NFL Draft Weekend Team Thread: Green Bay Packers

[donhaas 18]

Walter is bias yes, but at times is right on point. Swamp is a closet Packer fan that can't bring himself to admit it.

 

Agree. Sampdog loves the Packers. He's like that third grade girl who acts like she hates a boy but really has a huge crush.

 

The point is that these guys are automatically going to blast Packer draft moves. It's just so impossible to know right now how everything will pan out.

 

It's funny to watch.

 

Both thought that Collins was the worst pick ever last year. So take everything with a grain of salt.

[Walter34 3]

You said terrible pick. Bethune-Cookman College??? The Packers reached terribly... blah, blah, blah.....

 

I remember it and if I can find it I will bump it. Do you really think it's that far-fetched that you would say the Packers drafted terrible? Why so indignant?

 

My point is not that you think Packers make terrible moves every draft (when it's impossible to know at this point). I actually like the Packers decisions if you and Sampdog blast them. There's just no objectivity with you guys. It's actually kind of funny

 

Wrong - I'm trying to have a conversation. You take the bating and banter too far. I dont recall any comment good or bad on Collins and am not even sure I was on the board for the draft.

 

For this year if you care to re-read my posts:

 

Hawk - good pick

Javon - good trade

Trade down with NE - not good

Trade down with Atl - not good

 

 

 

 

 

Both thought that Collins was the worst pick ever last year. So take everything with a grain of salt.

 

You are confusing me with someone else on this point seriously.

[hoffdaddy 1]

I was getting a little nervous about this huge premium they seemed to be putting on size. Bottom, line you need to be able to stretch the field. I think we have some nice size in Gardner, Fergusen, and Bo and some good quickness in Driver and now Jennings.

 

Kiper had this guy as a huge sleeper and really liked the pick. I like what I've read... whatever that's worth. I'm just gonna have to trust in Thompson on this one, but my gut reaction is a good one.

 

I'm liking what I'm hearing too. Might be that this whole big wide receiver preference was also a smokescreen.

[donhaas 18]

Wrong - I'm trying to have a conversation. You take the bating and banter too far. I dont recall any comment good or bad on Collins and am not even sure I was on the board for the draft.

 

For this year if you care to re-read my posts:

 

Hawk - good pick

Javon - good trade

Trade down with NE - not good

Trade down with Atl - not good

You are confusing me with someone else on this point seriously.

 

 

You don't think its possible that you could have been down on the Packers taking an obscure safety from Bethune-Cookman college in the second round?? Is it really that far-fetched?

 

I am absolute positive about this point. I wish I could bring it back.

But it's really not a big deal.

 

I'm not bating or bantering.

Objectivity when it comes to the Packers is not your forte.

 

Let's get back on topic.

[Walter34 3]

Let's get back on topic.

 

agreed. Dont take us off it in the future.

[donhaas 18]

agreed. Dont take us off it in the future.

 

If you are going to come into a Packer thread and slam Packer picks, I'm going to bring up your track record.

 

Whether you remember it, is another story.

 

I would prefer to stay on topic, though.

 

Although filling tremendous needs, there are questions about the Packers second round picks. I trust TT. He hasn't given me any reasons not to.

 

I like the Packers getting more picks. They have traditionally built their team (last two decades) on the second day.

[Arsenal 3]

Wrong - I'm trying to have a conversation. You take the bating and banter too far. I dont recall any comment good or bad on Collins and am not even sure I was on the board for the draft.

 

For this year if you care to re-read my posts:

 

Hawk - good pick

Javon - good trade

Trade down with NE - not good

Trade down with Atl - not good

You are confusing me with someone else on this point seriously.

 

To be honest, I agree with Walter on this one to some degree. We could have had Jackson over Jennings. But that could have screwed up the Walker trade though. I think Devner would have held off on the trade if they felt that we were committed to trading him at some later point. As it turned out, it looked like they wanted Jackson and then scrambled to get Walker after he was drafted and they realized Walker was the next best option. TT initiated that scramble.

 

So the NE trade leads to the Walker trade and we end up at 37 with nothing we really want. TT obviously has some "reach" picks here that he knows he will be able to get later so he starts trading down so he can afford to take some gambles.

[Mr Anonymous 24]

Found this on Colledge...

 

Yahoo! Sports' Charles Robinson:

 

On Colledge: "Colledge really improved his stock leading up to the draft, and is a quality tackle to develop down the line. Could be a full-time starter in a year. He buried Mathias Kiwanuka a few times in protection drills at the Senior Bowl and got scouts buzzing."

[uubeee 0]

We can still get Abdul Hodge....Man, I wanted him like 20 picks ago. And yet he is still there. Jean-Giles is also there.

 

3 3rd rounders should bring in the talent, but the way TT finds talent, it won't be anyone I've been looking at.

[Dagger 0]

[Mr Anonymous 24]

We can still get Abdul Hodge

 

And we did!

 

If we just go ahead and pick him in round two without all the trades, people are happy. Now we get him in round 3 and still have two more third rounders. Awesome.

[Ed Suspicious 0]

We can still get Abdul Hodge....Man, I wanted him like 20 picks ago. And yet he is still there. Jean-Giles is also there.

 

3 3rd rounders should bring in the talent, but the way TT finds talent, it won't be anyone I've been looking at.

[uubeee 0]

And we did!

 

If we just go ahead and pick him in round two without all the trades, people are happy. Now we get him in round 3 and still have two more third rounders. Awesome.

 

There are not enough for me right now.

 

Abdule Hodge in the middle. Barnett and Hawk on the outside. Ben Taylor coming in somewhere. This LB core is no longer weak. It's the strength of this D.

 

WOW. I am happy with this draft. Get another OL and Mike Hass WR Oregon ST. I would be dancing in the street!

[Mr Anonymous 24]

I'd love to see us get Calhoun with one of these two remaining third rounders.

 

Other than youth at LB (though with tons of promise)...do we have a single weakness on D? I am absolutely loving how good our defense is going to be. We were 10th last year, now we've added Pickett, Manuel, Taylor, Woodson, Hawk, and Hodge. Wow!

[uubeee 0]

Calhoun went to Detroilet.

 

Jason Spitz OL

 

I am loving this

[whoisjgalt 0]

Swimmers don't often make good guards - I'm just saying.

[Ed Suspicious 0]

Spitz is a quick-footed center who can get through to the second level quickly...

This seems to be the key. NFL.com has a really poor grade on him, but TT must think differently.

[Wildman 0]

There are not enough for me right now.

 

Abdule Hodge in the middle. Barnett and Hawk on the outside. Ben Taylor coming in somewhere. This LB core is no longer weak. It's the strength of this D.

 

WOW. I am happy with this draft. Get another OL and Mike Hass WR Oregon ST. I would be dancing in the street!

 

Agreed. Hodge and Hawk with Barnett? Nice!

[Ed Suspicious 0]

This seems to be the key. NFL.com has a really poor grade on him, but TT must think differently.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/...yers/47857.html

SI and the folks on packerchatters.com tell a different story. A top 5 gaurd in the draft with the potential to be an instant starter. Also say he has a mean streak.

 

TT is doing a bang up job.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I do not get all the hate on the trades.

 

He turned Walker and a 2nd round pick into what is turning out to be a great 3rd round...and 2 2nd round picks.

 

Could have had Jackson...maybe he does not fit in for what they want. I liked the kid...was high on him when I liked a 15 and 22 trade with Denver earlier....but there were the negatives about the guy.

 

Good pick for NE.

 

The Colledge pick? Well..reading up on him looks like he can start early...but was a reach. A bit small...but he will be playing guard and he has bulked up every year in college.

 

Jennings I like to step in on punt returns and in the slot...good pick at that point.

 

Love Hawk of course....love the Hodge and Spitz picks as well.

[ROBOKOP 0]

LB A.J. Hawk, Ohio State No brainer

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2

36

To New England for Nos. 52 & 75 stockpile those picks

 

 

2

37

From DEN for WR Javon Walker; then to ATL with No. 139 for Nos. 47, 93 & 148 great-more picks

 

 

2

47

OT Daryn Colledge, Boise State Not my pick but perfect scheme guy

From ATL with Nos. 93 & 148 for Nos. 37 & 139

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2

52

WR Greg Jennings, Western Michigan Need one, as good as a shot as the others....

From NE with No. 75 for No. 36

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3

67

LB Abdul Hodge, Iowa Excellent he was still there

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3

75

OG Jason Spitz, Louisville - undecided Was literally praying for Calhoun, but we need the linemen....

From NE with No. 52 for No. 36

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[swamp dog 0]

guys:

 

loved the hodge pick. i think the linebacking position went from a position of need to a position of strength for you guys in a single day.

 

of course these guys will have some growing pains, but it should pan out well in the end.

[ROBOKOP 0]

1. Ko Simpson South Carolina S 4.08

2. Max Jean-Gilles Georgia OG 4.05

3. Alan Zemaitis Penn State CB 4.02

4. Gabe Watson Michigan DT

 

One of these guys with #93........please

[Sho Nuff 720]

or a trade...

[ROBOKOP 0]

Nevermind, Packers just traded it away for a 4th and 6th

[donhaas 18]

guys:

 

loved the hodge pick. i think the linebacking position went from a position of need to a position of strength for you guys in a single day.

 

of course these guys will have some growing pains, but it should pan out well in the end.

 

 

OMG!! They've kidnapped, Swampdog.

 

Swampdog, bark 3 times if you're in Milwaukee

 

 

The back 7 are really coming into place.

 

What did they just trade??

[Ed Suspicious 0]

I liked the early trades, but damn. In the sixth round, aren't you almost rolling the dice? Seems like you lose alot of flexibility when it comes to day two. TT has been stellar today IMO so it's hard to knock the move, but it would have been nice to select there. I guess, you only drop 9 spots. Probably worth that. I don't know. It's been a long day.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Not a bad move. Not a big move down (though I was wanting to see another pick)

 

Pretty simple philosphy for Thompson...grab alot of picks....draft multiple people at the positions of need and hope 1 or 2 work out for you.

 

Solid first day.

[swamp dog 0]

i do think the packers have made the best haul in the nfcn after day 1 here...

 

of course, a lot of pundits loved detroit's drafts on past draft days, too

[Sho Nuff 720]

i do think the packers have made the best haul in the nfcn after day 1 here...

 

of course, a lot of pundits loved detroit's drafts on past draft days, too

 

I like what Thompson did to pull in all these picks. Got to do so when you have the needs they do.

 

I like the Sims and Calhoun picks for Detroit...do not know enough about Bullocks to really speak about it.

[Ryan166 0]

John Clayton says the Packers are the 4th biggest loser so far in the draft, right behind the Buffalo Bills.

 

LINK

[Ed Suspicious 0]

Clayton's a loser. The fact that we meet with Clayton's disapproval should be an indicator of good things for this draft class.

 

I don't know why, but I've always had an unnatural hatred towards John Clayton, the weasely little bugger.

[Sho Nuff 720]

John Clayton says the Packers are the 4th biggest loser so far in the draft, right behind the Buffalo Bills.

 

LINK

 

He is basing it too much on it being Favre's last year rather than an actual draft.

 

From so many other places Im reading people are quite pleased with Thompson on this.

 

And how Chicago is not in that bottom is laughable.

[Arsenal 3]

John Clayton says the Packers are the 4th biggest loser so far in the draft, right behind the Buffalo Bills.

 

LINK

 

He apparently thought that since Favre was back, we should be making a lot of moves to try to make a championship run or something. Newsflash - GB isn't in the playoffs this year no matter what they do, they are rebuilding and setting the stage for the future.

 

People who grade the draft always praise the people who took big named people at the skill positions. GB didn't need to do that, so they are not going to get a good draft grade, but that doesn't really have much bearing on things. I imagine if we took Davis and then Jackson, everyone would be talking about how great a draft we had.

[football_scooter 0]

Great trades for the Packers who need to fill many needs.

 

I am impressed as hell...got rid of the malcontent Walker for 2 extra early round picks, and took Hawkm a beast of a man, at 1.05.

 

Good for them. I think they did as well as possible. No pack hate....I tip my cap to 'em.

[uubeee 0]

Clayton's a loser. The fact that we meet with Clayton's disapproval should be an indicator of good things for this draft class.

 

I don't know why, but I've always had an unnatural hatred towards John Clayton, the weasely little bugger.

I am not sure how Clayton even has a job. He must have been grandfathered in. Or has photos of an ESPN exec with a pig in an embarassing position.

[ROBOKOP 0]

Need #1: Linebackers check AJ Hawk is an instant pro bowler Abdul Hodge is an almost surefire starter.

 

Need #2: O-Line check Daryn Colledge was the best zone blocking lineman in the draft. Jason Spitz is a solid guard with a lot of upside

 

Need #3 Wide receivers check Lost pro bowler in Walker, but with his attitude, he was a non factor; got something for him. Greg Jennings is a solid receiver and should immediately contribute at #3. With no elites in this draft, he has as much potential as the others in top five.

 

Now.......................we have 2 out of the next 12 picks with some great names still on the board ands a total of SEVEN picks on day two to toy with.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Was gone all day moving my girlfriend. Hardly could check on the draft at all. But, I could not be happier with how the first day went. Love the Hodge and Jennings picks. TT is the anti-Millen.

[cixelsyd 0]

John Clayton says the Packers are the 4th biggest loser so far in the draft, right behind the Buffalo Bills.

 

LINK

 

John Clayton must have got drunk at the draft... He has Denver as the biggest winner? I hate the Culter pick, I wasn't that high on him. And Javon is another Packer WR that Favre made look good... how many have moved on to bigger and better things?

 

And the hype about the VD pick? I would have been pissed if the Pack take VD, SF gets him at 6 (too early)... just cause he's fast? Maybe if he played Basketball for Kent State I'd be a little more excited, but he didn't play Basketball anywhere... don't compare him to Gate and Gonzales when BB clearly played a part in their skills... When I think SF needs, TE wasn't one that stuck out to me...

 

Packers had a great Day 1, hoping for a strong Day 2.

 

 

 

Another take on Winners and Losers

 

Hmmmm Packers made Biggest Winners on this list...

[Mr Anonymous 24]

The biggest complaint I'm seeing from Packer fans is passing on the chance to go ahead and take Chad Jackson themselves. Well, I'm sorry while he may wind up being a solid player for someone someday, his skill set does not match with Green Bay. TT knows what Sherman never could figure out. Smurfs and guys whose best traits are blazing speed do not thrive in Green Bay. Think Ahmad Carrol. Why, November and December in the NFC North that's why. Sure a guy like Jackson might help us win a game in the Metrodome, but he'd disappear at Lambeau, Soldier Field and anywhere else where the track slows down as winter sets in. Notice the Pack started to fare better in Minneaplois under Sherman but we were losing at home suddenly? Meanwhile under Wolf we never could crack the dome jinx, but we were built for where it mattered...Lambeau.

 

Check out Chad Jackson's strengths and weaknesses...

 

Strengths- body control, downfield threat, speed

 

Weaknesses- blocking ability, route-running skills

 

Those weaknesses are the exact primary needs of a west coast offense WR and especially one that expects to hold up on bad turf. And while speed and downfield ability is great to have in a WR it is always negated in bad weather. Sherman liked to throw it up for grabs and attack downfield, that's why Walker had success. But it also had a lot to do with Favre's high INT total. Under MM, were going back to short, crisp routes where Favre's completion % will rise and INT rate will drop back to respectability. Sherman would have taken Jackson. TT and MM know he doesn't fit true Green Bay Packer, west coast, grind it out, and get dirty football. If we played our home games in a dome, I'd be all over picking a guy like Jackson. His strengths just would be negated at Lambeau while his weaknesses are exactly what GB needs in a WR.

 

Not having guys like Jackson might have been the primary reason why we couldn't win at Dallas, St. Louis, or Minny in the mid 90's. But at the same time, having a team built for Lambeau, got us to two Super Bowls in the mid 90's.