Bears vs Lions

[Sho Nuff 720]

not playing your bitter games anymore, sho. we've moved on from them. i just don't understand your venom and bitterness. i would speculate it has something to do with the packers demise, but you were this same petty, bitter person last summer when you were still predicting the packers were nfcn champs until proven otherwise.

 

so i guess i'm stumped where the bitterness comes from. it's just an ff board, so you're not obligated to share or spill your guts about it. but some of us do wonder.

 

cheers.

What venom? Pointing out your ignorant, delusional, hypocrital nature is not venom...it is fact.

 

Bitterness? I have none.

 

Keep wondering...you can keep denying that what has been said here, but once again you have been exposed...yet you whine about it, now deny it, and try to play the good guy. It is really quite sad.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Come on everyone.  This Norse division crap is really going too far.  It is just a message board, unfortunately one does reap what he sows.  Let's get this thing back on track.  Everyone involved in this thread, that I didn't even read, needs to notch it down some.  Every post involving the Pack, The Bears, and the Lions digresses into meaningless drivel.  It is fast becoming, and has been a joke for some time.    It's gone to the point where I don't even care where it began.  I just want to be able to have a meaningful discussion on the Division from time to time.

Are teams are all in shambles at this point, and so are the conversations..........................................................For What it's worth!

RC is right

 

Evil has won over good today.

 

I promise to never ever post in a Lions thread if others will do the same.

this is a public message board! post away at any thread you want! that mindset is half your problem right there.

It was a joke

 

The comedy being that I could easily stay away from the one Lions thread I enter a week, but other people would have difficultly not entering the hundreds of Packer threads they go into each week.

 

 

I do think people are getting a little too serious.

Without our playful banter, this topic would be on page 18 by now.

 

C'mon. Lions/Bears???

i have yet to make a post where i'm not inwardly laughing my azz off. perhaps that's part of the problem: mis-reads.

 

anyhoo. i'd agree to a ceasefire...but then again with the next post i make critical of the bears or packers it'll start all over again. the key is in the response--not the initial post

 

i'll give you this: with the lions, bears, and vikes killing each other off (essentially) in the next few weeks...the packers *could* re-enter the race if they win all or most of their next 3-4 games. but that's a tall order with cincy, pitt, and atlanta on the schedule.

Funny how you are now using misreads as a slam against others....this is your biggest problem on this board. Aside from the one time you caught PackerAaron, you have misread nearly everything Packer fans have been saying this year. And you post your thoughts of our words as if they are fact and can never back it up with what we actually said. Wow, your hypocrisy knows no bounds, huh?

as i said at that time: you could learn a lot from packeraron. me calling him out--and him responding--was all in good fun. you, ironically, projected much into that situation as some sort of misguided attempt to come to packeraron's aid...but his laughing it off and taking his medicine (again, good naturedly) was a lesson that was then--and is now--completely lost on you.

 

i wish you the best.

Obviously lost on you...I got the point...yet you have never called me out or caught me in a thing...I, and others have caught you and exposed you over and over. And instead of acting like PA, you turned into a whiny chump in denial who is closing in fast on GFIAFP.

[Sho Nuff 720]

This may be a futile effort, but can we bring this thread back to a discussion on football?

 

Outside of wishful thinking, I havent heard a single analytical point that speaks to what has improved with Det and regressed with Chi since the week 2 ass kicking.

 

Why exactly does Det have the advantage in this game? I would really like to hear the basis of this argument.

 

Since week 2:

 

* Many major injuries or missing players on Det's side including Charles and Shaun Rogers, Roy Williams, Kevin Johnson, Dre Bly and even Mike Williams.

* A qb meltdown of epic proportions and a change to the backup who now all of a sudden is so much better

* Internal bickering and a coach that seems to lack control over his players

* An oline that was completely dominated in week 2 that hasnt shown any noticable improvements and could be without LT Backus.

 

On the Bears side, you have seen

 

* a D that has improved each week. One bad game against Cinci. Det's O has been dismal and there is no reason to think they will break through the Bears D based on each's performance this year

* A rookie qb that had 1 very bad game, but has since managed games effectively. He doesnt win them persay, but has not lossed either playing within himself and relying on the run and calling a sound gameplan.

* TJ emerging as the season wears on as one of the best backs going. With Rodgers gimpy, Det's run D takes a big hit

 

Pluses for Det are a home game and a mobile journeyman qb replacement. Is that really emough to close the gap?

 

Save the trash and the wishful homer perspective. I'd love to hear some real and reasonable reasons why Det will win.

 

I'd be happy to take swamp up on a sigbet, but the reality is that I hardly post here these days as I'm on the road the next couple of weeks. Not sure it would be fair considering I might post 10 times over vthe next couple of weeks.

Agreed. Week 2 the Lions were destroyed by pretty much this same Bear team and the Lions have suffered many losses. Now, the homefield could matter just a bit...but I do not see it mattering all that much. Jones should have a good day and between that and the defense Chicago should win this win without too much of a problem.

[DrJ 0]

That worked just great!   can't ya feel the ?

hey, i'm trying

 

it takes two willing parties, not just one.

That's because it's convenient for you to want to back away from all the trash you were talking. With you, everything is about convenience. Past stats when they're convenient, present personnel if it's convenient, games from this season if they're convenient - like how 2 weeks into the season you wanted to write off the Bears ass whipping because it was just 1 game, but at the same time were shoving a single game down Packers fans throats.

 

If the Lions were 5-1, you'd still be content being swamp ######. Since they suck ass, of course you want to "play nice" and have everyone forget about all the BS you littered this board with. It's all very convenient.

[Guest matuski]

So anyways....

 

The Lions will win 24-10!

[Walter34 3]

So anyways....

 

The Lions will win 24-10!

Based on?

[Sho Nuff 720]

So anyways....

 

The Lions will win 24-10!

I do not see them scoring 24 on that defense...(unless the Lions Defense scores).

[swamp dog 0]

This may be a futile effort, but can we bring this thread back to a discussion on football?

 

Outside of wishful thinking, I havent heard a single analytical point that speaks to what has improved with Det and regressed with Chi since the week 2 ass kicking.

 

Why exactly does Det have the advantage in this game? I would really like to hear the basis of this argument.

 

Since week 2:

 

* Many major injuries or missing players on Det's side including Charles and Shaun Rogers, Roy Williams, Kevin Johnson, Dre Bly and even Mike Williams.

* A qb meltdown of epic proportions and a change to the backup who now all of a sudden is so much better

* Internal bickering and a coach that seems to lack control over his players

* An oline that was completely dominated in week 2 that hasnt shown any noticable improvements and could be without LT Backus.

 

On the Bears side, you have seen

 

* a D that has improved each week. One bad game against Cinci. Det's O has been dismal and there is no reason to think they will break through the Bears D based on each's performance this year

* A rookie qb that had 1 very bad game, but has since managed games effectively. He doesnt win them persay, but has not lossed either playing within himself and relying on the run and calling a sound gameplan.

* TJ emerging as the season wears on as one of the best backs going. With Rodgers gimpy, Det's run D takes a big hit

 

Pluses for Det are a home game and a mobile journeyman qb replacement. Is that really emough to close the gap?

 

Save the trash and the wishful homer perspective. I'd love to hear some real and reasonable reasons why Det will win.

 

I'd be happy to take swamp up on a sigbet, but the reality is that I hardly post here these days as I'm on the road the next couple of weeks. Not sure it would be fair considering I might post 10 times over vthe next couple of weeks.

walt:

 

you have a lot of stuff here, but some of it's slanted.

 

--a qb meltdown of "epic proportions"? i'm not defending harrington, but he's out now and garcia is the qb and garcia has shown a spark. aside from that, the lions qb stats have been about on par with chi's (rookie, vet, it doesn't matter: the bottom line matters).

 

--backus will play. he played last week. he injured the ankle two weeks ago. he didn't hurt it any worse last week or suffered any setback this week. but he's still listed that way on the injury report.

 

--the bears defense has improved each week? technically that's false. they followed up week 2 by getting sliced and diced by palmer and then let trent dilfer look like palmer the following the week. they looked good at home against the ravens in the rain--but then again the lions defense looked good at home against the ravens. everyone has looked good against the ravens.

 

--until the bears prove they can win on the road and not have any inexplicable meltdowns on the road, they should be viewed skeptically in any road game. throw into the mix the fact this is in detroit, the lions have had it circled on their calendars since week 2, and there are valid reasons the bears at 3.5 point underdogs.

 

oh, and schlesinger's back.

 

i suppose that's a lions "slant." but if so it's no different than what you're doing. guess we'll see what sunday brings. cheers.

[sharkie22 0]

Is Ditka playing?

[swamp dog 0]

not playing your bitter games anymore, sho. we've moved on from them. i just don't understand your venom and bitterness. i would speculate it has something to do with the packers demise, but you were this same petty, bitter person last summer when you were still predicting the packers were nfcn champs until proven otherwise.

 

so i guess i'm stumped where the bitterness comes from. it's just an ff board, so you're not obligated to share or spill your guts about it. but some of us do wonder.

 

cheers.

What venom? Pointing out your ignorant, delusional, hypocrital nature is not venom...it is fact.

 

Bitterness? I have none.

 

Keep wondering...you can keep denying that what has been said here, but once again you have been exposed...yet you whine about it, now deny it, and try to play the good guy. It is really quite sad.

yikes. still got the temples throbbing there i see (read your first line). i sincerely hope you don't have blood pressure problems or health problems that could be triggered by anger.

 

let it all go, dude. breath deep....exhale. repeat.

 

cheers.

[swamp dog 0]

The Lions suck and I am a big flaming poosay!

and yet another exhibit

 

i won't go there with ya, drj. but if you want to have some good-natured fun i'll tell you the same thing i've told don: my bet offer stands until game time sunday.

 

cheers.

Poor poor swamp puppy crying foul, too classic.

i'll take that as a "no" from you. well, i tried.

I don't feel that it's necessary to make peace with you. You're a huge jerkoff that has brought every bit of this on yourself. Now that you have your reputation, and of course the odds are stacked against you, you want to back down and have some "good spirited fun". And I'm just not buying it, nor is anyone else it seems.

 

6 months you focking poosay.

it's a message board. calm down, francis. other than that, i could care less whether you want to "make up" or not. sit and stew with sho. i'm not going there with you anymore.

 

cheers.

[Sho Nuff 720]

not playing your bitter games anymore, sho. we've moved on from them. i just don't understand your venom and bitterness. i would speculate it has something to do with the packers demise, but you were this same petty, bitter person last summer when you were still predicting the packers were nfcn champs until proven otherwise.

 

so i guess i'm stumped where the bitterness comes from. it's just an ff board, so you're not obligated to share or spill your guts about it. but some of us do wonder.

 

cheers.

What venom? Pointing out your ignorant, delusional, hypocrital nature is not venom...it is fact.

 

Bitterness? I have none.

 

Keep wondering...you can keep denying that what has been said here, but once again you have been exposed...yet you whine about it, now deny it, and try to play the good guy. It is really quite sad.

yikes. still got the temples throbbing there i see (read your first line). i sincerely hope you don't have blood pressure problems or health problems that could be triggered by anger.

 

let it all go, dude. breath deep....exhale. repeat.

 

cheers.

More of your delusion if you think anything you say on this board gets me the least bit upset.

[OGAR 0]

This may be a futile effort, but can we bring this thread back to a discussion on football?

 

Outside of wishful thinking, I havent heard a single analytical point that speaks to what has improved with Det and regressed with Chi since the week 2 ass kicking.

 

Why exactly does Det have the advantage in this game? I would really like to hear the basis of this argument.

 

Since week 2:

 

* Many major injuries or missing players on Det's side including Charles and Shaun Rogers, Roy Williams, Kevin Johnson, Dre Bly and even Mike Williams.

* A qb meltdown of epic proportions and a change to the backup who now all of a sudden is so much better 

* Internal bickering and a coach that seems to lack control over his players

* An oline that was completely dominated in week 2 that hasnt shown any noticable improvements and could be without LT Backus.

 

On the Bears side, you have seen

 

* a D that has improved each week. One bad game against Cinci. Det's O has been dismal and there is no reason to think they will break through the Bears D based on each's performance this year

* A rookie qb that had 1 very bad game, but has since managed games effectively. He doesnt win them persay, but has not lossed either playing within himself and relying on the run and calling a sound gameplan.

* TJ emerging as the season wears on as one of the best backs going. With Rodgers gimpy, Det's run D takes a big hit

 

Pluses for Det are a home game and a mobile journeyman qb replacement. Is that really emough to close the gap?

 

Save the trash and the wishful homer perspective. I'd love to hear some real and reasonable reasons why Det will win.

 

I'd be happy to take swamp up on a sigbet, but the reality is that I hardly post here these days as I'm on the road the next couple of weeks. Not sure it would be fair considering I might post 10 times over vthe next couple of weeks.

walt:

 

you have a lot of stuff here, but some of it's slanted.

 

--a qb meltdown of "epic proportions"? i'm not defending harrington, but he's out now and garcia is the qb and garcia has shown a spark. aside from that, the lions qb stats have been about on par with chi's (rookie, vet, it doesn't matter: the bottom line matters).

 

--backus will play. he played last week. he injured the ankle two weeks ago. he didn't hurt it any worse last week or suffered any setback this week. but he's still listed that way on the injury report.

 

--the bears defense has improved each week? technically that's false. they followed up week 2 by getting sliced and diced by palmer and then let trent dilfer look like palmer the following the week. they looked good at home against the ravens in the rain--but then again the lions defense looked good at home against the ravens. everyone has looked good against the ravens.

 

--until the bears prove they can win on the road and not have any inexplicable meltdowns on the road, they should be viewed skeptically in any road game. throw into the mix the fact this is in detroit, the lions have had it circled on their calendars since week 2, and there are valid reasons the bears at 3.5 point underdogs.

 

oh, and schlesinger's back.

 

i suppose that's a lions "slant." but if so it's no different than what you're doing. guess we'll see what sunday brings. cheers.

Its all about the trenches. The lions best players in the trenches, won't be playing. Their best coer guy won't be playing.

 

Garcia will do better than harrington but not much.

 

The Bears won't score 38 but there is no way in hel! the Lions score 24.

 

Bears 20 lions 10.

[swamp dog 0]

So anyways....

 

The Lions will win 24-10!

I do not see them scoring 24 on that defense...(unless the Lions Defense scores).

fair enough.

 

see? we can all voice our opinions

[Sho Nuff 720]

The Lions suck and I am a big flaming poosay!

and yet another exhibit

 

i won't go there with ya, drj. but if you want to have some good-natured fun i'll tell you the same thing i've told don: my bet offer stands until game time sunday.

 

cheers.

Poor poor swamp puppy crying foul, too classic.

i'll take that as a "no" from you. well, i tried.

I don't feel that it's necessary to make peace with you. You're a huge jerkoff that has brought every bit of this on yourself. Now that you have your reputation, and of course the odds are stacked against you, you want to back down and have some "good spirited fun". And I'm just not buying it, nor is anyone else it seems.

 

6 months you focking poosay.

it's a message board. calm down, francis. other than that, i could care less whether you want to "make up" or not. sit and stew with sho. i'm not going there with you anymore.

 

cheers.

RUN AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sho Nuff 720]

So anyways....

 

The Lions will win 24-10!

I do not see them scoring 24 on that defense...(unless the Lions Defense scores).

fair enough.

 

see? we can all voice our opinions

Yup...and you are just fine when you are not whining, inconsistently using stats when you see fit but bemoaning others when they do the same...

[Churchill610 0]

Ummmm.....how the HELL can this topic possibly go on for 5 pages???

[Walter34 3]

This may be a futile effort, but can we bring this thread back to a discussion on football?

 

Outside of wishful thinking, I havent heard a single analytical point that speaks to what has improved with Det and regressed with Chi since the week 2 ass kicking.

 

Why exactly does Det have the advantage in this game? I would really like to hear the basis of this argument.

 

Since week 2:

 

* Many major injuries or missing players on Det's side including Charles and Shaun Rogers, Roy Williams, Kevin Johnson, Dre Bly and even Mike Williams.

* A qb meltdown of epic proportions and a change to the backup who now all of a sudden is so much better 

* Internal bickering and a coach that seems to lack control over his players

* An oline that was completely dominated in week 2 that hasnt shown any noticable improvements and could be without LT Backus.

 

On the Bears side, you have seen

 

* a D that has improved each week. One bad game against Cinci. Det's O has been dismal and there is no reason to think they will break through the Bears D based on each's performance this year

* A rookie qb that had 1 very bad game, but has since managed games effectively. He doesnt win them persay, but has not lossed either playing within himself and relying on the run and calling a sound gameplan.

* TJ emerging as the season wears on as one of the best backs going. With Rodgers gimpy, Det's run D takes a big hit

 

Pluses for Det are a home game and a mobile journeyman qb replacement. Is that really emough to close the gap?

 

Save the trash and the wishful homer perspective. I'd love to hear some real and reasonable reasons why Det will win.

 

I'd be happy to take swamp up on a sigbet, but the reality is that I hardly post here these days as I'm on the road the next couple of weeks. Not sure it would be fair considering I might post 10 times over vthe next couple of weeks.

walt:

 

you have a lot of stuff here, but some of it's slanted.

 

--a qb meltdown of "epic proportions"? i'm not defending harrington, but he's out now and garcia is the qb and garcia has shown a spark. aside from that, the lions qb stats have been about on par with chi's (rookie, vet, it doesn't matter: the bottom line matters).

 

--backus will play. he played last week. he injured the ankle two weeks ago. he didn't hurt it any worse last week or suffered any setback this week. but he's still listed that way on the injury report.

 

--the bears defense has improved each week? technically that's false. they followed up week 2 by getting sliced and diced by palmer and then let trent dilfer look like palmer the following the week. they looked good at home against the ravens in the rain--but then again the lions defense looked good at home against the ravens. everyone has looked good against the ravens.

 

--until the bears prove they can win on the road and not have any inexplicable meltdowns on the road, they should be viewed skeptically in any road game. throw into the mix the fact this is in detroit, the lions have had it circled on their calendars since week 2, and there are valid reasons the bears at 3.5 point underdogs.

 

oh, and schlesinger's back.

 

i suppose that's a lions "slant." but if so it's no different than what you're doing. guess we'll see what sunday brings. cheers.

Bears havent given up a TD in over 2 games. They destroyed Minn and beat Balt with D and a run game. I dont see that changing this week. The Lions are weaker on the lines and that is the key that slants heavily in Chi's favour.

 

Circling a game means what? They werent up for the previous one, but now they are?

 

When schlesinger was out, you were talking up whoever it was that replaced him. Now schles is such an upgrade?

 

The Bears are definately not looking past anyone because their games are close and they know they need to play smart. They will be just as motivated for this game.

 

Both road games were close losses. They should have beat the deadskins, but lost it on the late series. They should have beaten Cleveland, but again, had some late breakdowns. I dont think two games that were decided in the final minutes are enough of a trend to draw the conclusion that you do. Last years team is completely irrelevant - different personel and circumstances.

 

We can both spin minor points in each direction, but I think that Chi beating Det so handily is a larger factor as is the dominance in the trenches combined with Det's injury issues.

 

You can hope that they will win and they may, but there is no data or logic to support that prediction.

[swamp dog 0]

This may be a futile effort, but can we bring this thread back to a discussion on football?

 

Outside of wishful thinking, I havent heard a single analytical point that speaks to what has improved with Det and regressed with Chi since the week 2 ass kicking.

 

Why exactly does Det have the advantage in this game? I would really like to hear the basis of this argument.

 

Since week 2:

 

* Many major injuries or missing players on Det's side including Charles and Shaun Rogers, Roy Williams, Kevin Johnson, Dre Bly and even Mike Williams.

* A qb meltdown of epic proportions and a change to the backup who now all of a sudden is so much better 

* Internal bickering and a coach that seems to lack control over his players

* An oline that was completely dominated in week 2 that hasnt shown any noticable improvements and could be without LT Backus.

 

On the Bears side, you have seen

 

* a D that has improved each week. One bad game against Cinci. Det's O has been dismal and there is no reason to think they will break through the Bears D based on each's performance this year

* A rookie qb that had 1 very bad game, but has since managed games effectively. He doesnt win them persay, but has not lossed either playing within himself and relying on the run and calling a sound gameplan.

* TJ emerging as the season wears on as one of the best backs going. With Rodgers gimpy, Det's run D takes a big hit

 

Pluses for Det are a home game and a mobile journeyman qb replacement. Is that really emough to close the gap?

 

Save the trash and the wishful homer perspective. I'd love to hear some real and reasonable reasons why Det will win.

 

I'd be happy to take swamp up on a sigbet, but the reality is that I hardly post here these days as I'm on the road the next couple of weeks. Not sure it would be fair considering I might post 10 times over vthe next couple of weeks.

walt:

 

you have a lot of stuff here, but some of it's slanted.

 

--a qb meltdown of "epic proportions"? i'm not defending harrington, but he's out now and garcia is the qb and garcia has shown a spark. aside from that, the lions qb stats have been about on par with chi's (rookie, vet, it doesn't matter: the bottom line matters).

 

--backus will play. he played last week. he injured the ankle two weeks ago. he didn't hurt it any worse last week or suffered any setback this week. but he's still listed that way on the injury report.

 

--the bears defense has improved each week? technically that's false. they followed up week 2 by getting sliced and diced by palmer and then let trent dilfer look like palmer the following the week. they looked good at home against the ravens in the rain--but then again the lions defense looked good at home against the ravens. everyone has looked good against the ravens.

 

--until the bears prove they can win on the road and not have any inexplicable meltdowns on the road, they should be viewed skeptically in any road game. throw into the mix the fact this is in detroit, the lions have had it circled on their calendars since week 2, and there are valid reasons the bears at 3.5 point underdogs.

 

oh, and schlesinger's back.

 

i suppose that's a lions "slant." but if so it's no different than what you're doing. guess we'll see what sunday brings. cheers.

Its all about the trenches. The lions best players in the trenches, won't be playing. Their best coer guy won't be playing.

 

Garcia will do better than harrington but not much.

 

The Bears won't score 38 but there is no way in hel! the Lions score 24.

 

Bears 20 lions 10.

who is out for the lions in the trenches? backus is playing. shaun rogers is a game-time decision. bly is out and it looks like roy is out...but as for the trenches...?

 

the lions overall d-line rotation is still capable and deep without shaun rogers (and i'm not suggesting shaun wouldn't be missed). for all the hype ware in dallas gets with his "4 sacks in 4 games" cody has 3 sacks in the past 2 games and has been really coming on. hall is back. kalimba's "back". the lions have one of the deepest "capable and good" d-line rotations in the league.

 

more importantly, the lions defense has played great at home against (for the most part) much better offenses than what chi brings to the table. are there injuries? yes. but there are no excuses. the backups are very capable. kirwan was onto something about the lions when he had them as one of the top-8 teams in the league as far as overall depth last summer. well, the depth is now coming in handy.

 

my two cents.

[Sportslitter 0]

Ummmm.....how the HELL can this topic possibly go on for 5 pages???

I have no Idea. I was just making a funny topic. never thought it would go on this long. I guess this bears vs lions rivalry is pretty intense.

[swamp dog 0]

walt:

 

there is no data to support what ANY of us say about this week's game because it's in the future and hasn't been played yet. so why even have a thread about it?

 

and come on: no woulda, coulda, shoulda on the road game losses, okay? i know you better than that and you're not one to make excuses...so don't go there. hell, we can all play that game--and no team's fans more so than the lions. the fact remains the bears are 3-1 at home and 0-2 on the road. the lions are 2-1 at home and 1-2 on the road. and both these team's DATA strongly show that both are suspect road teams, walt! how can you disagree with that? home field is a HUGE factor in a game like this.

 

and i thought you knew your bears better than that: urlacher by his own admission 'hates' playing against schlesinger. schles has a history of knocking him flat on his azz.

[Walter34 3]

This may be a futile effort, but can we bring this thread back to a discussion on football?

 

Outside of wishful thinking, I havent heard a single analytical point that speaks to what has improved with Det and regressed with Chi since the week 2 ass kicking.

 

Why exactly does Det have the advantage in this game? I would really like to hear the basis of this argument.

 

Since week 2:

 

* Many major injuries or missing players on Det's side including Charles and Shaun Rogers, Roy Williams, Kevin Johnson, Dre Bly and even Mike Williams.

* A qb meltdown of epic proportions and a change to the backup who now all of a sudden is so much better 

* Internal bickering and a coach that seems to lack control over his players

* An oline that was completely dominated in week 2 that hasnt shown any noticable improvements and could be without LT Backus.

 

On the Bears side, you have seen

 

* a D that has improved each week. One bad game against Cinci. Det's O has been dismal and there is no reason to think they will break through the Bears D based on each's performance this year

* A rookie qb that had 1 very bad game, but has since managed games effectively. He doesnt win them persay, but has not lossed either playing within himself and relying on the run and calling a sound gameplan.

* TJ emerging as the season wears on as one of the best backs going. With Rodgers gimpy, Det's run D takes a big hit

 

Pluses for Det are a home game and a mobile journeyman qb replacement. Is that really emough to close the gap?

 

Save the trash and the wishful homer perspective. I'd love to hear some real and reasonable reasons why Det will win.

 

I'd be happy to take swamp up on a sigbet, but the reality is that I hardly post here these days as I'm on the road the next couple of weeks. Not sure it would be fair considering I might post 10 times over vthe next couple of weeks.

walt:

 

you have a lot of stuff here, but some of it's slanted.

 

--a qb meltdown of "epic proportions"? i'm not defending harrington, but he's out now and garcia is the qb and garcia has shown a spark. aside from that, the lions qb stats have been about on par with chi's (rookie, vet, it doesn't matter: the bottom line matters).

 

--backus will play. he played last week. he injured the ankle two weeks ago. he didn't hurt it any worse last week or suffered any setback this week. but he's still listed that way on the injury report.

 

--the bears defense has improved each week? technically that's false. they followed up week 2 by getting sliced and diced by palmer and then let trent dilfer look like palmer the following the week. they looked good at home against the ravens in the rain--but then again the lions defense looked good at home against the ravens. everyone has looked good against the ravens.

 

--until the bears prove they can win on the road and not have any inexplicable meltdowns on the road, they should be viewed skeptically in any road game. throw into the mix the fact this is in detroit, the lions have had it circled on their calendars since week 2, and there are valid reasons the bears at 3.5 point underdogs.

 

oh, and schlesinger's back.

 

i suppose that's a lions "slant." but if so it's no different than what you're doing. guess we'll see what sunday brings. cheers.

Its all about the trenches. The lions best players in the trenches, won't be playing. Their best coer guy won't be playing.

 

Garcia will do better than harrington but not much.

 

The Bears won't score 38 but there is no way in hel! the Lions score 24.

 

Bears 20 lions 10.

who is out for the lions in the trenches? backus is playing. shaun rogers is a game-time decision. bly is out and it looks like roy is out...but as for the trenches...?

 

the lions overall d-line rotation is still capable and deep without shaun rogers (and i'm not suggesting shaun wouldn't be missed). for all the hype ware in dallas gets with his "4 sacks in 4 games" cody has 3 sacks in the past 2 games and has been really coming on. hall is back. kalimba's "back". the lions have one of the deepest "capable and good" d-line rotations in the league.

 

more importantly, the lions defense has played great at home against (for the most part) much better offenses than what chi brings to the table. are there injuries? yes. but there are no excuses. the backups are very capable. kirwan was onto something about the lions when he had them as one of the top-8 teams in the league as far as overall depth last summer. well, the depth is now coming in handy.

 

my two cents.

I was assuming Rodgers will not play. He commands a double team and that frees up Wilkinson to make plays. With him out, it has a ripple effect on the rest of the line.

 

If he does play, will it be at full strength? Dont know, we'll see. That is a pretty big loss if he is out however. Just as we would miss Urlacher, Rodgers is an impact guy that would be missed.

[Walter34 3]

walt:

 

there is no data to support what ANY of us say about this week's game because it's in the future and hasn't been played yet. so why even have a thread about it?

 

and come on: no woulda, coulda, shoulda on the road game losses, okay? i know you better than that and you're not one to make excuses...so don't go there. hell, we can all play that game--and no team's fans more so than the lions. the fact remains the bears are 3-1 at home and 0-2 on the road. the lions are 2-1 at home and 1-2 on the road. and both these team's DATA strongly show that both are suspect road teams, walt! how can you disagree with that? home field is a HUGE factor in a game like this.

 

and i thought you knew your bears better than that: urlacher by his own admission 'hates' playing against schlesinger. schles has a history of knocking him flat on his azz.

Its not excuses. They lost plain and simple. The point was that they were very close games and decided in the final minutes. Despite the record, I dont see a big difference between home and away based on the quality of play.

[Walter34 3]

Good game analysis except for the gaffe where ESPN doesnt seem to know who the Bears O-coordinator is.

 

This is from ESPN...

insider.espn.go.com/nfl/s...=251030008

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Why To Watch
Detroit head coach Steve Mariucci made it clear that Jeff Garcia is the starting quarterback, after Garcia led the Lions to a victory over Cleveland last week. However, Mariucci may not feel as strongly about his quarterback situation following this game.

Garcia faces a Chicago defense that hasn't surrendered a touchdown in either of its last two games and held Detroit to just six points the first time these two teams played. While QB Joey Harrington is clearly struggling, the Lions also need their running game and pass protection to show significant improvement. That will prove difficult going up a against a very strong Chicago defense.

The Bears' gameplan may not be pretty, but it's been effective and don't expect the team to fix what's not broken. Chicago will come out running the ball with RB Thomas Jones, in an effort to take pressure of QB Kyle Orton and keep the talented defense well rested. It will up to the Lions to force them out of that gameplan, so Jones can expect to see plenty of eight-man fronts once again.


When the Bears have the ball
Rushing: Jones rushed for 139 yards and two touchdowns on 20 carries the first time these two teams met. The scary thing is he could be even more productive this time around because LDT Shaun Rogers injured the medial collateral ligament in his right knee last week. It's unknown if Rogers will be able to play this week or how the injury will affect him if he can play. What is clear is Detroit isn't the same defense when Rogers isn't on the field.

While backup Shaun Cody has good initial quickness and tackles well, he isn't nearly as strong or big as Rogers. He has problems holding his ground when he doesn't win with his first step and Chicago's interior offensive line is doing an excellent job of preventing penetration. In addition, RDT Dan Wilkinson is inconsistent and needs a playmaker who can draw attention away from him to be truly effective. Without a healthy Rogers drawing blockers away from him, Wilkinson will see more double teams and that means he'll be less effective.

In the event that Rogers can't go, or isn't as effective because of the injury, one of the biggest keys to slowing down Jones will be not overcompensating. Jones runs with good power, making him an effective between-the-tackles runner, but he has the lateral mobility to bounce runs outside after starting inside as well and has been very patient this year. If he sees Detroit's perimeter defenders start collapsing inside in an effort shore up the interior run defense, he can take the run outside and is a threat to break the long run once in space.

Passing: Orton's accuracy has been inconsistent and he certainly hasn't shown he can shoulder the load without an effective running game taking pressure off him, but he is developing into an excellent game manager. He can be very accurate when he has time to set his feet and, more importantly, he is doing a good job of protecting the football.

It will be his ability to continue to make sound decisions with the ball, working against a Lions' pass defense that leads the NFC in interceptions with 13, that may determine the outcome of this game. The Bears don't want to take any pressure off a Detroit offense that is still trying to establish an identity by giving the Lions quality field position or points. Orton must take what the defense gives him, and be wiling to throw the ball away or take the sack when nothing is available consequently.

That said there are three reasons to believe Orton won't lose this game for Chicago. The first is DC Dre' Bly dislocated his wrist last week and won't play. Bly leads the team in interceptions and his absence will weaken depth, creating more favorable matchups for Orton to exploit. The second reason is offensive coordinator Ted Tollner is doing a good job of play calling.

Tollner is calling a lot of three-step drop that allow Orton to get through his reads quickly and dump the ball off to a tight end or a back in the flat when there is nothing available downfield. Tollner is also calling pass plays on first and second downs, which will keep the Lions' front seven off balance. The third reason is Orton's confidence. He has already faced Detroit once and Chicago won that game, so he should be as comfortable heading into this game as he has been at any other point this year.

When the Lions have the ball
Rushing: NT Ian Scott doesn't have prototypical bulk or lower body strength, but he makes up for it with strong hands and explosiveness. His ability to shed blocks and get into gaps quickly makes preventing penetration critical when facing the Bears. However, that's far easier said than done and the biggest reason is MLB Brain Urlacher. The best way for the Lions' interior offensive line to neutralize Scott is having OC Dominic Raiola help the guard stop Scott's momentum.

They can then combo block up to the second level with Urlacher's flow dictating which blocker slides off the initial block to pick him up. The only problem is Urlacher has the instincts and quickness to meet RB Kevin Jones in the hole by the time either Raiola or the guard slides off the initial block. Urlacher has the range and closing speed to beat Detroit's interior offensive linemen to the point of attack when Jones runs off tackle.

It's also important to note that defensive coordinator Ron Rivera will put even more pressure on the Lions' offensive linemen by running some line stunts and blitzes on downs with run-heavy tendencies. Defenders aren't making as many mistakes when it comes to gap responsibilities in Rivera's second-year with the team and that allows him to be more aggressive. Running line stunts and blitzes in these situations should keep Detroit's offensive line off balance, effectively making it less aggressive.

Passing: A Lions' passing attack that ranks near the bottom off the league after such high expectations during the offseason clearly needed a change and Garcia offers a breath of fresh air. However, there are two reasons to believe that inserting him into the lineup won't fix Detroit's woes here.

The first and biggest reason is a thinned receiving corps. Kevin Johnson will miss the rest of the year after rupturing his Achilles tendon last week and Charles Rogers is still serving a four-game suspension for violating the league's substance abuse policy. While they are both expected to play, Mike Williams is dealing with a tight hamstring, as well as a sore back, and Roy Williams has missed the past two games with a quadriceps injury.

The second reason is the play of the offensive line, which has been inconsistent at best and struggled against Chicago earlier this year. Garcia does a better job of buying time in the pocket, but he has the bad habit of trying to make too much happen when he gets into trouble and his free lancing results in the occasional turnover. The Bears should have some success getting to him and they have plenty of playmakers in their back seven so it's critical that Garcia resist his creative urges and not put the ball up for grabs.

The two advantages the Lions clearly have here are Garcia's mobility and the size of their receivers. Garcia is a much bigger threat to run than Harrington, and his ability to create with his feet forces defenders to decide between defending the run or the pass when he moves out of the pocket.

While DC Charles Tillman has good size for a corner, he isn't tall enough to regularly compete for jump balls or strong enough to muscle receivers out of their routes working against Detroit's big receivers. Working against the NFC's best scoring defense in Chicago, it's important the Lions take advantage of these strengths by throwing once they get inside the red zone. If Garcia doesn't feel comfortable lofting the ball up to a receiver, he can tuck the ball and look to get in the end zone.

[DrJ 0]

i'm not going there with you anymore.

Of course you're not, because the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are and you've been beaten to a bloody pulp. You've got nothing left.

[swamp dog 0]

walt:

 

there is no data to support what ANY of us say about this week's game because it's in the future and hasn't been played yet. so why even have a thread about it?

 

and come on: no woulda, coulda, shoulda on the road game losses, okay? i know you better than that and you're not one to make excuses...so don't go there. hell, we can all play that game--and no team's fans more so than the lions. the fact remains the bears are 3-1 at home and 0-2 on the road. the lions are 2-1 at home and 1-2 on the road. and both these team's DATA strongly show that both are suspect road teams, walt! how can you disagree with that? home field is a HUGE factor in a game like this.

 

and i thought you knew your bears better than that: urlacher by his own admission 'hates' playing against schlesinger. schles has a history of knocking him flat on his azz.

Its not excuses. They lost plain and simple. The point was that they were very close games and decided in the final minutes. Despite the record, I dont see a big difference between home and away based on the quality of play.

walt:

 

what were portis' stats in week 1? dilfer's in week 5?

 

there is a difference in not only the stats of the bears play on the road--but, as pointed out, a marked difference in record. hey, the lions have their own road woes. i'm not suggesting otherwise! but the data clearly shows that both of these teams are much different teams on the road than at home.

 

it's a bigger factor than you're giving it credit for being.

[Mental 0]

5 pages of this? None of you should ever complain about this site crashing again.

[swamp dog 0]

i'm not going there with you anymore.

Of course you're not, because the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are and you've been beaten to a bloody pulp. You've got nothing left.

 

cheers to you. sorry i couldn't get you to participate here in a fun way this weekend.

 

i guess now we've got the definitive word from you that the bears are world beaters and the lions are the dregs of the earth, we can end this thread, eh?

 

if only you had set us all so straight in the beginning.

[DrJ 0]

i'm not going there with you anymore.

Of course you're not, because the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are and you've been beaten to a bloody pulp. You've got nothing left.

 

cheers to you. sorry i couldn't get you to participate here in a fun way this weekend.

 

i guess now we've got the definitive word from you that the bears are world beaters and the lions are the dregs of the earth, we can end this thread, eh?

 

if only you had set us all so straight in the beginning.

As usual, sorry little swamp puppy putting words into people mouths. What I said was simple, the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are. The word Bear did not appear anywhere in the statement. And you expect people to believe you can be anything other than a douche...

[swamp dog 0]

i'm not going there with you anymore.

Of course you're not, because the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are and you've been beaten to a bloody pulp. You've got nothing left.

 

cheers to you. sorry i couldn't get you to participate here in a fun way this weekend.

 

i guess now we've got the definitive word from you that the bears are world beaters and the lions are the dregs of the earth, we can end this thread, eh?

 

if only you had set us all so straight in the beginning.

As usual, sorry little swamp puppy putting words into people mouths. What I said was simple, the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are. The word Bear did not appear anywhere in the statement. And you expect people to believe you can be anything other than a douche...

clarify: the lions, like the bears, are 3-3 and tied for first. if the lions smell like dung be advised the bears reside in the same outhouse.

 

so if the bear's bunkmate is a fraud...what does that make the bears? and please feel free to completely ignore me. you, and sho, like to respond to every single post i make and call me douche and say no one listens to me...well, then stop listening to me! sometime this year, please!

 

why do i care if no one at fantasy football message board listens to me?

[Walter34 3]

i'm not going there with you anymore.

Of course you're not, because the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are and you've been beaten to a bloody pulp. You've got nothing left.

 

cheers to you. sorry i couldn't get you to participate here in a fun way this weekend.

 

i guess now we've got the definitive word from you that the bears are world beaters and the lions are the dregs of the earth, we can end this thread, eh?

 

if only you had set us all so straight in the beginning.

As usual, sorry little swamp puppy putting words into people mouths. What I said was simple, the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are. The word Bear did not appear anywhere in the statement. And you expect people to believe you can be anything other than a douche...

clarify: the lions, like the bears, are 3-3 and tied for first. if the lions smell like dung be advised the bears reside in the same outhouse.

 

so if the bear's bunkmate is a fraud...what does that make the bears? and please feel free to completely ignore me. you, and sho, like to respond to every single post i make and call me douche and say no one listens to me...well, then stop listening to me! sometime this year, please!

 

why do i care if no one at fantasy football message board listens to me?

Bears have the tiebreaker. They are not tied.

 

Point of order.

[DrJ 0]

i'm not going there with you anymore.

Of course you're not, because the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are and you've been beaten to a bloody pulp. You've got nothing left.

 

cheers to you. sorry i couldn't get you to participate here in a fun way this weekend.

 

i guess now we've got the definitive word from you that the bears are world beaters and the lions are the dregs of the earth, we can end this thread, eh?

 

if only you had set us all so straight in the beginning.

As usual, sorry little swamp puppy putting words into people mouths. What I said was simple, the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are. The word Bear did not appear anywhere in the statement. And you expect people to believe you can be anything other than a douche...

clarify: the lions, like the bears, are 3-3 and tied for first. if the lions smell like dung be advised the bears reside in the same outhouse.

 

so if the bear's bunkmate is a fraud...what does that make the bears? and please feel free to completely ignore me. you, and sho, like to respond to every single post i make and call me douche and say no one listens to me...well, then stop listening to me! sometime this year, please!

 

why do i care if no one at fantasy football message board listens to me?

You were the one that predicted great things for the Lions. You littered the board with these crappy predictions all offseason. Since the Lions were supposed to be oh so powerful, the fact that they suck indicates that they were frauds.

 

Bears fans didn't litter the board all offseason and didn't predict this team to be some powerhouse. It's impossible to be a fraud when no one was expecting them to be great.

 

HTH, but I suspect your feeble little mind won't comprehend any of this. It never does.

[swamp dog 0]

i'm not going there with you anymore.

Of course you're not, because the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are and you've been beaten to a bloody pulp. You've got nothing left.

 

cheers to you. sorry i couldn't get you to participate here in a fun way this weekend.

 

i guess now we've got the definitive word from you that the bears are world beaters and the lions are the dregs of the earth, we can end this thread, eh?

 

if only you had set us all so straight in the beginning.

As usual, sorry little swamp puppy putting words into people mouths. What I said was simple, the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are. The word Bear did not appear anywhere in the statement. And you expect people to believe you can be anything other than a douche...

clarify: the lions, like the bears, are 3-3 and tied for first. if the lions smell like dung be advised the bears reside in the same outhouse.

 

so if the bear's bunkmate is a fraud...what does that make the bears? and please feel free to completely ignore me. you, and sho, like to respond to every single post i make and call me douche and say no one listens to me...well, then stop listening to me! sometime this year, please!

 

why do i care if no one at fantasy football message board listens to me?

Bears have the tiebreaker. They are not tied.

 

Point of order.

um, they are still in the same room as the lions. they haven't vaulted up to some first-class section of the nfcn far above and away from the lions or anyone. but yes they do own the tiebreaker after 33 percent of the season.

[DrJ 0]

i'm not going there with you anymore.

Of course you're not, because the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are and you've been beaten to a bloody pulp. You've got nothing left.

 

cheers to you. sorry i couldn't get you to participate here in a fun way this weekend.

 

i guess now we've got the definitive word from you that the bears are world beaters and the lions are the dregs of the earth, we can end this thread, eh?

 

if only you had set us all so straight in the beginning.

As usual, sorry little swamp puppy putting words into people mouths. What I said was simple, the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are. The word Bear did not appear anywhere in the statement. And you expect people to believe you can be anything other than a douche...

clarify: the lions, like the bears, are 3-3 and tied for first. if the lions smell like dung be advised the bears reside in the same outhouse.

 

so if the bear's bunkmate is a fraud...what does that make the bears? and please feel free to completely ignore me. you, and sho, like to respond to every single post i make and call me douche and say no one listens to me...well, then stop listening to me! sometime this year, please!

 

why do i care if no one at fantasy football message board listens to me?

And PS - Just because everyone has stopped listening to you doesn't mean they are going to stop making fun of you. You're just going to have to wallow in this pile of sh!t that you've created.

[DrJ 0]

i'm not going there with you anymore.

Of course you're not, because the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are and you've been beaten to a bloody pulp. You've got nothing left.

 

cheers to you. sorry i couldn't get you to participate here in a fun way this weekend.

 

i guess now we've got the definitive word from you that the bears are world beaters and the lions are the dregs of the earth, we can end this thread, eh?

 

if only you had set us all so straight in the beginning.

As usual, sorry little swamp puppy putting words into people mouths. What I said was simple, the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are. The word Bear did not appear anywhere in the statement. And you expect people to believe you can be anything other than a douche...

clarify: the lions, like the bears, are 3-3 and tied for first. if the lions smell like dung be advised the bears reside in the same outhouse.

 

so if the bear's bunkmate is a fraud...what does that make the bears? and please feel free to completely ignore me. you, and sho, like to respond to every single post i make and call me douche and say no one listens to me...well, then stop listening to me! sometime this year, please!

 

why do i care if no one at fantasy football message board listens to me?

Bears have the tiebreaker. They are not tied.

 

Point of order.

um, they are still in the same room as the lions.

38-6, end of story. Until the Lions prove otherwise, they aren't even in the same zip code as the Bears.

[swamp dog 0]

i'm not going there with you anymore.

Of course you're not, because the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are and you've been beaten to a bloody pulp. You've got nothing left.

 

cheers to you. sorry i couldn't get you to participate here in a fun way this weekend.

 

i guess now we've got the definitive word from you that the bears are world beaters and the lions are the dregs of the earth, we can end this thread, eh?

 

if only you had set us all so straight in the beginning.

As usual, sorry little swamp puppy putting words into people mouths. What I said was simple, the Lions have been exposed for the frauds that they are. The word Bear did not appear anywhere in the statement. And you expect people to believe you can be anything other than a douche...

clarify: the lions, like the bears, are 3-3 and tied for first. if the lions smell like dung be advised the bears reside in the same outhouse.

 

so if the bear's bunkmate is a fraud...what does that make the bears? and please feel free to completely ignore me. you, and sho, like to respond to every single post i make and call me douche and say no one listens to me...well, then stop listening to me! sometime this year, please!

 

why do i care if no one at fantasy football message board listens to me?

Bears have the tiebreaker. They are not tied.

 

Point of order.

um, they are still in the same room as the lions.

38-6, end of story. Until the Lions prove otherwise, they aren't even in the same zip code as the Bears.

until the nfl starts awarding bonus point wins for blowouts, your assertion is not backed by any data in the standings. indeed the lions are so close to the bears that a tiebreaker is needed to separate them at the moment.

 

and the lions--and my predictions--have been proven "frauds" because they're 3-3? really. that's ONE game off the season-ending pace i've predicted (9-10 wins). as much as you want to put definitive spins on the season now, i can tell you i'm quite confident in stating the nfl season has 16 games in it.

 

and don't think i don't remember you in here spouting off about the "super bears" going into the 2002 season. so please: stop the mudslinging. you're getting more on yourself than you are others.

 

fun? yeah, i'm having fun. feel free to continue. cheers!

[jeffkomlo 19]

Lions 14 1 offensive TD 1 Defensive TD

Da Bears 13

 

Lions are w/o R. Williams and now it looks like S. Rogers is out as well but Garcia will outplay Orton

 

and for the record I am embarrassed to live in the same city let alone state as SWAMP DOG who can't back up anything he says with anything intelligent and won't man up to a real bet.

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...opic=178086&hl=

[swamp dog 0]

Lions 14  1 offensive TD 1 Defensive TD

Da Bears 13

 

Lions are w/o R. Williams and now it looks like S. Rogers is out as well but Garcia will outplay Orton

 

and for the record I am embarrassed to live in the same city  let alone state as SWAMP DOG who can't back up anything he says with anything intelligent and won't man up to a real bet.

 

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...opic=178086&hl=

so, mr. komlo of the 211 posts since july of this year: who are you an alias for? and how many aliases do you have?

 

another thing funny about this board: people that talk back and forth to themselves via their aliases. in the whole scheme of things it's hilarious...but the attempts to do it on a serious level are what's amusing.

 

you run the risk of taking yourself, like drj and a few others, much, much too seriously. save the pious attitude for something that matters in life. a hint: anything that matters occurs outside of this board.

 

i explained myself quite clearly in that thread. and the offer still stands and will stand until sunday kickoff if drj or sweetness (eliminating walter: i respect him too much) wants to take it.

 

cheers.

[remote controller 143]

My point is...............I like all of your input when it simply that.......input. The problem comes with the antagonism. Hell, you all know a bunch of good stuff on your teams, and all the other teams in the divison in general. It's just hard to glean the good stuff from these long senseless threads. I would truly love to have a beer with any of ya!!!......................If that makes me a poosay, then so be it! I will always have each of your backs when you are being senselessly attacked by a troll or alias trying to drag you into one of these fiascos, but we have all been around long enough to do better with each other. Shalom!!!!!

[Walter34 3]

My point is...............I like all of your input when it simply that.......input.  The problem comes with the antagonism.  Hell, you all know a bunch of good stuff on your teams, and all the other teams in the divison in general.  It's just hard to glean the good stuff from these long senseless threads.  I would truly love to have a beer with any of ya!!!......................If that makes me a poosay, then so be it!    I will always have each of your backs when you are being senselessly attacked by a troll or alias trying to drag you into one of these fiascos, but we have all been around long enough to do better with each other.  Shalom!!!!!

<wipes tear away>

 

You're the best man