US Federal Government Shutdown Thread

[Ron_Artest 1,979]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Notice GutterArtest ignored my point......

Your point from 32 mins ago.  Sorry I had a call.

It's a valid point, valid for republicans as well wouldn't you agree?

So we have one party that doesn't want to do anything, and another party that wants to offer subsidies to help rising costs.  Are you trying to say that the republicans are on higher moral ground here?

[jonnyutah 483]

38 minutes ago, Strike said:

If Dems cared about the cost of healthcare they would actually do something about the cost of healthcare.  They have done nothing about the actual cost of healthcare.  They just choose to subsidize it to appease their healthcare industry overlords.

I dont even think it has to be that they are appeasing the industry. I think they are just buying votes. Force the cost to go way up. Then give people free healthcare. It is just a massive handout. The costs dont matter to them. In fact the more expensive it gets, the bigger the handout. 

[Strike 5,899]

9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Your point from 32 mins ago.  Sorry I had a call.

It's a valid point, valid for republicans as well wouldn't you agree?

So we have one party that doesn't want to do anything, and another party that wants to offer subsidies to help rising costs.  Are you trying to say that the republicans are on higher moral ground here?

Obamacare is a Democrat boondoggle, written by the healthcare industry.  The Republicans have nothing to do with it.

[nobody 2,826]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Obamacare is a Democrat boondoggle, written by the healthcare industry.  The Republicans have nothing to do with it.

Obamacare doing exactly what it's intended to do, though, which is fock up healthcare so much we won't have a choice but to go fully socialized medicine.  

[MDC 7,712]

Just now, nobody said:

Obamacare doing exactly what it's intended to do, though, which is fock up healthcare so much we won't have a choice but to go fully socialized medicine.  

If only! I wish it pushed us to single payer HC.

[nobody 2,826]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

If only! I wish it pushed us to single payer HC.

We have no choice.  Obama won this one.  I'm sure it'll work out great.

[Ron_Artest 1,979]

52 minutes ago, Strike said:

Obamacare is a Democrat boondoggle, written by the healthcare industry.  The Republicans have nothing to do with it.

Republicans are in charge now, where's the alternative?  What happened to repeal and replace?

[Strike 5,899]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Republicans are in charge now, where's the alternative?  What happened to repeal and replace?

Nice deflection.

[Ron_Artest 1,979]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

Nice deflection.

It's not a deflection, I already acknowledged you were correct in your original point, but you failed to hold republicans accountable for the same.  This is because you are a partisan hack.,

Republicans have had control of everything multiple times, including right now, and they do nothing about healthcare, except make it more expensive.  If you're not going to own that then you're a fraud.

[Strike 5,899]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

It's not a deflection, I already acknowledged you were correct in your original point, but you failed to hold republicans accountable for the same.  This is because you are a partisan hack.,

Republicans have had control of everything multiple times, including right now, and they do nothing about healthcare, except make it more expensive.  If you're not going to own that then you're a fraud.

Trump tried to reform healthcare in his first term and ran in to a brick wall.  I posted earlier about a deal he just announced with Pfizer that will help with drug costs.  You ignored it.  He's only been back in office 9 months and has been cleaning up other messes Biden left him.  I hope he does more with healthcare but he's already done more than Biden.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,845]

Remember that time Trump brought the cost of insulin way down then Biden ended it then did the same thing and took credit? HT farms remembers. 

[Strike 5,899]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Remember that time Trump brought the cost of insulin way down then Biden ended it then did the same thing and took credit? HT farms remembers. 

Gutter thinks that was all Biden 

[nobody 2,826]

The healthcare system is a racket...

Go in and get a surgery.  They want to treat everything like it's a separate thing.  Operating Room, anesthesia, the chick that spends 2 seconds popping into a room to ask about some BS.   All the same hospital, but some are in network and some are out of network. They act like all of that is some separate sh¡t and bill you accordingly.  Meanwhile they don't even ask if you want some lady to pop in or give you any options.  They just do sh¡t.  So basically if you're in the hospital, every doctor in the hospital can pop in and ask you a question and then they can all bill you some BS.  The system is a joke and the hospitals are taking advantage.

Like you're going in for a surgery.  Presumably, you shopped around for the surgeon.  Now you have to shop around for an anesthesiologist too?  And then what?  You need a guard standing outside your door so some rando doctor can't just pop in and "check on you."  Get the fock outta here. 

 

[Ron_Artest 1,979]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

Trump tried to reform healthcare in his first term and ran in to a brick wall.  I posted earlier about a deal he just announced with Pfizer that will help with drug costs.  You ignored it.  He's only been back in office 9 months and has been cleaning up other messes Biden left him.  I hope he does more with healthcare but he's already done more than Biden.

Do you know anything about this pfizer deal?  TrumpRx?  If it happens, it will allow consumers without insurance to buy drugs directly from Pfizer at a discount, which will undoubtedly be higher than what was negotiated by insurance.  It's another scam that will amount to nothing, but I didn't expect you to know this.  Now you do.

Also with regards to what Biden did?  Biden brought forth actual presciption discounts including $35/mo insulin and allowing medicaire to negotiate prices.  He also passed ACA subsidies making it cheaper for people to afford health insurance which expanded enrollment by 12M people.  Of course republicans are letting this expire, which is what we're talking about here.

It's factually false to say Trump has already done more than Biden, unless you actually think he's gonna lower drug prices by 1000% this week

[Strike 5,899]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Do you know anything about this pfizer deal?  TrumpRx?  If it happens, it will allow consumers without insurance to buy drugs directly from Pfizer at a discount, which will undoubtedly be higher than what was negotiated by insurance.  It's another scam that will amount to nothing, but I didn't expect you to know this.  Now you do.

Also with regards to what Biden did?  Biden brought forth actual presciption discounts including $35/mo insulin and allowing medicaire to negotiate prices.  He also passed ACA subsidies making it cheaper for people to afford health insurance which expanded enrollment by 12M people.  Of course republicans are letting this expire, which is what we're talking about here.

It's factually false to say Trump has already done more than Biden, unless you actually think he's gonna lower drug prices by 1000% this week

Told you all he'd say Biden did the Insulin deal!!!! 

[Ron_Artest 1,979]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Remember that time Trump brought the cost of insulin way down then Biden ended it then did the same thing and took credit? HT farms remembers. 

Time to take you to school again.

Trump's plan was voluntary, meaning that he asked insurers to cap pricing at $35/mo.  It had little effect.

Biden through the Inflation Reduction Act made it mandatory, and removed deductibles as well, providing real effect and savings.

[Ron_Artest 1,979]

Just now, Strike said:

Told you all he'd say Biden did the Insulin deal!!!! 

Nice deflection.

[thegeneral 3,451]

They ran out Maybe it’s Maybeline JD at today’s presser to frame their argument. Smart not having Senile Don get out there and ramble about walking on stairs and the next bombing plan of Portland etc or whatever that dope talks about.

It’s all about messaging now.

These pieces of shet in DC don’t know any other way anymore. What a joke we have become. 

[jonnyutah 483]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's not a deflection, I already acknowledged you were correct in your original point, but you failed to hold republicans accountable for the same.  This is because you are a partisan hack.,

Republicans have had control of everything multiple times, including right now, and they do nothing about healthcare, except make it more expensive.  If you're not going to own that then you're a fraud.

Having fewer subsidies will make healthcare cheaper. 

At least for me! 

[Ron_Artest 1,979]

21 minutes ago, jonnyutah said:

Having fewer subsidies will make healthcare cheaper. 

At least for me! 

I'd love to hear your logic on this one.

[Maximum Overkill 2,315]

9 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I'd love to hear your logic on this one.

This Jeffries guy has to be a ra ra retard no? 

He certainly looks and talks like one. 

[easilyscan 976]

7 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks for posting this.  Summarizes it nicely.

You're welcome. It's too bad the website I posted the link to isn't more popular, because they've got some really good content there. 

https://www.americanexperiment.org

Reminds me of something that happens in Minnesota every other year when they hammer out a new budget.

Every year you'd see the same articles/commentaries from the liberal staff at my hometown newspaper. Republicans want to slash spending, they want to lay off firefighters, law-enforcement/police & teachers. For anyone with an IQ high enough to do a little research on their own, the truth was, they weren't threatening to cut funding or lay off any of those mentioned. All they were trying to do is limit the percentage that funding was increased. 

So focking predictable.

 

[Ron_Artest 1,979]

3 hours ago, nobody said:

The healthcare system is a racket...

Go in and get a surgery.  They want to treat everything like it's a separate thing.  Operating Room, anesthesia, the chick that spends 2 seconds popping into a room to ask about some BS.   All the same hospital, but some are in network and some are out of network. They act like all of that is some separate sh¡t and bill you accordingly.  Meanwhile they don't even ask if you want some lady to pop in or give you any options.  They just do sh¡t.  So basically if you're in the hospital, every doctor in the hospital can pop in and ask you a question and then they can all bill you some BS.  The system is a joke and the hospitals are taking advantage.

Like you're going in for a surgery.  Presumably, you shopped around for the surgeon.  Now you have to shop around for an anesthesiologist too?  And then what?  You need a guard standing outside your door so some rando doctor can't just pop in and "check on you."  Get the fock outta here. 

 

You know what fixes all this?

[Grace Under Pressure 140]

4 hours ago, nobody said:

The healthcare system is a racket...

Go in and get a surgery.  They want to treat everything like it's a separate thing.  Operating Room, anesthesia, the chick that spends 2 seconds popping into a room to ask about some BS.   All the same hospital, but some are in network and some are out of network. They act like all of that is some separate sh¡t and bill you accordingly.  Meanwhile they don't even ask if you want some lady to pop in or give you any options.  They just do sh¡t.  So basically if you're in the hospital, every doctor in the hospital can pop in and ask you a question and then they can all bill you some BS.  The system is a joke and the hospitals are taking advantage.

Like you're going in for a surgery.  Presumably, you shopped around for the surgeon.  Now you have to shop around for an anesthesiologist too?  And then what?  You need a guard standing outside your door so some rando doctor can't just pop in and "check on you."  Get the fock outta here. 

 

A complete racket. All of this times 300 million people, 365 days a year. 

Private, for profit health insurance through employers, and corporate hospitals and medical practices and this is what we get. We spend the most per patient of all developed nations, and our outcomes are no better and in many cases worse.

What helps fix most of this is a single payer system, like every other developed nation has.

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