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"Israel wouldn't leave southern Lebanon as long as there was a single missile there. I would go in and clean them all out and I would announce that any Iranian airplane trying to bring missiles to re-supply them would be shot down. This idea that we have this one-sided war where the other team gets to plan how to kill us and we get to talk, is nuts."

 

 

so go in...u fat fock loudmouth chickenhawk

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He's right that the best case for Republicans is tying Dems to Nancy Pelosi. The GOP's best hope is to point out how nutso the Dems are.

 

It's the bain of modern American politics that only the most conservative Republican and only the most liberal Democrat can win in the primaries and face off against each other.

 

Regarding the WWIII rhetoric, I'm feeling more 'sh*t or get off' the can recently. The strategy in Iraq is just not working. The terrorists have the popular support of the local people. We're not welcome there and terrorists are treated as heros. They don't have anything else to do, unemployment there is 70% and most of those are (cough cough) 'security'.

 

To make the situation better, we have to either stop getting the people to hate us by withdrawing and offering some sort of support or stop getting the people to hate us by killing them all.

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He's right that the best case for Republicans is tying Dems to Nancy Pelosi. The GOP's best hope is to point out how nutso the Dems are.

 

It's the bain of modern American politics that only the most conservative Republican and only the most liberal Democrat can win in the primaries and face off against each other.

 

Regarding the WWIII rhetoric, I'm feeling more 'sh*t or get off' the can recently. The strategy in Iraq is just not working. The terrorists have the popular support of the local people. We're not welcome there and terrorists are treated as heros. They don't have anything else to do, unemployment there is 70% and most of those are (cough cough) 'security'.

 

To make the situation better, we have to either stop getting the people to hate us by withdrawing and offering some sort of support or stop getting the people to hate us by killing them all.

 

The terrorists hate us no matter what we do and it looks like the option of killing them is in play. :banana:

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"Israel wouldn't leave southern Lebanon as long as there was a single missile there. I would go in and clean them all out and I would announce that any Iranian airplane trying to bring missiles to re-supply them would be shot down. This idea that we have this one-sided war where the other team gets to plan how to kill us and we get to talk, is nuts."

so go in...u fat fock loudmouth chickenhawk

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He's right that the best case for Republicans is tying Dems to Nancy Pelosi. The GOP's best hope is to point out how nutso the Dems are.

 

It's the bain of modern American politics that only the most conservative Republican and only the most liberal Democrat can win in the primaries and face off against each other.

 

Regarding the WWIII rhetoric, I'm feeling more 'sh*t or get off' the can recently. The strategy in Iraq is just not working. The terrorists have the popular support of the local people. We're not welcome there and terrorists are treated as heros. They don't have anything else to do, unemployment there is 70% and most of those are (cough cough) 'security'.

 

To make the situation better, we have to either stop getting the people to hate us by withdrawing and offering some sort of support or stop getting the people to hate us by killing them all.

 

 

or by highly protecting the only asset we are there for in the first place.

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To make the situation better, we have to either stop getting the people to hate us by withdrawing and offering some sort of support or stop getting the people to hate us by killing them all.

the only thing that will get them to stop hating us is if we start to praise Allah, but nobody understands that

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He's right that the best case for Republicans is tying Dems to Nancy Pelosi. The GOP's best hope is to point out how nutso the Dems are.

 

I used to respect you...but if you think Nancy Pelosi is "far left"...it doesn't bode well for you.

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the only thing that will get them to stop hating us is if we start to praise Allah, but nobody understands that

 

do you think our (USA big money financially elected leadership) action in the region is about stopping the spread of islam?

 

clue...OIL

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do you think our (USA big money financially elected leadership) action in the region is about stopping the spread of islam?

 

clue...OIL

we can drill for oil other places- Alaska for example. Get over you Michael Moore theories.

 

Do you really think we should just leave them alone and they will leave us alone? That if we provide support to them they will just stop hating us?

 

I don't think you understand the influence that fundamental Islam has on the hatred of the US. They are not going to quit hating us. We can sit back and just wait for them to continue attack us, Israel, and any other western civilized countries they consider infidels or we can go on the offensive and try to spread a new way of thinking in the region. Personally, I would rather do whatever we can to stop the attacks on our soil and let the best trained Armed Forces in the world take the battle to them. It seems to have worked so far...have we had an attack on US Soil since 9-11? I guarantee it's not because they don't want it. They want to take us out- our whole country. Keep trying to tell yourself to leave the guy alone that wants to blow up you and your family....

 

There may be other leaders we could have taken out instead of Saddam, but we needed another entry point and Saddam was the easiest target to sell to the American people.

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The terrorists hate us no matter what we do and it looks like the option of killing them is in play. :thumbsup:

 

 

Precisley. Having lived among them I am always intruiged by the Michael Moore's and Torrids's of the world who truly know absolutely nothing about these people. :wacko:

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we can drill for oil other places- Alaska for example. Get over you Michael Moore theories.

 

Do you really think we should just leave them alone and they will leave us alone? That if we provide support to them they will just stop hating us?

 

I don't think you understand the influence that fundamental Islam has on the hatred of the US. They are not going to quit hating us. We can sit back and just wait for them to continue attack us, Israel, and any other western civilized countries they consider infidels or we can go on the offensive and try to spread a new way of thinking in the region. Personally, I would rather do whatever we can to stop the attacks on our soil and let the best trained Armed Forces in the world take the battle to them. It seems to have worked so far...have we had an attack on US Soil since 9-11? I guarantee it's not because they don't want it. They want to take us out- our whole country. Keep trying to tell yourself to leave the guy alone that wants to blow up you and your family....

 

There may be other leaders we could have taken out instead of Saddam, but we needed another entry point and Saddam was the easiest target to sell to the American people.

 

let me preface any thing im about to say with a big "im no expert", so im not quite sure how much oil might actually be in alaska. my uneducated assumption tells me its not as much oil thats in the middle east.

therefore WE ARE THERE FOR A REASON.

your take on the situation is a 'fight against fundamentalist islam'.

i defer to experts here. but i dont buy it. i think its ALL ABOUT OIL and i think the moslims know it.

 

so these facts exist....

 

china, india have extremely fast growing, intelligent ppl @ economies.

hmm, ppl work, make money, buy things, some might RUN and take a thing called GAS.

 

now ive already said im no genius,

but listen d1ckhead its ALL ABOUT OIL

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For once, I agree with Newt. I'm still sick of hearing about all the Republicans vs. Democrats rhetoric. He talks of Republicans getting a case of incumbentitis, but much of what he says is centered around beating Democrats. That incumbentitis is an outcome of trying to keep power from Dems, so it's a pretty hypocritical statement if you ask me. Otherwise, good points.

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let me preface any thing im about to say with a big "im no expert", so im not quite sure how much oil might actually be in alaska. my uneducated assumption tells me its not as much oil thats in the middle east.

therefore WE ARE THERE FOR A REASON.

your take on the situation is a 'fight against fundamentalist islam'.

i defer to experts here. but i dont buy it. i think its ALL ABOUT OIL and i think the moslims know it.

 

so these facts exist....

 

china, india have extremely fast growing, intelligent ppl @ economies.

hmm, ppl work, make money, buy things, some might RUN and take a thing called GAS.

 

now ive already said im no genius,

but listen d1ckhead its ALL ABOUT OIL

We would also have to get oil other places, but additional drillling in Alaska would help. Also, we can find alternative energy sources, drive less, etc...

 

Have you ever heard of Jihad?

 

If you think ignoring them will get them to stop hating us, you are grossly mistaken. They want to take over the world and are stuck in the 1600 holy war times. The leaders in some of those countries take advantage of their situations and continue to educate their young people to hate the US.

 

Why did Al Qaeda attack us. Were we taking their oil? Did that situation have anything to do with oil?

 

I'd love to hear some "expert" opinions on this site, but it seems there are only people that pretend to be experts. A lot of my opinion comes from what is in Dinesh D'Souza's book "What's So Great About America" Having grown up in India, I think this guys opinion is more valid than any of the so called "experts" on this site.

 

You continue to support the rationale for terrorism because you discount our efforts in winning this Global War on Terror as an oil for War. Go watch Farenheit 911, again...

 

You mention India and there fast growing economy. Do you have any idea why they have a "fast growing economy"? It is because they have embraced the Western Culture, something that the Middle East refuses to do because they believe Allah will control their commerce.

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we can drill for oil other places- Alaska for example. Get over you Michael Moore theories.

 

Are you aware that there is so little oil in Alaska, even under the rosiest of scenarios, that oil giants like ConocoPhillips have abandoned any intentions of drilling there?

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Are you aware that there is so little oil in Alaska, even under the rosiest of scenarios, that oil giants like ConocoPhillips have abandoned any intentions of drilling there?

They never abandoned intentions of drilling there. The bill died on the Senate floor that was going to allow drilling in ANWR because the Democrats didn't support it.

 

Opening a portion of the refuge to oil and gas exploration has been a goal of US companies for a quarter of a century - and is a key objective of the Bush administration.

 

The White House believes access to the estimated 10bn-plus barrels of crude oil would cut American reliance on imports, create jobs and raise revenue.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4549884.stm

 

Besides if the supply increases than the Oil companies have to charge less. I am not sure how a controlling increase in the oil in the Middle East would be beneficial to all these "oil giants" that (according to Mikey Moore and many of his devout followers on this site) are the ones that started the war and caused Jihad despite turning record highs in profits based off the increase in price.

 

I'm still waiting for the experts on this site to show up

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I'd love to hear some "expert" opinions on this site, but it seems there are only people that pretend to be experts. A lot of my opinion comes from what is in Dinesh D'Souza's book "What's So Great About America" Having grown up in India, I think this guys opinion is more valid than any of the so called "experts" on this site.

So growing up in the area automatically makes one's opinions more valid? Do you really think D'Souza speaks for the whole of India, or the middle east? You only lend his opinions more credibility because he preaches what you want to hear.

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So growing up in the area automatically makes one's opinions more valid? Do you really think D'Souza speaks for the whole of India, or the middle east? You only lend his opinions more credibility because he preaches what you want to hear.

No I lend his opinions because he is a highly educated expert of foreign policy that happened to grow up in the area.

 

Are you saying there is no such thing as Jihad and that if we ignore the Middle East (similar to what we did in Clinton years 1992-2000) that they will leave us alone and not repeat another attack like we had in 2001?

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Are you saying there is no such thing as Jihad and that if we ignore the Middle East (similar to what we did in Clinton years 1992-2000) that they will leave us alone and not repeat another attack like we had in 2001?

Yes, I said exactly that. :huh:

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Yes, I said exactly that. :rolleyes:

well you attacked the source that I used to defend the case of somebody that keeps saying this war is only about oil and that if we leave them alone they will leave us alone.

 

So what are you trying to say? Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing.

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So growing up in the area automatically makes one's opinions more valid? Do you really think D'Souza speaks for the whole of India, or the middle east? You only lend his opinions more credibility because he preaches what you want to hear.

 

I'm not familiar with D'Souza but I do know that foreigners have a history of putting America in a unique perspective. Alexis de Toqueville's critique of early America was particularly relevent and enlightening. From a personal perspective, I certainly hope my kids will have a stronger appreciation for what America means since they'll grow up overseas in a politically oppresive country. And I think they will.

 

The people of China love the US, it's not like (western) Europe at all. They assume all foreigners are Americans (much to the chagrin of my Euro friends); American flag motifs are very common to see on clothes. Of course, for me, it would be nice to have a president that deserves/restores our respect. George Bush is an everflowing source of embarassment not pride and the first thing I instinctivly do is distance myself from his policies whenever the topic comes up.

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well you attacked the source that I used to defend the case of somebody that keeps saying this war is only about oil and that if we leave them alone they will leave us alone.

 

So what are you trying to say? Or are you just arguing for the sake of arguing.

I did not "attack" the source. :rolleyes:

 

I pointed out that your offered rationale for giving his opinion extra weight was pretty weak, and implied it's one that you would not be likely to extend to someone who didn't agree with his/your views. That would be a LOT of people who also grew up in India or the middle east, btw.

 

I hope that makes it clear what I was trying to say. If you don't like having the crap you post argued with, don't focking post it. Hth. Tia.

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I did not "attack" the source. :blink:

 

I pointed out that your offered rationale for giving his opinion extra weight was pretty weak, and implied it's one that you would not be likely to extend to someone who didn't agree with his/your views. That would be a LOT of people who also grew up in India or the middle east, btw.

 

I hope that makes it clear what I was trying to say. If you don't like having the crap you post argued with, don't focking post it. Hth. Tia.

yeah, your right a former Foreign Policy Analyst in the Whitehouse who is from the area, and who The World Affairs Council lists as one of the nation's top 500 leading authorities on international issues, and who Newsweek cited as one of the country's most prominent Asian Americans is not a good source :mad:

 

a LOT of people who grew up in India or the Middle East? You mean like Osama Bin Laden, Ahmajinehad (or however you spell his name), members of Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al Qaeda.

 

What opinion do they not share? You mean they don't agree that there is a war they are waging called Jihad. I think on the contrary that most of those people mentioned understand that they are fighting this war.

 

What folks don't understand the concept of Jihad (kill the infidels) that are from India and Middle East? Please let me know, I am curious.

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yeah, your right a former Foreign Policy Analyst in the Whitehouse who is from the area, and who The World Affairs Council lists as one of the nation's top 500 leading authorities on international issues, and who Newsweek cited as one of the country's most prominent Asian Americans is not a good source :thumbsdown:

 

a LOT of people who grew up in India or the Middle East? You mean like Osama Bin Laden, Ahmajinehad (or however you spell his name), members of Hezbollah, Hamas, and Al Qaeda.

 

What opinion do they not share? You mean they don't agree that there is a war they are waging called Jihad. I think on the contrary that most of those people mentioned understand that they are fighting this war.

 

What folks don't understand the concept of Jihad (kill the infidels) that are from India and Middle East? Please let me know, I am curious.

I have no interest in wasting the rest of my morning tyring to refute this silly post but I will aim for a quick point or two.

 

I never said D'Souza is "not a good source". Please try and get that into your head.

 

I said the rationale you gave for giving his opinions an extra helping of validity - i.e. the fact that he grew up some place kinda close to the middle east with a Muslim problem - was pretty weak.

 

I was also trying to point out that if you do give his views extra weight because of where he grew up then you should fairly give extra weight to the views of others who either grew up there, or even moreso, those that still live there, views that - AGAIN - often differ from Dinesh D'Souza quite markedly.

 

Let me give you a quick example using your logic; Osama Bin Laden grew up in the middle east, therefore his views on the area are more "valid" than those of someone who didn't. Do you agree or disagree with that statement?

 

If this is not clear enough for you, please feel free to build a bunch of complete strawmen totally unrelated to anything I have posted in the form of a response.

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let me preface any thing im about to say with a big "im no expert", so im not quite sure how much oil might actually be in alaska. my uneducated assumption tells me its not as much oil thats in the middle east.

therefore WE ARE THERE FOR A REASON.

your take on the situation is a 'fight against fundamentalist islam'.

i defer to experts here. but i dont buy it. i think its ALL ABOUT OIL and i think the moslims know it.

 

so these facts exist....

 

china, india have extremely fast growing, intelligent ppl @ economies.

hmm, ppl work, make money, buy things, some might RUN and take a thing called GAS.

 

now ive already said im no genius,

but listen d1ckhead its ALL ABOUT OIL

 

The largest oil reserves on the planet are in Soviet Georgia :thumbsdown:

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It's NOT true that most Iraqis hate us - nor that they support the terrorists. In poll after poll, several points remain consistent:

 

1) The majority of Iraqis resent the occupation - but don't want us to leave anytime soon.

 

2) The majority of Iraqis are moderate - not wahabists - and are not associated with terrorists.

 

3) The majority of Iraqis hate the terrorists at least as much as they resent us. After all, it is the Iraqi people - FAR more than the US soliders - who are suffereing at the hands of the terrorists, insurgents and extremists.

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What folks don't understand the concept of Jihad (kill the infidels) that are from India and Middle East? Please let me know, I am curious.

 

Um... India is Hindu, and to my knowledge we've no records of Hindus bombing anything. So I don't knw what they're doing on your list.

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The terrorists hate us no matter what we do and it looks like the option of killing them is in play. :pointstosky:

:pointstosky: Yeah baby!!! I say let's create a boatload of Martyrs for them :pointstosky: !! ........for Allahs sake

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do you think our (USA big money financially elected leadership) action in the region is about stopping the spread of islam?

 

clue...OIL

 

Our involvement in the region has nothing to do with oil. How much oil do you think there is in Iraq? There is more oil in Venezuela.

 

Even if there were a large amount of oil in Iraq, our having control of it wouldn't have much impact. The current high prices of oil are a result of the development in India and China. Our involvment in the region is not going to stop the exponential growth of demand for oil

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stop the exponential growth of demand for oil

 

2 billion fewer Chinese and my gas bill should go back to $0.99 per gallon.

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I used to respect you...but if you think Nancy Pelosi is "far left"...it doesn't bode well for you.

 

I'm sure he is crushed by this comment. :blink:

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Our involvement in the region has nothing to do with oil.

:blink:

 

That's funny stuff right there.

 

How much oil do you think there is in Iraq? There is more oil in Venezuela.

 

Even if there were a large amount of oil in Iraq, our having control of it wouldn't have much impact. The current high prices of oil are a result of the development in India and China. Our involvment in the region is not going to stop the exponential growth of demand for oil

Demand is only half the equation, there is also a little something known as "supply". You could look it up.

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That's funny stuff right there.

Demand is only half the equation, there is also a little something known as "supply". You could look it up.

 

Maybe you forgot to read the part where I said there wasn't much oil in Iraq. If the war was about oil Iraq would not be the first move.

 

After forgetting that, you also forgot that I pointed out that all the oil in Iraq would not be enough to counter the exponential growth of demand for oil in developing countries such as India or China.

 

I understand supply and demand. You apparently do not. I don't mean to be rude, but your dismissive attitude warrants it.

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Maybe you forgot to read the part where I said there wasn't much oil in Iraq. If the war was about oil Iraq would not be the first move.
No, I read it. I'm still laughing at it actually. :doublethumbsup:

 

Could I get a link to Venezuela having greater reserves than Iraq, because I have never seen numbers indicating that this is the case. And regardless of where they stand relative to Venezuela, they have VAST oil reserves.

 

 

After forgetting that, you also forgot that I pointed out that all the oil in Iraq would not be enough to counter the exponential growth of demand for oil in developing countries such as India or China.
That's part of the reason we want to maintain strong influence in the region, to help ensure that oil keeps flowing to the west and not to India and China. There are no reserves that will counter(?) global supply over the long run, that doesn't mean that every government and oil company around the world isn't doing everything in their power to lock up supplies to meet as much of that demand as they can. What do you think has been driving all the mergers of the majors over the last decade? Upstream integration, locking up reserves. Reserves are king right now.

 

 

I understand supply and demand. You apparently do not. I don't mean to be rude, but your dismissive attitude warrants it.

You apparently don't understand the first thing about it if you think that in times of increasing demand, supply avenues become irrelevant.

 

I am not one to say that this war was all about oil because anyone with three braincells knows it is far more complex than that. But it is equally simplistic to say...

 

Our involvement in the region has nothing to do with oil.

 

Why do you think Saddam invaded Kuwait? He wanted their oil fields. We went in and kicked him out because we had a defense treaty with Kuwait. Why would we agree to defend Kuwait in a regional skirmish? Again, Oil.

 

Our involvement in the region has nothing to do with oil? Please. ;)

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Why do you think Saddam invaded Kuwait?

 

More access to the Persian Gulf including port infrastructure.

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