalists looked up the people on the “worst of the worst” list and almost all of them were criminals that were handed over by local authorities BEFORE the raids even started.

i don’t know who is feeding you the lies that local authorities aren’t cooperating.

I do think that ICE might not get much future cooperation after lying about it and then detaining off-duty cops.

If they are why are was Laken Riley’s murderer back on the streets? 

[dogcows 1,479]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Remember the guy the pulled out of the shower and perp walked in his underwear in the cold?  Drive him around for a few hours and the dropped him off?

US citizen.

Oh and the suspect they were looking for?  Already in jail!

You magas support a corrupt incompetent Gestapo.

Target of Viral Botched ICE Raid Was Already in Prison https://share.google/AEA0l5aikkeBweBTr

The Patriot Act greased the skids for an authoritarian regime. It only took 25 years for it to be weaponized like this.

I remember when they said it was only temporary. But then Bush got us into all those wars and they said we needed to keep reauthorizing it.

I think it should be repealed ASAP. DHS is terrorizing people instead of making the “homeland” secure.

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10 hours ago, TimHauck said:

5 agents to arrest a kid on the street in broad daylight.  Where’s DOGE when you need them?

Gee I wonder why they needed more manpower. Maybe if the public wasn’t interfering and blowing the whistles like sissies they wouldn’t have to use extra people 

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13 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Gee I wonder why they needed more manpower. Maybe if the public wasn’t interfering and blowing the whistles like sissies they wouldn’t have to use extra people 

Yet another person vomiting out stupid RW talking points like it’s their job.

”Do exactly what I say or get killed” is what criminals say to hostages. It is NOT what federal immigration agents should be saying to anybody. ESPECIALLY citizens.

They need to GTFO. Here’s them tossing flash bangs and running around like idiots for no reason in DC this week. Absolute CLOWNS.

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19 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Gee I wonder why they needed more manpower. Maybe if the public wasn’t interfering and blowing the whistles like sissies they wouldn’t have to use extra people 

 

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3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

 

Why did the illegal alien father run away and abandon his 5 yo son? Congrats on pushing the propaganda. Hook , line & sinker

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2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

I think many would argue that even just in the last year, it was DHS getting out of hand first that largely happened before a “lack of civility” from the public.

And those people would be wrong.  Some intentionally, as activists and the MSM push that narrative.  And some unintentionally because they're fed that narrative and, like most of the libs here, don't realize the BS they're being fed by the MSM.

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7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

 

You're still pushing this false narrative, eh?  This is exactly what I'm talking about @TimHauck.  Of course the average person just trying to live their life is going to be outraged when they hear that ICE "kidnapped" a 5 year old and shipped him off to Texas.  But that's not, as Paul Harvey would say, THE REST OF THE STORY.