tubby_mcgee 690 Posted April 17, 2018 Or just someone who has been there done that/experienced anything like this. Lifted on Thursday afternoon (shoulder workout.) Went as it always does for the most part.No pain, everything normal.Wake up Friday....all normal. Wake up Saturday....I think it was all normal. Didn't notice anything til maybe a slight bit Saturday evening. Wake up Sunday...moderate pain. Wake up Monday...worse pain than Sunday. More than moderate. Hot tubbed, Iced. Hot pack, Advil. Etc. So....WTF could it be? I don't see how it could be anything much. If I "hurt" it or "injured" it working out...I should have noticed something right then, and if not, certainly on Friday morning. I don't think it's rotator cuff, because a buddy of mine said to hold my left fist against my left nipple and then raise my elbow. (That's what his doc had him do). He said he couldn't do it (pain) and his doc said "oohh...could be rotator cuff). I can't however reach upward. I can't reach with my left arm to close my door in vehicle. I can ..but its painful. I can't reach forward to grab a pen off my desk.Ya know what "pec dec" is? Well.. I did "reverse pec dec" (where you force the weight outward rather than inward) on Thursday. When I make that motion now, it hurts like hell.... The pain is not "sore", its more so "sharp" and almost feels like an impingement. It bothers me that it is a sharp pain and not normal muscle soreness.What relieves me, is that I didn't have any pain on Thursday or Friday, so ....that tells me it can't be anything major. But why the pain now? I didn't do anything on Saturday or Sunday - other than stand around for 6 hours and coach. Any ideas other than cancer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,215 Posted April 17, 2018 Sarno. Do you have new stress in your life? Perhaps people depending on you? YWIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted April 17, 2018 You have the AIDS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,716 Posted April 17, 2018 I'd wait on Pen or Digby. Digby might be the guy though, very athletic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,904 Posted April 17, 2018 I'd wait on Pen or Digby. Digby might be the guy though, very athletic. Waiting for Pen to show up with the...I told you so In 3...2...1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,904 Posted April 17, 2018 Not sure how old you are, but I swear I have focked something up in my back, neck or shoulder while sleeping. At least thats what I blame it on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted April 17, 2018 Why is Tubby working out ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casual Observer 597 Posted April 17, 2018 Or just someone who has been there done that/experienced anything like this. Lifted on Thursday afternoon (shoulder workout.) Went as it always does for the most part. No pain, everything normal. Wake up Friday....all normal. Wake up Saturday....I think it was all normal. Didn't notice anything til maybe a slight bit Saturday evening. Wake up Sunday...moderate pain. Wake up Monday...worse pain than Sunday. More than moderate. Hot tubbed, Iced. Hot pack, Advil. Etc. So....WTF could it be? I don't see how it could be anything much. If I "hurt" it or "injured" it working out...I should have noticed something right then, and if not, certainly on Friday morning. I don't think it's rotator cuff, because a buddy of mine said to hold my left fist against my left nipple and then raise my elbow. (That's what his doc had him do). He said he couldn't do it (pain) and his doc said "oohh...could be rotator cuff). I can't however reach upward. I can't reach with my left arm to close my door in vehicle. I can ..but its painful. I can't reach forward to grab a pen off my desk. Ya know what "pec dec" is? Well.. I did "reverse pec dec" (where you force the weight outward rather than inward) on Thursday. When I make that motion now, it hurts like hell.... The pain is not "sore", its more so "sharp" and almost feels like an impingement. It bothers me that it is a sharp pain and not normal muscle soreness. What relieves me, is that I didn't have any pain on Thursday or Friday, so ....that tells me it can't be anything major. But why the pain now? I didn't do anything on Saturday or Sunday - other than stand around for 6 hours and coach. Any ideas other than cancer? It could be a rotator cuff tear. The rotator cuff is made up of 4 or so muscles attaching to the scapula at one end and the humerus at the other. An injury to any of these can manifest in different ways. There are self test videos you can check out on YouTube for the different muscles. I have an impingement in my right shoulder and I'm coming off of a 4 month layoff from lifting. I first hurt it doing dumbbell lifts for rear deltas similar to what you were doing. That hurt pretty bad at first and the pain would bother me at night, unable to sleep. It hurt to pull the seatbelt across, etc. Assuming you don't have a rotator cuff tear and you're dealing solely with an infringement issue, check out the Kelly Starret videos on Youtube Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Casual Observer 597 Posted April 17, 2018 It could be a rotator cuff tear. The rotator cuff is made up of 4 or so muscles attaching to the scapula at one end and the humerus at the other. An injury to any of these can manifest in different ways. There are self test videos you can check out on YouTube for the different muscles. I have an impingement in my right shoulder and I'm coming off of a 4 month layoff from lifting. I first hurt it doing dumbbell lifts for rear deltas similar to what you were doing. That hurt pretty bad at first and the pain would bother me at night, unable to sleep. It hurt to pull the seatbelt across, etc. Assuming you don't have a rotator cuff tear and you're dealing solely with an infringement issue, check out the Kelly Starret videos on Youtube Delts and impingement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted April 17, 2018 Torn labrum? Actually posty couldve right. Would need an MRI to confirm since its tissue damage and not bone damage. Might need to have an MRI with contrast done but if this is an isolated incident give it a couple days. How is your range of motion? That would need to be evaluated as I cant see it. 15 minutes ice 15 minutes heat 4-5 times a day. No heavy or moderate lifting. Ibuprofen as needed. Follow up with your PCM on getting it examined and possible MRI scheduled if it persists Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 12,716 Posted April 17, 2018 Actually posty couldve right. Would need an MRI to confirm since its tissue damage and not bone damage. Might need to have an MRI with contrast done but if this is an isolated incident give it a couple days. How is your range of motion? That would need to be evaluated as I cant see it. 15 minutes ice 15 minutes heat 4-5 times a day. No heavy or moderate lifting. Ibuprofen as needed. Follow up with your PCM on getting it examined and possible MRI scheduled if it persists Nailed it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted April 17, 2018 Actually posty couldve right. Would need an MRI to confirm since its tissue damage and not bone damage. Might need to have an MRI with contrast done but if this is an isolated incident give it a couple days. How is your range of motion? That would need to be evaluated as I cant see it. 15 minutes ice 15 minutes heat 4-5 times a day. No heavy or moderate lifting. Ibuprofen as needed. Follow up with your PCM on getting it examined and possible MRI scheduled if it persists WebMD said the same thing. Thanks for playing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted April 17, 2018 WebMD said the same thing. Thanks for playing. Youre a complete moron if you use WebMD. Thanks for playing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tubby_mcgee 690 Posted April 17, 2018 It could be a rotator cuff tear. But wouldn't I have felt SOMETHING when I did it....or at the the LEAST....the next day? Same with the labrum. I did military press with dumbbells....and "reverse" pec dec to work rear delts (on Thursday). Ended the workout normal...zero pain, zero pulls, zero anything out of the orinary. Zero pain the next day (Friday). Today, I couldn't do helium balloons if I tried. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shotsup 832 Posted April 17, 2018 Youre a complete moron if you use WebMD. Thanks for playing I didn't. You did Gomer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 5,215 Posted April 17, 2018 Sarno. Do you have new stress in your life? Perhaps people depending on you? YWIA Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Djgb13 2,338 Posted April 17, 2018 I didn't. You did Gomer. Yea WebMD would probably say he has cancer. So yea. Maybe if you spent less time drinking and more time in reality you would realize how much of a dumbass and douche you are Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 17, 2018 Initially I thought you had delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS), which occurs a couple days after eccentric exercise, AKA negatives, where resistance is applied during the lengthening of a muscle. But your problems with external rotation sound more like a rotator cuff injury (partial tear or impingement), specifically involving the infraspinatous and/or teres minor muscles. Weakness, as opposed to motion limited by solely by pain, is a key feature suggesting a tear. You dont need an MRI yet. Rest and give it a few days. Ice and NSAIDS for pain, and look up rotator cuff exercises for rehab. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tanatastic 2,061 Posted April 17, 2018 Initially I thought you had delayed onset muscle soreness (DOMS), which occurs a couple days after eccentric exercise, AKA negatives, where resistance is applied during the lengthening of a muscle. But your problems with external rotation sound more like a rotator cuff injury (partial tear or impingement), specifically involving the infraspinatous and/or teres minor muscles. You dont need an MRI yet. Rest and give it a few days. Ice and NSAIDS for pain, and look up rotator cuff exercises for rehab. See its medical advice like this that makes my asking for a medical license to verify (through pm so its not public, even though its something anyone can look up, but whatever Bruce Wayne.) a reasonable request. If for example someone takes this advice and it ends up hurting them, well... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
penultimatestraw 473 Posted April 17, 2018 See its medical advice like this that makes my asking for a medical license to verify (through pm so its not public, even though its something anyone can look up, but whatever Bruce Wayne.) a reasonable request. If for example someone takes this advice and it ends up hurting them, well...That advice isn’t going to hurt him. Even if he has a full tear (very unlikely), there is no rush for surgery (the treatment of choice). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
