GB, Det and Minn

[Walter34 3]

Seem to be learning from Chi. Let's all get LBs like the awesome Bears have. maybe we can be just like them!

[Brad GLuckman 519]

As a Packer fan, I just hope they don't also learn how to be a crappy team for 2 decades... ...

[Deadpool 0]

I expect a fanatical response from swampdog in 3.....2.......

 

 

[Walter34 3]

As a Packer fan, I just hope they don't also learn how to be a crappy team for 2 decades... ...

 

Like the Pack in the 70s / 80s?

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Yes...exactly like that

[swamp dog 0]

i thought you hated the det pick, walt?

[Walter34 3]

i thought you hated the det pick, walt?

 

Jesus man - are you incapable of understanding a joke post?

 

And I dont hate the pick - just thought they could have done better with it. They could / should have traded down 5 or 6 spots and still got him and they could have gone a different route altogether.

 

The only serious blunder of the day so far is the poor Bills.

[Sweetness_34 0]

I said the exact same thing when the QUeens took Greenway

 

The problem is though that NONE of them got even a LB as good as Briggs, forget Urlacher

 

Hands down....we are the best team in the division

[Vikings4ever 550]

I said the exact same thing when the QUeens took Greenway

 

The problem is though that NONE of them got even a LB as good as Briggs, forget Urlacher

 

Hands down....we are the best team in the division

And they were hands down the worst going into last year. Look how that turned out.

[Brad GLuckman 519]

Perhaps Swampdog is a little insecure about the Lions pick, therefore cannot detect the humor in the post. I think there's been quite a bit of anxiety for Lions fans leading up to the draft...hoping Millen didn't draft another WR to further the "WR in Rd 1" jokes for another year.

 

Swamp, they didn't draft a WR, so be happy with that. Kick back relax...and maybe have a beer.

 

More of this--->

Less of this---->

 

 

 

I said the exact same thing when the QUeens took Greenway

 

The problem is though that NONE of them got even a LB as good as Briggs, forget Urlacher

 

Hands down....we are the best team in the division

 

I'd say the Bears definately have the advantage going into this season in the NFC North...but I wouldn't say hands down, as they are not a dominant team. Dominant defense---yes, but their weak offense makes them vulnerable, and it's not a lock they win the north

[LunaTick 30]

Seem to be learning from Chi. Let's all get LBs like the awesome Bears have. maybe we can be just like them!

 

Has been a known position of need for the Vikes since Del Rio and Eddie Mac were last with the team. Meaning well over 5 years now.

 

This is surprising, as another LB is part of the Vikes scouting team. Studwell.

 

Fortunate coincidence which hopefully translates into security at the position.

 

Perhaps another LB or S may yet be in the future for the defense.

 

Still also need to look at rb and qb. Too far away from the picks to ponder anything more yet.

[swamp dog 0]

so if the bears go wr, i suppose they're going to be copying the lions?

[Deadpool 0]

so if the bears go wr, i suppose they're going to be copying the lions?

 

 

That would mean that they would have to use every pick for the next two years on WRs to catch up to the 12 or 13 that the Lions have.

 

[MahSoonerz 0]

Perhaps Swampdog is a little insecure about the Lions pick, therefore cannot detect the humor in the post.

 

The funny thing about swampie is that he doesn't get anybody's sense of humor, and nobody seems to get his either. Madcap hijinx ensue.

[Riddlen 1]

its a fine pick. with huff gone, he was best avaialble defensive stud

[Diesel07 0]

its a fine pick. with huff gone, he was best avaialble defensive stud

Being an FSU fan, i agree...somewhat. He was the best LB left, but defensive player...i dont know about that. Im happy with the pick, but like another poster said, they could have traded down and maybe got a late first round or 2nd round pick and STILL got Ernie.

[swamp dog 0]

Being an FSU fan, i agree...somewhat. He was the best LB left, but defensive player...i dont know about that. Im happy with the pick, but like another poster said, they could have traded down and maybe got a late first round or 2nd round pick and STILL got Ernie.

 

from what i understand, denver was the only team calling...they wanted the lions to move down 6 spots for third. not worth it. besides, millen and marinelli had sims the bpa on their draft board--even over huff (according to tom kowalski). it wasn't worth it to them to lose out on sims for an extra 3rd.

[Mad Brad 0]

News Flash: The Vikings will win the norris division in 2006... It prolly won't even be a contest...

 

The Bears were bigger pretenders than Freddie Mercuryand Mike Jackson combined last year, and we all saw it in the playoffs... With that phoney #2 seeding...

 

Chicago get ready for another dose of reality... remember that 13-3 season about 5 years ago coupled with a bad playoff appearence... How did they do the next year... Oh yea they sucked... Can you say DeJaVu in 2006.... I can... MB

[Sho Nuff 720]

News Flash: The Vikings will win the norris division in 2006... It prolly won't even be a contest...

 

The Bears were bigger pretenders than Freddie Mercuryand Mike Jackson combined last year, and we all saw it in the playoffs... With that phoney #2 seeding...

 

Chicago get ready for another dose of reality... remember that 13-3 season about 5 years ago coupled with a bad playoff appearence... How did they do the next year... Oh yea they sucked... Can you say DeJaVu in 2006.... I can... MB

 

 

Yeah...cause that one LB you got will really change things.

 

Nice trade up for a QB who they possibly could have got for nothing after the draft though...

[LunaTick 30]

Yeah...cause that one LB you got will really change things.

 

Nice trade up for a QB who they possibly could have got for nothing after the draft though...

 

I will state I am unsure of a few Oline picks by the Packers, considering who they could have gotten.

 

Concerning the Vikings:

But clearlly someone left someone unattended in the draft room during the second round.

They reached for every player in the second. Getting worse and worse each time.

 

At the moment I don't think the draft changed things for this season for the Vikes.

 

For GB is dependent upon when the Olinemen could start. But it sounds like a year off at the earliest from the ESPN write up on them.

 

Are all of the GM's trying to find diamonds in the rough, and thus making poor players unworthy millionaires or something.

[uubeee 0]

Can't speak for the rest of you, but I am happy with TT's decisions today and how everything played out for GB.

 

I was hoping for AJ Hawk in the 1st and Dqwell Jackson in the 2nd. But AJ and Abdul Hodge seem just as good. Especially with Barnett.

 

Especially love how TT turned Javon (what most considered 2 weeks ago a 3rd round at best) into a 2nd, 3rd and some other stuff.

 

Someone pointed out earlier that Denver paid more for Walker than Miami did for Culpepper.

[LunaTick 30]

Someone pointed out earlier that Denver paid more for Walker than Miami did for Culpepper.

 

Walkers injury is minor compared to that of Culpepper.

Dante really should not be expected to play this year.

It sounds like he is trying to rush his recovery, but if he does return will be relegated to a pocket passer.

Dante's "threat" is his size and escapability.

If his injury recovery is not far enough along, he is exposed for recurring the injury.

I think the Vikes management was willing to deal for a slight loss rather than incurring months of speculation at such a criticial position before the draft.

Also I believe that Dantes style limits the offense in many ways. He needs coaching to fix his tell if Dante is to get a ring. Again Dantes tell is staring down his receiver from the moment they line up, hike the ball, throw the ball and have the coverage tackle right away, intercept, deflect the pass. Especially problematic critical 25 yards from the center of the field to the red zone.

Last, Moss made Pepper.

 

Comparatively, GB could stand pat and not be concerned with the WR. They could go and add, and if Walker came back they would be deaper if not they would field a roster. I expect they will look to add 1 more veteran after the draft but before the camps for competition.

 

Walker should return and be productive right away.

Shanahan and the Broncos are apt to spend a littel bit on a chance more so than most team in the NFL. Unlike Redskins, they do this with reserves. Walkers deal is 1 year, for instance. So if it doesn't look to work out, they are not committed, etc.

[uubeee 0]

Walkers injury is minor compared to that of Culpepper.

Dante really should not be expected to play this year.

It sounds like he is trying to rush his recovery, but if he does return will be relegated to a pocket passer.

Dante's "threat" is his size and escapability.

If his injury recovery is not far enough along, he is exposed for recurring the injury.

I think the Vikes management was willing to deal for a slight loss rather than incurring months of speculation at such a criticial position before the draft.

Also I believe that Dantes style limits the offense in many ways. He needs coaching to fix his tell if Dante is to get a ring. Again Dantes tell is staring down his receiver from the moment they line up, hike the ball, throw the ball and have the coverage tackle right away, intercept, deflect the pass. Especially problematic critical 25 yards from the center of the field to the red zone.

Last, Moss made Pepper.

 

Comparatively, GB could stand pat and not be concerned with the WR. They could go and add, and if Walker came back they would be deaper if not they would field a roster. I expect they will look to add 1 more veteran after the draft but before the camps for competition.

 

Walker should return and be productive right away.

Shanahan and the Broncos are apt to spend a littel bit on a chance more so than most team in the NFL. Unlike Redskins, they do this with reserves. Walkers deal is 1 year, for instance. So if it doesn't look to work out, they are not committed, etc.

 

Don't get me wrong. I'd take Walker over Culpepper any day of the week. Some might call me crazy, but I think Randy Moss made Culpepper. Not the other way around. He's decent, but not as good as everyone seems to think.

[Arsenal 3]

Walker should return and be productive right away.

Shanahan and the Broncos are apt to spend a littel bit on a chance more so than most team in the NFL. Unlike Redskins, they do this with reserves. Walkers deal is 1 year, for instance. So if it doesn't look to work out, they are not committed, etc.

 

So they traded a 2nd round pick for one year of play of a WR coming off a torn ACL? Walker may be back this year, but I have yet to see a player come back from that injury and be 100% the next year. The success of this trade for DEN will be completely dependent on what kind of long term contract they could work out with Walker.... based on his attitude so far, that is going to be a challenge.

[ROBOKOP 0]

With Woodson, Hawk and Hodge; the Packers defense just became SCARY!

[Sweetness_34 0]

Perhaps Swampdog is a little insecure about the Lions pick, therefore cannot detect the humor in the post. I think there's been quite a bit of anxiety for Lions fans leading up to the draft...hoping Millen didn't draft another WR to further the "WR in Rd 1" jokes for another year.

 

Swamp, they didn't draft a WR, so be happy with that. Kick back relax...and maybe have a beer.

 

More of this--->

Less of this---->

I'd say the Bears definately have the advantage going into this season in the NFC North...but I wouldn't say hands down, as they are not a dominant team. Dominant defense---yes, but their weak offense makes them vulnerable, and it's not a lock they win the north

 

That weak offense will have Grossman/Griese over Orton; Bradley back; Benson back; Currie back

 

Believe what you want, but the Bears O will surprise you and easily be good enough to get us the division win (critical injuries notwithstanding)

[jdswan922 0]

Being a Bears fan, I hate to say that I love what the Packers did. I hate that they did for their team, but I think they made some grat picks. I think they have a pretty damn good LB corps now. Jennings is an interesting prospect. I like the Colledge pick too. You cheeseheads should be pleased.

[Walter34 3]

Division overview:

 

Green bay was the winner from our division, but with them, you also have to factor in the loss of Walker where it gained them an additional 2nd round pick.

 

Overall though, they added 2 LBs, 2 OL and a WR. They addressed their primary needs with all 5 picks. Whether the mid rounders work out or not is another question, but from a need perspective, they nailed their picks.

 

Detroit added to their defence with Sims and Bullocks. Sims was a bit of a reach, but immediately becomes their best LB assuming he can stay healthy. (concussions). The RB pick was a bit puzzling considering they have decent depth there already. Still have not addressed the oline. A small trade down could have gotten them another day 1 pick. Mediocre draft overall.

 

Minn got good value with Greenway in the 1st. With 3 2nd rounders, they could have done much better than what they got. The perceived ranking of these 3 were much lower than where they were taken. Below average grade considering their high picks.

 

With Chi, they addressed the secondary needs with both Manning Jr and Manning II. Hester seems like a project player that will take awhile to be a position player but should contribute immediately on special teams. Is he another Donte Hall? The DT pick was to a strength position due to the Tank injury I assume. Not a fan of this selection. They did not address the WR depth or TE and will have to hope for the young WRs on the roster to step up. The trade down was ok, but the players were taken ahead of their perceived value. Overall a mediocre effort, but adding Manning Jr into the mix gives them a boost.

 

GB - B+

Chi - C+

Det -C+

Min - C-

[swamp dog 0]

walt, sims did not miss a game in college because of his alledged concussions. therefore, he is no bigger a health risk than any other player who did not miss playing time in college.

 

wil backer position is vitally important in a cover-2 scheme, as are safeties. the lions got two important starters on day 1. your assessment of them being able to trade down and still get sims is a false one. at 9, he's not a reach: he was the 2nd-best linebacker in the draft on most boards and kiper had him going as high as 7 to oakland.

 

other than that, the grades are meaningless at this point.

[donhaas 18]

News Flash: The Vikings will win the norris division in 2006... It prolly won't even be a contest...

 

The Bears were bigger pretenders than Freddie Mercuryand Mike Jackson combined last year, and we all saw it in the playoffs... With that phoney #2 seeding...

 

Chicago get ready for another dose of reality... remember that 13-3 season about 5 years ago coupled with a bad playoff appearence... How did they do the next year... Oh yea they sucked... Can you say DeJaVu in 2006.... I can... MB

 

 

The Vikings barely scraped by the Packers in both matchups last year. Baaarely. 56 yard field goal as time expires.... And the Packers were terrible. The Packers will starting a 5th or 6th string RB, some world league recievers, and Klemm and Whitaker at guards.

 

The Packers upgraded their top-10 defense tremendously. Hawk, Woodson, Pickett, Hodge. They upgraded the terrible Roman at safety. No more Roman. No more Carroll. No more Hanibal Navies.

 

 

Ahman and poop are back, Gado is only going to get better and better as he learns how to be a running back. They drafted linemen high to replace the weakest part of their team last year.

 

If anybody will be challenging the Bears this year, it will be the Packers.

We had our one bad year; now we're ready for 17 more good ones.

[remote controller 143]

Division overview:

 

Green bay was the winner from our division, but with them, you also have to factor in the loss of Walker where it gained them an additional 2nd round pick.

 

Overall though, they added 2 LBs, 2 OL and a WR. They addressed their primary needs with all 5 picks. Whether the mid rounders work out or not is another question, but from a need perspective, they nailed their picks.

 

Detroit added to their defence with Sims and Bullocks. Sims was a bit of a reach, but immediately becomes their best LB assuming he can stay healthy. (concussions). The RB pick was a bit puzzling considering they have decent depth there already. Still have not addressed the oline. A small trade down could have gotten them another day 1 pick. Mediocre draft overall.

 

Minn got good value with Greenway in the 1st. With 3 2nd rounders, they could have done much better than what they got. The perceived ranking of these 3 were much lower than where they were taken. Below average grade considering their high picks.

 

With Chi, they addressed the secondary needs with both Manning Jr and Manning II. Hester seems like a project player that will take awhile to be a position player but should contribute immediately on special teams. Is he another Donte Hall? The DT pick was to a strength position due to the Tank injury I assume. Not a fan of this selection. They did not address the WR depth or TE and will have to hope for the young WRs on the roster to step up. The trade down was ok, but the players were taken ahead of their perceived value. Overall a mediocre effort, but adding Manning Jr into the mix gives them a boost.

 

GB - B+

Chi - C+

Det -C+

Min - C-

 

A good assessment of day 1. I am very excited for Day 2, and the 2006 season.

[Tusekan Raiders 0]

News Flash: The Vikings will win the norris division in 2006... It prolly won't even be a contest...

 

The Bears were bigger pretenders than Freddie Mercuryand Mike Jackson combined last year, and we all saw it in the playoffs... With that phoney #2 seeding...

 

Chicago get ready for another dose of reality... remember that 13-3 season about 5 years ago coupled with a bad playoff appearence... How did they do the next year... Oh yea they sucked... Can you say DeJaVu in 2006.... I can... MB

 

Is there a bigger pretender team in the history of the NFL, muchless recent history, then the Vikings? Those loaded offensive teams recently always ended up smoked in the playoffs and well, when you used to make it to the Super Bowl, the AFC was always happy to see you.

 

I remember the Vikings being a lock to win the north in 2005 too...it wasn't even supposed to be close.

[Diesel07 0]

walt, sims did not miss a game in college because of his alledged concussions. therefore, he is no bigger a health risk than any other player who did not miss playing time in college.

 

wil backer position is vitally important in a cover-2 scheme, as are safeties. the lions got two important starters on day 1. your assessment of them being able to trade down and still get sims is a false one. at 9, he's not a reach: he was the 2nd-best linebacker in the draft on most boards and kiper had him going as high as 7 to oakland.

 

other than that, the grades are meaningless at this point.

If i remember correctly, he had ONE concussion, rest of them were him geting his bell rung. He did have a broken ankle at the beginning of last year. He was held out of practices because he was too much of a threat to his teamates and himself. Team officials and doctors looked into his injury history...there were no issue/complications.

[LunaTick 30]

walt, sims did not miss a game in college because of his alledged concussions. therefore, he is no bigger a health risk than any other player who did not miss playing time in college.

 

wil backer position is vitally important in a cover-2 scheme, as are safeties. the lions got two important starters on day 1. your assessment of them being able to trade down and still get sims is a false one. at 9, he's not a reach: he was the 2nd-best linebacker in the draft on most boards and kiper had him going as high as 7 to oakland.

 

other than that, the grades are meaningless at this point.

 

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/20/Sports/L...ussion_li.shtml

College football

LB Sims (concussion) likely to miss Duke game

By Times staff writers

Published October 20, 2005

 

TALLAHASSEE - Coach Bobby Bowden said Wednesday that linebacker Ernie Sims may miss Saturday's game at Duke after suffering a concussion in last week's 26-21 loss at Virginia.

 

"Ernie has had several concussions this year, but not bad," Bowden said. "In other words, he could play. But we wouldn't dare play him if it was a risk. I think he's making an improvement and this week he might be questionable."

 

http://www.ncsports.com/ftbllstats/collinj.html

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=51772

 

Seminoles' Sims entering NFL draft

 

Posted: January 9, 2006

 

Associated Press

 

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Worried about a career-ending injury, Florida State linebacker Ernie Sims said Monday he'll give up his final year of eligibility to prepare for the NFL draft in April.

[swamp dog 0]

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/20/Sports/L...ussion_li.shtml

College football

LB Sims (concussion) likely to miss Duke game

By Times staff writers

Published October 20, 2005

 

TALLAHASSEE - Coach Bobby Bowden said Wednesday that linebacker Ernie Sims may miss Saturday's game at Duke after suffering a concussion in last week's 26-21 loss at Virginia.

 

"Ernie has had several concussions this year, but not bad," Bowden said. "In other words, he could play. But we wouldn't dare play him if it was a risk. I think he's making an improvement and this week he might be questionable."

 

http://www.ncsports.com/ftbllstats/collinj.html

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=51772

 

Seminoles' Sims entering NFL draft

 

Posted: January 9, 2006

 

Associated Press

 

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Worried about a career-ending injury, Florida State linebacker Ernie Sims said Monday he'll give up his final year of eligibility to prepare for the NFL draft in April.

 

isn't that what every player weighs the risk of in coming out or not--a career-ending injury? there have been players who haven't had as much as a cold in college come out early because they feared injury before their paydays. and many others who get insurance policies. that is non-news.

 

if sims ended up missing the game in question (above), that's news to me. the draft reports indicated he didn't miss any games for that reason, and he said he didn't. but even if he did: one game. the implication everyone's making here is that he's some injury-prone guy who has missed loads of time.

 

not the case.

[DrJ 0]

isn't that what every player weighs the risk of in coming out or not--a career-ending injury? there have been players who haven't had as much as a cold in college come out early because they feared injury before their paydays. and many others who get insurance policies. that is non-news.

 

if sims ended up missing the game in question (above), that's news to me. the draft reports indicated he didn't miss any games for that reason, and he said he didn't. but even if he did: one game. the implication everyone's making here is that he's some injury-prone guy who has missed loads of time.

 

not the case.

 

Once you have a concussion, you are proned to more. Either way, I'm glad the Lions spent a pick trying to catch up to the Bears, and still are miles behind in the LB dept. Maybe in 3-4 drafts you'll have put together a defense as good as Angelo's. Oh, who am I kidding.

[Diesel07 0]

Yes, thats the ONE concussion i thought he had. Thats nice you provide all those links (about the same game), but i think you answered the question about his "concussions" in your own post.

 

"Ernie has had several concussions this year, but not bad," Bowden said. "In other words, he could play. But we wouldn't dare play him if it was a risk. I think he's making an improvement and this week he might be questionable."

I dont know where these "several concussions last year" came from. Most of them were mild concussions which probalby werent even addressed. First of all, he missed spring practice and some of summer workout because of his broken ankle. There were only 6 games prior to the Duke game.

 

Miami- Played the whole game

Citadel- Played majority of the game (let backups play when they got a big lead)

BC- Played the whole game

Syracuse- Played the whole game

Wake Forest- Played the whole game

Virginia- Suffered concussion

 

Also, during his introductory press conference with the Lions today he addressed the issue when asked about it:

 

"I had four of them that were minor concussions and one of them that was kind of serious."

[LunaTick 30]

... the implication everyone's making here is that he's some injury-prone guy who has missed loads of time.

 

not the case.

 

Not injury prone.

But an injury risk. A risk that he will likely have a reduced career in the NFL.

If compared with a cat, you would say that he has lost a high number of lives. More than average compared with other players entering the draft.

Now true it is possible that any of the guys could suffer a career ending injury in camp.

But the issue here is "risk" versus "reward" in drafting this guy first round

 

Think about Troy Aiman, Steve Young, SD QB from the mid to late 90's.

[Walter34 3]

JD Runnels

 

You guys are FOCKED!

[jdswan922 0]

JD Runnels

 

You guys are FOCKED!

 

Isn't Tim Day still available? Martin Nance? Someone has got to be better than this guy.