Mike FF Today 745 Posted Tuesday at 05:15 PM Bengals trying to salvage their season... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,279 Posted Tuesday at 05:31 PM Chase owners rejoice. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Tuesday at 05:34 PM This is big news Flacco throws a good deep ball. but the line is still crappy in Cincy so if he has to hold the ball longer than typical, hes taking a sack or throwing an INT. but he will be serviceable once he learns that offense. now the important question: how much to bid in FAAB dollars? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Law 243 Posted Tuesday at 05:59 PM If they were really serious about saving their season, they would have traded for Winston. But maybe the Giants want too much. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Showboat 270 Posted Tuesday at 06:06 PM 27 minutes ago, Ray_T said: now the important question: how much to bid in FAAB dollars? I think zero is the appropriate answer. If Flacco can somehow cut down on the INTs (which is no sure thing) it may allow the Bengals to sustain some drives and possibly restore a little value to Brown and McPherson. I don't think it really changes anything for Chase and Higgins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,647 Posted Tuesday at 06:21 PM 48 minutes ago, Ray_T said: now the important question: how much to bid in FAAB dollars? In a league that starts 2 QB's by default and has a superflex where you can start 3 QB's, I'd say in that league, I'd consider $1... but probably not pull the trigger. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Tuesday at 06:23 PM well, I'm in a superflex, and even scrub QB are going for $10 to $15 this year due to all the injuries. I'm actually good at QB but have a greater need at RB. I was thinking if I could get Flacco, I could unload one of my other QB to a QB starved team to get access to a RB for myself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,647 Posted Tuesday at 06:24 PM I'm surprised the Browns had to give up anything to get a 5th. With the situation the Bengals are in, if they think they can still make a run until Burrow is back, they should've been willing to give up a 4th for Flacco straight up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,647 Posted Tuesday at 06:25 PM 1 minute ago, Ray_T said: well, I'm in a superflex, and even scrub QB are going for $10 to $15 this year due to all the injuries I'm in a 2 QB league and Flacco was never on a roster... in a league where there are 40 QB's rostered, he wasn't one of them at any point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Tuesday at 06:28 PM well, I'll be bidding as he would make a perfectly fine #3 QB once he learns the offense. but that likely takes at least 1-2 weeks. it would be irresponsible to start him this week. though I"ve seen teams do that sort of thing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,647 Posted Tuesday at 06:34 PM 5 minutes ago, Ray_T said: well, I'll be bidding as he would make a perfectly fine #3 QB once he learns the offense. but that likely takes at least 1-2 weeks. it would be irresponsible to start him this week. though I"ve seen teams do that sort of thing That talent in Cincinnati is light years better than in Cleveland, so I think he'll do better than 5 fpg like the last games Flacco had, but even if he's putting up numbers like Week 1 (14 points), he's still not startable. There's 27 other QB's averaging at least 15. You need him for a bye week? Ok, but I wouldn't bid anything of substance for someone that might start 2 games for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Tuesday at 06:42 PM 4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: That talent in Cincinnati is light years better than in Cleveland, so I think he'll do better than 5 fpg like the last games Flacco had, but even if he's putting up numbers like Week 1 (14 points), he's still not startable. There's 27 other QB's averaging at least 15. You need him for a bye week? Ok, but I wouldn't bid anything of substance for someone that might start 2 games for me. I think hes good for 18 fantasy points per game in that offense. there is 20+ point upside if the matchup is good, but thats expecting a lot. either way, my 12 team superflex league doesnt have enough QB for everyone to have a backup, so I think the upside is better for me to pickup Flacco and trade one of my other QB for the RB that I need. given the QB situation, Im pretty sure I can get a decent RB for one of my QB and then run with Flacco as my #3 QB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Showboat 270 Posted Tuesday at 06:47 PM 10 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: That talent in Cincinnati is light years better than in Cleveland Not sure that's true. Sure the the Bengals WRs are more talented, but their O-line looks quite leaky. With the Browns, Flacco had a decent running game that could open things up in the passing game. I'm not sure he will have that in Cincy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcmmidwest 151 Posted Tuesday at 07:30 PM Flacco will get tacco'd in Cincy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,647 Posted Tuesday at 07:36 PM 43 minutes ago, Showboat said: Not sure that's true. Sure the the Bengals WRs are more talented, but their O-line looks quite leaky. With the Browns, Flacco had a decent running game that could open things up in the passing game. I'm not sure he will have that in Cincy. Yeah, I really meant the WR corp. I think the backfield in Cincy is just as good (if not better), than Cleveland. I'm a big Judkins fan, but it's been 2 games. The OLine in Cincy is terrible, but as long as Flacco can get the ball out, he'll have much better success than what Browning had. That will also make the run game better. Because of that, he'll have way more success in Cincinnati. Now, if Flacco just "done", then it doesn't matter what team he's on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,647 Posted Tuesday at 07:36 PM Side note, I think Burrow should tell the Bengals after the season to fix the OLine or he's not coming back. Herbert should do the same thing. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Tuesday at 07:59 PM 22 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Side note, I think Burrow should tell the Bengals after the season to fix the OLine or he's not coming back. Herbert should do the same thing. its probably the reason hes always dinged up too. could you imagine how well hed produce if he actually had an extra quarter to half second to hold the ball? I bet he'd light it up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Tuesday at 08:03 PM 21 minutes ago, Mike FF Today said: As one who has played QB this is an unrealistic ask. the best he'd likely be able to do is run the base offense and on only 5 days notice, I'd say that is expecting a LOT. unless they've been talking to the team for a week or so and hes been studying the playbook while waiting for them to announce the trade. I suppose that may be possible but still..... this is fairly irresponsible on the part of the team. Though I guess the alternative is still pretty crappy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,279 Posted Tuesday at 08:24 PM 1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said: I'm surprised the Browns had to give up anything to get a 5th. With the situation the Bengals are in, if they think they can still make a run until Burrow is back, they should've been willing to give up a 4th for Flacco straight up. I do not think this move was to salvage their season, I think it was to keep Chase and Higgins happy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,279 Posted Tuesday at 08:25 PM 48 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Side note, I think Burrow should tell the Bengals after the season to fix the OLine or he's not coming back. Herbert should do the same thing. Agreed, but the Chargers lost their best O-Line player during the preseason, and I think they have since lost another to injury Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,647 Posted Tuesday at 08:55 PM 52 minutes ago, Ray_T said: its probably the reason hes always dinged up too. could you imagine how well hed produce if he actually had an extra quarter to half second to hold the ball? I bet he'd light it up. I absolutely believe that's the reason. Heck, he was able to light it up last year with trash. He'd break records with a "decent" offensive line, let alone a good one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,647 Posted Tuesday at 09:10 PM 34 minutes ago, weepaws said: I do not think this move was to salvage their season, I think it was to keep Chase and Higgins happy. Right now, they're only 1 game out of the playoff hunt. At 2-3, there's only 7 teams with a better record. This week coming up, they go to Green Bay then a home game against Pittsburgh. Those are big games because that can put them over .500. After that, they get the Jets and Bears in Cincinnati. If they win even 3 of those 4 and move to 5-4, that's pretty impactful for their playoff hopes. The next 3 weeks are just as big with Pittsburgh again, then New England and Baltimore. If they can be, say 7-7 heading into the last 3 weeks and Burrow back, they should be able to beat Arizona, Miami, and Cleveland, to finish 10-7. Last year, 15 teams won at least 10 games, 14 made the playoffs. The year before, all 12 teams that won 10 games made the playoffs. Since moving to a 17-game season, only 1 team won 10 games and failed to make the playoffs. So yeah, it definitely was a move to salvage the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,647 Posted Tuesday at 09:14 PM 48 minutes ago, weepaws said: Agreed, but the Chargers lost their best O-Line player during the preseason, and I think they have since lost another to injury Gotchya. Fair enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rotisserieking 59 Posted Tuesday at 09:25 PM At least it's a short drive for him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Tuesday at 09:41 PM 45 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: I absolutely believe that's the reason. Heck, he was able to light it up last year with trash. He'd break records with a "decent" offensive line, let alone a good one. you hit the nail right on the head. that was exactly the point I was leading to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Tuesday at 09:48 PM 1 hour ago, weepaws said: Agreed, but the Chargers lost their best O-Line player during the preseason, and I think they have since lost another to injury I knew about the pre season injury. wasnt aware of the other one. but that speaks to depth. the line was weak and became borderline respectable last year, but the depth was never good. when that happens you are vulnerable to injuries and that's exactly what has happened. as a result Herberts productivity is not what it was last season. though it does feel like he had an easier schedule last year too. so that may have also contributed to this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Tuesday at 10:00 PM 48 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Right now, they're only 1 game out of the playoff hunt. At 2-3, there's only 7 teams with a better record. This week coming up, they go to Green Bay then a home game against Pittsburgh. Those are big games because that can put them over .500. After that, they get the Jets and Bears in Cincinnati. If they win even 3 of those 4 and move to 5-4, that's pretty impactful for their playoff hopes. The next 3 weeks are just as big with Pittsburgh again, then New England and Baltimore. If they can be, say 7-7 heading into the last 3 weeks and Burrow back, they should be able to beat Arizona, Miami, and Cleveland, to finish 10-7. Last year, 15 teams won at least 10 games, 14 made the playoffs. The year before, all 12 teams that won 10 games made the playoffs. Since moving to a 17-game season, only 1 team won 10 games and failed to make the playoffs. So yeah, it definitely was a move to salvage the season. it could be both. Generally you want your team to have something to play for. if they let it go down the toilet without even making it look like they made an attempt to salvage the year that sends the wrong message to both the team and to the fans who pay good money to watch them play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GobbleDog 1,009 Posted Tuesday at 10:03 PM Quote The veteran Flacco is expected to be a quick learner. He's about to learn "Yall seriously invested over 40% of the cap in 4 players? And one is out for the season? I'm screwed." I have no faith in this working out. Flacco looked awful in Cleveland posting the worst Qb rating of his career. Now he's behind a bad o-line that can't run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,279 Posted Tuesday at 10:54 PM 47 minutes ago, GobbleDog said: He's about to learn "Yall seriously invested over 40% of the cap in 4 players? And one is out for the season? I'm screwed." I have no faith in this working out. Flacco looked awful in Cleveland posting the worst Qb rating of his career. Now he's behind a bad o-line that can't run. I disagree that this move saves their season, but Flacco inherits two studs at wr, something he didn’t have wit( the Browns, but if the Browns thought Flacco could actually make winners out of the Bengals, I doubt they would have traded him to a division rival, I think this was a let’s keep are two biggest non Qb investments happy, Chase and Higgins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,647 Posted Wednesday at 12:11 AM 2 hours ago, Ray_T said: it could be both. Generally you want your team to have something to play for. if they let it go down the toilet without even making it look like they made an attempt to salvage the year that sends the wrong message to both the team and to the fans who pay good money to watch them play. Yeah, most likely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike FF Today 745 Posted Wednesday at 04:06 AM 8 hours ago, Ray_T said: As one who has played QB this is an unrealistic ask. the best he'd likely be able to do is run the base offense and on only 5 days notice, I'd say that is expecting a LOT. unless they've been talking to the team for a week or so and hes been studying the playbook while waiting for them to announce the trade. I suppose that may be possible but still..... this is fairly irresponsible on the part of the team. Though I guess the alternative is still pretty crappy. Pretty sure Baker Mayfield played for the Rams on a short week a few years ago. Obviously not ideal, but it can happen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,279 Posted Wednesday at 04:23 AM Packers def. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Wednesday at 05:26 AM 1 hour ago, Mike FF Today said: Pretty sure Baker Mayfield played for the Rams on a short week a few years ago. Obviously not ideal, but it can happen. at the time he played well too. but the book on baker is that he would stare down the WR before throwing to him. but he performed better because not knowing the playbook he also didnt know who he was throwing to. so the tell teams were using on him were no longer working. as such, it messed up the defense. I suppose it also depends... if the new offense is similar to the one he played in I could see the transition happening fairly quickly. but most QB cannot figure out the playbook that quickly without running each play a number of times so they are on the same page as their receivers. and there simply isnt time to do that. but..... Flacco is a vet. so maybe he has a better chance at this than most. Im sure there is a reason why he has been able to hang on at his age in the NFL. this maybe is one of them.... the ability to pick up the offense quickly. on that note I'm surprised there hasnt been another move of another QB famous for his abiity to pick up an offense quickly... Dobbs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,332 Posted Wednesday at 09:37 AM This is good news for Sanders. He's got a backup job now at least Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,888 Posted Wednesday at 09:56 AM 1. In a 2 QB league, I don’t see how he wouldn’t be owned when he was starting. 10 teamer maybe? With Chase and Higgins he’s got to be owned now just for the chance he clicks like he did two seasons ago in CLE. 2. a veteran like Flacco can start the next day. Of course it’s not ideal but if cincy were in an ideal situation, they wouldn’t be trading for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Wednesday at 03:22 PM 5 hours ago, WhiteWonder said: 1. In a 2 QB league, I don’t see how he wouldn’t be owned when he was starting. 10 teamer maybe? With Chase and Higgins he’s got to be owned now just for the chance he clicks like he did two seasons ago in CLE. 2. a veteran like Flacco can start the next day. Of course it’s not ideal but if cincy were in an ideal situation, they wouldn’t be trading for him. under normal conditions I'd say starting flacco 5 days after acquiring him is a bad idea. but the QB play since Burrow got hurt has been pretty terrible. At this point I guess Flacco running the base offense is better than anyone else running the full offense. but I do think the result will likely be the same. Flacco will take some heat if he doesnt play well but I'd argue they never really put him into a position to succeed either. the line is bad. and he doent know the offense fully. That is a bad combination. but I guess they gotta do something. I would not start flacco this week in a superflex format but might consider him next week. it takes time to learn the full playbook so there is no guarantee of productivity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WhiteWonder 2,888 Posted Wednesday at 09:03 PM 5 hours ago, Ray_T said: under normal conditions I'd say starting flacco 5 days after acquiring him is a bad idea. but the QB play since Burrow got hurt has been pretty terrible. At this point I guess Flacco running the base offense is better than anyone else running the full offense. but I do think the result will likely be the same. Flacco will take some heat if he doesnt play well but I'd argue they never really put him into a position to succeed either. the line is bad. and he doent know the offense fully. That is a bad combination. but I guess they gotta do something. I would not start flacco this week in a superflex format but might consider him next week. it takes time to learn the full playbook so there is no guarantee of productivity. In a 12 team, 2QB or Superflex league, I wouldn't expect anyone to be starting him, but I would expect him to be added off waivers... assuming he ever hit waivers. Now I understand some people roster high upside backup QB's, but that's not going to get you through a bye week and you'd need 36 nfl teams for each owner to have a starting QB on their fantasy bench. So again, a 10 team league is the only place I can believe he would have been unowned while he had the job in cleveland. as for real life, I believe a long time vet like Flacco, who has played enough seasons for enough teams in enough offenses has a solid grasp of a lot of different offensive nuances. I don't think this is the same as the guy you try to hide with just the base offense. I think he will be able to run a bit more than that, even with just a few days prep. More likely some of the terminology will just change temporarily. Not saying he succeeds. The line is a big issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 779 Posted Wednesday at 09:55 PM 48 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: The line is a big issue probably the biggest issue to be honest. thing about playing in a new offense. your decision making isnt quite as quick as it would be when you've had a reasonable amount of practice time to learn and master the offense. Thats where the difference lies. if you have the defense playing against him, you are probably getting more sacks than normal. it may turn into an extra INT or two as well. Though Flacco is smart. he will probably throw the ball away most times when pressured with no good options. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites