Green Bay Coach and GM

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Guess you missed this:

 

The Bears had 12 draft choices this year. No quarterback picked. Chicago had nine draft choices in 2007. No quarterback picked. Chicago had seven draft choices in 2006. Three years with a quarterback need, 28 draft choices, and never a passer picked. This isn't odd. It's negligent.--Peter King

 

 

You're too easy. Go away

 

Hi flahagger....how is your 2-10 team doing? It is taking it in the azz like you from mccain....please do not kill yourself.

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I guess misery loves company cause God knows the Bears aren't going anywhere this year.

 

Bears 6-5

 

fudgepackers 5-7

 

Enjoy

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Can we revisit this should Aaron Rodgers lead Green Bay to the NFC Championship Game and/or Super Bowl? And shoot, what if they win it with him.

 

Last I checked there was no guarantee that Favre gave them a better chance. How does anyone know that he does? As Chris Berman says, "That's why they play the game."

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying Favre is better or worse than Rodgers or vice-versa. I'm just saying there's no way of telling. Shoot Favre could come back and stink up the joint, then what.

 

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What would you know about Grant being just average?

 

shonuff PWNED again. Nice RB beotch....average is giving him a compliment.

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Chicago would be happy to have any of the Packer's QB starting for them, even Brohm.

 

Brohm

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You have nothing more to say

 

2-10....you have nothing more to say!!!!

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Packers 37, Bears 3

 

 

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We have been owning your sorry team for so long now that it is good you have something to enjoy. Just last year Orton owned your central winning team's sorry azzes.

 

How is 5-7 treating ya?

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Packers are 5-7. Suck it.

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We have been owning your sorry team for so long now that it is good you have something to enjoy. Just last year Orton owned your central winning team's sorry azzes.

 

How is 5-7 treating ya?

 

A bad record for the Packers who have had one losing season in the last 17 years; but it is a great record for the Bears over the last 20 years

 

As for "owning".... 9 Bear wins out of your last 35 attempts against the Packers???

 

I guess the bar is low in Chicago

 

 

Glad to have you back from hiding after the 37-3 annihilation

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We have been owning your sorry team for so long now that it is good you have something to enjoy. Just last year Orton owned your central winning team's sorry azzes.

 

How is 5-7 treating ya?

 

As much I hate to say it...

I hope the Bears beat the Vikings tonight to go 7-5 (two games ahead of the Packers),

leaving the Vikings 6-6 (one game ahead of the Packers). Bears and Packers have another

game left, Packers win that one, they are only one game behind.

Hoping both the Vikings and Bears lose at least one more game during the month of Dec.

and the Packers win all their games... Packers make the playoffs!!!

 

Happy holidays!

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shonuff PWNED again. Nice RB beotch....average is giving him a compliment.

 

That average RB killed your great Bears D 2 weeks ago didn't he?

Wow...a bad game...his first bad game in a few weeks...and sweetness came out of his shell again to sling his usual childish insults.

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A bad record for the Packers who have had one losing season in the last 17 years; but it is a great record for the Bears over the last 20 years

 

As for "owning".... 9 Bear wins out of your last 35 attempts against the Packers???

 

I guess the bar is low in Chicago

Glad to have you back from hiding after the 37-3 annihilation

 

 

he makes a good point...

 

the packers have an average qb now and STILL won 37- freeking 3......

 

this is as stupid as cubs fans bragging about leading the division even though the brewers were still handling them....

 

how bad would the bears have lost had gb had a qb? 50-3?

 

stay quiet, bears fan....

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That average RB killed your great Bears D 2 weeks ago didn't he?

Wow...a bad game...his first bad game in a few weeks...and sweetness came out of his shell again to sling his usual childish insults.

 

 

Green Bay has no run game.

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Green Bay has no run game.

 

Yawn...how is your RB doing?

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Yawn...how is your RB doing?

 

 

MBIII is the most feared Rb in the NFL and he is just fine. 5-7

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shonuff PWNED again. Nice RB beotch....average is giving him a compliment.

 

Sweetness, anybody over the age of 14 that actually types the words(?) PWNED and beotch on a public message board probably needs to evaluate their sad, pathetic life.

 

I can't control how the Seahawks play, but I do have control over how gay I seem to the rest of the world. You obviously don't grasp that same concept.

 

Oh, and close windows media player, your mom is coming downstairs.

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MBIII is the most feared Rb in the NFL and he is just fine. 5-7

 

Im talking seriously actually.

A. He is not even close to the most feared RB in the NFL.

B. I meant with his injury...I have him in fantasy and really want to know how he is doing.

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Im talking seriously actually.

A. He is not even close to the most feared RB in the NFL.

B. I meant with his injury...I have him in fantasy and really want to know how he is doing.

feared in dallas takes on a whole new meaning....

 

pacman jones is the most feared DB in the league....but not because of what he does ON the field...

[Joey Gladstone 33]

feared in dallas takes on a whole new meaning....

 

pacman jones is the most feared DB in the league....but not because of what he does ON the field...

 

Only when he has his gat. I'm sure Adam Jones has never won a fight he didn't start off with a cheap sucker punch, or have his boys join in for the hood beatdown. Maybe if he was beating a woman...

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Im talking seriously actually.

A. He is not even close to the most feared RB in the NFL.

B. I meant with his injury...I have him in fantasy and really want to know how he is doing.

 

 

MBIII is just fine. He sat out of practice today just chilling. He will play in Pitt and it should not be a lingering problem.

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Brett Favre called. He was wondering does he even need to bother giving game plans to other teams since the fudgepackers get dominated all the time

 

How much was it today? 600 yards given up?

 

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

 

Enjoy your basement next to the lions beotches!!!

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Brett Favre called. He was wondering does he even need to bother giving game plans to other teams since the fudgepackers get dominated all the time

 

How much was it today? 600 yards given up?

 

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

 

Enjoy your basement next to the lions beotches!!!

 

Funny how you were absent last week after getting your ass handed to you by the Vikings...and what was the score against the Packers.

Enjoy your 2nd place finish (maybe) and no playoffs.

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Funny how you were absent last week after getting your ass handed to you by the Vikings...and what was the score against the Packers.

Enjoy your 2nd place finish (maybe) and no playoffs.

 

Funny how the Bears have exceeded all off-season expectations while the fudgepackers have been nothing but disappointments. Good job sending your HOF QB packing because the GM and Coach have big egos and cannot admit they would be nowhere without him. Good job going from the NFC CHampionship to somewhere next to the Lions. The Lions might actually beat the fudgepackers to get their only win of the season

 

Tell me again how the division was ONLY between the Vikings and the fudgepackers....I love your delusional takes. You are the joke of the footballguys board and you are the joke of this board too.

 

Anyone interested in some entertainment.....(you will need time since shonuff literally lives in that thread sukking the fudgepacker management's schlongs), check out this thread from the other board. Shonuff getting PWNED all the time

 

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=422766

 

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Funny how the Bears have exceeded all off-season expectations while the fudgepackers have been nothing but disappointments. Good job sending your HOF QB packing because the GM and Coach have big egos and cannot admit they would be nowhere without him. Good job going from the NFC CHampionship to somewhere next to the Lions. The Lions might actually beat the fudgepackers to get their only win of the season

 

Tell me again how the division was ONLY between the Vikings and the fudgepackers....I love your delusional takes. You are the joke of the footballguys board and you are the joke of this board too.

 

Anyone interested in some entertainment.....(you will need time since shonuff literally lives in that thread sukking the fudgepacker management's schlongs), check out this thread from the other board. Shonuff getting PWNED all the time

 

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=422766

 

 

Good job that our QB is not the whole problem either.

The Defense is a huge problem...even if they still had a HOF QB.

 

As for me sucking any schlongs? No...just defending them from your ridiculous rants of ignorance and idiocy.

 

Getting owned in that thread? hardly.

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5-9 biatches....nice job fudgepackers

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

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enjoy the losing season thompson, I'm sure it was all part of the long term plan

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enjoy the losing season thompson, I'm sure it was all part of the long term plan

 

Brett Favre in the playoffs....Ted-I-am-dumb-thompson and Mike-I-am-dumber-McCarthy 5-9 and sukking donkey d!cks.

 

Shonuff gets PWNED. "Fudgepackers will be a contender in the division this year"

 

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Apparently, TT figured out there is a way besides just throwing $$$ around...

 

Yeah...he did figure out how to go from the NFCC to 5-9...Enjoy the "dumb and dumber" goof balls

 

Thanks for wasting draft picks on a back up QB that cannot even beat out a 7th rounder (Brohm)....fudgepackers could have had Matt Forte, the best rookie RB out of the class instead.

 

Thanks for wasting draft picks on Bustin Harrell

 

Thanks for wasting a top 5 draft pick on AJ-I-am-so-stiff-Hawk

 

And thanks for trading your best player who actually made you 2 dumb-azzes look like you have a clue, so that you can ride your great draft pick (Aaron-overrated-Rodgers) to a 5-9 record

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Yeah...he did figure out how to go from the NFCC to 5-9...Enjoy the "dumb and dumber" goof balls

 

Thanks for wasting draft picks on a back up QB that cannot even beat out a 7th rounder (Brohm)....fudgepackers could have had Matt Forte, the best rookie RB out of the class instead.

 

Thanks for wasting draft picks on Bustin Harrell

 

Thanks for wasting a top 5 draft pick on AJ-I-am-so-stiff-Hawk

 

Wow...you really are that dumb arent you?

Wasting a pick after not even one season on Brohom? Nope, not really.

Forte, the best rookie RB? Maybe.

Harrell might be the only waste...so I give you a partial 1 out of 4.

Hawk wasted? Nope, not really.

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"We shouldn't be having this miscommunication in Week 15 of the season," quarterback Aaron Rodgers said.

 

... yeah no ###### sherlock.

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Which one was "dumb" and which one was "dumber" again???

"We had opportunities and didn't capitalize on those opportunities," safety Charles Woodson said. "I don't know what you do. At this point, we're not good at all. We're just not very good."

 

Dumb and dumber....

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"We had opportunities and didn't capitalize on those opportunities," safety Charles Woodson said. "I don't know what you do. At this point, we're not good at all. We're just not very good."

 

Dumb and dumber....

 

 

while the above cant be argued.....YOUR team is a game out of the playoff race..you may not even make it..and why?

 

 

a 37-3 loss to the packers....i mean....HOW??????

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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/36075694.html

Rodgers has played well, but absence of Favre's quiet leadership has hurt the Packers more than some in the organization admit

By Tom Silverstein of the Journal Sentinel

 

Posted: Dec. 13, 2008

 

Something has been missing from a team that 11 months ago was a field goal away from playing in the Super Bowl. The Packers have been in every game but one this season and yet they have lacked the spark or the confidence or whatever it is that they had last year that got them over the hump in so many close games.

 

It's easy to pass their 5-8 record off on injuries or misfortune or youth.

 

But what if the missing ingredient is Brett Favre? Not the touchdown passes, yards and interceptions he contributed; rather the aura, unspoken leadership and broad shoulders he provided for a team learning to win again.

 

For 16 years, he was the face of the organization, and when he had the ball in his hands with the game on the line, the atmosphere was electric whether it was home or away. Was he going to pull off a come-from-behind miracle or was he going to throw one of those bone-headed interceptions?

 

Either way, the focus was on him, and his teammates' job - perceived or otherwise - was to be there when he needed them. It didn't matter if you played on offense or defense, you didn't want to be the guy who let him down.

 

"He was a leader to us also," cornerback Jarrett Bush said of the defense. "He's Brett Favre. That's saying enough right there. We tried to play at his level. We did that for the most part. I don't know if there's a void (now). We've just got to adapt. He's not here anymore, 'OK, we have to find a way to win.' "

 

As Favre said in his retirement news conference in March, it was getting harder for him to carry the weight of expectation on his shoulders, so it was only logical to wonder how the burden would be spread when he left. Players like him only come around once a generation, and to think that his successor, Aaron Rodgers, without a single start under his belt, would be able to fill the void was a pipedream.

 

On the field, Rodgers has about matched Favre's statistical output from last season, showing the potential to be a great quarterback for years to come. But Rodgers hasn't even been close to providing the same presence. The Packers have had an opportunity to win in the final minutes of six games this season, and they have failed to pull it out each time.

 

By comparison, in Favre's first extended action with the Packers, he led the team to a dramatic come-from-behind victory over the Cincinnati Bengals with a 35-yard pass to Kittrick Taylor with 13 seconds left. The following year, he erased a dismal 24-interception season with one 40-yard, last-minute miracle touchdown throw to Sterling Sharpe against Detroit in the playoffs.

 

There is no stamp of credibility like success, and Favre had plenty of it right from the start. Rodgers has tried to assume a leadership role, but he doesn't have the body of work Favre did to back up his efforts. He said he has tried to be a leader, but he needs help.

 

"Our good players need to have the confidence, and maybe it takes somebody saying something, maybe it takes a coach," Rodgers said last week. "I'm not really sure what it is. It's a different dynamic than any other team I've been on. It's been interesting to watch and also be a part of it.

 

"But guys have to realize they have an opportunity to lead. I don't know what they want from me all the time. I'm trying to be the best leader I can. I'm trying to lead by example, which I think is the most important thing a leader can do. But other guys need to make the most of their leadership opportunities as well."

 

The biggest mistake general manager Ted Thompson might have made in constructing this team was to underestimate how Favre's presence would be missed around the organization. Thompson's decision to go young again left the team with only a handful of veterans to assume leadership roles.

 

One of those players, long-snapper Rob Davis, eventually was let go also. In a Journal Sentinel poll last year that asked players to select the team's best leaders, Favre was first and Davis was second. Davis was retained as player programs director, but he's not in uniform on game day and doesn't have a locker.

 

Instead of adding a few grizzled veterans who might have helped in the transition, Thompson, who did not return a phone message left with him last week, signed no player with more than four years experience. As a result, the Packers were the youngest team in the NFL on opening day for the third straight year. Just before the trading deadline he had one last chance to add a player with tremendous credibility, but he passed on paying a premium price for Kansas City tight end Tony Gonzalez.

 

The veterans left to carry the weight had acquiesced to Favre in the past and probably were as unsure as the younger players what their leadership role should be this year. How many times this season have you seen a defensive player gather his mates on the sideline and demand accountability? Who, other than Rodgers early last week, has stood up and publicly urged his teammates to look in the mirror and make sure they're being honest with themselves?

 

It just hasn't happened.

 

"I think there is a transition period," Rodgers said of Favre leaving. "I think guys need to give more of themselves. They need to realize there's an opportunity to be a leader. Before, there might not have been that opportunity (because of Favre). But it's not about one person; it's about everybody in here picking up the slack."

 

Leadership is not easily quantifiable. Ask just about any player in the Packers locker room and he'll tell you that Favre rarely spoke to the team. In his latter years, he wasn't even in the locker room that much.

 

In his late 30s, Favre had little in common with a bunch of first-, second- and third-year players. But on Sundays, that changed, and he drew the attention of every television camera, photographer's lens and pair of eyes in the stadium. It didn't mean he came through all the time, but there was an air of confidence with him in charge.

 

"I think one thing you have to understand, Brett never spoke," receiver Donald Driver said. "He was never one of those guys who was verbal. He just played. That's how he led. I think that's how some guys think that's their leadership. That was 4. He never said anything to guys. He just went out there and played. Guys, they looked at it and said that's how they're going to perform."

 

When he took over a dismal 4-12 team at the end of the 1991 season, former Packers general manager Ron Wolf began retooling the roster with a keen eye on locker room chemistry. He and coach Mike Holmgren avoided character risks until they had built a team with players who could police those questionable ones.

 

Critical to it all was finding players the others could follow.

 

"You want real leaders to emerge on offense and on defense," Wolf said. "We had that with Favre and (LeRoy) Butler. It really helps when the quarterback is the leader. For us, Favre was a leader. And Butler, besides being a very good player, was really a leader.

 

"I think it's important that the leader of your team be a leader in the locker room, that they listen to him at the critical time. As Brett got better and better his play spoke for him. I think there's a respect there for what a guy is."

 

When Reggie White joined the team in 1993, the team gained another veteran leader. Within a year or two, Favre started to exert his leadership more and before long the Packers had a locker room full of veterans capable of pulling rank whenever necessary.

 

"Reggie was one of those guys who was vocal, but he got it done on the field, too," said former Packers defensive end Vonnie Holliday, who was drafted in 1998 and played one season with White. "It was an incredible opportunity to have that tutelage.

 

"When he left, there were other leaders still there. I looked at Dorsey Levens as a leader. There were older guys around, guys like Frank Winters. I don't think it was the same situation as Brett leaving and you're left with a young team."

 

Holliday said his current Miami Dolphins team changed overnight when veteran quarterback Chad Pennington was brought in. He said a young offense that was unsure of itself suddenly had someone with experience, knowledge and a solid work ethic to follow.

 

"That's something our young offense needed," Holliday said. "It's the reason they're playing so well."

 

Not every player in the locker room agrees that the absence of Favre has left a leadership void. Some think the close losses come down to performance, not the fact there is a first-year starter at quarterback or a majority of young players on the roster.

 

They point to Mark Tauscher, Charles Woodson, Aaron Kampman and Driver as leaders they turn to. None is considered a vocal leader but speaks with his performance and dedication.

 

"To say one guy could change what's going on, I don't think you can say that," receiver Ruvell Martin said. "I was here in 2005. We were 4-12 and Brett was here then. We're all professionals. Everybody leads. It's more of a team spirit."

 

Maybe so, but it's hard to argue that something hasn't been missing from this team. The way it looks now, there will be plenty of time during the off-season to figure out whether it was Favre's leadership.

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"To say one guy could change what's going on, I don't think you can say that," receiver Ruvell Martin said. "I was here in 2005. We were 4-12 and Brett was here then. We're all professionals. Everybody leads. It's more of a team spirit."

 

Leadership is not amounting to enough to keep this team right now from being bad.

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Hey Sweetness, at least the Seahawks can say 3/4 of their offense is injured.

 

The Bears offense is by design!

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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/36149509.html

 

Jacksonville, Fla. - The longer the streak goes, the harder it gets for Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

 

The Packers' 20-16 loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars marked the seventh time this season that Rodgers had the ball in his hands late in the fourth quarter with a chance to beat a team and wasn't able to do it. The defense collapsed at the end of the game, but Rodgers had 1 minute 50 seconds to lead the team to a winning touchdown.

 

"I get paid to make plays and I need to make plays," Rodgers said. "I haven't been doing that as often as I want to be or should be. I take it upon myself. I'm disappointed. I've got to make the throws. I haven't been making them and I take that right on my shoulders."

 

Rodgers completed 20 of 32 passes for 278 yards and a touchdown with one interception, so his day wasn't a complete loss.

 

But the game followed a familiar script, in which Rodgers can't get the Packers into the end zone midway through the fourth quarter, the defense gives up the lead and Rodgers can't pull out a last-minute rally. It's a scene that has been played out numerous times this season.

 

Whether it all falls on Rodgers' shoulders is a matter of opinion.

 

"I think it's the whole offense," coach Mike McCarthy said. "The quarterback is a big part of it. The 2-minute drive there at the end, really, without seeing the film as far as the throw and coverage and so forth, I couldn't really answer that accurately without seeing the film."

 

The sequence of plays starting from the Packers' 16 after the kickoff began with Rodgers trying to go deep to receiver Greg Jennings. Safety Gerald Sensabaugh had a chance to end the game right there when he jumped the route, but he dropped a sure interception.

 

On the next play, Rodgers had running back Brandon Jackson open on a checkdown that could have gotten a first down, but he threw it low and Jackson couldn't hang on. After completing three passes for 32 yards, Rodgers attempted to go downfield again and this time he overthrew tight end Donald Lee.

 

Safety Reggie Nelson picked off the ball at the Jacksonville 27 and the game was over.

 

"We've had our chances," Rodgers said. "We've lost a lot of close games. We just haven't executed when we needed to. It goes back to the same stuff, third-down conversion, red-zone efficiency. We get down to the red zone four times and (we get) three field goals. We've been leaving points out there. I'm disappointed."

 

Maybe the most frustrating part of the game for Rodgers and the offense occurred late in the fourth quarter after Rodgers hit receiver James Jones for 34 yards on a deep route down the right sideline.

 

Running back Ryan Grant dropped a pass that could have gotten the Packers inside the 10 or maybe farther. Then on second and 8, Rodgers took a sack by defensive end Reggie Hayward, fumbling the ball back to the 28 where tackle Tony Moll recovered.

 

Moll allowed Hayward to sack Rodgers after playing as though he had help on the outside when he really didn't.

 

"It's something I shouldn't have been expecting and I did," Moll said. "It's one of those miscommunications where I thought I should be getting help more than it should just be my man. It's an option. The running back has his people he's looking at and if they don't come then he comes over. I just didn't take the proper (approach)."

 

Rodgers said he had a chance to deliver the ball and avoid the sack, but waited too long for something to open.

 

The Packers wound up kicking a field goal that made it 16-14. They were hoping for more.

 

"I like the calls that we've had down the stretch, guys have been getting open and I haven't been making the throws," Rodgers said. "We put together a good drive, I get stripped, it's third and long and we end up kicking a field goal where we wish we could have had a touchdown.

 

"It gives us momentum. A two-point conversion puts us up seven. And (instead) we're only up two. They make a play, we have to come back and finish it off and we don't do it. It's kind of been the script. I take as much blame as anybody should."

 

After it was over, Rodgers' teammates refused to place the loss on his shoulders. There were too many other gaffes that occurred, including the mixup with rookie tight end Jermichael Finley on third down at the Jacksonville 5 in the second quarter and the failed fourth-and-1 play in the fourth quarter in which McCarthy chose to run fullback John Kuhn instead of giving Rodgers the ball on a sneak.

 

"It's not on him," Grant said. "All of us are adults. We know what it takes to win games. We have enough guys who have been in this situation. Aaron's done a great job for us."

 

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So which is the worse decision by "dumb and dumber"? Not allowing Favre to play this year because their egos could not stand it (while letting Rodgers wait one more year) or over-paying an average at best RB like Ryan Grant when they could have drafted Forte instead of super-bust Brohm?

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"To say one guy could change what's going on, I don't think you can say that," receiver Ruvell Martin said. "I was here in 2005. We were 4-12 and Brett was here then. We're all professionals. Everybody leads. It's more of a team spirit."

 

Leadership is not amounting to enough to keep this team right now from being bad.

 

But I was told this division was definitely between the Queens and fudgepackers.....bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

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But look at the bright side packer fans. Your GM has had $30M or so in cap room the last 2 years and STILL refuses to sign any FA worth a darn the last 2 years or trade for studs like Randy Moss or Tony Gonzalez. Nice....very nice. Give "dumb and dumber" an extension please

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Anyone see that NFL network commercial with McCarthy talking about losing helps him learn? If you learn from losing then McCarthy must be a genius.