Phurfur 70 Posted January 16, 2008 HEY! Maybe after the Chargers get destroyed this weekend he can bring Norv Turner back to be his puppet coach!! But remember, NE will only beat them if they get the breaks, that is how they won all year isn't it? THE BORED Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xenophobe 1 Posted January 16, 2008 If you look at the Cowboys drive charts, they quit running, didn't have anything to do w/ the Giants. They ran it 12 times in the second half. For 30 yards, three carries for a loss. So yes, they did run the ball, just not effectively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,173 Posted January 16, 2008 But remember, NE will only beat them if they get the breaks, that is how they won all year isn't it?THE BORED :Sigh: Why did you put the word "only" in your lame statement? No one said that getting the breaks is the ONLY way to win a game. The fact is that any championship team will tell you that you have to play really well and get a few breaks along the way to survive the playoffs. It is really that simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,704 Posted January 16, 2008 your point? They still averaged 4 ypc in the 2nd half. You have to run the ball to get stopped running the ball, and they passed probably 2/3 of the plays in the 2nd half. You also highlighted a Romo sack and an intentional grounding...both of those would have occurred on pass plays as well. While the penalties clearly played a part, it's also clear they went away from the run. They did not average 4 ypc in the 2nd half...they averaged 2.5 if you do not count Romo's scrambles for 21 (ups it to a asshair over 3.5 ypc if you do count it) The highlighted sack and penalities point out the need to get away from the run going forward. Third and long do not lend themselves to many running plays. You are forced to go away from the run in these cases. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xenophobe 1 Posted January 16, 2008 They still averaged 4 ypc in the 2nd half. Maybe with QB scrambles. On called running plays their RBs averaged 2.5 YPC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 16, 2008 :Sigh:Why did you put the word "only" in your lame statement? No one said that getting the breaks is the ONLY way to win a game. The fact is that any championship team will tell you that you have to play really well and get a few breaks along the way to survive the playoffs. It is really that simple. Thank you, and I never said good teams NEVER need breaks to win. My point was good teams win without breaks and don't complain about losing because they didn't get them. I guess I should have said it that way. I didn't know I had to be so precise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,704 Posted January 16, 2008 Maybe with QB scrambles. On called running plays their RBs averaged 2.5 YPC. WORD! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted January 16, 2008 They ran it 12 times in the second half. For 30 yards, three carries for a loss. So yes, they did run the ball, just not effectively. by my count, up through the last drive w/ under 2 mins left, the ran it 12 times for 42 yrds, or 3.5 ypc. After the 1st drive of the 2nd half, their only score (FG), they passed the ball at a 2:1 ration vs the run. On that first drive, then ran 8 times vs 4 passing (2:1 run to pass ratio) and picked up 34 of the 62 total yards using the run. I don't think it's a coincidence that their last scoring drive of the game featured the run, then they went pass wacky. In fact, their play calling changed completely from the time they fell behind right at the start of the 4th quarter. On that first drive of the 3rd quarter, the ran for 2, 3, 10, 5, -2, 2 , 11 and 3 yrds. 34 yrds on 8 attempts, that's 4.25 ypc. Explain to me how gaining >4 ypc is getting stopped? I'll grant that the penalties put them into longer distance situation, that's on the players. But they started at least 4 different sets of downs with a pass on 1st down, and 2:1 pass to run ratio cannot simply be explained away by penalties (which the Giants also got) or by the "Giants stopped the run" when you're averaging 3.5 YPC. And in reference to the QB scrambles, that just reinforces my point. Those are, more often than not, PASS plays that went wrong. You're getting credit for a run play made by the QB, but in reality it was a busted pass play (unless it was a designed scramble, which aren't called very often unless your name is Vick or Young). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted January 16, 2008 They did not average 4 ypc in the 2nd half...they averaged 2.5 if you do not count Romo's scrambles for 21 (ups it to a asshair over 3.5 ypc if you do count it) The highlighted sack and penalities point out the need to get away from the run going forward. Third and long do not lend themselves to many running plays. You are forced to go away from the run in these cases. First, Romo's scramble was for 11. Second, again, that yet another piece of evidence supporting me, they were passing that down, just happened to get credit for run yards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xenophobe 1 Posted January 16, 2008 by my count, up through the last drive w/ under 2 mins left, the ran it 12 times for 42 yrds, or 3.5 ypc. After the 1st drive of the 2nd half, their only score (FG), they passed the ball at a 2:1 ration vs the run. On that first drive, then ran 8 times vs 4 passing (2:1 run to pass ratio) and picked up 34 of the 62 total yards using the run. I don't think it's a coincidence that their last scoring drive of the game featured the run, then they went pass wacky. In fact, their play calling changed completely from the time they fell behind right at the start of the 4th quarter. On that first drive of the 3rd quarter, the ran for 2, 3, 10, 5, -2, 2 , 11 and 3 yrds. 34 yrds on 8 attempts, that's 4.25 ypc. Explain to me how gaining >4 ypc is getting stopped? I'll grant that the penalties put them into longer distance situation, that's on the players. But they started at least 4 different sets of downs with a pass on 1st down, and 2:1 pass to run ratio cannot simply be explained away by penalties (which the Giants also got) or by the "Giants stopped the run" when you're averaging 3.5 YPC. And in reference to the QB scrambles, that just reinforces my point. Those are, more often than not, PASS plays that went wrong. You're getting credit for a run play made by the QB, but in reality it was a busted pass play (unless it was a designed scramble, which aren't called very often unless your name is Vick or Young). Barber carried the ball 11 times for 28 yards in the second half. His carries were for 2,3,10,5,-2,3,3,-1,2,4,and -1 yards. Jones had one carry for 2 yards. 12 carries, 30 yards = 2.5/carry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,454 Posted January 16, 2008 Barber carried the ball 11 times for 28 yards in the second half. His carries were for 2,3,10,5,-2,3,3,-1,2,4,and -1 yards. Jones had one carry for 2 yards. 12 carries, 30 yards = 2.5/carry. And people wonder why he didn't start all year and why the Cowboys needed an RBBC with MBIII used more as the game wore on. They should have traded up for Adrian Peterson like I hoped. Too late now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeremy 0 Posted January 16, 2008 Wade Phillips this year reminded me a lot of Barry Switzer. Followed a legendary coach, and the team benifited the short term by his more relaxed style. It was good for them after years of intensity from Bill Parcells. But perhaps they got a little loosy-goosy toward the end there. It'll be interesting to see if Jerry Jones has the stones to replace a 13-4 head coach with Garrett. I almost think he will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,433 Posted January 16, 2008 Who is Hugh Doosh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vince44 208 Posted January 16, 2008 I think in order to have a RBBC you have to have more than one decent back. Julius Jones sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 16, 2008 Who is Hugh Doosh? this guy! Also this guy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parja 0 Posted January 17, 2008 Why didn't Jones just have the balls to hire Garrett as his HC right off? He still could have overpayed Philips to be the DC. Now his boy Garrett will probably leave and he'll either be stuck with Phillip's worthless ass, or finding a new HC. He's the saddest Billionaire in the world right now. Jones has serious man love for Garrett. I would imagine that right now he's trying to figure out the least expensive and most political way to can Phillips and promote Garrett to HC. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 17, 2008 Garrett doesn't know if he is ready to be a HC, that is why he hasn't taken the Balt. offer yet. I think he stays in Dallas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ers_suck 0 Posted January 17, 2008 You at least have to admire his honesty though. i agree. the Cowboys should have won, even though they played like crap. no way the giants should have been able to hold the Cowboys O in check like they did. with all the penalties, the Cowboys looked like they were playing a preseason game. the thing is, the players liked wade as a contrast to Big Tuna, cause he wasn't such a hardass, but you gotta wonder what Tuna might have done with the Boys this season. i'm not sayin wade is the reason the Cowboys lost, i'm just sayin the Cowboys weren't ready to play. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DonS 3,319 Posted January 17, 2008 I agree. Just ask Buffalo Bills fans about what they think of Wade Phillips as a Head Coach. Oh yeah. Like his brilliant coaching decision of starting Rob "Man I SUCK" Johnson in the playoffs instead of the QB that got your team there in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,704 Posted January 17, 2008 And people wonder why he didn't start all year and why the Cowboys needed an RBBC with MBIII used more as the game wore on. They should have traded up for Adrian Peterson like I hoped. Too late now. He started the last game. Nice coaching move, Doosh Phillips. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,173 Posted January 17, 2008 Nice coaching move, Doosh Phillips. The only thing left to figure out is if kutulu is the pot or the kettle in this here thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,704 Posted January 17, 2008 The only thing left to figure out is if kutulu is the pot or the kettle in this here thread. I'm kinda new here, but just in case you really don't know.... I'm always the pot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,704 Posted January 18, 2008 Seems I didn't see the entire quote the first couple of times I read it: The scoreboard may not agree with Dallas Cowboys coach Wade Phillips, but he feels Sunday's loss to the Giants was not reflective of his team's performance. "After looking at the tape, I feel like the best team lost the game," he said. "I thought we outplayed them. But we lost. Certainly, that goes directly to the coach, and I accept that." I guess he is not quite as big of a doosh as I first thought, but still, the whole "best team lost" crap shouldn't have been said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DankNuggs 305 Posted January 18, 2008 A coach puts their players in the best position to succeed. If focking Flozelle Adams keeps false starting and Patrick Crayton drops a ball that is not the Coaches fault. One little break goes the Cowboys way, they win the game, and Phillips goes from being outcoached to making a breakthrough in his career in the publics mind. The truth is that it is somewhere in the middle, but the mouthbreathers have to label it one extreme or the other. There were not any bonehead coaching mistakes like calling stupid timouts, or making adjustments during the game. The players did not step up to the plate. Can't put that one on the HC. well said... agree about mouthbreathers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 18, 2008 i agree. the Cowboys should have won, even though they played like crap. no way the giants should have been able to hold the Cowboys O in check like they did. with all the penalties, the Cowboys looked like they were playing a preseason game. the thing is, the players liked wade as a contrast to Big Tuna, cause he wasn't such a hardass, but you gotta wonder what Tuna might have done with the Boys this season. i'm not sayin wade is the reason the Cowboys lost, i'm just sayin the Cowboys weren't ready to play. Why, because they have more Pro Bowlers than the NYG. You may not know this but NY has one of the best Defense lines in the league and they handled the Cowboys because they were better. The Giant's line was in their heads. I just watched the game again on NFLN and the Cowboy did not deserve to win because they were out played and out hustled. I think the thing that hurt them the most is that on the final drive it took them 1 minute (with 1:47 to go) to gain their first 8 yards. But that is on Romo not Wade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rallo 137 Posted January 18, 2008 the cowboys may have been the 'better team' as he said... but they sure as hell did not play like it... all of the penalties/dropped passes/poor tackling... and other miscues... they looked horrible. Some of this has to come back to the coaching staff for not having the players ready to play... i'm biased, but talent-wise i believe the cowboys were the better team, but on that day the giants were obviously superior... they were more disciplined and just outplayed the cowboys... especially up front. the linemen on both sides of the ball controlled the game... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 18, 2008 Here's the thing. The Cowboys were able to stop the Giants for the vast majority of the game. The Giants did not stop the Cowboys so much as the Cowboys stopped themselves. So I can see where Phillips' line of thinking is coming from. But the problem with his logic is that the Cowboys' making mistakes to stop themselves is a reason why they were not the better team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted January 18, 2008 Philips is mainly to blame for this because: 1. He was unable to keep his team performing at a high level at the end of the season. 2. He was unable to keep his team focused in the days leading up to the Giants game. 3. He was outcoached on gameday by Coughlin. There is a reason why he's never held onto a head coaching position in the NFL, why he's always been an effective CO-ORDINATOR, and why he's 0-4 in the playoffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foghorn Leghorn 0 Posted January 19, 2008 And people wonder why he didn't start all year and why the Cowboys needed an RBBC with MBIII used more as the game wore on. They should have traded up for Adrian Peterson like I hoped. Too late now. But was this a function of Barber being tired in the second half, or more a function of the Giants playing much better rush D in the second half? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Hood 9 Posted January 19, 2008 But was this a function of Barber being tired in the second half, or more a function of the Giants playing much better rush D in the second half? Who knows, but he averaged only about 12 carries a game for the year. Got to think its a possibility he was tired after twice the work load he was used too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,704 Posted January 19, 2008 Here's the thing. The Cowboys were able to stop the Giants for the vast majority of the game. The Giants did not stop the Cowboys so much as the Cowboys stopped themselves. So I can see where Phillips' line of thinking is coming from. But the problem with his logic is that the Cowboys' making mistakes to stop themselves is a reason why they were not the better team. Doesn't matter what the logic is. He should shut the fock about it and take his beating like a man, not a doosh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,704 Posted January 21, 2008 Lick my yambag, Wade, you huge focking doosh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,704 Posted January 22, 2008 5. I think those were some bizarre and dumb comments by Wade Phillips the other day, in the wake of the playoff loss to the Giants. "I feel like the best team lost the game. I thought we outplayed them, but we lost.'' A belittling statement. And one the Giants, if they have any pride, will remember next fall. Translation: Wade is a huge focking doosh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted January 22, 2008 This tread is like a huge turd that won't flush! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,704 Posted January 22, 2008 This tread is like a turd that won’t flush! Bump the dump Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surferskin 31 Posted January 22, 2008 This tread is like a turd that won’t flush! kinda like wade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,454 Posted January 22, 2008 Kutulu, You've got problems. SEEK HELP! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,704 Posted January 22, 2008 Kutulu, You've got problems. SEEK HELP! And a b1tch ain't one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kutulu 1,704 Posted February 8, 2008 Kutulu, You've got problems. SEEK HELP! Yep. Wade is still a doosh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gepetto 1,454 Posted February 8, 2008 Yep. Wade is still a doosh. So are you! Hahahaha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites