Interference with or Obstructing Law Enforcement

[Engorgeous George 2,415]

What factors are desirable to arrest dangerous or potentially dangerous felons?

1. Locate them

2. Secure a controlled perimeter around them so they may not escape or obtain aid against apprehension and to protect innocent bystanders.

3. Surprise so they can be taken into custody before they have time to arm themselves and resist.

4. Communication and coordination so that #3 can be achieved

 

What do ICE "Protestors" do?  They interfere with #'s 2, 3, and 4, above.  They put themselves in harms way expecting that those they oppose will divert energy, resources, and attention from the task at hand to protect them.  They alert the fugitive through their racket as surely and almost effectively as one of the fugitive's confederates acting as a lookout. They hamper communication and coordination by literally drowning out communication with their racket.  These acts are not protesting the actions of law enforcement, they are actively opposing them.  They are interfering, obstructing.  They are actually endangering law enforcement and their own communities as well if their actions allow a felon to pick up arms and flee into the very community maybe they have already victimized. 

 

If you oppose government actions or policy please feel free to speak out publicly to try to get a discussion going on changing policy or law.  Petition your government peacefully for redress of grievances by writing or calling your elected representatives or filing suit in the courts.  Run for office.  Hold teach ins.  Even engage in civil disobedience and passive resistence, but do not interfere with ongoing arrest operations of you don't know who or how dangerous while those operations are ongoing.  After the fact feel free to share video you quietly took form a safe distance.  Make inquiries and observe what process is then given.  Trail the law enforcement to where they are detaining the fugitive.  Seek writs of habeas corpus to determine the fugitives fate and to secure their rights. But alerting dangerous men to an impending armed arrest, ungood and I would argue illegal.     

 

[Strike 6,199]

Yep but this will fall on deaf ears.

[MDC 8,344]

You know what’s also endangering law enforcement and the public? The complete unprofessionalism of this admin.

They announce ICE’s presence in Minneapolis with tweets, goad protestors by promising “a day of reckoning and retribution,” encourage ICE to violate the Constitution by detaining people and busting down doors without a warrant, and erode the public trust in law enforcement by lying about shootings and declaring blanket immunity.

What you’re seeing on the streets of Minneapolis is exactly what this admin wanted.  

[Meglamaniac 821]

31 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

What factors are desirable to arrest dangerous or potentially dangerous felons?

1. Locate them

2. Secure a controlled perimeter around them so they may not escape or obtain aid against apprehension and to protect innocent bystanders.

3. Surprise so they can be taken into custody before they have time to arm themselves and resist.

4. Communication and coordination so that #3 can be achieved

 

What do ICE "Protestors" do?  They interfere with #'s 2, 3, and 4, above.  They put themselves in harms way expecting that those they oppose will divert energy, resources, and attention from the task at hand to protect them.  They alert the fugitive through their racket as surely and almost effectively as one of the fugitive's confederates acting as a lookout. They hamper communication and coordination by literally drowning out communication with their racket.  These acts are not protesting the actions of law enforcement, they are actively opposing them.  They are interfering, obstructing.  They are actually endangering law enforcement and their own communities as well if their actions allow a felon to pick up arms and flee into the very community maybe they have already victimized. 

 

If you oppose government actions or policy please feel free to speak out publicly to try to get a discussion going on changing policy or law.  Petition your government peacefully for redress of grievances by writing or calling your elected representatives or filing suit in the courts.  Run for office.  Hold teach ins.  Even engage in civil disobedience and passive resistence, but do not interfere with ongoing arrest operations of you don't know who or how dangerous while those operations are ongoing.  After the fact feel free to share video you quietly took form a safe distance.  Make inquiries and observe what process is then given.  Trail the law enforcement to where they are detaining the fugitive.  Seek writs of habeas corpus to determine the fugitives fate and to secure their rights. But alerting dangerous men to an impending armed arrest, ungood and I would argue illegal.     

 

You're wasting your time EG

[Engorgeous George 2,415]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

You know what’s also endangering law enforcement and the public? The complete unprofessionalism of this admin.

They announce ICE’s presence in Minneapolis with tweets, goad protestors by promising “a day of reckoning and retribution,” encourage ICE to violate the Constitution by detaining people and busting down doors without a warrant, and erode the public trust in law enforcement by lying about shootings and declaring blanket immunity.

What you’re seeing on the streets of Minneapolis is exactly what this admin wanted.  

Two things can be true at the same time.  What is certain, at least to me, is that when your ship is on fire, headed towards the rocks, in a squall, with the rudder broken and power out, fighting amongst ourselves on deck as to who has the next dinner seating for the captains buffet is senseless, yet that is what so many want to do.

 

Tough I could not caution all

I still might warn a few

Don't lend your hand, to raise no flag

Atop a ship of fools

  -Robert Hunter, or so my memory tells me.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

36 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

What factors are desirable to arrest dangerous or potentially dangerous felons?

That's not who they are targeting.  HTH.

[Engorgeous George 2,415]

1 minute ago, Meglamaniac said:

You're wasting your time EG

I know. Rtirement is nice that way.  Still, I am off for now.  I have to work out, then show up to draft some legislation pertaining to ADA accessibility.  The Council Member who wishes to sponsor the legislation and I are from different places on the political spectrum, but we respect each other, occassionally find common ground, and i am happy to volunteer my time to forward his efforts.

[Engorgeous George 2,415]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

That's not who they are targeting.  HTH.

The protestors have no idea who they are targeting on any one operation so they are being reckless, feckless, and dangerous.

[Meglamaniac 821]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

I know. Rtirement is nice that way.  Still, I am off for now.  I have to work out, then show up to draft some legislation pertaining to ADA accessibility.  The Council Member who wishes to sponsor the legislation and I are from different places on the political spectrum, but we respect each other, occassionally find common ground, and i am happy to volunteer my time to forward his efforts.

Enjoy the rest of your day

[Engorgeous George 2,415]

TTFN

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

The protestors have no idea who they are targeting on any one operation so they are being reckless, feckless, and dangerous.

The data tells us that the percentage of dangerous felons they actually arrest is very low, so a reasonable person can conclude that it's not who they are targeting thus the protesting and warning.

If ICE wanted to do this is right, they would actually target the dangerous felons but they are not.

[MDC 8,344]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

The protestors have no idea who they are targeting on any one operation so they are being reckless, feckless, and dangerous.

Turns out people get pissed off when the POTUS sends armed thugs into a city to illegally detain people without cause and in many assault peaceful protestors. 

Let’s focus on the people blowing whistles though.  

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

Seriously what kind of an idiot thinks that protesters are trying to protect violent criminals?  Who wants a violent criminal living in their neighborhood?

Use common sense for once.

[Hawkeye21 2,484]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

The data tells us that the percentage of dangerous felons they actually arrest is very low, so a reasonable person can conclude that it's not who they are targeting thus the protesting and warning.

If ICE wanted to do this is right, they would actually target the dangerous felons but they are not.

Why are people interring at all in the first place?

[Mark Davis 448]

44 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

What factors are desirable to arrest dangerous or potentially dangerous felons?

1. Locate them

2. Secure a controlled perimeter around them so they may not escape or obtain aid against apprehension and to protect innocent bystanders.

3. Surprise so they can be taken into custody before they have time to arm themselves and resist.

4. Communication and coordination so that #3 can be achieved

 

What do ICE "Protestors" do?  They interfere with #'s 2, 3, and 4, above.  They put themselves in harms way expecting that those they oppose will divert energy, resources, and attention from the task at hand to protect them.  They alert the fugitive through their racket as surely and almost effectively as one of the fugitive's confederates acting as a lookout. They hamper communication and coordination by literally drowning out communication with their racket.  These acts are not protesting the actions of law enforcement, they are actively opposing them.  They are interfering, obstructing.  They are actually endangering law enforcement and their own communities as well if their actions allow a felon to pick up arms and flee into the very community maybe they have already victimized. 

 

If you oppose government actions or policy please feel free to speak out publicly to try to get a discussion going on changing policy or law.  Petition your government peacefully for redress of grievances by writing or calling your elected representatives or filing suit in the courts.  Run for office.  Hold teach ins.  Even engage in civil disobedience and passive resistence, but do not interfere with ongoing arrest operations of you don't know who or how dangerous while those operations are ongoing.  After the fact feel free to share video you quietly took form a safe distance.  Make inquiries and observe what process is then given.  Trail the law enforcement to where they are detaining the fugitive.  Seek writs of habeas corpus to determine the fugitives fate and to secure their rights. But alerting dangerous men to an impending armed arrest, ungood and I would argue illegal.     

 

There you go again being reasonable

[Fireballer 2,721]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

If ICE wanted to do this is right, they would actually target the dangerous felons but they are not.

So, ICE enforcing immigration law hurts your feelings.  Completely on brand 

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

So, ICE enforcing immigration law hurts your feelings.  Completely on brand 

Hurts my feelings?  They are murdering innocent Americans.  Yeah that's something I'm against.  It's a shame you're not.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why are people interring at all in the first place?

Because they are protecting their community.

Do you know anyone here illegal?  I do.  They live in my community, and they are nice people.  Not felons, they work, I don't want to see them deported.  At the place I volunteer the owner was tipped that ICE was coming so she shut down to protect the workers.  I applaud.

Do you not agree?

[Fireballer 2,721]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Hurts my feelings?  They are murdering innocent Americans.  Yeah that's something I'm against.  It's a shame you're not.

We’re not talking about the shooting.  We’re talking about obstruction in the thread with “obstruction” in the title. Tell us, how do the protestors act towards ICE when they are trying to apprehend a violent criminal vs a non-  violent criminal?

[cyclone24 2,011]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Hurts my feelings?  They are murdering innocent Americans.  Yeah that's something I'm against.  It's a shame you're not.

Imagine thinking this and trying to come off as rational. 

 

you know two places that will actually make a difference where you won’t get shot? On the couch at home and at the ballot box. Maybe send that to your barista and poets so liberal rhetoric doesn’t keep getting them killed by doing dumb things.

[cyclone24 2,011]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Because they are protecting their community.

Do you know anyone here illegal?  I do.  They live in my community, and they are nice people.  Not felons, they work, I don't want to see them deported.  At the place I volunteer the owner was tipped that ICE was coming so she shut down to protect the workers.  I applaud.

Do you not agree?

So you’re OK obstructing federal law because it fits your political narrative. What other laws are we OK to break because of your feelings?

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

We’re not talking about the shooting.  We’re talking about obstruction in the thread with “obstruction” in the title. Tell us, how do the protestors act towards ICE when they are trying to apprehend a violent criminal vs a non-  violent criminal?

I have no idea and either do you, that's a dumb question.

[Strike 6,199]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Because they are protecting their community.

Do you know anyone here illegal?  I do.  They live in my community, and they are nice people.  Not felons, they work, I don't want to see them deported.  At the place I volunteer the owner was tipped that ICE was coming so she shut down to protect the workers.  I applaud.

Do you not agree?

You're saying it's ok to interfere with law enforcement.  And No that's not ok.  FFS.

[Hawkeye21 2,484]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

Because they are protecting their community.

Do you know anyone here illegal?  I do.  They live in my community, and they are nice people.  Not felons, they work, I don't want to see them deported.  At the place I volunteer the owner was tipped that ICE was coming so she shut down to protect the workers.  I applaud.

Do you not agree?

I do feel bad for them but at the same time, they are here illegally.  When you break our laws and get caught, you have to pay the consequences.  I would like to see the immigration process made easier so people who want to come here don't feel they need to do it illegally.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

So you’re OK obstructing federal law because it fits your political narrative. What other laws are we OK to break because of your feelings?

What would you do if a federal agent tried to kidnap your wife or daughter, with no ID, no warrant, just show up with a gun and take them.  You would wave goodbye?

[Hawkeye21 2,484]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

What would you do if a federal agent tried to kidnap your wife or daughter, with no ID, no warrant, just show up with a gun and take them.  You would wave goodbye?

Why would they try to do that?  We're not here illegally.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

You're saying it's ok to interfere with law enforcement.  And No that's not ok.  FFS.

But you supported Jan 6 right?  You felt it was OK to interfere with law enforcement that day because the election was stolen right?  You felt righteous?

[cyclone24 2,011]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

What would you do if a federal agent tried to kidnap your wife or daughter, with no ID, no warrant, just show up with a gun and take them.  You would wave goodbye?

You’re assuming I would be such an idiot to interfere with federal officers which I wouldn’t. I would be yelling from the high heavens to do what they asked. 
 

Look if you wanna go out and cause trouble? I can’t stop you even as moronic and unaccomplished it will be. But yeah, at some point you have to have a trigger that says hey I got in this way too deep, I listened to the rhetoric a little too much and now it’s time to just get home safe.

But there’s a very clear point where they could’ve complied gotten arrested, Lord knows liberals are just gonna let them go and you go home. But that’s not what they chose to do. They made that choice.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Why would they try to do that?  We're not here illegally.

Because do not have the best intentions.  American citizens are being snatched up, it's not just illegals.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

You’re assuming I would be such an idiot to interfere with federal officers which I wouldn’t. I would be yelling from the high heavens to do what they asked. 
 

Look if you wanna go out and cause trouble? I can’t stop you even as moronic and unaccomplished it will be. But yeah, at some point you have to have a trigger that says hey I got in this way too deep, I listened to the rhetoric a little too much and now it’s time to just get home safe.

But there’s a very clear point where they could’ve complied gotten arrested, Lord knows liberals are just gonna let them go and you go home. But that’s not what they chose to do. They made that choice.

And the thugs that murdered him made a choice too, and they will be held accountable by a jury of their peers.

[Fireballer 2,721]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I have no idea and either do you, that's a dumb question.

It’s perfectly legit question. So would you agree that protestors have no idea whether ICE is picking up a violent criminal or not?

[cyclone24 2,011]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

But you supported Jan 6 right?  You felt it was OK to interfere with law enforcement that day because the election was stolen right?  You felt righteous?

I said the minute it started that they better get their asses out of there that police should get them out of there before it gets dark or it’s gonna get really ugly. 
Their target was not police or federal agents…unlike Minneapolis. 

It was amateur hour.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

It’s perfectly legit question. So would you agree that protestors have no idea whether ICE is picking up a violent criminal or not?

In each particular instance, of course.  When 90% of the people being snatched are not violent criminals, you can assume they are not.

[Strike 6,199]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

What would you do if a federal agent tried to kidnap your wife or daughter, with no ID, no warrant, just show up with a gun and take them.  You would wave goodbye?

I wouldn't be married to an illegal.

[cyclone24 2,011]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

And the thugs that murdered him made a choice too, and they will be held accountable by a jury of their peers.

Lol… yeah they typically make the same choice when you fight with them with a loaded gun. So take your pick which felony occurred and how many orders he ignored before he got shot.

no jury is going to find these guys guilty

[cyclone24 2,011]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

In each particular instance, of course.  When 90% of the people being snatched are not violent criminals, you can assume they are not.

Just purely made up gibberish

[Strike 6,199]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

But you supported Jan 6 right?  You felt it was OK to interfere with law enforcement that day because the election was stolen right?  You felt righteous?

I haven't said one thing you just attributed to me.  You're reaching Hack/SID level patheticness.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

I said the minute it started that they better get their asses out of there that police should get them out of there before it gets dark or it’s gonna get really ugly. 
Their target was not police or federal agents…unlike Minneapolis. 

It was amateur hour.

Their target was our congress and that dumb b1tch ashley madison or whatever almost made it there until thankfully a cop stopped her and put her down. I'm sure you support her death, FAFO right?

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

I wouldn't be married to an illegal.

Never said illegal

[Hawkeye21 2,484]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Because do not have the best intentions.  American citizens are being snatched up, it's not just illegals.

I know it's easier said than done, but, when you know you've done nothing wrong you need to just follow orders and go through the process.  When they are able to determine that they were in the wrong you get let go safely.  At that point, you can sue them if you want.