Interference with or Obstructing Law Enforcement

[Hawkeye21 2,484]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Which is why you don’t do the operation in this manner. Constitutional issues aside.

I don't disagree with that.  I don't know the best way to carry it out either though.

[Strike 6,201]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Which is why you don’t do the operation in this manner. Constitutional issues aside.

Yes. If only the local law enforcement would partner with the Feds for crowd control.  That way they don't have to violate their Sanctuary City rules but can help ensure people don't needlessly die.  But here we are.

[SaintsInDome2006 928]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't disagree with that.  I don't know the best way to carry it out either though.

Outta likes, but thanks.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

26 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yes. If only the local law enforcement would partner with the Feds for crowd control.  That way they don't have to violate their Sanctuary City rules but can help ensure people don't needlessly die.  But here we are.

How are 600 cops going to do crowd control for 3k ice agents?

 

[seafoam1 3,633]

31 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't disagree with that.  I don't know the best way to carry it out either though.

Liberals simply need to stop being violent is all. Protest all you like. But they won't stop.

Crowd control should be there to  simply keep them away from getting in the way in terms of space. Not needing to deal with their violence.

This is all on liberal voters and rioters. 

 

[dogcows 1,516]

2 hours ago, Fireballer said:

An opinion piece by a liberal think tank.  Do you even read your links?  I’d certainly be interested in some case law though.

ÇATO has always been a right-wing organization. I don’t think they fully got onto the MAGA crazy train though. So suddenly that makes them liberal?

[nobody 3,005]

2 hours ago, MDC said:

I’d say the douche bag is the rent-a thug who shoved a woman to the ground and pepper gassed Prezzi when he tried to protect her. Not the guy who took a face full of pepper gas before getting pistol whipped, beaten and shot.

 

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How does being douche bag a give a person dignity?  It's called intelligence and there's been a severe lack of it here.

Guys, don't forget to consider maybe both sides are douchebags.

In my experience, for something to escalate, it usually takes two douchebags,

[Engorgeous George 2,415]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

It sounds like you're laying 100% of the blame on extremist liberals, which is all liberals based on how you wrote it. With 0% of the blame going toward ICE/CBP agents?

Is that correct? This ain't a gotcha, I respect your opinion and want to make sure I'm not misrepresenting your position.

There is plenty of blame to go around.  The ICE agents may be adequately trained to pick up garden variety illegals at the garden variety store.  They are not adequately trained to make arrests of dangerous felons in an unconrolled environment with adjitators distracting them and disrupting communications and trying to make them respond emotionally.  The "protestors" are not trying to protest or to change policy or law, they have decided to interfer with the enfocement of the laws they do not like.  They are making routine situations dangerous and dangerous situations worse.  Cooler heads on each side have been what I have been advocating.  The hotter heads on both sides see me as being on the other side of the issue and of being a fool.  Of course I am a fool as it is clear most folks have not finished with their excoriating of the other side and their need to declare a win for themselves and their beliefs.  Advocating for understanding and compromise is foolish in the current political environment.  Still, I am a happy idiot. 

[nobody 3,005]

44 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

How are 600 cops going to do crowd control for 3k ice agents?

 

It takes 5 ICE agents to beat up one old lady, so the 5:1 math works.

[TimHauck 3,571]

1 hour ago, Strike said:

Yes. If only the local law enforcement would partner with the Feds for crowd control.  That way they don't have to violate their Sanctuary City rules but can help ensure people don't needlessly die.  But here we are.

Seems like that would totally screw up #3 from the OP.

[Engorgeous George 2,415]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

There are. What if they are not being carried out by the Feds?

The administration is still answerable to congress and the courts and of course, ultimately the voters.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

The same people that refused to wear masks and get vaccines because the govt told them to are fine with the govt telling them not ask questions, look the other way, give up your guns and submit.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

The administration is still answerable to congress

[nobody 3,005]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

The same people that refused to wear masks and get vaccines because the govt told them to are fine with the govt telling them not ask questions, look the other way, give up your guns and submit.

I don't see many people advocating giving up guns.  In fact the only person I see saying anything about the 2nd amendment is you asserting that MAGA is now ready to bootlick their guns away.  I don't think that's the case.

I will say though that one good thing that came out of this is a whole swath of people seem to understand the value of the 2nd amendment all the sudden.

 

[Engorgeous George 2,415]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Laugh all you want but you are laughing at yourself.  You have posted elsewhere you hope the midterms will at least flip the House.  I believe it may.  If and when it does the Democrats will hold the ban hammer so to speak.  They will control the budget, have an upper hand in assigning judicial positions, and will have subpoena power for inevitable calls for impeachment which will hamstring the agenda of the Executive branch.  We saw it during the Presidents first term and I believe we are headed for a repeat.

[Engorgeous George 2,415]

4 minutes ago, nobody said:

I don't see many people advocating giving up guns.  In fact the only person I see saying anything about the 2nd amendment is you asserting that MAGA is now ready to bootlick their guns away.  I don't think that's the case.

I will say though that one good thing that came out of this is a whole swath of people seem to understand the value of the 2nd amendment all the sudden.

 

Few though seem to understand that with the right comes responsibility to exercise it thoughtfully.  Too bad our founders did not encapsulate responsibility with rights.  Of course mandating it is antithetical to the very concept of a right.

[Fireballer 2,722]

38 minutes ago, dogcows said:

ÇATO has always been a right-wing organization. I don’t think they fully got onto the MAGA crazy train though. So suddenly that makes them liberal?

Maybe some economically, but socially liberal.  Tell me, do you think they agree with removing illegal immigrants?

[Hawkeye21 2,484]

15 minutes ago, nobody said:

 

Guys, don't forget to consider maybe both sides are douchebags.

In my experience, for something to escalate, it usually takes two douchebags,

Wouldn't it make the most sense for those two to stay away from each other then?  Instead we have one purposely seeking out the other.  Sounds pretty dumb to me.

[TimHauck 3,571]

15 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

There is plenty of blame to go around.  The ICE agents may be adequately trained to pick up garden variety illegals at the garden variety store.  They are not adequately trained to make arrests of dangerous felons in an unconrolled environment with adjitators distracting them and disrupting communications and trying to make them respond emotionally.  The "protestors" are not trying to protest or to change policy or law, they have decided to interfer with the enfocement of the laws they do not like.  

It’s not just laws they don’t like, it’s also DHS violating laws like asking for ID based on skin color (confirmed by police).

[Hardcore troubadour 16,310]

50 minutes ago, dogcows said:

ÇATO has always been a right-wing organization. I don’t think they fully got onto the MAGA crazy train though. So suddenly that makes them liberal?

CATO has always been pro corporation/ cheap labor. The fact you don’t know this says a lot. 

[TimHauck 3,571]

5 hours ago, Meglamaniac said:

You're wasting your time EG

Do you have an opinion on Mr Pretti’s death?  Justified shoot or no?

[Meglamaniac 821]

Just now, TimHauck said:

Do you have an opinion on Mr Pretti’s death?  Justified shoot or no?

So desperate and so pathetic, such a little attention wh0re

[TimHauck 3,571]

1 minute ago, Meglamaniac said:

So desperate and so pathetic, such a little attention wh0re

I like to engage in actual discussion by providing actual opinions, unfortunately you don’t.

[Meglamaniac 821]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I like to engage in actual discussion by providing actual opinions, unfortunately you don’t.

14 tags/quotes since Sat

So desperate and so pathetic, such a little attention wh0re

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

18 minutes ago, nobody said:

I don't see many people advocating giving up guns.  In fact the only person I see saying anything about the 2nd amendment is you asserting that MAGA is now ready to bootlick their guns away.  I don't think that's the case.

I will say though that one good thing that came out of this is a whole swath of people seem to understand the value of the 2nd amendment all the sudden.

 

Real conservatives do.  The nra does as they came out against Trump on this.

The admin is saying that if you show up at a protest with a legal gun you're a threat and a domestic terrorist.

[League Champion 1,998]

24 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

give up your guns and submit

Come and get it Pansy 

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

13 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Maybe some economically, but socially liberal.  Tell me, do you think they agree with removing illegal immigrants?

Many conservatives don't.  Ronald Reagan didn't.

Maga is fascism, not conservatism.

[Ron_Artest 2,897]

19 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Laugh all you want but you are laughing at yourself.  You have posted elsewhere you hope the midterms will at least flip the House.  I believe it may.  If and when it does the Democrats will hold the ban hammer so to speak.  They will control the budget, have an upper hand in assigning judicial positions, and will have subpoena power for inevitable calls for impeachment which will hamstring the agenda of the Executive branch.  We saw it during the Presidents first term and I believe we are headed for a repeat.

Yes, only if Democrats have the seats.  This Congress is a ball less stooge for Trump.