4th Round Commentary

[Jetdoc 20]

I hate you Miller....Jacobs shoulda lasted to the 4th round.

[Miller_Time_21 0]

lol ,I'll take that as a compliment Doc

 

Thank you Fantasy King, I didn't really want to take Brady, so you made my decision easy.

 

As far as AJ, same old story, top 5 talent, yet always disappoints. His upside in the 4th makes it worth the gamble, but Driver woudl have been a much better option IMO.

[NAn 39]

give me 2 mins...you guys let the wr fall making this a tougher decision than I thought.

[remote controller 143]

Evans is solid.

[Vikings4ever 550]

Evans is solid.

Too inconsistent for a 4th rounder, IMO.

 

True, his 38 point game was , but it was a pain in the ass trying to figure out if this was the week he'd suck, or go off.

[NAn 39]

give me 2 mins...you guys let the wr fall making this a tougher decision than I thought.

 

Okay, did I really get the 5th and 8th ranked WRs from last year in the late 3rd and early 4th rnd?

 

Almost took Evans at last pick as was planning of going a different way, but couldn't pass with him falling here.

 

Kid had great numbers 82/1290/8...with Losman at the helm.

 

He should stand pat with those numbers at very least, and if any improvement by him/Losman and could be in for even bigger season.

 

Am I wrong to be excited about getting him here in the 4th?

[Miller_Time_21 0]

Evans was one of the best 2nd half WR's last year. True he had the 38 pt week, but he also ended the year with: 15, 12, 12, 20!!!

 

That is some nice numbers. Evans was almost the pic, but I bought AJ's talent instead of Evans production, I would likely regret that if this was an actual league.

[NAn 39]

Too inconsistent for a 4th rounder, IMO.

 

True, his 38 point game was , but it was a pain in the ass trying to figure out if this was the week he'd suck, or go off.

 

Good call V4E...why I love doing this mock as you get insight from others.

 

I remember his huge game, and looking at his game to game stats did have some other nice ones, but yes...when he disappeared, he really disappeared.

 

Will not for future reference.

[thedanzone 2]

Evans was one of the best 2nd half WR's last year. True he had the 38 pt week, but he also ended the year with: 15, 12, 12, 20!!!

 

That is some nice numbers. Evans was almost the pic, but I bought AJ's talent instead of Evans production, I would likely regret that if this was an actual league.

 

Evans did the same things two years in a row. Started very very slow then picked it up in the 2nd half.

[Fumbleweed 543]

Like the Brady pick......

 

Thought Housh and Evans went a tad too early, but no real complaints.

 

Did Robb leave a list or are we done for the day??

[Da Bomb 0]

i really liked lee evans last year and owned him in most leagues and he was a big disappointment. he was far too inconsistent to be a normal starter every week, and i think i ended up having him benched for half of his big weeks because of that, then playing him for a bunch of crappy weeks. hes not a guy i will want on my team for another year or two until he / buffalo settle down a bit.

 

i really like that turn for you miller. jacobs and andre are both good picks. andre is the other player i wouldve liked at 4.4 but i didnt expect him to fall past you. hes never established himself as a TD threat but he caught a ton of passes last year and should be a little more stable with a better qb this year. jacobs was probably the next best bet at RB on my board. had i taken owens at 2.4 like i wanted to, i may likely have taken him at 3.9. actually i probably wouldve waited to 4.4 and missed him, but i agree with what you said about him. i think hes a double digit TD lock, its just a question of yards. i think 8-900 yards and 12-14 TDs. hes going to just flat out miss a few weeks, not to injury as much as to a game of 30 yards and no TDs, so thats a concern. but 850/13 makes him a solid #2 RB i would think. thats about 6 more TDs than can be expected of mostly any other RB left, so that makes up an extra 360 yards. and theres obvious upside there too, as the yardage can certainly go up.

 

im wondering if id rather have portis/javon or owens/jacobs. i think i prefer the route i chose but lets see. i expect 1500/8 from portis and 1200/13 from walker. i expect 1300/14 from owens and 900/13 from jacobs. thats a lot of TDs. thats 391 points from the first set and 382 from the second set. pretty close there. the WRs are both at their ceilings there, so its just a matter of RB upside. i think im happier with that upside of CP's than jacobs', but it was a good set of picks for you nonetheless. if i liked mcgahee much, id really like your start.

[Fumbleweed 543]

i really liked lee evans last year and owned him in most leagues and he was a big disappointment. he was far too inconsistent to be a normal starter every week, and i think i ended up having him benched for half of his big weeks because of that, then playing him for a bunch of crappy weeks. hes not a guy i will want on my team for another year or two until he / buffalo settle down a bit.

 

i really like that turn for you miller. jacobs and andre are both good picks. andre is the other player i wouldve liked at 4.4 but i didnt expect him to fall past you. hes never established himself as a TD threat but he caught a ton of passes last year and should be a little more stable with a better qb this year. jacobs was probably the next best bet at RB on my board. had i taken owens at 2.4 like i wanted to, i may likely have taken him at 3.9. actually i probably wouldve waited to 4.4 and missed him, but i agree with what you said about him. i think hes a double digit TD lock, its just a question of yards. i think 8-900 yards and 12-14 TDs. hes going to just flat out miss a few weeks, not to injury as much as to a game of 30 yards and no TDs, so thats a concern. but 850/13 makes him a solid #2 RB i would think. thats about 6 more TDs than can be expected of mostly any other RB left, so that makes up an extra 360 yards. and theres obvious upside there too, as the yardage can certainly go up.

 

im wondering if id rather have portis/javon or owens/jacobs. i think i prefer the route i chose but lets see. i expect 1500/8 from portis and 1200/13 from walker. i expect 1300/14 from owens and 900/13 from jacobs. thats a lot of TDs. thats 391 points from the first set and 382 from the second set. pretty close there. the WRs are both at their ceilings there, so its just a matter of RB upside. i think im happier with that upside of CP's than jacobs', but it was a good set of picks for you nonetheless. if i liked mcgahee much, id really like your start.

 

1,500 yards from Portis and 13 TDs from Walker??

 

Wow.

 

That would make Walker a top three receiver.

[Da Bomb 0]

brady is a solid pickup. i didnt expect him to go already in this mock, but i think he'll be as good as any QB this year, and as consistent as any of them too. id never expect less than 200/1 in any game. i wouldve considered him at my pick but didnt want to take a QB too high. fumble, hes one of the guys i thought would be there at your spot at 4.10.

 

i picked up marques colston here. im a bit confused by him as no one really seems to be talking about him much even though he put up 1000+/8 last year in just 12 games. with horn gone, hes clearly the #1 receiving option now, and we all know how good horn was for NO for all those years, so whats not to like about colston? i was actually surprised to see him still there once i looked at the numbers. i had wanted andre to slip there, but upon further consideration and review, i think colston wouldve been my choice anyway. he looks like a good bet for 1200+ yards and 8-10 TDs, which will put him up into that top 10 just about any year. id be pretty happy with my team at this point at least with an eye toward TDs, because theyre all guys that should either get or sniff double digit TDs this year imo. normally i play by yardage a lot, but that can be very hit or miss from week to week. with the 4 i have so far, i would expect an average week to have 2-3 TDs between the four, at least, and thats a pretty nice start for a week of scoring. happy to come away with 2 RB and 2 WR through four picks that i can happily play every week. thats always my goal in the first four rounds.

 

1,500 yards from Portis and 13 TDs from Walker??

 

Wow.

 

That would make Walker a top three receiver.

 

im talking about combined yards for portis. and yes 1500. before last year, portis's combined yards were about 1900, 1900, 1550, and 1750. and the TDs were 17, 14, 7, 11. this is a guy who has been a fantasy superstar most of his career. for me, im leery after last year, but at 2.4 hes definitely worth the gamble for that obvious upside. hes been a top 5 fantasy RB in 3 of his 5 years. my 1500 yards actually is a somewhat low estimate, accounting somewhat for betts still getting a handful of touches. though i think that may actually keep portis healthier and may end up with him being a bit better. if portis is healthy and the starter, history says that hes going to get about 1800 combined yards and 12 TDs. i think that, at this point with still some injury ?s and ?s about betts, dropping that to 1500/8 is about what id do. i thought it was a good pick to pair him with rudi and buy myself some upside.

 

walker has always been a very big TD threat. 13 might be high, probably come actual projections time i'll put him at 12. but hes had 9, 10, and 12 in three of his years. and i do think this will be his career year. i really remember thinking last december that he looked awesome with cutler and was a guy i definitely wanted to get this year. i dont think hes quite top 3, because hes more like TO in that his bigger TD numbers offset a lack of yardage compared to the other top studs. but id place him firmly in that 4-7 range. and dont forget, before the acl tear, walker actually was a top 3 fantasy WR that year, wasnt he? he had 1400/12 so id have to think so.

 

i know, looks like im just talking up my own picks. im not trying to, just explaining why i took these guys. i know darn well who i could be taking to make my team look sweet and get lots of oohs and aaahs. i would probably have mcgahee, manning, a johnson, and a player not taken yet if that was my goal. but right now with my draft, i have two RBs in my top 8 and two WRs in my top 10-12, and thats a start id be happy with. from the 9 spot at least.

[remote controller 143]

Colston was an excellant pick, and I can't believe he fell to here. I was hoping and praying he'd drop a few more.. Real nice grab.

[Fumbleweed 543]

brady is a solid pickup. i didnt expect him to go already in this mock, but i think he'll be as good as any QB this year, and as consistent as any of them too. id never expect less than 200/1 in any game. i wouldve considered him at my pick but didnt want to take a QB too high. fumble, hes one of the guys i thought would be there at your spot at 4.10.

 

i picked up marques colston here. im a bit confused by him as no one really seems to be talking about him much even though he put up 1000+/8 last year in just 12 games. with horn gone, hes clearly the #1 receiving option now, and we all know how good horn was for NO for all those years, so whats not to like about colston? i was actually surprised to see him still there once i looked at the numbers. i had wanted andre to slip there, but upon further consideration and review, i think colston wouldve been my choice anyway. he looks like a good bet for 1200+ yards and 8-10 TDs, which will put him up into that top 10 just about any year. id be pretty happy with my team at this point at least with an eye toward TDs, because theyre all guys that should either get or sniff double digit TDs this year imo. normally i play by yardage a lot, but that can be very hit or miss from week to week. with the 4 i have so far, i would expect an average week to have 2-3 TDs between the four, at least, and thats a pretty nice start for a week of scoring. happy to come away with 2 RB and 2 WR through four picks that i can happily play every week. thats always my goal in the first four rounds.

im talking about combined yards for portis. and yes 1500. before last year, portis's combined yards were about 1900, 1900, 1550, and 1750. and the TDs were 17, 14, 7, 11. this is a guy who has been a fantasy superstar most of his career. for me, im leery after last year, but at 2.4 hes definitely worth the gamble for that obvious upside. hes been a top 5 fantasy RB in 3 of his 5 years. my 1500 yards actually is a somewhat low estimate, accounting somewhat for betts still getting a handful of touches. though i think that may actually keep portis healthier and may end up with him being a bit better. if portis is healthy and the starter, history says that hes going to get about 1800 combined yards and 12 TDs. i think that, at this point with still some injury ?s and ?s about betts, dropping that to 1500/8 is about what id do. i thought it was a good pick to pair him with rudi and buy myself some upside.

 

walker has always been a very big TD threat. 13 might be high, probably come actual projections time i'll put him at 12. but hes had 9, 10, and 12 in three of his years. and i do think this will be his career year. i really remember thinking last december that he looked awesome with cutler and was a guy i definitely wanted to get this year. i dont think hes quite top 3, because hes more like TO in that his bigger TD numbers offset a lack of yardage compared to the other top studs. but id place him firmly in that 4-7 range. and dont forget, before the acl tear, walker actually was a top 3 fantasy WR that year, wasnt he? he had 1400/12 so id have to think so.

 

i know, looks like im just talking up my own picks. im not trying to, just explaining why i took these guys. i know darn well who i could be taking to make my team look sweet and get lots of oohs and aaahs. i would probably have mcgahee, manning, a johnson, and a player not taken yet if that was my goal. but right now with my draft, i have two RBs in my top 8 and two WRs in my top 10-12, and thats a start id be happy with. from the 9 spot at least.

 

1,500 combined yards from Portis seems reasonable.

 

I wasn't necessarily down on Walker. I like him, too. I just meant that you must be thrilled to get him here if those are your projections. Only 3-5 WRs get those kinds of numbers in a season.

[Da Bomb 0]

i am thrilled, yes. i was crossing my fingers. when i asked to select in the 8-10 range, it was to select him in the 3rd round. well that and because i knew it'd be difficult, but he was the one pick i knew i was counting on going into the draft.

 

re: colston. im honestly not trying to high five my pick here, but am i wrong to assume he will normally be a mid to late 3rd rounder? i would expect he'd be fitting in with the roys and andres of the world, probably normally before driver and walker and housh. just because of expected hype. where'd anyone else have him? he wasnt really on my radar but i needed a WR and was surprised once i looked into him.

[FantasyKing 4]

brady is a solid pickup. i didnt expect him to go already in this mock, but i think he'll be as good as any QB this year, and as consistent as any of them too. id never expect less than 200/1 in any game. i wouldve considered him at my pick but didnt want to take a QB too high. fumble, hes one of the guys i thought would be there at your spot at 4.10.

 

i picked up marques colston here. im a bit confused by him as no one really seems to be talking about him much even though he put up 1000+/8 last year in just 12 games. with horn gone, hes clearly the #1 receiving option now, and we all know how good horn was for NO for all those years, so whats not to like about colston? i was actually surprised to see him still there once i looked at the numbers. i had wanted andre to slip there, but upon further consideration and review, i think colston wouldve been my choice anyway. he looks like a good bet for 1200+ yards and 8-10 TDs, which will put him up into that top 10 just about any year. id be pretty happy with my team at this point at least with an eye toward TDs, because theyre all guys that should either get or sniff double digit TDs this year imo. normally i play by yardage a lot, but that can be very hit or miss from week to week. with the 4 i have so far, i would expect an average week to have 2-3 TDs between the four, at least, and thats a pretty nice start for a week of scoring. happy to come away with 2 RB and 2 WR through four picks that i can happily play every week. thats always my goal in the first four rounds.

im talking about combined yards for portis. and yes 1500. before last year, portis's combined yards were about 1900, 1900, 1550, and 1750. and the TDs were 17, 14, 7, 11. this is a guy who has been a fantasy superstar most of his career. for me, im leery after last year, but at 2.4 hes definitely worth the gamble for that obvious upside. hes been a top 5 fantasy RB in 3 of his 5 years. my 1500 yards actually is a somewhat low estimate, accounting somewhat for betts still getting a handful of touches. though i think that may actually keep portis healthier and may end up with him being a bit better. if portis is healthy and the starter, history says that hes going to get about 1800 combined yards and 12 TDs. i think that, at this point with still some injury ?s and ?s about betts, dropping that to 1500/8 is about what id do. i thought it was a good pick to pair him with rudi and buy myself some upside.

 

walker has always been a very big TD threat. 13 might be high, probably come actual projections time i'll put him at 12. but hes had 9, 10, and 12 in three of his years. and i do think this will be his career year. i really remember thinking last december that he looked awesome with cutler and was a guy i definitely wanted to get this year. i dont think hes quite top 3, because hes more like TO in that his bigger TD numbers offset a lack of yardage compared to the other top studs. but id place him firmly in that 4-7 range. and dont forget, before the acl tear, walker actually was a top 3 fantasy WR that year, wasnt he? he had 1400/12 so id have to think so.

 

i know, looks like im just talking up my own picks. im not trying to, just explaining why i took these guys. i know darn well who i could be taking to make my team look sweet and get lots of oohs and aaahs. i would probably have mcgahee, manning, a johnson, and a player not taken yet if that was my goal. but right now with my draft, i have two RBs in my top 8 and two WRs in my top 10-12, and thats a start id be happy with. from the 9 spot at least.

 

Bomb - for me it was between Brady and Colston - even though there are other "higher rated" WRs, he was my choice also. Then, I took a look at the list of WRs left and a list of the QBs left, I liked the talent still out there at WR and thought the QB looked pretty tough this year for me - usually there are 10 guys at QB I think ok I could start him every week, but it seems that number is getting less and less.

[NAn 39]

Actually thought this was about right area for Colston and considered him but let him slide as curious where he would go for exact reason Bomb cites: ‘nobody is talking about him’.

 

Just not sure if that’s a good thing or bad thing…My concern with Colston is even with no Horn, he’ll still likely be the 2nd receiving option behind Bush, so though I think he’ll be able to do a lot with recs he gets, just not sure if he’ll get a lot of them.

[Fumbleweed 543]

Again, did Robb give somebody a list or are we done for the day? He said that he'd be out all afternoon........

[Da Bomb 0]

i dunno. i sent him an email 20 minutes ago, so we'll see. i assume he'll check in within the hour.

[Da Bomb 0]

i dunno. i sent him an email 20 minutes ago, so we'll see. i assume he'll check in within the hour.

 

havent heard anything back. im assuming we are at least on hold at this point. if youve got a 4th round pick coming up yet today and need to head out, id be happy to take a list. i just picked so im 16 spots away, but i'll be around with access all evening. send me an email if you like.

[Jetdoc 20]

He's probably out for the day. A good chunk of drafting today, guys...we're on pace to finish by this weekend.

 

I'll check in later tonight to see if he's picked.

[Fumbleweed 543]

Headed home. Will check in tonight after church.........

[Miller_Time_21 0]

 

i really like that turn for you miller. jacobs and andre are both good picks. andre is the other player i wouldve liked at 4.4 but i didnt expect him to fall past you. hes never established himself as a TD threat but he caught a ton of passes last year and should be a little more stable with a better qb this year. jacobs was probably the next best bet at RB on my board. had i taken owens at 2.4 like i wanted to, i may likely have taken him at 3.9. actually i probably wouldve waited to 4.4 and missed him, but i agree with what you said about him. i think hes a double digit TD lock, its just a question of yards. i think 8-900 yards and 12-14 TDs. hes going to just flat out miss a few weeks, not to injury as much as to a game of 30 yards and no TDs, so thats a concern. but 850/13 makes him a solid #2 RB i would think. thats about 6 more TDs than can be expected of mostly any other RB left, so that makes up an extra 360 yards. and theres obvious upside there too, as the yardage can certainly go up.

 

im wondering if id rather have portis/javon or owens/jacobs. i think i prefer the route i chose but lets see. i expect 1500/8 from portis and 1200/13 from walker. i expect 1300/14 from owens and 900/13 from jacobs. thats a lot of TDs. thats 391 points from the first set and 382 from the second set. pretty close there. the WRs are both at their ceilings there, so its just a matter of RB upside. i think im happier with that upside of CP's than jacobs', but it was a good set of picks for you nonetheless. if i liked mcgahee much, id really like your start.

As always Bomb, thanks for the great feedback you give e1 in this, enjoy reading your comments.

 

Jacobs is one of the guys I was talking about when i stated there were guys I could get later that are nearly appealing as Portis/Edge. The combo of CJ/Jacobs IMO is superior to Portis/A. Johnson. AJ would have been my slection there as well, and then would have taken Evans on the way back. So by taking CJ at 2 I have Willis, Jacobs, CJ ,AJ as compared to Willis, Portis, AJ, Evans. I could live with both, but prefer the first set.

[Da Bomb 0]

mt, what would be your quick guesstimate numbers for those four? portis, dre, cj, and jacobs.

 

i was surprised that they came closer than i had expected. im guessing you just expect a lot more out of jacobs than im willing to credit him for just yet.

[Miller_Time_21 0]

mt, what would be your quick guesstimate numbers for those four? portis, dre, cj, and jacobs.

 

i was surprised that they came closer than i had expected. im guessing you just expect a lot more out of jacobs than im willing to credit him for just yet.

nah, your numbers for Jacobs was right in the ball park. I don't do any firm projections, so I'm not even going to guestimate at this point, but there is just somethign about Portis that will make me stay away for some reason. Not sure, just not liking him this year, kid's got a screw loose.

 

I am expecting a big year from CJ, I think he breaks out for a career best year.

[Jetdoc 20]

...and with that I've made the first controversial pick of the draft.

 

Once I took Smith in the 2nd, I knew that I'd be targeting either Jacobs or Lynch in the 4th.

 

Lynch goes into a golden situation, effectively being handed the starting role with the trading of McGahee and the relative ineffectiveness of the derailed A-Train.

 

I'm not big on taking rookie RB's, but if anyone's in a situation to succeed right off the bat, it's Lynch.

 

What do you guys think? Way too early?

 

There was only one other player I really considered at this point, but continued depth at the position made me pass on him.

[Da Bomb 0]

i dont think its too early for lynch at all, its about the right spot for him. i just have never really liked him in college, and i dont like the situation he goes into now. does he get the carries? absolutely because theres no one else there. but mcgahee was way better and was never really a great fantasy RB for them. lynch has always had major durability issues and just doesnt has never struck me as a very good RB. same problem i have with benson and cadillac. but if its someone you buy into, its a good plan to snag him about where you did.

 

loved the antonio gates pick. until i found colston still there, he was going to be my pick. mark it down for 1000 and 10-12. thats a fantastic wr2 no matter how you slice it.

[thedanzone 2]

I was targeting Lynch at 4.11, but I had a feeling he'd be going soon. to either you or Fumbleweed.

 

Not quite sure how he'll do, but his situation is ideal. I think Buffalo is going to struggle pretty hard this year.

[Miller_Time_21 0]

I woudln't say WAY too early, maybe a tad, but I agree, he's in a situation to get a chance to produce right now. Biggest issue is it';s still Buffalo, but he will still have a decent year.

[Da Bomb 0]

wow, you think any of us were just sitting around waiting for a pick? lol.

[robb 81]

Hey Jet Doc, I take any critism as constructive, and believe me, I use it for my real drafts! Thanks for the feedback.

 

Sorry for being a little late on my 4th round selection. Won't happen any more this draft.

 

As for selecting Gates. I was not real pleased having to make this pick, but seeing what happens in an Experts draft, everyone of the receivers I had pegged before Gates got taken. I thought some of you would take RBs, but....no.... the receivers went fast and furious!

 

So, I took what was given me...value...in Gates. His projected points value were equal or better than the receivers left, so I took him. Rivers will still need to throw to him until (or if) V. Jackson or Davis proves themselves, so he remains a #1 receiving threat. Again, I think good value for the 4th round, but usually I won't select a TE this early and only did it because it was Gates!

[remote controller 143]

...and with that I've made the first controversial pick of the draft.

 

Once I took Smith in the 2nd, I knew that I'd be targeting either Jacobs or Lynch in the 4th.

 

Lynch goes into a golden situation, effectively being handed the starting role with the trading of McGahee and the relative ineffectiveness of the derailed A-Train.

 

I'm not big on taking rookie RB's, but if anyone's in a situation to succeed right off the bat, it's Lynch.

 

What do you guys think? Way too early?

 

There was only one other player I really considered at this point, but continued depth at the position made me pass on him.

He would have only made it a few more picks

[FantasyKing 4]

This is why Clash wins all the mocks and leagues he's in, he lulls people into a nap and then BOOM he pounces.

[remote controller 143]

This is why Clash wins all the mocks and leagues he's in, he lulls people into a nap and then BOOM he pounces.

He's always near

[ShaneFalco 0]

He's always near

 

Didn't he pick Ron Dayne last year in like the 5th or 6th round?

[remote controller 143]

Didn't he pick Ron Dayne last year in like the 5th or 6th round?

Eccentric.........just a bit..........fantasy fool.................nope!!! I believe in Clash!!!!

[remote controller 143]

See ya all in the morning. If it's my turn, I'll have a pick by 8:00 Central.

[ShaneFalco 0]

Fock I'm having a hard time making this decision. I'll pick in a little while once I decide. RC is in bed anyway, so it looks like mine will be the last pick tonight

[NAn 39]

Lynch was player I considered taking at 4.03, then Evans fell.

 

I've tried to temper my take on rookies that I get to see often ater the arrington fiasco, but even so, like what I saw of Lynch.

 

It's a double edged sword but one key thing is he played thru injury much of his senior year, considerably tougher mentally and football wise than arrington ever was.

 

Of course there's the injury concern as well as the character issues, but kid is talented running the ball and recieving as well.

 

Also realistic...he's in Buffalo.

So he'll get his touches and think make the most of them, just don't know if he'll get alot of scoring opportunities with that offense.

 

Had Edge not fell to me, would be a tad too early for Jones (who I like), so likely would have gone wr (Smith/Holt), then Driver, then Lynch.

 

Sounds like 4th for now is about where Lynch will fall.