The Religion of Peace Strikes Again-Australian Ediition

[jerryskids 7,181]

8 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Homeless people from Kabul wouldn’t get asylum, including under the pre-Trump2 standards.  

Well, I was using hyperbole to make a point.

But to your claim:  they might, if they crossed our border, claimed asylum, and passed a "credible fear" interview.  The degree to which they might pass such an interview depends on the interviewer and/or the policies of the administration.

[Fnord 2,631]

15 hours ago, 5-Points said:

You are quick to relinquish the rights our founding fathers had the foresight to enshrine in our founding documents because you foolishly feel it will make you safer in the short run, without a second's thought about the long run. 

Equality and freedom of speech, religion, and assembly are also rights our founding fathers enshrined. Some of the solutions you're proposing are just as large an infringement on individual rights as "taking away our guns." 

I own a gun and am pro 2A. I also greatly value of our other freedoms and prefer none be taken away, especially based on reactionary anger in the aftermath of a horrible incident that didn't happen here.

[Mike Hunt 317]

22 hours ago, squistion said:

No they don't. That is complete nonsense, neither have ever demonstrated "hate in their souls" for Jews.

ByJERUSALEM POST STAFF JANUARY 9, 2024 00:14 Updated: JANUARY 9, 2024 15:10

The 2023 award for ‘Antisemite of the Year’ was won by Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib by StopAntisemitism. As antisemitism rose internationally after Hamas’s October 7 attack, the congresswoman beat some fierce competition all seemingly vying for the top spot. Tlaib beat Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh and Supermodel and Influencer Gigi Hadid.

Tlaib, represents the 12th district.

[TimHauck 3,382]

26 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Funny, your use of "problematic."  You and Moderate TimHauck saw a brown person with an Arabic name and insisted he was Muslim. 

I didn’t “insist” on anything.  I search for the truth, wherever it leads.  You on the other hand were happy to cling to the possibility that an unsourced claim that he wasn’t Muslim might be true.

[SaintsInDome2006 755]

19 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Well, I was using hyperbole to make a point.

But to your claim:  they might, if they crossed our border, claimed asylum, and passed a "credible fear" interview.  The degree to which they might pass such an interview depends on the interviewer and/or the policies of the administration.

Think for a moment. In this scenario you’re talking about someone fleeing the Taliban or AQ, actual terrorists. The terrorists are the people we are fighting, and this supposed applicant would be democratic (small d), our ally. You’d send him back to the terrorists, even if he’s pro-American & pro-democracy?

I see your point about the administration policies but even under Biden/Trump1/Obama people were looked at very closely.

[TimHauck 3,382]

18 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

ByJERUSALEM POST STAFF JANUARY 9, 2024 00:14 Updated: JANUARY 9, 2024 15:10

The 2023 award for ‘Antisemite of the Year’ was won by Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib by StopAntisemitism. As antisemitism rose internationally after Hamas’s October 7 attack, the congresswoman beat some fierce competition all seemingly vying for the top spot. Tlaib beat Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh and Supermodel and Influencer Gigi Hadid.

Tlaib, represents the 12th district.

 

49 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

There are also fake news websites claiming the guy’s name was “Edward Crabtree.”  These people will try anything to distract from a Muslim doing something good.

One example who desperately wanted to believe the hero wasn’t a Muslim…

 

[dogcows 1,191]

42 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Funny, your use of "problematic."  You and Moderate TimHauck saw a brown person with an Arabic name and insisted he was Muslim.  You also think it's problematic that somebody might convert to Christianity.  The possibility of alternatives goes against your group think -- it's critical that the hero be a Muslim, to lessen the fact that a father/son set of Muslim jihadists murdered a bunch of Jews at a Hannukah celebration.

I have no problem with individual Muslims doing good deeds, as I've said numerous times including my first post in this thread.  As I've also said numerous times, concentrations of Muslims are anathema to Western culture, and create a negative impact roughly 100% of the time.

As I've also also said, this moral relativism is bullshiot.  The teachings of Islam, top to bottom and front to back, are morally inferior to the teachings of the Judeo Christian West.  To use a phrase of yours, full stop.  This does not mean that every individual Muslim is immoral, so please don't go that route.  

"Concentrations of Muslims"

Spreading your bigotry out into multiple paragraphs doesn't make you any better than those who post blatantly hateful one-liners.

Bonus points for tripling down on your "reports say" self-own by pretending other people are the ones exhibiting prejudice.

[Mike Hunt 317]

14 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

 

One example who desperately wanted to believe the hero wasn’t a Muslim…

 

 

What does this have to do with Tlaib winning her "Antisemite" Award?   Jerusalem Post has been around since 1932,

[TimHauck 3,382]

6 minutes ago, dogcows said:

"Concentrations of Muslims"

Spreading your bigotry out into multiple paragraphs doesn't make you any better than those who post blatantly hateful one-liners.

Bonus points for tripling down on your "reports say" self-own by pretending other people are the ones exhibiting prejudice.

And in a continuation of the bigotry elsewhere on social media, many conservative commenters are claiming that one of the 2 deceased victims, Ella Cook, was “targeted” for being the VP of the College Republicans.

Most are not mentioning the name of the second victim (Libs of Tiktok and Nick Sortor are some I see right away).  His name?  Mukhammad Aziz Umurzokov

 

[dogcows 1,191]

3 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

What does this have to do with Tlaib winning her "Antisemite" Award?   Jerusalem Post has been around since 1932,

Jerusalem Post didn't pick the "winners" - the "Stop Antisemites" group did. The paper was just reporting the results.

So this group has more to do with the results than the Jerusalem Post does. I promise you there are far worse people in the world than Gigi Hadid and Rashida Tlaib. This group is fringe and cringe.

[TimHauck 3,382]

3 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

What does this have to do with Tlaib winning her "Antisemite" Award?   Jerusalem Post has been around since 1932,

The award was given by “StopAntiSemitism.”  Tucker Carlson is one of this year’s 3 finalists btw.

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5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The award was given by “StopAntiSemitism.”  Tucker Carlson is one of this year’s 3 finalists btw.    

Tucker Carlson has faced widespread accusations and condemnation from various Jewish organizations, politicians, and commentators for making or platforming comments described as antisemitic. Critics point to a range of statements and actions as evidence of promoting harmful tropes and conspiracy theories. 

 

 

[jerryskids 7,181]

25 minutes ago, dogcows said:

"Concentrations of Muslims"

Spreading your bigotry out into multiple paragraphs doesn't make you any better than those who post blatantly hateful one-liners.

Bonus points for tripling down on your "reports say" self-own by pretending other people are the ones exhibiting prejudice.

You can call me a bigot all you want; I've stated repeatedly that I wear that badge proudly when it comes to "concentrations of Muslims."  And I know the label is coming from a low-intelligence wokie who can't argue with a single thing I've said (e.g., concentrations of Muslims in Western countries, from much of Europe to Somaliland in MN, are a net negative to those places), let alone the obvious facts that women and LGBTQ folks are treated like animals, but your moral relativism manages to rationalize it.  But hey, you can put on your  "Queers for Palestine" badge and tell your blue-haired friends how you called the mean internet conservative a bigot.   

[jerryskids 7,181]

53 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Think for a moment. In this scenario you’re talking about someone fleeing the Taliban or AQ, actual terrorists. The terrorists are the people we are fighting, and this supposed applicant would be democratic (small d), our ally. You’d send him back to the terrorists, even if he’s pro-American & pro-democracy?

I see your point about the administration policies but even under Biden/Trump1/Obama people were looked at very closely.

Wait, what?  You went from "it couldn't happen" to "of course we would let them in!"  You are conflating (1) people who are truly fleeing persecution, which would be, I dunno, a few dozen? with (2) people who live in shiothole countries who want to come here, claim asylum, and join the 80% of Somalis on some form of taxpayer-funded welfare.

[dogcows 1,191]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You can call me a bigot all you want; I've stated repeatedly that I wear that badge proudly when it comes to "concentrations of Muslims."  And I know the label is coming from a low-intelligence wokie who can't argue with a single thing I've said (e.g., concentrations of Muslims in Western countries, from much of Europe to Somaliland in MN, are a net negative to those places), let alone the obvious facts that women and LGBTQ folks are treated like animals, but your moral relativism manages to rationalize it.  But hey, you can put on your  "Queers for Palestine" badge and tell your blue-haired friends how you called the mean internet conservative a bigot. 
 

Sorry, I didn’t mean to leave out the fact that you’re a proud bigot.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

We didn’t have a problem with Islamic terrorism in the United States until fairly recently. It was imported. 

[SaintsInDome2006 755]

15 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Wait, what?  You went from "it couldn't happen" to "of course we would let them in!"  You are conflating (1) people who are truly fleeing persecution, which would be, I dunno, a few dozen? with (2) people who live in shiothole countries who want to come here, claim asylum, and join the 80% of Somalis on some form of taxpayer-funded welfare.

You may have read past me. 

(1) The specific example of Kabul means maybe thousands. The GOP (Graham) to their credit passed a bill under Biden ensuring Afghans who helped out forces & support are cause are protected. I’m sure you & I agree on that. Fwiw that was Tim’s anecdote from IRL.

(2) You & I probably agree that people seeking economic opportunities alone should not qualify for asylum. Nearly everyone in America, including the president’s mother, wife, ex-wife, & paternal grandparents, got here like that, but technically that’s the “front door.” The INA permits something like 1.2 million per year under that system. Thats the law.

 

[SaintsInDome2006 755]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We didn’t have a problem with Islamic terrorism in the United States until fairly recently. It was imported. 

1993 is when the first attack on the WTC took place.

[dogcows 1,191]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

We didn’t have a problem with Islamic terrorism in the United States until fairly recently. It was imported. 

White Christian terrorism, on the other hand, has killed way more people and has been in America for centuries.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

1993 is when the first attack on the WTC took place.

Like I said, fairly recently. We’re 250 years old. The terrorists lived here. They were imported. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

7 minutes ago, dogcows said:

White Christian terrorism, on the other hand, has killed way more people and has been in America for centuries.

Via Terrorism? How? Is it an issue now? 

[SaintsInDome2006 755]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Like I said, fairly recently. We’re 250 years old. The terrorists lived here. They were imported. 

I am going to tend to agree with you, actually, but IMO not all Arabs are the same. The Saudis are the biggest threats. On 9/11/01, 19 of the 20 hijackers were Saudis. They came here on a fast track travel program. That program was reinstated under Trump1, & under Trump2 we’ve formed a NATO-like military alliance with KSA & UAE.We are partnering with them in Gaza. I’ll add we’re devoting a stupid amount of resources on rounding up Hispanic gardeners & ignoring the sort of people you are rightly worried about. 

[SaintsInDome2006 755]

And HT2, much respect for your point, but DHS was designed to share intelligence information on terrorist & foreign adversary (Russia, China, NK, Iran) threats, not act as a massive immigration control umbrella. Our heads are completely turned around.

[The Real timschochet 7,526]

The practice of excluding  people based on religion, ethnicity, or place of origin alone, irrespective of any other factors, is bigoted, morally wrong, and will make us less safe. I don’t have a problem with extensive vetting, long wait periods, and treating people with more caution based on where they’re from. But exclusion is unacceptable. 

[seafoam1 3,495]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

The practice of excluding  people based on religion, ethnicity, or place of origin alone, irrespective of any other factors, is bigoted, morally wrong, and will make us less safe. I don’t have a problem with extensive vetting, long wait periods, and treating people with more caution based on where they’re from. But exclusion is unacceptable. 

Wrong.

Exclusion is completely acceptable. It makes for a safer society. 

You don't need to kill others in other countries or communities, if they are willing to keep the peace, but no way should people be forced to welcome outsiders into their lives. 

[TimHauck 3,382]

1 hour ago, Mike Hunt said:

Tucker Carlson has faced widespread accusations and condemnation from various Jewish organizations, politicians, and commentators for making or platforming comments described as antisemitic. Critics point to a range of statements and actions as evidence of promoting harmful tropes and conspiracy theories. 

 

 

So you think Tucker Carlson is among the top 3 antisemites?  Lol Nick Fuentes didn’t even make the list 

[jerryskids 7,181]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Sorry, I didn’t mean to leave out the fact that you’re a proud bigot.

As I expected, nothing from you to address my actual points.  It's easier for you to just derp away with labels.  Thanks for the W.   

[SaintsInDome2006 755]

1 hour ago, seafoam1 said:

Wrong.

Exclusion is completely acceptable. It makes for a safer society. 

You don't need to kill others in other countries or communities, if they are willing to keep the peace, but no way should people be forced to welcome outsiders into their lives. 

But we lose something too, right? Two of the last three presidents we’ve had (or 3 of the last 4 if you count Trump twice) have been the children of foreigners. The First Lady is foreign born & the Second Lady is the child of immigrants. The nation’s richest citizen & one of its great innovators is foreign born. The Secretary of State (Cuba) & FBI Director (Tanzania) were children of immigrants. 

[dogcows 1,191]

44 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

As I expected, nothing from you to address my actual points.  It's easier for you to just derp away with labels.  Thanks for the W.   

Your points are overly general and can be proven or disproven based on movable goalposts. When you toss out terms like “Western culture” and say that groups of Muslims aren’t compatible with it, I can think of endless examples to the contrary. But you could always change what you mean by western culture, or say that it wasn’t enough Muslims to be a concentration. Etc etc etc ad nauseum.

 

[jerryskids 7,181]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Your points are overly general and can be proven or disproven based on movable goalposts. When you toss out terms like “Western culture” and say that groups of Muslims aren’t compatible with it, I can think of endless examples to the contrary. But you could always change what you mean by western culture, or say that it wasn’t enough Muslims to be a concentration. Etc etc etc ad nauseum.

 

General?  Let's look at the impact of Somaliland in MN:

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Summary

The migration of Somalis to Minnesota has created stark socioeconomic disparities in a region once known for its egalitarianism. This report documents the struggles of the Minnesota Somali population, now numbering over 75,000, in an otherwise high-achieving state. Among the findings:

• More than half (52 percent) of children in Somali immigrant homes in Minnesota live in poverty, while only 8 percent of children in native-headed homes are in poverty.
• One in eight children in poverty in Minnesota lives in a Somali immigrant home.
• About 39 percent of working-age Somalis have no high school diploma, compared to just 5 percent of natives.
• Among working-age adult Somalis who have lived in the U.S. for more than 10 years, half still cannot speak English “very well”.
• About 54 percent of Somali-headed households in Minnesota receive food stamps, and 73 percent of Somali households have at least one member on Medicaid. The comparable figures for native households are 7 percent and 18 percent.
• Nearly every Somali household with children (89 percent) receives some form of welfare.
• Although Somalis have recently been implicated in welfare fraud, any population with poverty rates as high as theirs will qualify for extensive means-tested aid. The best way to reduce immigrant consumption of welfare is not simply to crack down on fraud, but to reduce the number of new arrivals who have low earning power.

https://cis.org/Report/Somali-Immigrants-Minnesota

That's just some economic data.  How about their clan involvement in politics?

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Tensions, celebrations, and disappointment have swept across Somali social media circles following the fiercely contested Minneapolis mayoral election, where the race took on deep clan and community undertones among the city's large Somali diaspora.

In a dramatic and emotional campaign, Jacob Frey secured victory for a third consecutive term as Mayor of Minneapolis, defeating his closest challenger, State Senator Omar Fateh. What made this election particularly remarkable was the way it highlighted the internal divisions within the Somali-American community — primarily between members of the Hawiye and Daarood clans, who rallied behind different candidates.

 

According to social media trends, Congresswoman Ilhan Omar and her ex-husband Ahmed Hersi emerged as key figures on opposing sides of the political divide. Ilhan Omar, who openly supported Omar Fateh, was backed largely by members of the Daarood clan, while Ahmed Hersi, who mobilized an energetic social media campaign, stood firmly behind Jacob Frey — drawing significant support from the Hawiye community.

 

 

Following the announcement of Frey’s victory, jubilant celebrations erupted among Somali Hawiye youth and activists across Facebook, TikTok, and other platforms, where videos and livestreams showcased people waving American and Somali flags, chanting victory slogans, and congratulating Ahmed Hersi’s camp.

 

In contrast, Omar Fateh’s supporters expressed deep frustration and disappointment, accusing local political groups and social media influencers of dividing the community along tribal lines.

https://sunatimes.com/articles/6442/Somali-Clan-Divisions-Surface-as-Jacob-Frey-Wins-Third-Term-in-Minneapolis-Mayoral-Race

Welfare, fraud, lack of assimilation, tribal approach to politics... I'm not seeing the positive impact here.

Your turn, Mr. Specifics.   

[Mike Hunt 317]

6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So you think Tucker Carlson is among the top 3 antisemites?  Lol Nick Fuentes didn’t even make the list 

I am not a Jew, so It is not up to me to decide that.  The Jews  make those decisions.

[Mark Davis 433]

1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

But we lose something too, right? Two of the last three presidents we’ve had (or 3 of the last 4 if you count Trump twice) have been the children of foreigners. The First Lady is foreign born & the Second Lady is the child of immigrants. The nation’s richest citizen & one of its great innovators is foreign born. The Secretary of State (Cuba) & FBI Director (Tanzania) were children of immigrants. 

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not calling for an end to all immigration.  Immigration can be a good thing if done the right way.  But we seem to be hung up on foolishly turning a blind eye to problematic areas of the world when it comes to immigration in an order to not offend anyone.  It's costing not just us, but the West at large in lives and a subculture of people who don't want to assimilate, but rather instill their values on us.  As a result, we are importing the problems of those areas into our culture and homeland.

[SaintsInDome2006 755]

3 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

I can only speak for myself, but I'm not calling for an end to all immigration.  Immigration can be a good thing if done the right way.  But we seem to be hung up on foolishly turning a blind eye to problematic areas of the world when it comes to immigration in an order to not offend anyone.  It's costing not just us, but the West at large in lives and a subculture of people who don't want to assimilate, but rather instill their values on us.  As a result, we are importing the problems of those areas into our culture and homeland.

I think a basic, common misconception surrounds what is western culture. This is western culture, or at least it’s American culture. It’s baked in. 

[seafoam1 3,495]

2 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

But we lose something too, right? Two of the last three presidents we’ve had (or 3 of the last 4 if you count Trump twice) have been the children of foreigners. The First Lady is foreign born & the Second Lady is the child of immigrants. The nation’s richest citizen & one of its great innovators is foreign born. The Secretary of State (Cuba) & FBI Director (Tanzania) were children of immigrants. 

There are no indigenous people in the US. So it doesn't matter to me. But doesn't change a thing. Forcing people of different backgrounds, cultures, religions, etc. to merge together lives is not a thing that should be done. 

If someone wants to be with someone else, I don't care, but don't force me to accept everyone in the world into my space in life. 

[TimHauck 3,382]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

General?  Let's look at the impact of Somaliland in MN:

https://cis.org/Report/Somali-Immigrants-Minnesota

That's just some economic data.  How about their clan involvement in politics?

https://sunatimes.com/articles/6442/Somali-Clan-Divisions-Surface-as-Jacob-Frey-Wins-Third-Term-in-Minneapolis-Mayoral-Race

Welfare, fraud, lack of assimilation, tribal approach to politics... I'm not seeing the positive impact here.

Your turn, Mr. Specifics.   

Gotta love how an attack in Australia by a guy linked to ISIS somehow means that Somalian US citizens in Minnesota are bad.  And this is from the guy that some people here think is “reasonable.”

[dogcows 1,191]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

General?  Let's look at the impact of Somaliland in MN:

https://cis.org/Report/Somali-Immigrants-Minnesota

That's just some economic data.  How about their clan involvement in politics?

https://sunatimes.com/articles/6442/Somali-Clan-Divisions-Surface-as-Jacob-Frey-Wins-Third-Term-in-Minneapolis-Mayoral-Race

Welfare, fraud, lack of assimilation, tribal approach to politics... I'm not seeing the positive impact here.

Your turn, Mr. Specifics.   

Almost all refugees are impoverished when they arrive. That is not unique to Muslims.

As for the “tribal” approach to politics, that is neither inherent in Islam nor even common among most Muslims. Tends to be more Sunni vs Shi’a, not local tribes. Kind of like Protestant v Catholic (more on that to follow).

So you have impoverished refugees, a problem as old as the problem of refugees themselves. You have a tribal view of politics specific to a group of people from a fairly small and underdeveloped nation.

Neither issue appears to have anything to do with the refugees’ religion.

Staying on the topic of religion: perhaps the most famous (infamous?) group of immigrants in U.S. history: the Irish of the 1840s had almost 100% poverty and were hated by many Americans at the time. Those opposing their immigration claimed that their religion would never be compatible with America - their religion? Catholicism.

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And in the opinion of many Americans, those British landlords were not sending their best people. These people were not like the industrious, Protestant Scotch-Irish immigrants who came to America in large numbers during the colonial era, fought in the Continental Army and tamed the frontier. These people were not only poor, unskilled refugees huddled in rickety tenements. Even worse, they were Catholic.

https://www.history.com/articles/when-america-despised-the-irish-the-19th-centurys-refugee-crisis

The faith of refugees isn’t the real issue, but it’s always the first thing people focus on. Maybe it’s time to reflect on history a bit? Pretty sure Catholicism turned out to be “compatible” with American culture. 

And as for tribal politics? That appears to be an example of something Somalis have in common with Americans. I’ve never seen our politics more tribal than they are now. Looks like US politics should be very familiar to them.

And one final historical note: the biggest influx of Muslims into America was those brought here by slave traders. Islam has been in America before it was even a country.

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

Still waiting on dog cows to tell us all about the white Christian terrorism that’s been going on. 

[dogcows 1,191]

9 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Still waiting on dog cows to tell us all about the white Christian terrorism that’s been going on. 

Here’s some light reading material to get you started.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

Or if you prefer a video?

https://www.pbs.org/video/tulsa-race-massacre-100-years-later-vdv9tx/

White terrorism has been a part of America since the beginning.

Let’s learn from it and not repeat the mistakes of the past.

[seafoam1 3,495]

14 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Here’s some light reading material to get you started.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

Or if you prefer a video?

https://www.pbs.org/video/tulsa-race-massacre-100-years-later-vdv9tx/

White terrorism has been a part of America since the beginning.

58% of violent crimes in the US is committed by 13% of the population. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,007]

55 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Here’s some light reading material to get you started.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-slavery.html

Or if you prefer a video?

https://www.pbs.org/video/tulsa-race-massacre-100-years-later-vdv9tx/

White terrorism has been a part of America since the beginning.

Let’s learn from it and not repeat the mistakes of the past.

The US didn’t exist in 1619.  You’ll have to blame that on England. What happened in Tulsa was 100 years ago.  How about we stick to the here and now?