Supreme Court Eliminates "No-Knock" Rule

[Mephisto 15]

But hey... it's just another in a ever-increasing list of issues where "Hey, if you have nothing to hide, it's no big deal."

 

Enjoy your civil liberties while they last!

 

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/nationworld/16055.php

[RLLD 4,230]

I think we all know that your thug-arse has everything to hide....

[MDC 7,431]

So now the government can collect your phone records, bust into your house without knocking, ship you off to a secret prison, torture you, and hold you indefinitely without ever charging you with a crime. :doubleclap:

[Nick the Cat 1]

But hey... it's just another in a ever-increasing list of issues where "Hey, if you have nothing to hide, it's no big deal."

 

Enjoy your civil liberties while they last!

 

http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/daily/nationworld/16055.php

 

If the cops already went out of their way to obtain a search warrant from the courts, then it's a good chance that the person who they are busting in on is up to no good anyway.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Quick MDC, jump on the next plane to Iran and escape this repressive regime.

[RLLD 4,230]

Quick MDC, jump on the next plane to Iran and escape this repressive regime.

 

I understand your point, but I think he is allusing to the unkept promise lost to efforts of securty. His argument is valid, but you also bring up a valid point.

 

I would submit that the threats we must currently face preclude the implementation of that most purest form of liberty, and require that we subjugate certain aspects of liberty.

 

It is unfortunate.

[MDC 7,431]

Quick MDC, jump on the next plane to Iran and escape this repressive regime.

 

Guys like you have a lot more in common with Iran than I do: You love having religious extremists dictate your morals and an oppressive Daddy government to spy on you and spend your money.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Guys like you have a lot more in common with Iran than I do: You love having religious extremists dictate your morals and an oppressive Daddy government to spy on you and spend your money.

 

Wrong on all points.

 

I don't dance to religious extremists or Daddy govt, but I also don't panic over one SC ruling where the authorities went to the courts and obtained a search warrant as a sign we live in a dictatorship.

 

Loosen the tin-foil hat for once.

[MDC 7,431]

Wrong on all points.

 

I don't dance to religious extremists or Daddy govt, but I also don't panic over one SC ruling where the authorities went to the courts and obtained a search warrant as a sign we live in a dictatorship.

 

Loosen the tin-foil hat for once.

 

Our federal government has declared that they can indefinitely detain US citizens in foreign prisons and torture them, without ever charging them with a crime, and you tell me to loosen my tinfoil hat.

 

The funny part is that dooshetards like you call yourself "conservatives" and your worldview most resembles communist Russia. Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave.

[RLLD 4,230]

These little exchanges are so much more entertaiing without Torrid. That being said, I do miss the "crazy" that cat brought every day....

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Our federal government has declared that they can indefinitely detain US citizens in foreign prisons and torture them, without ever charging them with a crime,

 

Link.

 

I mean besides truthout.org..............they have alread been proven full of shiat, right Turbin.

[Uh-huh 0]

I would submit that the threats we must currently face preclude the implementation of that most purest form of liberty, and require that we subjugate certain aspects of liberty.

 

It is unfortunate.

 

Even after 200+ years, some Americans don't get it:

Those Who Would Sacrifice Liberty for Security Deserve Neither." -Ben Franklin

[MDC 7,431]

Link.

 

I mean besides truthout.org..............they have alread been proven full of shiat, right Turbin.

 

Link to what? What specific point do you disagree with? Name one thing you contest.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

The funny part is that dooshetards like you call yourself "conservatives" and your worldview most resembles communist Russia. Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave.

 

"Government is not a solution to our problem, government is the problem"

 

ETA: I don't see that this is taking away any liberties. There is a warrant in hand. I would prefer the safety of the officers from having the alleged criminals ready for their entry to any perceived loss of liberty by the search. If there is a problem with judges giving out warrants without probable cause, then you have a different problem.

[spottedowl 1]

What civil liberty is lost when a peace officer shows up at the door with a search warrant approved by a judge? It appears to me, the fourth amendment is protected while requiring law enforcement to have permission to enter. How long should a law enforcement officer stand at the door waiting for the occupant to answer? You linked an article that looks like an opinion page of a newspaper. The first sentence.....

 

GINA HOLLAND

The Associated Press

 

WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court's conservative shift has paid off for police.

Justices made it easier Thursday for officers armed with search warrants to barge into homes without knocking or waiting.

 

This story was not written by a person who believes in punishment for criminals?

[Mephisto 15]

I understand your point, but I think he is allusing to the unkept promise lost to efforts of securty. His argument is valid, but you also bring up a valid point.

 

I would submit that the threats we must currently face preclude the implementation of that most purest form of liberty, and require that we subjugate certain aspects of liberty.

 

It is unfortunate.

 

It requires no such thing. It only allows what we allow it to allow. What's incredibly shameful is that this country's citizens seem to allow more and more and more and more and...

[Uh-huh 0]

It requires no such thing. It only allows what we allow it to allow. What's incredibly shameful is that this country's citizens seem to allow more and more and more and more and...

That's because of two reasons:

 

1) The country has taken a turn towards conservatism.

 

2) Conservative principles are grounded in fear. At heart, conservatives are cowards; therefore they are willing to give up liberties for the "promise" of security.

[Sho Nuff 720]

That's because of two reasons:

 

1) The country has taken a turn towards conservatism.

 

2) Conservative principles are grounded in fear. At heart, conservatives are cowards; therefore they are willing to give up liberties for the "promise" of security.

 

[MDC 7,431]

That's because of two reasons:

 

1) The country has taken a turn towards conservatism.

 

2) Conservative principles are grounded in fear. Conservativesa are at heart cowards, so they are willing to give up liberties for the "promise" of security.

 

I've got to disagree with you. Fear of government largesse is a core principle of classical conservatism. The problem is that the Republican party is drunk on power and its supporters don't care about anything but keeping the same people in power. Even the National Review is getting fed up with George W. Bush.

[Uh-huh 0]

I've got to disagree with you. Fear of government largesse is a core principle of classical conservatism. The problem is that the Republican party is drunk on power and its supporters don't care about anything but keeping the same people in power. Even the National Review is getting fed up with George W. Bush.

 

I'll disagree with your disagreement. Think about what the word "conservative" means. Resistance to change comes from fear of the new. Conservatives want things to stay the way they think they should be, because they fear what might happen to them and their families if society changes on them.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I'll disagree with your disagreement. Think about what the word "conservative" means. Resistance to change comes from fear of the new. Conservatives want things to stay the way they think they should be, because they fear what might happen to them and their families if society changes on them.

 

Even more

[Uh-huh 0]

Even more

Of course. That's the typical response from someone who gets confronted with an inconvenient truth.

 

You're a conservative? You're afraid of something. Admit your fear and deal with it like an adult.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Of course. That's the typical response from someone who gets confronted with an inconvenient truth.

 

You're a conservative? You're afraid of something. Admit your fear and deal with it like an adult.

 

Actually its the only response that pile of garbage you posted deserved.

 

Conservative? On a few issues.

 

Adult? Like overgeneralizing the beliefs of some who disagree with you?

 

Yeah...ok.

[Uh-huh 0]

Actually its the only response that pile of garbage you posted deserved.

 

Conservative? On a few issues.

 

Adult? Like overgeneralizing the beliefs of some who disagree with you?

 

Yeah...ok.

Thanks for proving my point. The fear is evident in the numerous posts by real- and faux-conservatives such as yourself.

 

Of course conservatives live in fear. Fear drives everything you do, say, and think. It's pretty sad, really, because most of you live in denial of your fear and don't really understand why you feel the way you do.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Thanks for proving my point. The fear is evident in the numerous posts by real- and faux-conservatives such as yourself.

 

Of course conservatives live in fear. Fear drives everything you do, say, and think. It's pretty sad, really, because most of you live in denial of your fear and don't really understand why you feel the way you do.

 

Fear? No, I do not fear ignorance like yours. I laugh at it.

 

What is sad is you think you know anything about anyone on this board...or others for that matter.

 

The denial is yours...you called everyone lemmings before...yet all you were doing was following others and being the biggest lemming of all.

 

Your posts have always really only deserved a .

[spottedowl 1]

Just so you bone-heads know, I answered the question. Keep defending your political position--- You look like fools...

[brinett9 0]

So now the government can collect your phone records, bust into your house without knocking, ship you off to a secret prison, torture you, and hold you indefinitely without ever charging you with a crime. :doubleclap:

Hey, but we're still not Nazi Germany.

 

Germans can play soccer.

[pimptastic69 0]

Thanks for proving my point. The fear is evident in the numerous posts by real- and faux-conservatives such as yourself.

 

Of course conservatives live in fear. Fear drives everything you do, say, and think. It's pretty sad, really, because most of you live in denial of your fear and don't really understand why you feel the way you do.

 

Yet, I'm not afraid of global warming.

[brinett9 0]

Identifying yourself as a police officer before shooting is next.

[Strike 5,553]

:popcorn:

[spottedowl 1]

:popcorn:

 

This is a time for you to respond.

[Strike 5,553]

This is a time for you to respond.

 

The SCOTUS has jumped the shark. Happy now?

[ROBOKOP 0]

Do any of you critics understand the burden of proof necessary to obtain a search warrant? Its not like the cops are randomly kicking in doors. There is all kinds of evidence that there is drugs in the house. How many search warrants come up with nothing?

[nobody 2,673]

Those who would give up liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

[Uh-huh 0]

Fear? No, I do not fear ignorance like yours. I laugh at it.

 

What is sad is you think you know anything about anyone on this board...or others for that matter.

 

The denial is yours...you called everyone lemmings before...yet all you were doing was following others and being the biggest lemming of all.

 

Your posts have always really only deserved a .

Thanks for proving my point AGAIN. You are afraid, pure and simple. Your fear makes you angry. Fear and anger makes you aggressive, and you prove it by responding with personal attacks.

 

As to conservatives basing their attitudes on fear and on anger fueled by fear? It's obvious:

• Faux-conservatives are for giving up civil liberties for security. Because they're afraid of terrorists and crime.
  
• Real-conservatives are for limiting government. Because they are afraid that government will try to control their lives.
  
• Real-conservatives are for tax cuts. Because they're afraid the government will take away their money. And they're pissed that someone else will benefit.
  
• Conservatives support free market economics and no government social programs. Because they are greedy SOBs who are afraid if the riff-raff gets social assistance, they will have enough money to buy a home in their neighborhood.
  
• Conservatives rail against illegal immigration, because they are afraid the illegals will overwhelm "their" America.
  
• Faux-Conservatives still support Bush. Because they're afraid of feeling like the idiots they really are if they admit to themselves they were 100% wrong about supporting W.
  

Every time you conservatives rant about something, you do so out of fear and anger. It's hard to pay attention to anyone whose "tries" to make points based on their fear.

[Electric Mayhem 35]

Perhaps in principal this is a step in the wrong direction, for for practical purposes it really didn't do crap.

 

Don't you ever watch 'Cops'? They have one guy with the battering ram, and one other guy leaning towrds the door - as the battering ram swings forward, the other guy knocks and yells "VEGAS POLICE!!" and the door is smashed in about 1/10th of a second later.

 

It's not like they used to go to a meth lab, ring the doorbell and politely wait.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

Perhaps in principal this is a step in the wrong direction, for for practical purposes it really didn't do crap.

It's not like they used to go to a meth lab, ring the doorbell and politely wait.

 

Exactly, plus a bad warrant is a bad warrant. It will not stop police from entering your house, so any talk that this will hurt the innocent is bogus. Any true abuse on your civil liberties will not change a bit by this ruling.

[edjr 6,592]

If you can't knock, does that mean the only way to win scat is to get 31?

[Ravens 03 0]

I like this Supreme Court!

[Sho Nuff 720]

Thanks for proving my point AGAIN. You are afraid, pure and simple. Your fear makes you angry. Fear and anger makes you aggressive, and you prove it by responding with personal attacks.

 

As to conservatives basing their attitudes on fear and on anger fueled by fear? It's obvious:

• Faux-conservatives are for giving up civil liberties for security. Because they're afraid of terrorists and crime.
  
• Real-conservatives are for limiting government. Because they are afraid that government will try to control their lives.
  
• Real-conservatives are for tax cuts. Because they're afraid the government will take away their money. And they're pissed that someone else will benefit.
  
• Conservatives support free market economics and no government social programs. Because they are greedy SOBs who are afraid if the riff-raff gets social assistance, they will have enough money to buy a home in their neighborhood.
  
• Conservatives rail against illegal immigration, because they are afraid the illegals will overwhelm "their" America.
  
• Faux-Conservatives still support Bush. Because they're afraid of feeling like the idiots they really are if they admit to themselves they were 100% wrong about supporting W.
  

Every time you conservatives rant about something, you do so out of fear and anger. It's hard to pay attention to anyone whose "tries" to make points based on their fear.

 

You continue to prove my point when you generalize a large group of people based on a few beliefs.

 

There is not fear or anger in me thinking you have no clue ok Yoda. It is based on your posts. You prove me right every single day.

 

Everytime you rant about something, you generally do so out of ignorance. It is hard to pay attention to anyone who thinks they know something about some anonymous posters on the internet and wants to generalize anyone who has ever defended one thing about a republican or has any conservative beliefs.

 

It is why you earn this...