The Sodomite Party strikes again: Parents rip school

[fastfish 0]

The Gay Agenda is 100% identified with the Dems....and as it was in 2004, it will highly motivate the "family values" voters to go to the polls and pull the lever for the GOP in 2006. Nothing spells defeat for Dems better than the gay activists pushing their agenda down family throats.

 

 

Gay indoctrination tactics won't win votes with any parent, anywhere.

[torridjoe 48]

The Gay Agenda is 100% identified with the Dems....[/url]

 

Log Cabin Republicans?

 

 

Gay indoctrination tactics won't win votes with any parent, anywhere.

 

gay parents?

[jerryskids 6,825]

Log Cabin Republicans?

gay parents?

Torrid, do you really support this kind of general curriculum for second graders?

[torridjoe 48]

Diversity lessons? Of course. It was a story about marriage, of which same-sex is a legal form in Massachusetts, where the school is located. Why would anyone have a problem with that?

[jerryskids 6,825]

Diversity lessons? Of course. It was a story about marriage, of which same-sex is a legal form in Massachusetts, where the school is located. Why would anyone have a problem with that?

I've got a second grade girl. She basically understands that mommies and daddies get married and babies are the result. This topic IMO brings up questions that are not appropriate for children that age.

 

I'm not against diversity education per se, I just think it is a little young for the topic.

 

Note also I said "general". If there were a child with gay parents in the specific class, I would consider a discussion on the topic.

[torridjoe 48]

I've got a second grade girl. She basically understands that mommies and daddies get married and babies are the result. This topic IMO brings up questions that are not appropriate for children that age.

 

I'm not against diversity education per se, I just think it is a little young for the topic.

 

Note also I said "general". If there were a child with gay parents in the specific class, I would consider a discussion on the topic.

 

I'm not sure I understand. She's not too young to hear about people of the opposite sex getting married, but she's too young to hear about same-sex marriage? What's the difference?

 

What would you tell her about a classmate who had gay parents? That they weren't really married, or something?

[jerryskids 6,825]

I'm not sure I understand. She's not too young to hear about people of the opposite sex getting married, but she's too young to hear about same-sex marriage? What's the difference?

 

What would you tell her about a classmate who had gay parents? That they weren't really married, or something?

My concern is that my daughter understands that something about a mommy and daddy make the baby. A conversation something like:

Student: "I thought a mommy and daddy made a baby. How do two daddies make a baby?"

Teacher: "They don't [then some description of adoption, prior marriages, whatever]".

Student: "What is different about the mommy and daddy that they can make the baby?"

 

I already addressed your concern about the student in the class, not sure why you are asking again.

[torridjoe 48]

My concern is that my daughter understands that something about a mommy and daddy make the baby. A conversation something like:

Student: "I thought a mommy and daddy made a baby. How do two daddies make a baby?"

Teacher: "They don't [then some description of adoption, prior marriages, whatever]".

Student: "What is different about the mommy and daddy that they can make the baby?"

 

I already addressed your concern about the student in the class, not sure why you are asking again.

 

sorry, I missed that last line of yours.

 

Why would the teacher be giving a health lesson? They don't teach health until 5th grade. The scenario you describe would lead to the teacher saying, "Talk to your parents about that."

[fastfish 0]

keep talking torrid... your 'tude just adds to extra votes to the GOP election victories.

 

(hint: homosexuality represents about 5-10% of the total population of nations/states/tribes since the beginning....this means 90-95% of the people are hetro, want their childen hetro and don't like sodomites selling their nasty, high risk, deviant, anti-procreation life style as being "the same" as marriage between a man a woman.)

 

it's not a civil rights issue...it's anthropology and cultural taboos exist for a reason.

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I'm on the fence on the topic but what bothers me is when the Superintendent says:

 

"Schools are required to notify parents of lessons on sex education and give them the right to opt out, but in Lexington, sex education doesn't begin until fifth grade, Ash said."

 

Now, certainly this is a gray area as far as whether it would be considered sex ed but this quote makes it sound like the superintendent wouldn't care if it definitely was a sex ed issue as he can skirt it since the kids aren't old enough to meet the requirement.

 

keep talking torrid... your 'tude just adds to extra votes to the GOP election victories.

 

(hint: homosexuality represents about 5-10% of the total population of nations/states/tribes since the beginning....this means 90-95% of the people are hetro, want their childen hetro and don't like sodomites selling their nasty, high risk, deviant, anti-procreation life style as being "the same" as marriage between a man a woman.)

 

it's not a civil rights issue...it's anthropology and cultural taboos exist for a reason.

 

This is pretty stupid. Even assuming you are right about those percentages that doesn't mean that because someone is hetero they automatically would oppose the teaching of diversity in school.

[gratefulted 14]

Is Jeff Gannon considered part of the "Sodomite Party"

[fastfish 0]

Tiptoe thru the tulips all ya want and dream of your "gay world"... but here is a dose of reality: the gay activists forced their way onto 10 state ballot initiatives in 2004....homo's lost 0-10 and helped our President get his 110 million vote re-election.

 

see ya in November.

[torridjoe 48]

Tiptoe thru the tulips all ya want and dream of your "gay world"... but here is a dose of reality: the gay activists forced their way onto 10 state ballot initiatives in 2004....homo's lost 0-10 and helped our President get his 110 million vote re-election.

 

see ya in November.

 

it was 11--and why are you calling Karl Rove and the GOP "gay activists?"

[Ravens 03 0]

Diversity lessons? Of course. It was a story about marriage, of which same-sex is a legal form in Massachusetts, where the school is located. Why would anyone have a problem with that?

 

I have a problem with it.

 

I don't want my youngsters exposed to this BS in school, especialy at that age.

[fastfish 0]

0-11

 

thanks...my bad

[nobody 2,687]

This is outrageous. I'm voting GOP in the next election.

[BuckeyeMiniMe 0]

How dare they teach tolerance, love and understanding in school??? Don't they know that hate is the Amurican f'n way?!?!?

 

[torridjoe 48]

I have a problem with it.

 

I don't want my youngsters exposed to this BS in school, especialy at that age.

 

what's BS? It's called reality. What 2nd grader doesn't understand marriage? My kindergartener gets it.

[nobody 2,687]

maybe your kindergartner is a genius. Ever think of that.

[Ravens 03 0]

My 2nd grader [when they were in 2nd grade] could certainly understand marriage.

 

But same-sex marriage is not something they could/should have to deal with.

 

Pretty simple in my book.

 

If you want to teach that BS to a kid that young feel free, but don't do it in public schools against MY wishes.

[supermike80 1,925]

Never thought I would say this but I agree with Torrid here. I'm not sure what the issue is with letting your child know about same sex marriage? Remember, this is a conversation about love, not sex. So saying you do not want to expose your child to that is homophobic in my opinion.

 

And if you are homophobic, so be it. But admit it.

 

It's not like you would discuss sex with your young child whether it was man/woman or same sex anyway, so don't make it out like you have to explain it to your young child.

 

How do you answer the sex question when or if they ask about mommy and daddy? Do you go into details? Of course you don't.

 

And I think it's perfectly acceptable to say two same sex parents cannot have babies--big focking deal. That's all you have to say, if the child asks why, all you have to say is only mommy/daddy marriages can make babies and leave it at that. Remember, it is a child, you don't have to explain every little thing.

 

Sometimes this board makes me go

[MDC 7,471]

I don't see what the purpose of teaching this to 2nd graders is. Are same sex parents so common that schools need to teach it to kids of that age? It's not that I'd personally be opposed to my kids (if I had any) knowing about same-sex marriage - I just don't see the need for schools to teach it. It's a touchy moral issue that's better left to parents than public schools IMO.

[supermike80 1,925]

I don't see what the purpose of teaching this to 2nd graders is. Are same sex parents so common that schools need to teach it to kids of that age? It's not that I'd personally be opposed to my kids (if I had any) knowing about same-sex marriage - I just don't see the need for schools to teach it. It's a touchy moral issue that's better left to parents than public schools IMO.

 

Well I agree. There is no reason to teach it, just as schools really don't teach what "normal" marriage is. I agree with that.

My point was the parents who say they didn't want their children exposed to that, like saying somehow their young'uns knowing two men can love each other is something thay shouldn't know.

 

Don't agree with that.

[hoytdwow 202]

Sometimes this board makes me go

amen to that.

 

also, itsatip that the sexual themes of the story probably went right over the kids' heads without them even noticing.

[MDC 7,471]

Well I agree. There is no reason to teach it, just as schools really don't teach what "normal" marriage is. I agree with that.

My point was the parents who say they didn't want their children exposed to that, like saying somehow their young'uns knowing two men can love each other is something thay shouldn't know.

 

Don't agree with that.

 

I think we are pretty much in agreement. Personally I'm OK with the message; I just don't think it's appropriate for public school, at least not at that age.

[torridjoe 48]

My 2nd grader [when they were in 2nd grade] could certainly understand marriage.

 

But same-sex marriage is not something they could/should have to deal with.

 

Pretty simple in my book.

 

If you want to teach that BS to a kid that young feel free, but don't do it in public schools against MY wishes.

 

If it goes against your wishes, put them in private school.

 

Same-sex marriage is something they HAVE to deal with. It's legal, remember?

 

I don't see what the purpose of teaching this to 2nd graders is. Are same sex parents so common that schools need to teach it to kids of that age? It's not that I'd personally be opposed to my kids (if I had any) knowing about same-sex marriage - I just don't see the need for schools to teach it. It's a touchy moral issue that's better left to parents than public schools IMO.

 

You don't see the purpose of teaching children the concept of marriage?

[MDC 7,471]

You don't see the purpose of teaching children the concept of marriage?

 

Sure I see the purpose of teaching children the concept of marriage. But don't see that as the role of a public educator. Parents are more than capable of teaching their children about the concept of marriage - including or not including same-sex marriage - at an age when they feel it's relevant and appropriate.

[brinett9 0]

So you're anti-homo.

 

Thanks for the update.

[torridjoe 48]

Sure I see the purpose of teaching children the concept of marriage. But don't see that as the role of a public educator. Parents are more than capable of teaching their children about the concept of marriage - including or not including same-sex marriage - at an age when they feel it's relevant and appropriate.

 

they're capable. That's not really the issue, though.

I have a hard time understanding why you don't think teaching diversity is inappropriate for schools.

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they're capable. That's not really the issue, though.

I have a hard time understanding why you don't think teaching diversity is inappropriate for schools.

 

You're starting to spend a lot of time over here again. I guess the blog isn't going so well, eh? And I was rooting for you, really I was

[George Carlin 1]

What is a sodomite? Isn't that the kind of sandwich Men at Work sang about?

[brinett9 0]

What is a sodomite? Isn't that the kind of sandwich Men at Work sang about?

It's a person from an imaginary city in some fantasy book, like Lord of the Rings or something.

[torridjoe 48]

You're starting to spend a lot of time over here again. I guess the blog isn't going so well, eh? And I was rooting for you, really I was

what?

[MDC 7,471]

they're capable. That's not really the issue, though.

I have a hard time understanding why you don't think teaching diversity is inappropriate for schools.

 

Same-sex marriage is IMO also moral and possibly religious issue, and generally speaking I think that parents - not public educators - should decide how and when to handle those topics with their kids. I would not want a public educator to teach my kids that homersexuality is an abomination in God's eyes, so I can understand why parents who are not tolerant of homersexuals would not want their kids to be taught that gay marriage is like any other union. Again, I basically agree with the message but IMO there is no compelling reason why public schools should be opening that can of worms when it comes to 2nd grade kids.

[torridjoe 48]

Same-sex marriage is IMO also moral and possibly religious issue, and generally speaking I think that parents - not public educators - should decide how and when to handle those topics with their kids. I would not want a public educator to teach my kids that homersexuality is an abomination in God's eyes, so I can understand why parents who are not tolerant of homersexuals would not want their kids to be taught that gay marriage is like any other union. Again, I basically agree with the message but IMO there is no compelling reason why public schools should be opening that can of worms when it comes to 2nd grade kids.

 

 

But gay marriage IS like any other union. That's the point--it's legally no different from heterosexual marriage. They're not teaching same-sex marriage; they're teaching MARRIAGE. There's a moral and religious issue to marriage, period. You're saying that the entire issue of marriage is not a legitimate subject to address in school, which just seems ridiculous.

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But gay marriage IS like any other union. That's the point--it's legally no different from heterosexual marriage. They're not teaching same-sex marriage; they're teaching MARRIAGE. There's a moral and religious issue to marriage, period. You're saying that the entire issue of marriage is not a legitimate subject to address in school, which just seems ridiculous.

 

Gay marriage is not just like hetero marriage. Otherwise it wouldn't still be illegal in most states and we wouldn't have to say things like "gay marriage".

[torridjoe 48]

Gay marriage is not just like hetero marriage.

 

It is in Massachusetts, which is where these lessons took place.

[MDC 7,471]

You're saying that the entire issue of marriage is not a legitimate subject to address in school, which just seems ridiculous.

 

To be honest, I don't think that marriage is a valid subject for a second grade classroom. At that age, I think those issues are best left to parents.

[torridjoe 48]

To be honest, I don't think that marriage is a valid subject for a second grade classroom. At that age, I think those issues are best left to parents.

 

OK, we disagree. Seven year olds can handle marriage, I think. It's not like most of them don't exist under one.

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It is in Massachusetts, which is where these lessons took place.

 

Uh no. Just because they've legalized it doesn't make it the same. Are you saying that now it's the same but 10 years ago it was different? yeah, that's why we throw phrases around like "hetero marriage", "traditional marriage" and "gay marriage". They're synonymous lol