If liberal politics causes more crime, then explain this:

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,439]

6 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Just stop blaming socioeconomics on the behavior of blacks. Every other race in the world has their poor people and literally no one else acts like this but blacks. No one glorifies bad behavior the way they do. 

I’m not disagreeing I’m trying to use the way Tim thinks to discuss things the way he might understand 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,721]

How come the population of black people has decreased so much in California? It’s full of liberals that just love them. 

[iam90sbaby 2,714]

8 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I’m not disagreeing I’m trying to use the way Tim thinks to discuss things the way he might understand 

Fair enough, my apologies 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,439]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How come the population of black people has decreased so much in California? It’s full of liberals that just love them. 

they got pushed out for mexicans

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,721]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

they got pushed out for mexicans

 

Like replaced? Liberals did this? No way.  

[jonnyutah 442]

41 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

literally no one else acts like this but blacks. No one glorifies bad behavior the way they do. 

This statement is a hard truth. Liberals freak out and think it is racist, but it really is just an empirical fact.

Black culture elevates behaviors that other cultures dont. 

But what is worse is there is zero accountability when they are behaving poorly. I mean look at the woman that was just arrested in texas at the kirk vigil. She is bouncing around, yelling, and getting in people's faces. When somebody asks her why is she being so aggressive she immediately says he is just saying that because she is a black woman. Not because she is objectively being aggressive. Her statement will be reinforced by almost every black person she encounters. 

She will give herself a forever free pass to act that way. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,439]

37 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Like replaced? Liberals did this? No way.  

replacement theory is racist and a lie

[jonnyutah 442]

18 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

This statement is a hard truth. Liberals freak out and think it is racist, but it really is just an empirical fact.

Black culture elevates behaviors that other cultures dont. 

But what is worse is there is zero accountability when they are behaving poorly. I mean look at the woman that was just arrested in texas at the kirk vigil. She is bouncing around, yelling, and getting in people's faces. When somebody asks her why is she being so aggressive she immediately says he is just saying that because she is a black woman. Not because she is objectively being aggressive. Her statement will be reinforced by almost every black person she encounters. 

She will give herself a forever free pass to act that way. 

To expand on this. There is not one other race or ethnicity where this scenario could play out like this.

Now many people will say well there is a harmful stereotype of black women being aggressive and we shouldnt reinforce that. But this kind of thinking just perpetuates it. 

I think many good, decent people have long felt that if we just give them enough stuff and bite our lips long enough at some point there will be a threshold that will get crossed where these behaviors will start to go down. That if we dont amplify certain behaviors or even defend certain behaviors that these "harmful stereotypes" will go away and that is when nirvana will be reached because they somehow believed that it was the stereotypes that cause the problems. 

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,721]

Only one group, that I have seen, freaks the fok out on a consistent basis because they didn’t get enough sauce for their nuggets. 

[jonnyutah 442]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Only one group, that I have seen, freaks the fok out on a consistent basis because they didn’t get enough sauce for their nuggets. 

That is just a harmful stereotype. 

[supermike80 2,028]

49 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Only one group, that I have seen, freaks the fok out on a consistent basis because they didn’t get enough sauce for their nuggets. 

Fatties?

[The Real timschochet 7,124]

I appreciate many of the responses to this thread, though some of the racist ones are pretty disgusting. 
 

Getting back to the main point I was attempting to make with my example: there is no evidence that liberal policies on crime lead to worse outcomes than conservative policies on crime. There is no evidence that Democratic  run governments, state and local,  create worse outcomes on crime than do Republican run governments. Whatever you believe the root causes of crime are (and here we obviously disagree widely) liberal vs conservative and Democrat vs Republican are not important factors. 

[jerryskids 6,965]

17 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re very patronizing. Poverty in different countries is relative to the rest of society. If people don’t have enough to feed their children without help I call that poverty. Is it the equivalent of poverty in Bangladesh? No. But it also isn’t Denmark either. 

The US isn't Denmark.  Denmark is the home of "hygge," which loosely translates into "happy with good enough."  

True, there is little poverty.  There is also little extreme wealth.

The top 10% in Denmark makes $120K.  Here it is $235K, almost twice as much.

The top 1% in Denmark makes $300K  Here it is $800K, almost three times as much.

Denmark takes much more in taxes and provides much more social services.

And of course, Denmark is not ethnically diverse.  85-87% of people there are Danish.  Also a low population, just under 6M.  This combination makes it much easier to provide services like health care.

If this sounds like a better model to you or your socialist friends, you are welcome to move there and become a citizen.  Be warned though, it's not easy.

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To become a citizen of Denmark, foreign nationals must typically apply for Danish citizenship by naturalisation after meeting stringent requirements, including continuous legal residency for a minimum of nine years, a permanent residence permit, demonstrated proficiency in the Danish language, and knowledge of Danish society through tests. Other requirements include demonstrating financial self-sufficiency and not having a criminal record. Applications are submitted digitally, and approval requires passing a naturalization bill passed by the Danish Parliament. 

 

[seafoam1 3,254]

18 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I understand that you believe that there is something inherently about black people that makes them more prone to committing crimes. But I’m more curious about how the non-racists here might explain this. 

It's culture. This has been correctly explained to you multiple times. Just because your low IQ won't allow you to understand doesn't mean you should set yourself on repeat and keep posting the same uneducated shlt over and over again on this site. 

Everybody already knows you throw around the word racist to the point where it is meaningless coming from you. 

[The Real timschochet 7,124]

Just now, jerryskids said:

The US isn't Denmark.  Denmark is the home of "hygge," which loosely translates into "happy with good enough."  

True, there is little poverty.  There is also little extreme wealth.

The top 10% in Denmark makes $120K.  Here it is $235K, almost twice as much.

The top 1% in Denmark makes $300K  Here it is $800K, almost three times as much.

Denmark takes much more in taxes and provides much more social services.

And of course, Denmark is not ethnically diverse.  85-87% of people there are Danish.  Also a low population, just under 6M.  This combination makes it much easier to provide services like health care.

If this sounds like a better model to you or your socialist friends, you are welcome to move there and become a citizen.  Be warned though, it's not easy.

 

I don’t think it’s a better model. I’m a capitalist. I want people to become as wealthy as they can without limits. Mamdami says nobody should be a billionaire? Screw him. I want to be a billionaire. 

On the other hand I would like to see a bigger safety net for the poor and less fortunate among us. In that respect I admire Denmark and I wish we could capture that element of their society. I don’t see why we can’t have both a bigger safety net and more capitalism and freedom for everyone. It’s not an either or proposition. 

[iam90sbaby 2,714]

26 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I appreciate many of the responses to this thread, though some of the racist ones are pretty disgusting. 
 

Getting back to the main point I was attempting to make with my example: there is no evidence that liberal policies on crime lead to worse outcomes than conservative policies on crime. There is no evidence that Democratic  run governments, state and local,  create worse outcomes on crime than do Republican run governments. Whatever you believe the root causes of crime are (and here we obviously disagree widely) liberal vs conservative and Democrat vs Republican are not important factors. 

Yeah it’s the people, blacks are more prone to violence and there’s no democrat or republican policy that can fix it. 

[TheNewGirl 1,582]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

If this sounds like a better model to you or your socialist friends, you are welcome to move there and become a citizen.  Be warned though, it's not easy.

 

A lot of European countries have those kinds of requirements, however I think recently with influx of immigrants there the requirements have fallen by the way-side. Germany is close to Denmark; must live there for eight years, know the language proficiently, etc. 

They DO have programs for individuals seeking asylum, however they are only allowed to stay in a certain jurisdiction/county for a set amount of time...so they are constantly moving all over the country to locations they haven't lived. Eventually, they will run out and have to go somewhere else to live. 

[seafoam1 3,254]

13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think it’s a better model. I’m a capitalist. I want people to become as wealthy as they can without limits. Mamdami says nobody should be a billionaire? Screw him. I want to be a billionaire. 

On the other hand I would like to see a bigger safety net for the poor and less fortunate among us. In that respect I admire Denmark and I wish we could capture that element of their society. I don’t see why we can’t have both a bigger safety net and more capitalism and freedom for everyone. It’s not an either or proposition. 

Feel free to share your millions with the "less fortunate among us". No one is stopping you. 

Actually, I think you are the one who wants/needs charity. You and your fellow  underachieving libtards are the ones always whining about not having jobs and the cost of eggs. You can't even afford $2.79 for a dozen eggs. 

[TheNewGirl 1,582]

17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think it’s a better model. I’m a capitalist. I want people to become as wealthy as they can without limits. Mamdami says nobody should be a billionaire? Screw him. I want to be a billionaire. 

On the other hand I would like to see a bigger safety net for the poor and less fortunate among us. In that respect I admire Denmark and I wish we could capture that element of their society. I don’t see why we can’t have both a bigger safety net and more capitalism and freedom for everyone. It’s not an either or proposition. 

Very very difficult for capitalism and socialism to exist in the same society without a lot of inequality and contention. I'd like to say that the USA is trying it, however, the middle class is being drained with all of the "safety nets" being provided to undocumented citizens (bankrupt health care providers is one example). 

At least you're admitting it at this point that you're all about building your own wealth and that's why you hire immigrants. 

And...I call bull  on you wanting "freedom for everyone." 

[The Real timschochet 7,124]

4 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Very very difficult for capitalism and socialism to exist in the same society without a lot of inequality and contention. I'd like to say that the USA is trying it, however, the middle class is being drained with all of the "safety nets" being provided to undocumented citizens (bankrupt health care providers is one example). 

At least you're admitting it at this point that you're all about building your own wealth and that's why you hire immigrants. 

And...I call bull  on you wanting "freedom for everyone." 

I don’t think helping out poor people is socialism. I don’t think FDR and the New Deal was socialism. FDR saved capitalism. 

Of course I’m concerned about my own wealth. Who isn’t? My wealth is increased in a stable society. If we have too many have nots no amount of wealth is safe. I’m no altruist, though I do have a moral code. Like you I’m a landlord and like you I’m currently struggling over the issue of raising rents. I need to raise them because all my costs have gone up. But I don’t want to hurt small businesses who lease from me and I don’t want to create vacancies either, so I have some tough decisions to make. 
 

Finally I want more freedom for everyone. There are some issues which can at times supersede that like public health and safety and environmental concerns, etc. But as a general rule the more freedom the better. 

[seafoam1 3,254]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think helping out poor people is socialism. 

Who is stopping you from helping people? 

[seafoam1 3,254]

See, tim thinks the country should do what he says the country should do. All the people in the country should bow to his wishes.

He doesn't want there to be a choice for people concerning how they approach charity across the board. 

Tim talks like a dictator who needs charity himself. 

[The Real timschochet 7,124]

8 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

See, tim thinks the country should do what he says the country should do. All the people in the country should bow to his wishes.

He doesn't want there to be a choice for people concerning how they approach charity across the board. 

Tim talks like a dictator who needs charity himself. 

Are you suggesting that the President and political party you support is opposed to interfering in the marketplace? 

[jerryskids 6,965]

43 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think it’s a better model. I’m a capitalist. I want people to become as wealthy as they can without limits. Mamdami says nobody should be a billionaire? Screw him. I want to be a billionaire. 

On the other hand I would like to see a bigger safety net for the poor and less fortunate among us. In that respect I admire Denmark and I wish we could capture that element of their society. I don’t see why we can’t have both a bigger safety net and more capitalism and freedom for everyone. It’s not an either or proposition. 

I've often said here that if I had to give liberals one epitaph, it would be, "they wanted their cake and eat it too."  I provided numerous reasons for you to discuss and/or rebut.  Instead you just say it would be nice if we could be all things to all people.  Carry on.   

[jonnyutah 442]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I appreciate many of the responses to this thread, though some of the racist ones are pretty disgusting. 
 

Getting back to the main point I was attempting to make with my example: there is no evidence that liberal policies on crime lead to worse outcomes than conservative policies on crime. There is no evidence that Democratic  run governments, state and local,  create worse outcomes on crime than do Republican run governments. Whatever you believe the root causes of crime are (and here we obviously disagree widely) liberal vs conservative and Democrat vs Republican are not important factors. 

Kind of correct. But kind of not. Liberals are more likely to go lenient on criminals. Liberal DAs are more likely to reduce charges. Liberal judges more likely to let criminals off with lighter sentences. Liberals are more likely to push to get people out of jail. None of these are officially written policies. 

They all serve to increase crime. 

[seafoam1 3,254]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Are you suggesting that the President and political party you support is opposed to interfering in the marketplace? 

You don't even know what you are fighting for? 

You are a socialist. Just letting you know. But I realize you want more than that. You are the enemy of this country. 

[The Real timschochet 7,124]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I've often said here that if I had to give liberals one epitaph, it would be, "they wanted their cake and eat it too."  I provided numerous reasons for you to discuss and/or rebut.  Instead you just say it would be nice if we could be all things to all people.  Carry on.   

No you simply attempted to argue that we cannot protect the most unfortunate among us without limiting the achievements of the most able. You failed to explain why this is so. I don’t understand. I’ve never understood even when Ayn Rand attempted to make the same argument all those years ago in Atlas Shrugged. I love that novel but the argument is a flawed one. 

[WhiteWonder 2,860]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No you simply attempted to argue that we cannot protect the most unfortunate among us without limiting the achievements of the most able. You failed to explain why this is so. I don’t understand. I’ve never understood even when Ayn Rand attempted to make the same argument all those years ago in Atlas Shrugged. I love that novel but the argument is a flawed one. 

what makes it flawed?

[The Real timschochet 7,124]

15 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

You don't even know what you are fighting for? 

You are a socialist. Just letting you know. But I realize you want more than that. You are the enemy of this country. 

This is not meant to be a response to you (you’re never worth responding to) but for anyone else who might be reading this and think you have a point: when the Republican Party endorses attacks on free trade and blatant interference in the marketplace, the labeling of liberals as “socialist” is rather meaningless. 

[The Real timschochet 7,124]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

what makes it flawed?

Because it doesn’t hurt Hank Reardon to feed starving children in Philadelphia, even if we have to tax Reardon Metal to pay for it. It actually helps Reardon Metal because it leads to a more stable, safer society. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,721]

It’s not your fault Tim. It’s your metabolism. 

[The Real timschochet 7,124]

19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s not your fault Tim. 

Lol I know it’s not my fault. It’s yours. You’re voting for this crap, not me. 

[Meglamaniac 713]

28 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because it doesn’t hurt Hank Reardon to feed starving children in Philadelphia, even if we have to tax Reardon Metal to pay for it. It actually helps Reardon Metal because it leads to a more stable, safer society. 

Put up or shut up

 

 

[seafoam1 3,254]

22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Lol I know it’s not my fault. It’s yours. You’re voting for this crap, not me. 

It's fun to watch you suffer while the rest of us laugh at you. 

[The Real timschochet 7,124]

6 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

Put up or shut up

 

 

Of course I’ll help. I always liked Chad. Just sent him something. 

[The Real timschochet 7,124]

7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

It's fun to watch suffer while the rest of us laugh at you. 

Yet another significant difference between us. I don’t enjoy watching people that disagree with me suffer. 

[seafoam1 3,254]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yet another significant difference between us. I don’t enjoy watching people that disagree with me suffer. 

Yep. I enjoy watching the fearing mongering libtard collective aholes who cause problems everywhere they go, suffer. I would vote to deport all of you. That is a significant difference between us for sure. And I'm proud of it. 

[jerryskids 6,965]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

No you simply attempted to argue that we cannot protect the most unfortunate among us without limiting the achievements of the most able. You failed to explain why this is so. I don’t understand. I’ve never understood even when Ayn Rand attempted to make the same argument all those years ago in Atlas Shrugged. I love that novel but the argument is a flawed one. 

I led with Hygge which you ignored and which is anathema to your desire to be a billionaire. I also listed low population, low diversity (and hence low immigration), and strict citizenship requirements including speaking the national language and proving financial independence.  None of those apply to the US.

You aren't a serious poster on this topic

[TheNewGirl 1,582]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

 

You aren't a serious poster on this ANY topic

Fixored. 

[The Real timschochet 7,124]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I led with Hygge which you ignored and which is anathema to your desire to be a billionaire. I also listed low population, low diversity (and hence low immigration), and strict citizenship requirements including speaking the national language and proving financial independence.  None of those apply to the US.

You aren't a serious poster on this topic

You’re talking over me, you’re not addressing my points. And the issues you’re bringing up are irrelevant to the topic. I like one aspect of Denmark society l; why should I need to justify or even comment on the other aspects?