So sick of the teacher is underpaid crap!

[surferskin 30]

So you think teachers placed in poor, urban and downtrodden areas with historically low test scores should be punished for not "being effective"?

 

Again, you think about one foot ahead of where you are walking, huh?

no, i think we should give every ineffective teacher an A++++ for trying and a raise!

[Jessy 0]

But, you do not receive elevations in pay by your performance...it is usually given out based on waht is budgeted for all teachers.

 

There are plenty of school districts that are starting to pay based on performance. The program is called Q Comp in Minnesota.

 

Otherwise, teachers are paid based on seniority/education level, not what is budgeted for all teachers. I don't even know what that means.

[lennie75 0]

In 2003-2004:

Average Minnesota teacher's salary: $45,010.

Average beginning teacher's salary in Minnesota: $30,772

 

In 2005:

The average income for adults with a bachelor's degree in Minnesota is higher than the $48,417 national average.

http://www.nea.org/edstats/RankFull06b.htm

By State

for you Snoop

[wiffleball 4,790]

I think most of y'all are missing the bigger picture. - School Administrators.

 

 

There's a crapload of money out there for education & increasing teacher's salaries. However, if you start doing a quantitative analysis of where that money goes - especially if you break-out salaries (the topic at hand), a hugely disproportionate chunk of money goes to those how don't even teach. Our Education system has gotten horribly out of control - mostly thanks to the NEA, but also thanks to idiot lawmakers. It is horribly bloated - and populated by tier after tier of 'administrators' pulling in hella jack salaries while contributing little or nothing to the education of children.

 

If you want to sound 'edumacated' on this debate, start looking looking at org charts and salary budgets in your own local system. We're not just talking about the administrators in the schools that you're familiar with, we're talking about entire complexes dedicated not to education, but to a whole cadre of administrators and bureacrats that are funded by your tax dollars - and whom you'll NEVER meet at the next Parent-Teacher conference.

 

The best thing we could do is to eliminate the NEA and the DOE and keep it local. The two worst things guaranteed to create inefficiency, waste, fraud and bloating are the Federal Gubmint and Unions. - And the education system is rife with both. - But that's an entirely different thread.

[lennie75 0]

There are plenty of school districts that are starting to pay based on performance. The program is called Q Comp in Minnesota.

 

Otherwise, teachers are paid based on seniority/education level, not what is budgeted for all teachers. I don't even know what that means.

It means that the state has 3% budgeted for increases in pay for all teachers. As you said this is given out based on seniority/education level...not their performance in the classroom. I think the program you are mentioning is a great thing..at least in concept.

 

but, around where I live teachers are fighting programs like that tooth and nail.

[Toro 1]

no, i think we should give every ineffective teacher an A++++ for trying and a raise!

 

You shouldn't be thinking anything about it because you don't really know sh*t about it, bucky.

[Sho Nuff 720]

It means that the state has 3% budgeted for increases in pay for all teachers. As you said this is given out based on seniority/education level...not their performance in the classroom. I think the program you are mentioning is a great thing..at least in concept.

 

but, around where I live teachers are fighting programs like that tooth and nail.

 

 

Most of the time, those are for cost of living increases...and don't even cover the rise in insurance cost for the year.

 

http://www.nea.org/edstats/RankFull06b.htm

By State

for you Snoop

 

and your average salary information for those with a bachelors degree came from?

[surferskin 30]

You shouldn't be thinking anything about it because you don't really know sh*t about it, bucky.

spicoli, gidget and bucky...that's good stuff.

[mighty_thor 115]

Once again, you'll never meet a teacher that makes more than 90k. Imagine working at a job where there is absolutely no financial incentive for being the best.

 

Maybe I won't but I'm sure my son will. There are 83 teachers who make more than 90,000 at the high school my son will attend some day. 53 of them make more than 100,000. Its no wonder my property taxes are are so ###### high!

http://www.thechampion.org/teachers.asp?di...;sortOrder=DESC

[Toro 1]

spicoli, gidget and bucky...that's good stuff.

 

Thanks. I am trying to be funny again.

 

thekeywordistrying

 

Maybe I won't but I'm sure my son will. There are 83 teachers who make more than 90,000 at the high school my son will attend some day. 53 of them make more than 100,000. Its no wonder my property taxes are are so ###### high!

http://www.thechampion.org/teachers.asp?di...;sortOrder=DESC

 

WTF?

 

Seriously, if I could make 80k as a teacher in high school teaching computer science, I would be there in a HEARTBEAT!!!!! I am talking quit my job TOMORROW!!!!

 

[mighty_thor 115]

Thanks. I am trying to be funny again.

 

thekeywordistrying

WTF?

 

Seriously, if I could make 80k as a teacher in high school teaching computer science, I would be there in a HEARTBEAT!!!!! I am talking quit my job TOMORROW!!!!

 

 

Pack up the truck and move to the Chicago North Shore. All the high schools in this area pay around that. The average salary at our high school is 80k. Of course the houses and taxes aren't cheap either.

[S.D. Jones 0]

The unproductive fuckers that sit on message boards all day bitching about teachers being overpaid should probably look at themselves in the mirror before they judge. Except most of you are poor, so its probably a bad analogy.

[naomi 356]

Well I've grown up in a family (three dependents) that was never not living under the poverty line having both parents being teachers. No debt or anything of the manner, but simply salaries not matching the cost of living. At the same time my mom has often used her own money to pay for supplies the school didn't have, and she spends at least half of every day lesson planning. It actually drives me a bit crazy seeing someone work that much. So, fock off

 

In seriousness, what Wiffle said about administrators, the details Toro offered about his wife, etc., are realities. I'm sure you have people who shouldn't be teaching in the proffesion as an 'easy' way out, but what's required by teachers and met by good/strectched thin ones and the treatment they get IS disproportionate. Have to look at it by a state by state level though.

[Snoopy1 0]

Maybe I won't but I'm sure my son will. There are 83 teachers who make more than 90,000 at the high school my son will attend some day. 53 of them make more than 100,000. Its no wonder my property taxes are are so ###### high!

http://www.thechampion.org/teachers.asp?di...;sortOrder=DESC

 

 

Must be an incredible school district, I saw one teacher, 29 years making 130K!!!!

[Toro 1]

Pack up the truck and move to the Chicago North Shore. All the high schools in this area pay around that. The average salary at our high school is 80k. Of course the houses and taxes aren't cheap either.

 

But it's cold up there.

 

Wonder what my house (2100 sq feet, 12,000 sq foot lot) would cost up there?

[TD Ryan2 316]

I think most of y'all are missing the bigger picture. - School Administrators.

There's a crapload of money out there for education & increasing teacher's salaries. However, if you start doing a quantitative analysis of where that money goes - especially if you break-out salaries (the topic at hand), a hugely disproportionate chunk of money goes to those how don't even teach. Our Education system has gotten horribly out of control - mostly thanks to the NEA, but also thanks to idiot lawmakers. It is horribly bloated - and populated by tier after tier of 'administrators' pulling in hella jack salaries while contributing little or nothing to the education of children.

 

If you want to sound 'edumacated' on this debate, start looking looking at org charts and salary budgets in your own local system. We're not just talking about the administrators in the schools that you're familiar with, we're talking about entire complexes dedicated not to education, but to a whole cadre of administrators and bureacrats that are funded by your tax dollars - and whom you'll NEVER meet at the next Parent-Teacher conference.

 

The best thing we could do is to eliminate the NEA and the DOE and keep it local. The two worst things guaranteed to create inefficiency, waste, fraud and bloating are the Federal Gubmint and Unions. - And the education system is rife with both. - But that's an entirely different thread.

that's what I said on page 2:

 

 

I wouldn't want to be a teacher.

 

but from my experience, it's the administrators that are overpaid, not the actual teachers.

 

School superintendents are the biggest hack/overpaid, red-tape creating, clowns out there and most of them are making double and triple what the teachers make.

 

The problems with our schools is in part because of the "workers" (i.e. teachers), but mostly it's because of poor management, poor budgeting, poor use of resources, etc. You can't just blame the workers when the organization is focked starting at the top.

[Ilov80s 0]

Have to add that everyone complaining about administrators- you are right. They suck.

 

But they suck for a reason. The government creates these monsters. There are so many focking pieces of paperwork that have to be completed in triplicate; you can't take have a conversation with a child without documenting it. (be aware I am in special ed. which is a complete disaster IMO) The national government and even state governments attempting to strongly control local schools just creates a beaucratic mess. Schools can't do something because everyone involved in the situation agrees it would be helpful, because there is some law out there that is telling everybody what to do. School of today is not about, "how can we help kids". It is about "how can get the best looking statistics." The kids are not the focus, its all about the numbers. Thats got to go.

 

 

<begin rant>

Michigan now has the toughest graduation requirements in the nation. In 2 years, all of my caseload will have to take Geometry. I have kids who have not yet mastered the 4 basic functions. Now, I will get to spend 50 minutes a day, 5 days a week, 10 months a year teaching these kids how an obtuse angle is different from a right angle. Then when the kid graduates from high school and they go looking for a job (looking isn't the right word, when students are this low-functioning they often are placed in jobs and group homes) but anyway, when they go looking for a job (the kind of jobs an adult with the IQ of a dumb 8 year old might fit the bill for) they can tell their potential employer that they know the difference between an obtuse angle and right angle. They can tell them that octagons have 6 sides (think about it). They might not be able to balance a checkbook, count change, pay bills, buy groceries, change a lightbulb, grill a steak, peel a potato, mop a floor, or do anything that might be actually useful in their life. This <retarded/slow/mentally challenged/cognitively impaired* child only has so much time before being tossed to the real world**, why waste our time teaching him about geometry???

<end rant>

 

 

*"That which we call a rose by any other word would smell as sweet". Except these kids usually don't smell anything like roses. So why do the names for these kinds of things keep changing? I simply can not believe an organized mass of thousands of retards came together and held a vote to be no longer known as retarded, but instead to be "slow". Then later, thousands of slow people raised a petition to now become Mentally Challenged! (sounds like a cheesey game show hosted by Mark Summers). In the recent years, maybe because of Columbine or 9/11, Mentally Challenged has been removed. Its just too aggressive and bold. Think Washington Bullets became the Washington Wizards. That is how we got the very needy and sympathy-inducing, Cognitively Impaired.

 

**MTV should cast a person with a cognitive impairment on the show. First thought- thats f'n hillarious! Second thought- am I going to hell now? Third thought- They really should do it. They have everyone else on the globe represented, but no people with disabilities. Not even a blind person? Thats the real world right there.

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Wow, I don't post much during the day and had no idea this thread was still around. So, I will give you my reasons for starting it. Personal frustration with public education and the pay whining.

 

1. My oldest son could not continue to get any math education at all in the public school system after Soph year in HS while attending HS advanced math classes since 7th grade. If he were disabled in any way, there was $ for him for anything he needed. He single handedly won the HS state math contest fo his HS math team as an 8th grader. My daughter followed the same path. Had to enroll him in private school for HS because the public school had nothing for him after his Soph year. He graduated HS with 16 college credits because they worked out a program with local UW. Public school people didn't even made a phone call.

 

2. My youngest son was sent home with a letter in second grade saying he was "not co-operative in math class and a parental meeting was necessary." I went and took my son. He was in 2nd grade and took a book to read in the corner. Teacher said "he raises his hand at every math question but refuses to grasp the why." I was lost and asked her what she meant. She gave the example that "the question was that you have 12 friends coming to your B'day party and 7 have arrived. How many are yet to come?" He immediately answered 5. She said "why?" He did not understand the ?. She wanted him to count ON HIS FINGERS TO GET THE ANSWER! He would not do it because he saw no reason to. I yelled across the room to him "Jamie, what's 6x7? He looked up from his book and said 42." I looked at the teacher and asked "give me one reason why you are teaching this kid simple addition by counting on his fingers?" She said "well, he needs to understand why." Me, "why does H come in the alphabet after B?" Her, "it just does." Me, "and 12-7=5, he understands that why don't you. Our next meeting is with the Principle for holding my kid back. Then, it's the school board." He was in 4th grade for math within a week.

 

3. I am an insurance agent. A friend and client asked me to go to a repair shop to get some papers out of his wife's glove box after a fender bender as the repair place was 2 blks from where I live. There was her pay stub. $98,000/yr for a librarian with a Masters and 20+yrs. Gave me gas and was glad it was just that.

 

4. Was a LL coach for 18 yrs. Had a kid with ADD. He was so focked up and inept he was gonna get hurt. Told his Mom after 2 practices, "don't bring him back here on the Ridelin." Long story short, his Dad watched everything I did with the kid, coached him in the off season. Ran into the Mom in the grocery store end of the next summer and the kid had gone from D's-F's to solid B's, off Ridelin made the All Star team and his teacher's now loved him. The reason he started Ridelin was because of the teachers.

 

Sorry for the long rant but, teacher's in Milw Public Schools make a ton of $ for the hours they actually work and probably hurt our best and brightest while doing nothing but babysit the other end of the scale. All the while making incredible $.

[NewbieJr 541]

Wow, I don't post much during the day and had no idea this thread was still around. So, I will give you my reasons for starting it. Personal frustration with public education and the pay whining.

 

1. My oldest son could not continue to get any math education at all in the public school system after Soph year in HS while attending HS advanced math classes since 7th grade. If he were disabled in any way, there was $ for him for anything he needed. He single handedly won the HS state math contest fo his HS math team as an 8th grader. My daughter followed the same path. Had to enroll him in private school for HS because the public school had nothing for him after his Soph year. He graduated HS with 16 college credits because they worked out a program with local UW. Public school people didn't even made a phone call.

 

2. My youngest son was sent home with a letter in second grade saying he was "not co-operative in math class and a parental meeting was necessary." I went and took my son. He was in 2nd grade and took a book to read in the corner. Teacher said "he raises his hand at every math question but refuses to grasp the why." I was lost and asked her what she meant. She gave the example that "the question was that you have 12 friends coming to your B'day party and 7 have arrived. How many are yet to come?" He immediately answered 5. She said "why?" He did not understand the ?. She wanted him to count ON HIS FINGERS TO GET THE ANSWER! He would not do it because he saw no reason to. I yelled across the room to him "Jamie, what's 6x7? He looked up from his book and said 42." I looked at the teacher and asked "give me one reason why you are teaching this kid simple addition by counting on his fingers?" She said "well, he needs to understand why." Me, "why does H come in the alphabet after B?" Her, "it just does." Me, "and 12-7=5, he understands that why don't you. Our next meeting is with the Principle for holding my kid back. Then, it's the school board." He was in 4th grade for math within a week.

 

3. I am an insurance agent. A friend and client asked me to go to a repair shop to get some papers out of his wife's glove box after a fender bender as the repair place was 2 blks from where I live. There was her pay stub. $98,000/yr for a librarian with a Masters and 20+yrs. Gave me gas and was glad it was just that.

 

4. Was a LL coach for 18 yrs. Had a kid with ADD. He was so focked up and inept he was gonna get hurt. Told his Mom after 2 practices, "don't bring him back here on the Ridelin." Long story short, his Dad watched everything I did with the kid, coached him in the off season. Ran into the Mom in the grocery store end of the next summer and the kid had gone from D's-F's to solid B's, off Ridelin made the All Star team and his teacher's now loved him. The reason he started Ridelin was because of the teachers.

 

Sorry for the long rant but, teacher's in Milw Public Schools make a ton of $ for the hours they actually work and probably hurt our best and brightest while doing nothing but babysit the other end of the scale. All the while making incredible $.

Easy job., Great money. Sounds like you should change professions. So should everyone.

[pinfish_mauler 0]

Wow, I don't post much during the day and had no idea this thread was still around. So, I will give you my reasons for starting it. Personal frustration with public education and the pay whining.

 

 

 

1. Teachers do not determine how a school's budget is divied up. You can blame the Gubm'nt and the ADA for putting a large amount of the budget into areas other than advanced math. Math is available up through AP Calculus in this area.

 

2. Sounds like a teacher who was out of touch with your child's ability and understanding. Glad you got the situation rectified.

 

3. Completely regional. The cost of living must be pretty high where you live. Media Center specialists in this area with the same degree and same experience make $30,000 less than your friend's wife. Seriously.

 

4. The teachers may have recommended Ritalin, but the doctor and parents had to agree on the prescription and dosage. I know that sounds lame, but understand I am not trying to pass blame away from the teacher. There were other people besides the teacher that had to agree with the treatment in order for it to occur. Many teachers have moved away from recommending drugs. I'm curious as to how this relates to teacher's salaries, which seemed to be the topic of your frustration.

 

 

I know you were ranting, but I still felt the need to defend an honorable profession.

[Ilov80s 0]

Wow, I don't post much during the day and had no idea this thread was still around. So, I will give you my reasons for starting it. Personal frustration with public education and the pay whining.

 

1. My oldest son could not continue to get any math education at all in the public school system after Soph year in HS while attending HS advanced math classes since 7th grade. If he were disabled in any way, there was $ for him for anything he needed. He single handedly won the HS state math contest fo his HS math team as an 8th grader. My daughter followed the same path. Had to enroll him in private school for HS because the public school had nothing for him after his Soph year. He graduated HS with 16 college credits because they worked out a program with local UW. Public school people didn't even made a phone call.

 

2. My youngest son was sent home with a letter in second grade saying he was "not co-operative in math class and a parental meeting was necessary." I went and took my son. He was in 2nd grade and took a book to read in the corner. Teacher said "he raises his hand at every math question but refuses to grasp the why." I was lost and asked her what she meant. She gave the example that "the question was that you have 12 friends coming to your B'day party and 7 have arrived. How many are yet to come?" He immediately answered 5. She said "why?" He did not understand the ?. She wanted him to count ON HIS FINGERS TO GET THE ANSWER! He would not do it because he saw no reason to. I yelled across the room to him "Jamie, what's 6x7? He looked up from his book and said 42." I looked at the teacher and asked "give me one reason why you are teaching this kid simple addition by counting on his fingers?" She said "well, he needs to understand why." Me, "why does H come in the alphabet after B?" Her, "it just does." Me, "and 12-7=5, he understands that why don't you. Our next meeting is with the Principle for holding my kid back. Then, it's the school board." He was in 4th grade for math within a week.

 

3. I am an insurance agent. A friend and client asked me to go to a repair shop to get some papers out of his wife's glove box after a fender bender as the repair place was 2 blks from where I live. There was her pay stub. $98,000/yr for a librarian with a Masters and 20+yrs. Gave me gas and was glad it was just that.

 

4. Was a LL coach for 18 yrs. Had a kid with ADD. He was so focked up and inept he was gonna get hurt. Told his Mom after 2 practices, "don't bring him back here on the Ridelin." Long story short, his Dad watched everything I did with the kid, coached him in the off season. Ran into the Mom in the grocery store end of the next summer and the kid had gone from D's-F's to solid B's, off Ridelin made the All Star team and his teacher's now loved him. The reason he started Ridelin was because of the teachers.

 

Sorry for the long rant but, teacher's in Milw Public Schools make a ton of $ for the hours they actually work and probably hurt our best and brightest while doing nothing but babysit the other end of the scale. All the while making incredible $.

 

 

1. If he was disabled, he would be offered special education services. That can vary from very good to a pile of garbage. Back to your problem, I suspect poor administration. Just like at any team or business, a large group needs good leadership. Like a conductor. If the school doesn't have a plan for how to handle advanced students, then their curriculum is poorly planned. The teachers don't get to choose what classes they will teach; administration has right-to-placement. Don't forget each city, district, county, state, and national government has added their piecemeal 2 cents here and there. Teachers hands are really tied.

 

 

2. I think your point is obvious here. That sounds like a very stupid person teaching that second grade class. It happens. If you work with 50 people or more, look around. Tell me that you aren't currently surround by a handful of pure idiots.

 

3. I don't know where you live, but that teacher seems to be making some good money. Do they have any special ed. openings at her school? In Michigan, libraries are out and Media Centers are in. The librarians are often now in-charge of school technology and go by Media Specialists. These librarians often teach classes on-top of running the library. Its a legit job at a high school.

 

 

4. A teacher can not prescribe any drug.

[Toro 1]

He single handedly won the HS state math contest fo his HS math team as an 8th grader.

 

You kid is a mathlete.

 

NERD#!!!@#!$@#!@!@$#

[TheNewGirl 1,496]

Wow, I don't post much during the day and had no idea this thread was still around. So, I will give you my reasons for starting it. Personal frustration with public education and the pay whining.

 

 

 

4. Was a LL coach for 18 yrs. Had a kid with ADD. He was so focked up and inept he was gonna get hurt. Told his Mom after 2 practices, "don't bring him back here on the Ridelin." Long story short, his Dad watched everything I did with the kid, coached him in the off season. Ran into the Mom in the grocery store end of the next summer and the kid had gone from D's-F's to solid B's, off Ridelin made the All Star team and his teacher's now loved him. The reason he started Ridelin was because of the teachers.

 

Sorry for the long rant but, teacher's in Milw Public Schools make a ton of $ for the hours they actually work and probably hurt our best and brightest while doing nothing but babysit the other end of the scale. All the while making incredible $.

 

I have to comment on this. The teacher, as many hav eall ready said, can only make recommendations to parents...but they can't prescribe the drugs nor can they administer the drugs TO the kids if the parents don't bring them to school. Parents and doctors decide about drugs, even more so the parents than the doctors. Seriously. I can go to a doctor, they can tell me that my son needs Ritalin, even GIVE me some...but it will be ultimately up to me if I give it to HIM or not...same with any drug.

[surferskin 30]

I have to comment on this. The teacher, as many hav eall ready said, can only make recommendations to parents...but they can't prescribe the drugs nor can they administer the drugs TO the kids if the parents don't bring them to school. Parents and doctors decide about drugs, even more so the parents than the doctors. Seriously. I can go to a doctor, they can tell me that my son needs Ritalin, even GIVE me some...but it will be ultimately up to me if I give it to HIM or not...same with any drug.

then how the fock are teacher's qualified to make recommendations for drugs? do they go through any training to identify what drugs a child should be taking? sounds like they should just mind their own focking bidness.

[edjr 6,607]

I didn't do a god damn thing in high school, I did no homework, I never studied, I graduated 208th out of 230 students, I didn't go to college and I make more than most high school teachers.

 

My point? High school teachers are USELESS. I didn't need them, why should anyone else?

[Toro 1]

then how the fock are teacher's qualified to make recommendations for drugs? do they go through any training to identify what drugs a child should be taking? sounds like they should just mind their own focking bidness.

 

Actually, teachers are trained (at least in Texas) to identify the signs of common learning disabilities, such as dyslexia and ADD.

 

And again, if my teacher recommends my child go on drugs, I might want to get a second opinion.

[surferskin 30]

Actually, teachers are trained (at least in Texas) to identify the signs of common learning disabilities, such as dyslexia and ADD.

 

And again, if my teacher recommends my child go on drugs, I might want to get a second opinion.

does that necessarily mean that they have an business recommending drugs?

[Toro 1]

does that necessarily mean that they have an business recommending drugs?

 

Actually, I doubt the conversation went "Your kid needs Ritalin". More like, your kid shows the signs of ADD. But I will absolutely agree that teachers have no business recommending treatment. BUT they are in a perfect position to discuss observation of symptoms of a learning disability.

 

But that is not the freaking point, dude. Quit focking blaming other people for what is ultimately the parents responsibility. I'm not qualified to recommend drugs. Neither are teachers. If a parent decides to put their child on drugs, it's the parent's call. Not the teacher.

[surferskin 30]

Actually, I doubt the conversation went "Your kid needs Ritalin". More like, your kid shows the signs of ADD. But I will absolutely agree that teachers have no business recommending treatment. BUT they are in a perfect position to discuss observation of symptoms of a learning disability.

exactly, teachers could certainly identify what the think is the problem and let the parent go from there...that's it, end of discussion.

 

But that is not the freaking point, dude. Quit focking blaming other people for what is ultimately the parents responsibility. I'm not qualified to recommend drugs. Neither are teachers. If a parent decides to put their child on drugs, it's the parent's call. Not the teacher.

just because i'm not dumb enough to let a teacher tell me how to raise my kids, doesn't mean there isn't plenty that are...

[Toro 1]

just because i'm not dumb enough to let a teacher tell me how to raise my kids, doesn't mean there isn't plenty that are...

 

True dat. But again, I know for a fact that teachers (again, from speaking to my wife) are trained to identify symptoms and recommend testing and further diagnosis, not to recommend a drug. But if a parent asks "what kind of drugs are used to treat ADD", the answer of Ritalin or any other drug isn't a recommendation. Again, that's the reason that teachers don't prescribe drugs. If they could, then every kid would be on it.

[phillybear 366]

52k would make you just a notch above poor in the Northeast.

Therefore, I am poor.

[TheNewGirl 1,496]

then how the fock are teacher's qualified to make recommendations for drugs? do they go through any training to identify what drugs a child should be taking? sounds like they should just mind their own focking bidness.

 

 

Dood, anyone can make a recommendation.

 

"I recommend that you drink a beer or two and shove your finger in your azz."

 

[Toro 1]

"I recommend that you drink a beer or two and shove your finger in your azz."

 

Done and DONE!!!

[pinfish_mauler 0]

Dood, anyone can make a recommendation.

 

"I recommend that you drink a beer or two and shove your finger in your azz."

 

 

 

Toro and TNG are exactly right.

[phillybear 366]

 

Toro and TNG are exactly right.

 

I think this is the appropriate time for a purely speculative supposition....

 

I suspect they are in agreement due to their sexual tension.

[Ilov80s 0]

I was taught to never recommend any type of drug or suggest any type of condition exists. The teachers job is to explain the problematic classroom behaviors so that doctors, parents, and therapists can best analyze the situation. If the parents ask me questions, I will answer honestly. But I would never just interject my opiion.

[Toro 1]

I was taught not to never recommend

 

Me fail english? That's unpossible.

[surferskin 30]

Dood, anyone can make a recommendation.

 

"I recommend that you drink a beer or two and shove your finger in your azz."

 

yeah, that's different. some people view teachers as people of authority...and their opinions/recommendations carry weight. you on the otherhand are a fat, stupid attention hoor...no one gives a shat what you think/recommend.

[Toro 1]

some people view teachers as people of authority...and their opinions/recommendations carry weight.

 

dumb people.

[TheNewGirl 1,496]

yeah, that's different. some people view teachers as people of authority...and their opinions/recommendations carry weight. you on the otherhand are a fat, stupid attention hoor...no one gives a shat what you think/recommend.

 

 

Ah, yes, let's start in with the personal insults, shall we? Those always add so much more to the conversation. Oh no!@#@! You used the oldest focking jokes in the book!@#@! You sure told me off!@#@! I have been hearing those SAME things for the last THREE YEARS, and I am still around. Fockin' A. Get some new material.

 

 

 

At any rate, teachers are NOT people of authority. Their opinions may carry some weight, however, without proper attention and observation from the PARENTS their opinions and recommendations don't mean much. The PARENTS need to pay more attention. If the teacher told me something to take note of, personally *I* would watch it. I wouldn't haul my kid to the doctor to get drugs just because a teacher thought it would be a good idea. Gimme a break. That's just lazy parenting.