Really think this is gonna backfire on the Dems

[wiffleball 4,790]

Look, we GET that the Dems in Congress wanted to send a clear message to the President with the Iraq supplemental. And, if you read the bill, it's been pretty horribly mischaracterized by the GOP and the idiot press - who're too stupid and/or lazy to read the bill.

 

But, at the end of the day, it's a bill that everyone knew the Prez would veto long before it was even passed in Congress. SHOULD the President sign some kind of bill that requires some kind of Accountability and Progress on the part of the worthless Iraqi government? Yes. WILL he? No. Fine. You made your point.

 

Now, they're focking up. They've foot-dragged on even GETTING the bill to the Prez. Most believe that they'll send it over today. The anniversary of the infamous "Mission Accomplished" speech. Big Whup.

 

Moreover, they CW is that Congress will drag their feet on passing a bill with no timetables. They're going to try and drag it through the summer so that they can then have a referendum (of sorts) on the lack of progress on the so-called "surge."

 

In the meantime, they're holding up funding for equipment - specifically $3 Billion for 2,500 IED-resistant vehicles. that give our troops a 3-4 times better chance of surviving an IED/mine attack.

 

In the meantime, they're holding up minimum wage increases for poor working families.

 

In the meantime, they're holding up funding for equipment for active duty soldiers and better treatment for wounded veterans.

 

And on, and on...

 

This is going to bite them on the axx. They're cutting off their nose to spite their face; They're not just pixxing off conservatives, but their BASE - The poor - Who rely on minimum wage & whose sons and daughters make up the majority of our fighting force.

 

You made your focking point. Now shotgun a bill that CAN be passed ASAP to the President and move the fock on.

[Snuff 10]

This is surprising?

[MDC 7,405]

Polls show that a clear majority of Americans favor a timetable - why would it hurt Democrats in Congress?

[Snoopy1 0]

But, at the end of the day, it's a bill that everyone knew the Prez would veto long before it was even passed in Congress. SHOULD the President sign some kind of bill that requires some kind of Accountability and Progress on the part of the worthless Iraqi government?

America will change our approach to help the Iraqi government as it works to meet these benchmarks. In keeping with the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, we will increase the embedding of American advisers in Iraqi Army units, and partner a coalition brigade with every Iraqi Army division. We will help the Iraqis build a larger and better-equipped army, and we will accelerate the training of Iraqi forces, which remains the essential U.S. security mission in Iraq. We will give our commanders and civilians greater flexibility to spend funds for economic assistance. We will double the number of provincial reconstruction teams. These teams bring together military and civilian experts to help local Iraqi communities pursue reconciliation, strengthen the moderates, and speed the transition to Iraqi self-reliance. And Secretary Rice will soon appoint a reconstruction coordinator in Baghdad to ensure better results for economic assistance being spent in Iraq. President Bush Jan 07, 2007

 

So he's laid out a course of action, but doesn't want to be held accountable to it...

 

 

In the meantime, they're holding up funding for equipment - specifically $3 Billion for 2,500 IED-resistant vehicles. that give our troops a 3-4 times better chance of surviving an IED/mine attack.

 

Why has it taken 4 years to get these?

 

In the meantime, they're holding up minimum wage increases for poor working families.

 

Why the heck was this packaged with the supplemental war spending?

 

 

better treatment for wounded veterans.

 

Another why the fock has this taken so long to do? Shouldn't be something being discussed in 2007, but 2004 at the friggin latest.

[Mungwater 597]

Polls show that a clear majority of Americans favor a timetable - why would it hurt Democrats in Congress?

 

Well apparently a clear majority of americans didn't pay attention in history class

[DrJ 0]

And, if you read the bill, it's been pretty horribly mischaracterized by the GOP and the idiot press - who're too stupid and/or lazy to read the bill.

 

And Obama, who said in the Democratic debates that we are one signature away from ending the war.

 

Scary thing is, he voted for it and he didn't even read it.

[wiffleball 4,790]

Polls show that a clear majority of Americans favor a timetable - why would it hurt Democrats in Congress?

 

I don't know that I've seen that poll, but assuming so:

 

The 'timetable' thing isn't gonna hurt them. That's my point; They made their point, they got GWB and most of the GOP on record as being against the timetable stategery. Now, get the fock moving. Nothing to be gained - and a lot to be lost - by any more footdragging now.

[MDC 7,405]

I don't know that I've seen that poll, but assuming so:

 

The 'timetable' thing isn't gonna hurt them. That's my point; They made their point, they got GWB and most of the GOP on record as being against the timetable stategery. Now, get the fock moving. Nothing to be gained - and a lot to be lost - by any more footdragging now.

 

I'm sure they're going to reach a compromise, probably by sending a bill that includes some loose benchmarks in very weak language to the White House. I think this hurts Bush as much as it hurts the Democrats - they're sending DOA bills to the White House and he's shooting them down for no good reason. But eventually Congress will have to blink because they have to worry about reelection and Bush doesn't.

[Snoopy1 0]

I don't know that I've seen that poll, but assuming so:

 

The 'timetable' thing isn't gonna hurt them. That's my point; They made their point, they got GWB and most of the GOP on record as being against the timetable stategery. Now, get the fock moving. Nothing to be gained - and a lot to be lost - by any more footdragging now.

 

 

How about this, why is it just a "point" to prove? It was this type of extreme arm twisting that finally led to the US leaving Viet Nam. If MDC is correct and a majority of Americans want the US troops out of Iraq, or a timetable detailing it, shouldn't the people who represent them stand their ground with the President?

[wiffleball 4,790]

But eventually Congress will have to blink because they have to worry about reelection and Bush doesn't.

 

Exactly. And when one of the most popular videos on CNN today is a story about how the super-dooper kick-axx IED resistant vehicles aren't getting built, and when yesterday's story all over the newsnets was how the min wage wasn't going up, this is where Congress starts dying the death of a thousand cuts. They made what political point they could, now there's nothing but downside in beating a dead horse.

[Snuff 10]

worry about reelection and Bush doesn't.

 

Did you sport some wood when you typed that?

[Toro 1]

I don't understand.

 

Are the minimum wage increase, current funding for the war and appropriations for the soldier's hospitals all in the exact same bill?

[jerryskids 6,790]

This is holding up the minimum wage increase?

 

I like the Dems more than I thought.

[Snoopy1 0]

I don't understand.

 

Are the minimum wage increase, current funding for the war and appropriations for the soldier's hospitals all in the exact same bill?

 

 

Maybe they can slip the repeal of internet gambling in there too.

[MDC 7,405]

Did you sport some wood when you typed that?

 

No, but I am looking forward to having a president who isn't an incompetent disgrace and a liar.

[kpbuckeye 3]

No, but I am looking forward to having a president who isn't an incompetent disgrace and a liar.

 

they are all like that, they are politicians after all.

[Toro 1]

Maybe they can slip the repeal of internet gambling in there too.

 

The democrats are just making it easy on Bush.

 

 

No, but I am looking forward to having a president who isn't an incompetent disgrace and a liar.

 

Did you say that in 1998 too?

[MDC 7,405]

Did you say that in 1998 too?

 

No.

[wiffleball 4,790]

I don't understand.

 

Are the minimum wage increase, current funding for the war and appropriations for the soldier's hospitals all in the exact same bill?

 

 

Yes. These and about eleventy million other things. It's pursant to the Congressional Bill Volume and Frequency Minimimization act of 2007.

 

- Meant to cut down the number of votes and congressional debates on the house floor.

 

....As a means of cutting down carbon dioxide emissions from Legislators.

[Sergeant Bri 0]

Are the minimum wage increase, current funding for the war and appropriations for the soldier's hospitals all in the exact same bill?

 

This is often used to tack pork onto important bills, .e.g. "ARTICLE 87: Oh, yeah, and my cousin Fred gets $100 million too."

 

Or it's used so that when you vote for rainbows and teddy bears, your political opponents can rant and rave about how you voted to legalize peeing on your grandmother's face.

[Toro 1]

This is often used to tack pork onto important bills, .e.g. "ARTICLE 87: Oh, yeah, and my cousin Fred gets $100 million too."

 

Or it's used so that when you vote for rainbows and teddy bears, your political opponents can rant and rave about how you voted to legalize peeing on your grandmother's face.

 

Then Bush ought to just say "Man, I really wanted to end the war, but I just don't believe in raising the minimum wage".

[Snoopy1 0]

Obviously if the President vetos this spending bill, he doesn't support the troops.

[parrot 789]

Or it's used so that when you vote for rainbows and teddy bears, your political opponents can rant and rave about how you voted to legalize peeing on your grandmother's face.

It's illegal to pee on Grandma's face?

 

I feel so dirty all of a sudden.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Exactly. And when one of the most popular videos on CNN today is a story about how the super-dooper kick-axx IED resistant vehicles aren't getting built, and when yesterday's story all over the newsnets was how the min wage wasn't going up, this is where Congress starts dying the death of a thousand cuts. They made what political point they could, now there's nothing but downside in beating a dead horse.

 

Minimum wage not going up???? But Aunt Nancy promised the American people she would get that done in the first 100 hrs.

 

Oh, and regarding the EID resistant humvees, Joe Biden says if Bush vetos the pork barrel, cut and run Iraq bill Biden will "Pull out funding for" them.

 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/050...his_throat.html

[wiffleball 4,790]

Oh, and regarding the EID resistant humvees, Joe Biden says if Bush vetos the pork barrel, cut and run Iraq bill Biden will "Pull out funding for" them.

 

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/050...his_throat.html

 

That's wierd. He's the one highlighted in the CNN video clamoring FOR the damn things.

 

ETA: I listened to your video. I don't think he's saying that. What I picked up was he thought it was 'crap' that they WEREN'T building those things.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

That's wierd. He's the one highlighted in the CNN video clamoring FOR the damn things.

 

Hey, the Demwits think you can pull funding for a war and the troops will still get everything they need. Go figure.

[RLLD 4,230]

It might backfire, depends on how far people are willing to tilt on the topic. I think they are banking that the majority of Americans will at least lean toward this mindset. To me, it seems to be a solid move on their part....JMHO

[lennie75 0]

First of all...raising minimum wage does nothing.

 

Secondly, what is a bill raising minimum wage doing in a bill for troop funding. What a crock...we need new people in power...from both sides.

 

It is a shame that a bill like this is being politicalized (word???) by both parties. Give the troops funding then have your pissing contest some other time.

[MDC 7,405]

I wish someone in Congress would outright accuse the President of trying to run out the clock and insist that he either do something to improve the situation in Iraq or start planning for withdrawal. It's obvious that Bush has no plan - either get serious and fight the war for real or get out. Instead he's going to let our troops twist in the wind until 2008 when he can push the problem off to his successor. And if another few hundred die in the meantime, at least Bush gets to save face.

[Cruzer 1,995]

Polls show that a clear majority of Americans favor a timetable - why would it hurt Democrats in Congress?

those the same polls that said kerry would win....?

[BudBro 180]

I wish someone in Congress would outright accuse the President of trying to run out the clock and insist that he either do something to improve the situation in Iraq or start planning for withdrawal. It's obvious that Bush has no plan - either get serious and fight the war for real or get out. Instead he's going to let our troops twist in the wind until 2008 when he can push the problem off to his successor. And if another few hundred die in the meantime, at least Bush gets to save face.

 

ahhh, what do you care if a few hundred more die in the meantime. you're part of the traitor crowd that's pushing for timelines and pork barrel spending. you will be responsible for the dead soldiers, not the person working to get them funded. you're a traitor and all those standing in the way and standing on the corner with their protest signs are traitors. you will all be responsible for those dead soldiers. get out of their way and let them get it done.

[Angry White Male 0]

ahhh, what do you care if a few hundred more die in the meantime. you're part of the traitor crowd that's pushing for timelines and pork barrel spending. you will be responsible for the dead soldiers, not the person working to get them funded. you're a traitor and all those standing in the way and standing on the corner with their protest signs are traitors. you will all be responsible for those dead soldiers. get out of their way and let them get it done.

Great post.