The Real timschochet 7,212 Posted yesterday at 03:06 PM 6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: The democrat party is a dumpster fire. Trump owns everything and people largely believe whatever lies he says. As someone who respects the truth, it's quite disheartening. The public is not with Trump. All the polls show that. Be of good cheer. And patient. We have to wait until the elections next year. In the meantime allow Trump to overreach with all of this crap. Cutting off healthcare, all the ICE crap, the tariffs, sending military to cities, prosecuting his enemies, all of it. Prices continue to rise, a lot of people will be hurt and I hate to see that, but what can we do? We’re powerless to stop any of this until the elections. This shutdown is a distraction and will fail for sure. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squistion 2,385 Posted yesterday at 03:13 PM 31 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Agree with this but shutting down the government to try to achieve this is a loser. When has it ever worked? When have we ever been faced with what Trump and the Republicans want here? The Nevile Chamberlain capitulation approach you want from the Democrats won't work either. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,845 Posted yesterday at 03:18 PM 2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said: funding for trans surgeries - check free healthcare for illegals - check What other lies are you guys swallowing this morning? Free Bus rides for MS-13 members to the voting booth? Federal Funding for trans surgeries was prohibited in the bbb. Democrats want it back. Educate yourself fool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,979 Posted yesterday at 03:23 PM 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Federal Funding for trans surgeries was prohibited in the bbb. Democrats want it back. Educate yourself fool. Where are democrats saying they want it back? I'm trying to educate myself but it doesn't exist. Can you show me or are you lying again? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,899 Posted yesterday at 03:25 PM 1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said: I don’t. I want them to have access to minimal healthcare. Otherwise they are a public health risk. It’s not rocket science and it’s not disgusting either. I don’t want to deport them because I believe that they are overall a net economic benefit (and a cultural benefit but that’s a different issue) and I don’t want them spreading diseases. So they need to have minimal healthcare. Pretty simple. Get rid of them. Health risk averted. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,899 Posted yesterday at 03:34 PM If the Dems allow the government to shut down Trump is going to use it as an opportunity to shrink the government by firing people who work on projects that lose funding but aren't statutorily required. Dems are going to get a lot of federal government employees permanently RIF'ed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 2,073 Posted yesterday at 03:40 PM 1 hour ago, Fnord said: This is bullshit. Stop lying. This is about AMERICANS losing the healthcare that THEY need. Once again, the Dems stepping up to try to help the working class, but are too dumb to be able to get the message across. Of course it doesn't help that the news sources many Americans consume (Fox, Newsmax, etc.) won't ever cover a news story with a potentially positive spin for Democrats, so you just keep hearing the lies. The funding that your party is trying to take away will have disastrous outcomes for millions of Americans. I'm okay with a few illegals getting care if it means we're taking care of our own. Are you? To be quite honest this is a probably a Rashomon situation. The R side , the D side and the truth. I’m actually on the side of fixing healthcare in this country but not the half arsed way Obama did it. Take time and fix it , put everything out in the open Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,845 Posted yesterday at 04:43 PM So if not the tax payer, who has been paying for illegals healthcare ? You can’t turn them away. Jeffries is FOS. Store brand Obama. Also, his name his Hakeem. No good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,979 Posted yesterday at 04:51 PM 7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: So if not the tax payer, who has been paying for illegals healthcare ? You can’t turn them away. Jeffries is FOS. Store brand Obama. Also, his name his Hakeem. No good. Yes you can turn them away, happens all the time. Only for emergency life threatening situations are the obligated to treat, and then they are presented with a bill afterwards. Quit your blatant racist attacks. We're sick of it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,899 Posted yesterday at 04:56 PM 4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Yes you can turn them away, happens all the time. Only for emergency life threatening situations are the obligated to treat, and then they are presented with a bill afterwards. Quit your blatant racist attacks. We're sick of it. Well if they're presented with a bill I guess all is good. I'm sure they pay it promptly and all the articles I read about hospitals being in financial trouble due to unpaid bills is just baloney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,979 Posted yesterday at 05:01 PM Just now, Strike said: Well if they're presented with a bill I guess all is good. I'm sure they pay it promptly and all the articles I read about hospitals being in financial trouble due to unpaid bills is just baloney. Same thing that happens when a citizen is presented a bill they can't pay. Hospitals would still be in financial trouble if we deported all illegals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,899 Posted yesterday at 05:02 PM Just now, Ron_Artest said: Same thing that happens when a citizen is presented a bill they can't pay. Hospitals would still be in financial trouble if we deported all illegals. You have no data to support that assertion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,472 Posted yesterday at 05:08 PM 2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said: The public is not with Trump. All the polls show that. Be of good cheer. And patient. We have to wait until the elections next year. In the meantime allow Trump to overreach with all of this crap. Cutting off healthcare, all the ICE crap, the tariffs, sending military to cities, prosecuting his enemies, all of it. Prices continue to rise, a lot of people will be hurt and I hate to see that, but what can we do? We’re powerless to stop any of this until the elections. This shutdown is a distraction and will fail for sure. I literally voted for ALL of that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,472 Posted yesterday at 05:09 PM 40 minutes ago, squistion said: Derp derp retard believes this. They already use taxpayer money illegally for illegals healthcare Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,845 Posted yesterday at 05:16 PM 14 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Same thing that happens when a citizen is presented a bill they can't pay. Hospitals would still be in financial trouble if we deported all illegals. So being in more debt doesn’t matter? lol Keep dispensing with the financial advise. You’re fockin brilliant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,845 Posted yesterday at 05:29 PM 37 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Yes you can turn them away, happens all the time. Only for emergency life threatening situations are the obligated to treat, and then they are presented with a bill afterwards. Quit your blatant racist attacks. We're sick of it. Imagine knowing so little about Jeffries yet still supporting him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,979 Posted yesterday at 05:50 PM 47 minutes ago, Strike said: You have no data to support that assertion. There is data out there if you wanted to look. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,979 Posted yesterday at 05:50 PM 33 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: So being in more debt doesn’t matter? lol Keep dispensing with the financial advise. You’re fockin brilliant. Did you learn this at your visit to Fidelity? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,826 Posted yesterday at 06:04 PM 4 hours ago, HellToupee said: No don’t give cover to the democrats. It’s because they want to give illegals free healthcare. Schumer is going along to save his own scalp , he actually doesn’t want this but will give in to the radicals to keep his gravy train running They want to give free health care to illegals too? SAD. I'm not surprised though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,899 Posted yesterday at 06:08 PM 17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: There is data out there if you wanted to look. Post it if you want it considered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,826 Posted yesterday at 06:08 PM ChatGPT is perfect for stuff like this. Has anyone uploaded a copy of the budget and asked it to look for all the money going to the undocumented illegals? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,899 Posted yesterday at 06:08 PM 17 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: Did you learn this at your visit to Fidelity? How's that all cash position working out for you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,979 Posted yesterday at 06:13 PM 4 minutes ago, Strike said: How's that all cash position working out for you? I don't have an all cash position. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,826 Posted yesterday at 06:23 PM OK, here's what I got. Be careful because this could be total BS... Feds match funds spent by the states in some cases for medicaid expansion. Some states are using state funds to give benefits to illegals. Bill would penalize states doing this by reducing matching funds. If that's true, I rule in favor of MAGAs on this one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 3,318 Posted yesterday at 06:40 PM 24 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: I don't have an all cash position. You said you went all cash on this site because "the market is going to crash". And because of Trump. Your words. Fear mongering and believing it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,899 Posted yesterday at 06:53 PM 39 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said: I don't have an all cash position. Got back in, huh? Shouldn't have gotten out in the first place. I hope you didnt lose too much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,979 Posted yesterday at 06:55 PM 1 minute ago, Strike said: Got back in, huh? Shouldn't have gotten out in the first place. I hope you didnt lose too much I never went all cash. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,899 Posted yesterday at 06:55 PM Just now, Ron_Artest said: I never went all cash. Right........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,845 Posted yesterday at 06:55 PM 1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said: Did you learn this at your visit to Fidelity? Learn that less debt is better than more debt? I knew that a long time ago. Now you do too. You didn’t a few posts up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,979 Posted yesterday at 06:57 PM 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Learn that less debt is better than more debt? I knew that a long time ago. Now you do too. You didn’t a few posts up. Oh really? I thought more debt was better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,845 Posted yesterday at 07:02 PM You said even without paying for illegals hospitals would still be in debt. What a really dumb thing to say, as if reducing the amount of debt wouldn’t matter. Tell the truth, your uncle or someone you know got you your job, right? Because you are one stupid mofo. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real timschochet 7,212 Posted yesterday at 07:13 PM Obviously many hospitals would be less in financial trouble or debt if they didn’t have to pay for medical care for undocumented people. But there’s only two ways to do that: either you refuse to pay for them, which creates public health risks, or you deport them all, which not only costs hundreds of millions but would also drive prices way up because we have nobody else to perform the labor they do at the same price point (that’s already happening.) Either way the cost isn’t worth the result. The best solution is therefore to keep paying for their healthcare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,979 Posted yesterday at 07:21 PM 15 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You said even without paying for illegals hospitals would still be in debt. What a really dumb thing to say, as if reducing the amount of debt wouldn’t matter. Tell the truth, your uncle or someone you know got you your job, right? Because you are one stupid mofo. I'll try and explain it to you. It's estimated that treatment for illegals accounts for 15% of unpaid bills. If hospitals stopped treating illegals tomorrow and reduced their unpaid bills by 15%, they would still be in debt. I know you never went to college but this is not a difficult concept. Your child like observation of 15% less debt is better than 15% more debt aside, it doesn't solve the problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,441 Posted yesterday at 07:28 PM Demolishing Medicaid for Americans will be far more negative to hospital bottom lines than unpaid bills by illegals. Gimme a fockin break. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HellToupee 2,073 Posted yesterday at 07:30 PM 15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Obviously many hospitals would be less in financial trouble or debt if they didn’t have to pay for medical care for undocumented people. But there’s only two ways to do that: either you refuse to pay for them, which creates public health risks, or you deport them all, which not only costs hundreds of millions but would also drive prices way up because we have nobody else to perform the labor they do at the same price point (that’s already happening.) Either way the cost isn’t worth the result. The best solution is therefore to keep paying for their healthcare. Pretzel logic" refers to twisted, nonsensical, or circular reasoning that attempts to justify something irrational or illogical. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,899 Posted yesterday at 07:31 PM 17 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said: Obviously many hospitals would be less in financial trouble or debt if they didn’t have to pay for medical care for undocumented people. But there’s only two ways to do that: either you refuse to pay for them, which creates public health risks, or you deport them all, which not only costs hundreds of millions but would also drive prices way up because we have nobody else to perform the labor they do at the same price point (that’s already happening.) Either way the cost isn’t worth the result. The best solution is therefore to keep paying for their healthcare. Every illegal that is deported is less of a burden on our healthcare system. HTH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drizzay 737 Posted yesterday at 07:52 PM Yawn...they do this every 6 months. Not even worth paying attention to anymore. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,845 Posted yesterday at 09:20 PM 1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said: I'll try and explain it to you. It's estimated that treatment for illegals accounts for 15% of unpaid bills. If hospitals stopped treating illegals tomorrow and reduced their unpaid bills by 15%, they would still be in debt. I know you never went to college but this is not a difficult concept. Your child like observation of 15% less debt is better than 15% more debt aside, it doesn't solve the problem. So less of a problem doesn’t matter. I have to say, you’re really acquitting yourself here. College! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 1,979 Posted yesterday at 09:24 PM 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: So less of a problem doesn’t matter. I have to say, you’re really acquitting yourself here. College! Less of a problem is still a problem PHIL101 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites