So sick of the teacher is underpaid crap!

[surferskin 30]

Ah, yes, let's start in with the personal insults, shall we? Those always add so much more to the conversation. Oh no!@#@! You used the oldest focking jokes in the book!@#@! You sure told me off!@#@! I have been hearing those SAME things for the last THREE YEARS, and I am still around. Fockin' A. Get some new material.

 

At any rate, teachers are NOT people of authority. Their opinions may carry some weight, however, without proper attention and observation from the PARENTS their opinions and recommendations don't mean much. The PARENTS need to pay more attention. If the teacher told me something to take note of, personally *I* would watch it. I wouldn't haul my kid to the doctor to get drugs just because a teacher thought it would be a good idea. Gimme a break. That's just lazy parenting.

yeah, you really wanted a serious discussion after you wrote this "I recommend that you drink a beer or two and shove your finger in your azz." .

[pinfish_mauler 0]

yeah, you really wanted a serious discussion after you wrote this "I recommend that you drink a beer or two and shove your finger in your azz." .

 

 

Here's the difference - she did not address you personally with her example. You specifically addressed her with your's.

 

Itsatipreadingcomprehension

[Fervid Ro 0]

The unproductive fuckers that sit on message boards all day bitching about teachers being overpaid should probably look at themselves in the mirror before they judge. Except most of you are poor, so its probably a bad analogy.

 

funny I expected to see Fricker plastered all over this thread. Whining about overpaid teachers is one of his favorite rants. I guess he's productive and rich

 

When I ask myself if teachers are overpaid, I imagine all of the white collar workers out there. The ones with graduate degrees who earn as much or more than 50k. Surely they care. Instead of hiding under their desks when faced with violence in the workplace, they provide a human shield to protect those they work with rather than letting harm come to other people's children.

Unlike those overpaid teachers...

[surferskin 30]

Here's the difference - she did not address you personally with her example. You specifically addressed her with your's.

 

Itsatipreadingcomprehension

who asked you?

[KSB2424 3,148]

What I still cannot figure out is how most are taking all responsibility away from our teachers. "It's the parents job to teach and follow up" and "a teachers recommendations carry as much weight as a bum on the street", yet you want to pay them more. Where I come from the more responsibility you have, the more you get paid. Not the other way around.

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

What I still cannot figure out is how most are taking all responsiblity away from our teachers. "It's the parents job to teach and follow up" and "a teachers recommendations carry as much weight as a bum on the street", yet you want to pay them more. Where I come from the more responsibilty you have, the more you get paid. Not the other way around.

 

 

Personally, I have not commented at all about how much they are paid. I commented that they have to take many expenses out of their own pockets, but I haven't commented on their salaries, simply because I don't know what they are, and I know it's all about location, districts, etc.

 

I think that the teachers DO have a responsibility to our children. However, it's also MY responsibility as a parent to actually parent them, and what *I* say goes when it comes to my kids...not what the teacher says.

[pinfish_mauler 0]

What I still cannot figure out is how most are taking all responsiblity away from our teachers. "It's the parents job to teach and follow up" and "a teachers recommendations carry as much weight as a bum on the street", yet you want to pay them more. Where I come from the more responsibilty you have, the more you get paid. Not the other way around.

 

 

No one has recommended take all of the responsibility away from the teacher.

 

It is simply not feasible to place all of the responsibility of parenting, counseling AND teaching with educators - believe it or not, many parents do this.

 

A teacher's main responsibility should be the curriculum he/she has been charged to teach.

[surferskin 30]

What I still cannot figure out is how most are taking all responsibility away from our teachers. "It's the parents job to teach and follow up" and "a teachers recommendations carry as much weight as a bum on the street", yet you want to pay them more. Where I come from the more responsibility you have, the more you get paid. Not the other way around.

this will just fall on deaf ears. they praise the teachers and claim they have the hardest job in the world and then tell how only an idiot would listen to their recommendations.

[pinfish_mauler 0]

this will just fall on deaf ears. they praise the teachers and claim they have the hardest job in the world and then tell how only an idiot would listen to their recommendations.

 

 

***sarcasm on*** I'm glad you thoroughly read and attempted to understand all of the posts in the thread. ***sarcasm off***

[Toro 1]

this will just fall on deaf ears. they praise the teachers and claim they have the hardest job in the world and then tell how only an idiot would listen to their recommendations.

 

Teachers are not doctors.

 

I wouldn't ask Sux to do my taxes. Doesn't mean he isn't a good oil-changer.

[surferskin 30]

***sarcasm on*** I'm glad you thoroughly read and attempted to understand all of the posts in the thread. ***sarcasm off***

***go fock your mother***thanks ***go fock your mother***

 

Teachers are not doctors.

 

I wouldn't ask Sux to do my taxes. Doesn't mean he isn't a good oil-changer.

yeah, i can't speak for sux but i doubt recommends line item deductions after every lube change he gives.

[KSB2424 3,148]

If most teachers really have to do alot of parenting, counseling, and teaching then maybe they should be paid more. But if you are paid more, then stop focking complaining that you have to parent, counsel, and teach. You cannot have it both ways.

[TheNewGirl 1,491]

***go fock your mother***thanks ***go fock your mother***

yeah, i can't speak for sux but i doubt recommends line item deductions after every lube change he gives.

 

But it's kind of the same thing.

 

Sux gives free car advice: "Surfer, I recommend swapping out the starter and the distributor cap."

You take it to your actual mechanic, who looks at the car and says, "You just need some new spark plugs."

 

Same difference, if you ask me. ANYONE can give a recommendation. Whether or not you use that recommenedation or get a second opinion from a more qualified professional, it's your call. Likewise with the teacher recommending drugs and the parent going to a doctor and taking it from there.

[pinfish_mauler 0]

If most teachers really have to do alot of parenting, counseling, and teaching then maybe they should be paid more. But if you are paid more, then stop focking complaining that you have to parent, counsel, and teach. You cannot have it both ways.

 

Who's complaining?

[Toro 1]

If most teachers really have to do alot of parenting, counseling, and teaching then maybe they should be paid more. But if you are paid more, then stop focking complaining that you have to parent, counsel, and teach. You cannot have it both ways.

 

Most days of the week, for kids with working parents, the teacher spends more time with the child than the parent does.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Most days of the week, for kids with working parents, the teacher spends more time with the child than the parent does.

 

I think the disconnect for me is this: At some points in this thread you are pointing out how important teachers are in our kids lives, they spend more time with them than any parent does, they have way more responsibilities than just teaching, not to mention most actually went to school to learn how to teach, ect.

 

Yet the very next post you state how it's mainly the parents responsibility to teach their own kids, that a teacher has as much behavioral analysis of children as a grease monkey would, and they should not be responsible to counsel our children.

 

So if you think that teachers do so much more than teach then simply say as much and recommend that they are paid more because of this. If you do so, however you cannot also take away (or make excuses for) this added responsibilty that is being compensated for.

[Fervid Ro 0]

Most days of the week, for kids with working parents, the teacher spends more time with the child than the parent does.

teachers spend 40 hours a week with our kids. So I think they've earned some respect and decent pay.

 

Bad teachers should be held accountable and they are.

[Toro 1]

I think the disconnect for me is this: At some points in this thread you are pointing out how important teachers are in our kids lives, they spend more time with them than any parent does, they have way more responsibilities than just teaching, not to mention most actually went to school to learn how to teach, ect.

 

Yet the very next post you state how it's mainly the parents responsibility to teach their own kids, that a teacher has as much behavioral analysis of children as a grease monkey would, and they should not be responsible to counsel our children.

 

So if you think that teachers do so much more than teach then simply say as much and recommend that they are paid more because of this. If you do so, however you cannot also take away (or make excuses for) this added responsibilty that is being compensated for.

 

It is the parent's responsibility to ensure that the child receives an education. How hard is that for you to understand?

 

NO WHERE did I state that parents should be doing all the teaching. NO WHERE did I state "that a teacher has as much behavioral analysis of children as a grease monkey would". NO WHERE did I say that teachers should be counselors. HTH. :itisatipthatreadingcomprehension:

[lennie75 0]

teachers spend 40 hours a week with our kids. So I think they've earned some respect and decent pay.

 

Bad teachers should be held accountable and they are.

Here is where I think most people have a problem. I do not...actually I am pretty darn sure that 90% of teachers aren't bad. However, I disagree with you on your last statement. I feel that 90% of bad teachers are not held responsible.

[pinfish_mauler 0]

I think the disconnect for me is this: At some points in this thread you are pointing out how important teachers are in our kids lives, they spend more time with them than any parent does, they have way more responsibilities than just teaching, not to mention most actually went to school to learn how to teach, ect.

 

Yet the very next post you state how it's mainly the parents responsibility to teach their own kids, that a teacher has as much behavioral analysis of children as a grease monkey would, and they should not be responsible to counsel our children.

 

So if you think that teachers do so much more than teach then simply say as much and recommend that they are paid more because of this. If you do so, however you cannot also take away (or make excuses for) this added responsibilty that is being compensated for.

 

No one has said what is in bold in your quote. No one.

 

The point made was that parents have to begin taking an active role in their kids' education. There is a big difference between that and your quote.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I wouldn't ask Sux to do my taxes.

 

Is it not inferred in the analogy above that Teachers = Sux and Behaivoral analysis/recommendations of treatment = taxes?

[Fervid Ro 0]

Here is where I think most people have a problem. I do not...actually I am pretty darn sure that 90% of teachers aren't bad. However, I disagree with you on your last statement. I feel that 90% of bad teachers are not held responsible.

It can be hard to fire a teacher, that is true. So much training had been invested... that should be no excuse for protecting a bad teacher.

But there is a lot of pressure put on teachers whose students perform poorly on the SOLs. Also when parents complain about a teacher, it is stressful and unpleasant for that teacher. And it should be that way. They are held accountable.

 

I do wish that the people who don't enjoy working with kids would find something else to do.

But the teachers who work so hard should not be held accountable for those who don't.

 

Every profession has bad employees.

[Toro 1]

Is it not inferred in the analogy above that Teachers = Sux and Behaivoral analysis/recommendations of treatment = taxes?

 

We were talking about prescribing drugs.

 

Teachers are trained to recognize symptoms of learning disorders and suggest that the child get evaluated further. HTH.

[KSB2424 3,148]

Our nation is full of dumbasses.

 

Parents fault.

 

Sounds like someone is taking responsiblity away from the teachers to me.

[Toro 1]

Sounds like someone is taking responsiblity away from the teachers to me.

 

It is the parent's responsibility to ensure that the child receives an education. How hard is that for you to understand and do I need to keep repeating myself over and over?

[lennie75 0]

It is the parent's responsibility to ensure that the child receives an education. How hard is that for you to understand and do I need to keep repeating myself over and over?

Correct...the problem arises in the 8 hours the kid is at school. What can the parrent do...ask for a new teacher.

 

This is my opinion: It is the parents job to make sure the teacher is doing his/her job. Therefore, ask questios with your kids...meet your teachers. Find out what they are studying...then if you don't like anything complain to the teacher...ask for a different teacher that you have heard is good through friends. Ah ha...but then you come into how teachers hate for parents to intervene with their teaching...sure the good parents can hound you do death... but they've got to be better than the ones who could give a crap less about thier kids schooling...and don't even send them to school with supplies.

[pinfish_mauler 0]

Our nation is full of dumbasses.

Sounds like someone is taking responsiblity away from the teachers to me.

 

 

How obtuse can you be? Do you understand anything about context?

 

Here is another quote from Toro:

 

It is the parents responsibility to ensure that there children are getting an education. That typically means making sure they are behaving, doing their homework, studying and making good grades and making sure the teacher is doing her part.

 

He's not taking responsiblility from the teacher - he, like most people, wants parents to do their jobs and stop ignoring their kids.

[Toro 1]

Correct...the problem arises in the 8 hours the kid is at school. What can the parrent do...ask for a new teacher.

 

Yes. And the school will comply.

[KSB2424 3,148]

How obtuse can you be? Do you understand anything about context?

 

I was actually thinking the same of you after your response to my post a few posts up.

 

So lemme ask you a direct question: Do you think teachers are under paid and why?

[pinfish_mauler 0]

I was actually thinking the same of you after your response to my post a few posts up.

 

So lemme ask you a direct question: Do you think teacher are under paid and why?

 

 

No. At least not in my region. There are teachers in other regions that are grossly underpaid. There are also teachers in other regions that are grossly overpaid.

 

This mainly has to do with demographics. I live in an upper middle class area with a large and wealthy tax base that values education. This allows teachers to be paid well (10 years experience with a Masters degree gets paid approx. $50k per year) In other areas of my state, the tax base is tiny and the teachers are not paid nearly what they are worth.

 

My problem with this thread has not been "teachers need to be paid more". The problem I have had is with the folks who want to take away from what the teachers are already being paid.

[remote controller 143]

deadhorse

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

It is the parent's responsibility to ensure that the child receives an education. How hard is that for you to understand and do I need to keep repeating myself over and over?

 

If so, please explain to me why we have schools at all? If the teachers are not responsible for kids getting educated then they are just grossly overpaid babysitters. And, yes, I was very active in all my kid's education but most of the time was uncertian whether they actually learned very much in school until I put them in private school.

 

Another note about Milw Public School System. I mentioned the incredible health plan they have (0 copay, 100% coverage). It is never shopped to different insurers. Why? The Teacher's Union pension fund is the majority owner of the insurer. If that were to change there would be a strike.

[Vic_Rattlehead 0]

If so, please explain to me why we have schools at all? If the teachers are not responsible for kids getting educated then they are just grossly overpaid babysitters. And, yes, I was very active in all my kid's education but most of the time was uncertian whether they actually learned very much in school until I put them in private school.

 

Another note about Milw Public School System. I mentioned the incredible health plan they have (0 copay, 100% coverage). It is never shopped to different insurers. Why? The Teacher's Union pension fund is the majority owner of the insurer. If that were to change there would be a strike.

 

Sounds like someone got some cvm in their hair this morning ...

[Toro 1]

If so, please explain to me why we have schools at all? If the teachers are not responsible for kids getting educated then they are just grossly overpaid babysitters.

 

Go back and reread this whole thread. I have said it three times before and I refuse to repeat myself to illiterate dumbasses. HTH. TIA.

[remote controller 143]

[NewbieJr 541]

 

Teachers are overpaid and it's the world's easiest job, yet, instead of becoming one, I'll just ###### about it. Blah, blah, blah..............

[remote controller 143]

 

Teachers are overpaid and it's the world's easiest job, yet, instead of becoming one, I'll just ###### about it. Blah, blah, blah..............

We've won this arguement in a walk. Let's let them lick their wounds in peace.

[rallo 136]

 

Teachers are overpaid and it's the world's easiest job, yet, instead of becoming one, I'll just ###### about it. Blah, blah, blah..............

 

i'm gonna become a panhandler....

 

sh1t... 60 grand just to go bug people... I'M IN