Green Bay Coach and GM

[Vikings4ever 550]

Saw this on rtsports:

As for not putting enough pressure on Favre, McCarthy said a team's defensive scheme or game plan doesn't matter if players aren't consistently beating the guy in front of them.

 

``It's about winning one-on-ones, whether you are run blocking or you're in a pass rush,'' McCarthy said. ``That's football.''

 

Maybe not, but if 1 scheme is consistently failing, another may allow your team to play better.

 

If I were a Packer fan, I'd be seriously pissed about the 3-4 switch over. They've effectively neutralized their own best defensive player (Kampman). Another case of a coach bringing in his own system, regardless of if he has the personnel to run it or not.

[BMoney 0]

Saw this on rtsports:

Maybe not, but if 1 scheme is consistently failing, another may allow your team to play better.

 

If I were a Packer fan, I'd be seriously pissed about the 3-4 switch over. They've effectively neutralized their own best defensive player (Kampman). Another case of a coach bringing in his own system, regardless of if he has the personnel to run it or not.

 

 

as I said in the summer..this 3-4 switch was basically done to buy this regime more time.....

 

cant fire them NOW..they have a new qb...

 

cant fire them NOW..they just switched their defense....

 

they are simply masking the fact that this is a bad team led by a GM who traded the franchise for a single pick...all the while praying that his qb isnt what he is..a dime a dozen...

 

i love it and ill say it yet again...the TT being fired countdown is on..no matter how much in denial some of you are...

[swamp dog 0]

as I said in the summer..this 3-4 switch was basically done to buy this regime more time.....

 

cant fire them NOW..they have a new qb...

 

cant fire them NOW..they just switched their defense....

 

they are simply masking the fact that this is a bad team led by a GM who traded the franchise for a single pick...all the while praying that his qb isnt what he is..a dime a dozen...

 

i love it and ill say it yet again...the TT being fired countdown is on..no matter how much in denial some of you are...

 

some packer fans like remote are calling like it is, but the bs stuff from don and others is pretty laughable. yeah, he's really "excited" that for the next "10-12 years" he gets to watch ryan from the office lead the packer offense. favre had flare; he was exciting; he carried teams on his back. watching rodgers--no matter what his stats say--is like watching paint dry. boring. blah. so what. and it's not like he's pulling games out of his ass like favre could and CAN do. it's not like he brings you out of your seat with a mind-boggling play. he's just vanilla. plain and simple.

 

but he'll have a career shorter than the "majik man" if the packers don't find a way to protect him. he's getting the shiat kicked out of him week in and week out. even if he doesn't get hurt, he's not going to last 10-12 years in gb (lol) following favre. maybe the guy AFTER rodgers gets more of a break than that, but rodgers will never live down favre's shadow. and yesterday sure as hell didn't help. you could FEEL rodgers' inferiority complex in the 4th quarter when things spiraled out of control.

[remote controller 143]

as I said in the summer..this 3-4 switch was basically done to buy this regime more time.....

 

cant fire them NOW..they have a new qb...

 

cant fire them NOW..they just switched their defense....

 

they are simply masking the fact that this is a bad team led by a GM who traded the franchise for a single pick...all the while praying that his qb isnt what he is..a dime a dozen...

 

i love it and ill say it yet again...the TT being fired countdown is on..no matter how much in denial some of you are...

Ted and McCarthy both need to go!

[Polamalu_Safety_Dance 0]

Ted and McCarthy both need to go!

 

so which one of these guys is dumber?

[remote controller 143]

some packer fans like remote are calling like it is, but the bs stuff from don and others is pretty laughable. yeah, he's really "excited" that for the next "10-12 years" he gets to watch ryan from the office lead the packer offense. favre had flare; he was exciting; he carried teams on his back. watching rodgers--no matter what his stats say--is like watching paint dry. boring. blah. so what. and it's not like he's pulling games out of his ass like favre could and CAN do. it's not like he brings you out of your seat with a mind-boggling play. he's just vanilla. plain and simple.

 

but he'll have a career shorter than the "majik man" if the packers don't find a way to protect him. he's getting the shiat kicked out of him week in and week out. even if he doesn't get hurt, he's not going to last 10-12 years in gb (lol) following favre. maybe the guy AFTER rodgers gets more of a break than that, but rodgers will never live down favre's shadow. and yesterday sure as hell didn't help. you could FEEL rodgers' inferiority complex in the 4th quarter when things spiraled out of control.

Rodgers is a good Qb but not a great one. Rodgers is like Romo. They can play good but don't command all that is needed to be great. Aikmen was great. Favre is great! Rodgers won't lose you games but he can't win you the big one vs an Alpha male like Favre. My beef with Thompson has been and was, not going for it 4 and 5 years ago, at the draft, when all you really needed were weapons for Brett. Instead he tried to play "smart guy" and draft for the future when he should have been simply drafting for that season to get another, or two, Championships. McCarthy let me down when he basically pussied out, not standing up to Thompson. McCarthy and Favre were > than Thompson. Favre should have been in the eyes of top Packer brass, > than Thompson, but their structure makes the GM the last say period, and Ted had to play the I'm the boss card. He failed miserably and let Packer Nation down.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Could not say it any better. Rodgers has all kinds of weapons that make his stats look better than he really is. But he has no idea how to win a big game nor can he win a game on his own. In a few years when Driver is gone, Rodgers will get exposed to be the average QB that he is. And he has major durability issues, which will really show up if he keeps getting his head bashed in every week. The Steelers, Ravens, Bears, Niners D will eat that OL for lunch and then some. Expect a lot more sacks.... but it is a good thing the dumb GM spent a 2nd round pick on Brian-I-belong-on-the-practice-squad-Brohm....bwaaaah nice pick. Much like Harrell, Brandon Jackson etc...and where is Raji this year BTW ...still injured?

[Sweetness_34 0]

I hope Shonuff did not jump off the ledge after that embarrassment at the hands of Favre this past weekend....

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

Saw this on rtsports:

Maybe not, but if 1 scheme is consistently failing, another may allow your team to play better.

 

If I were a Packer fan, I'd be seriously pissed about the 3-4 switch over. They've effectively neutralized their own best defensive player (Kampman). Another case of a coach bringing in his own system, regardless of if he has the personnel to run it or not.

 

same thing Mangina did when he came to NY.. went to a 3-4 despite having one of the best 4-3 MLB in the league in Vilma and not having anyone on the roster who could act as the space eating DT you need to keep lineman off your linebackers in the 3-4.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I hope Shonuff did not jump off the ledge after that embarrassment at the hands of Favre this past weekend....

 

Nope...just did not see the need to respond to yet another of your idiotic posts.

BTW...what was the outcome of that Bears game earlier this year?

[Sho Nuff 720]

same thing Mangina did when he came to NY.. went to a 3-4 despite having one of the best 4-3 MLB in the league in Vilma and not having anyone on the roster who could act as the space eating DT you need to keep lineman off your linebackers in the 3-4.

 

And then they got Jenkins...

As for GB...Pickett has been playing pretty damn well as an NT.

Some are pissed about the switch...others realize it was not going to be an overnight fix. I like the direction the D is going.

As long as we do keep Kampman (who has been pretty quiet about it lately) with the ability to put his hands down and rush some too.

They have not been running the base 3-4 as often as earlier in the year either. Against the Vikings the first game they played a lot of nickel coverage. I don't recall the seeing what the breakdown was this past game.

I did read where Capers did blitz more in the first half but Favre and the Vikings were picking it up. In the 2nd half, they went to more of a coverage look (and they had more success on D in the 2nd half).

[WhiteWonder 2,757]

And then they got Jenkins...

As for GB...Pickett has been playing pretty damn well as an NT.

Some are pissed about the switch...others realize it was not going to be an overnight fix. I like the direction the D is going.

As long as we do keep Kampman (who has been pretty quiet about it lately) with the ability to put his hands down and rush some too.

They have not been running the base 3-4 as often as earlier in the year either. Against the Vikings the first game they played a lot of nickel coverage. I don't recall the seeing what the breakdown was this past game.

I did read where Capers did blitz more in the first half but Favre and the Vikings were picking it up. In the 2nd half, they went to more of a coverage look (and they had more success on D in the 2nd half).

 

True but they didn't bring Jenkins in until year 3 of the regime. And parted with a pro bowl MLB for a 4th round pick in the process.

 

Luckily they had drafted a prototypical 3-4 MLB in David Harris but at that point they were starting Eric Barton alongside him. Id rather have Vilma who is just a great player regardless of scheme.

[BMoney 0]

Nope...just did not see the need to respond to yet another of your idiotic posts.

BTW...what was the outcome of that Bears game earlier this year?

 

 

the 1 won on a last minute broken play bomb...cmon sweetness...cough it up....what was the score?

 

those were the good ol days though....after the preseason..an opening week win...the bengals to follow...sweet everyone was loading up on the aaron kool-aid back then....

 

 

good times...

[Sho Nuff 720]

the 1 won on a last minute broken play bomb...cmon sweetness...cough it up....what was the score?

 

those were the good ol days though....after the preseason..an opening week win...the bengals to follow...sweet everyone was loading up on the aaron kool-aid back then....

good times...

 

Still loading up on the Aaron kool-aid while you continue to whine about the #1 rated passer in the NFL.

[lv_2_hack 0]

First of all I haven't read all the pages of posts, just the ones on the last page, but for your favre homers to say Aaron Rodgers isn't a great qb are deliusional. Someone compared rodgers to romo, I'm a cowboys fan, love romo, and would trade romo for rodgers in a freaking heartbeat. To say that Rodgers is injury prone is also crazy. Rodgers took a pounding last year, tore his shoulder up and kept playing. He's been hit 30+ times this year so far and is still standing in there. When Green Bay gives rodgers an O-line equal to Minnesota's, look out. Rodgers has the arm favre does and is a better decision maker. Rodgers reminds me of Brady with more talent. Favre's played great this year, no question about it. But when you have the luxury of having AP, harvin, berrian, rice, a great offensive line, and a good defense, it's alot easier to succeed than having the worst line in football, grant(decent), jennings and driver (good) and that's about it. Give rodgers time, the kid is going to be special.

[remote controller 143]

First of all I haven't read all the pages of posts, just the ones on the last page, but for your favre homers to say Aaron Rodgers isn't a great qb are deliusional. Someone compared rodgers to romo, I'm a cowboys fan, love romo, and would trade romo for rodgers in a freaking heartbeat. To say that Rodgers is injury prone is also crazy. Rodgers took a pounding last year, tore his shoulder up and kept playing. He's been hit 30+ times this year so far and is still standing in there. When Green Bay gives rodgers an O-line equal to Minnesota's, look out. Rodgers has the arm favre does and is a better decision maker. Rodgers reminds me of Brady with more talent. Favre's played great this year, no question about it. But when you have the luxury of having AP, harvin, berrian, rice, a great offensive line, and a good defense, it's alot easier to succeed than having the worst line in football, grant(decent), jennings and driver (good) and that's about it. Give rodgers time, the kid is going to be special.

I was the one who mentioned Romo, and i have to admit i'd much rather have Rodgers. It was a poor comparison because what I was really trying to get at was the greatness that was aikmen, in his ability to win games anytime, anywhere, any season as opposed to Romo. I was comparing that, and quite poorly i must add, to favre winning games the year before with the same team compared to Rodgers. It was a botched comparison. It is hard to follow a HOFer, and Rodgers is doing a great job. I have no beef with Rodgers and the way he has handled this situation he was handed.

[remote controller 143]

First of all I haven't read all the pages of posts, just the ones on the last page, but for your favre homers to say Aaron Rodgers isn't a great qb are deliusional. Someone compared rodgers to romo, I'm a cowboys fan, love romo, and would trade romo for rodgers in a freaking heartbeat. To say that Rodgers is injury prone is also crazy. Rodgers took a pounding last year, tore his shoulder up and kept playing. He's been hit 30+ times this year so far and is still standing in there. When Green Bay gives rodgers an O-line equal to Minnesota's, look out. Rodgers has the arm favre does and is a better decision maker. Rodgers reminds me of Brady with more talent. Favre's played great this year, no question about it. But when you have the luxury of having AP, harvin, berrian, rice, a great offensive line, and a good defense, it's alot easier to succeed than having the worst line in football, grant(decent), jennings and driver (good) and that's about it. Give rodgers time, the kid is going to be special.

I was the one who mentioned Romo, and i have to admit i'd much rather have Rodgers. It was a poor comparison because what I was really trying to get at was the greatness that was aikmen, in his ability to win games anytime, anywhere, any season as opposed to Romo. I was comparing that, and quite poorly i must add, to favre winning games the year before with the same team compared to Rodgers. It was a botched comparison. It is hard to follow a HOFer, and Rodgers is doing a great job. I have no beef with Rodgers and the way he has handled this situation he was handed.

[BMoney 0]

First of all I haven't read all the pages of posts, just the ones on the last page, but for your favre homers to say Aaron Rodgers isn't a great qb are deliusional. Someone compared rodgers to romo, I'm a cowboys fan, love romo, and would trade romo for rodgers in a freaking heartbeat. To say that Rodgers is injury prone is also crazy. Rodgers took a pounding last year, tore his shoulder up and kept playing. He's been hit 30+ times this year so far and is still standing in there. When Green Bay gives rodgers an O-line equal to Minnesota's, look out. Rodgers has the arm favre does .

 

 

BZZZZTTT!!!!! end of crazy post....thank you

 

Favre is 40...aaron SHOULD have an arm just as good....and even thats debatable..

 

as for aaron having a better arm than brett did at that age...are you serious? hahahaha...Im guessing you are 12...he doesnt come close to the arm Brett had....

[BMoney 0]

Still loading up on the Aaron kool-aid while you continue to whine about the #1 rated passer in the NFL.

 

 

oh thats right..sorry, mr fantasy football...

 

and it isnt whining..nothing to whine about...i called this that summer and there it is...spin it all you want...your qbs an overrated product of this system...ha..

 

 

I was talking about wins and losses....hats off to aaron for piling it up vs st louis, the browns and lions...and in futile comebacks vs cincy and minny...

 

I knew when he got over 300 yards last sunday, people like you would conveniantly ignore the bad sacks he was taking yet again....

 

this kids a stud!! hahaha....

 

matt schaub, he is not...still not....

 

its mr rodgers neighborhood, but brett still owns all of the property

[BMoney 0]

First of all I haven't read all the pages of posts, just the ones on the last page, but for your favre homers to say Aaron Rodgers isn't a great qb are deliusional. Someone compared rodgers to romo, I'm a cowboys fan, love romo, and would trade romo for rodgers in a freaking heartbeat. To say that Rodgers is injury prone is also crazy. Rodgers took a pounding last year, tore his shoulder up and kept playing. He's been hit 30+ times this year so far and is still standing in there. When Green Bay gives rodgers an O-line equal to Minnesota's, look out. Rodgers has the arm favre does and is a better decision maker. Rodgers reminds me of Brady with more talent. Favre's played great this year, no question about it. But when you have the luxury of having AP, harvin, berrian, rice, a great offensive line, and a good defense, it's alot easier to succeed than having the worst line in football, grant(decent), jennings and driver (good) and that's about it. Give rodgers time, the kid is going to be special.

 

 

and hes got the most apologists in football...what other QB in the nfl has more excuses handed his way? none...aaron leads all....

 

and meanwhile...almost half of the sacks are aarons fault according to his coaches...huh....lets blame the line anyway....

[Sweetness_34 0]

Yup, McCarthy has already come out and thrown Rodgers under the bus twice now for taking too many sacks. Troy Aikman pointed the same thing this past Sunday. Keep looking at Rodgers FF production without realizing he has never won a game that matters and cannot bring his team back when down. 6-10 last year; 4-3 thanks to playing Lions, Rams, Browns this year....yipppeeeeee

[BMoney 0]

Yup, McCarthy has already come out and thrown Rodgers under the bus twice now for taking too many sacks. Troy Aikman pointed the same thing this past Sunday. Keep looking at Rodgers FF production without realizing he has never won a game that matters and cannot bring his team back when down. 6-10 last year; 4-3 thanks to playing Lions, Rams, Browns this year....yipppeeeeee

 

 

if aaron could scramble as well as Sho does with excuses, he'd still be on his feet.....easy to have high ratings when all you do is take sacks..cant get picked off that way...

 

but theres no point in keeping on with it..the proof was sunday again and will be replayed for years to come.....

 

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Yup, McCarthy has already come out and thrown Rodgers under the bus twice now for taking too many sacks. Troy Aikman pointed the same thing this past Sunday. Keep looking at Rodgers FF production without realizing he has never won a game that matters and cannot bring his team back when down. 6-10 last year; 4-3 thanks to playing Lions, Rams, Browns this year....yipppeeeeee

 

And who have the Bears defeated this season?

 

On a sidenote sugar britches....I'll be in Seattle this weekend. Wanna meet up and give me a bj? I promise I'll only hit you with an open hand.

[lv_2_hack 0]

Are some of the sacks rodgers fault? Yes, they are, but not more than half. Mccarthy is saying that because he doesn't want to come out and say his offensive line sucks. I can tell that 2 or 3 people own this thread but I'll chime in again anyway.

 

 

Having a fantasy quarterback vs a real quarterback is the biggest joke of an argument i've ever seen. Can rodgers make all the throws? Yes. Does he make smart decisions? Yes. Did his whole team play putrid in the first half against green bay? Yes, but he led them back and they had a chance at the end. Do I like favre? Yes, I love the guy. But I think rodgers has had a raw deal. I don't feel like you have to make excuses for him. Their defense isn't very good and neither is their offensive line. You can't always blame the qb for the losses. I do believe the vikings made it to the playoffs without favre last year. Favre has the best rb in football, the best rookie in football, a catching machine in Rice, another speed threat in berrian, and a good tight end. The vikings have more talent than anyone in the NFC and probably the most talent in NFL. Give rodgers some time. Second year as a starter. The guy is going to be a winner. Is it hard to replace a legend? Sure, rodgers has all the tools follow in favre's foot steps.

[Sweetness_34 0]

And who have the Bears defeated this season?

 

Yeah, beating the seahags does not count but I guess beating the defending SB champs does count ....

 

Bears have lost 3 games on the road, 2 of which they were one play away from winning. Only the Cincy game they got destroyed....which the Seahags do almost every game...see Indy, Cards, Cowboys, Niners games....

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Yeah, beating the seahags does not count but I guess beating the defending SB champs does count ....

 

Bears have lost 3 games on the road, 2 of which they were one play away from winning. Only the Cincy game they got destroyed....which the Seahags do almost every game...see Indy, Cards, Cowboys, Niners games....

 

You don't need to defend yourself to me sweety. What about the bj?

[Sweetness_34 0]

What about the bj?

 

Fla-hooker and philly gurl down?

 

Please keep your ghey preferences to yourself .... just a tip

[Sweetness_34 0]

Poor coaching decisions to blame for Packers' loss to Vikings Story Highlights

 

Lost amid the drama of Brett Favre's return to Lambeau Field on Sunday was that a very important game in the NFC North was lost almost exclusively because of poor coaching and game-planning by the Packers. The failure to have a better plan in place to help out young offensive tackles was inexcusable. Perhaps worse was the decision to continue kicking deep to Vikings return man Percy Harvin.

 

Keep in mind, I don't make these kinds of statements lightly. In fact, I very rarely blame coaches when a team loses because, as a player, I never wanted to dole out too much credit to coaches when we won. I firmly believe pro football is ultimately a players game.

 

But there are instances when a coaching staff does not do a good job of putting its team in a position to win, and Sunday was one of them. How could the Packers not come up with a decent strategy during the week for the Vikings' pass rush and kickoff return game? I like Mike McCarthy and those on his staff. I've worked with many of them during my time in the league, but they were exposed in a major way Sunday.

 

Let's start with the offensive game plan. The Packers knew they were starting Granny Smith apple-green tackles against Vikings stud defensive end Jared Allen and his underrated bookend Ray Edwards. Right tackle Allen Barbre has struggled virtually all season and made it evident he needs help against solid defensive ends in obvious passing situations. Rookie left tackle T.J. Lang, a fourth-rounder from Eastern Michigan, was making his second career start. Suffice to say, he didn't face too many guys like Allen playing in the MAC last year.

 

Yet despite those obvious disadvantages, the Packers did very little to help or protect Barbre and Lang, when there were clear options. For one, they could have had a running back or two backs chip the defensive ends on their way out into the pattern. It is a very simple technique in which the running back hits any part of the end who is showing outside the offensive tackle before running a route. It sounds easy enough because it is, and it can make all the difference.

 

If the tackle knows he has help coming outside in the form of a chip from the back, he can pass set much firmer on the inside half of the defensive end. The Packers did very little of that. Instead, they consistently motioned the lone back out wide. Not only does this put more onus on the pass protectors up front, but also it allows the defenders to know there isn't even the possibility of a chip.

 

The other option was to slide the line. Since the Packers had five offensive linemen and the Vikings were typically rushing four, the Packers had an extra guy. That means they could have slid the line towards Lang to help him by having left guard Darryn Colledge protect his inside. That would have allowed for a three-on-two situation for the Packers. If Colledge was looking out for Lang's inside gap, Lang could then set much more firmly down the middle or even the outside number of Allen, essentially forcing him to come inside and run into Colledge. The Packers did do a little of that, but not nearly enough.

 

Most teams coming would have probably used a back to chip on one side and slid the line the other direction, depending on the pass protection scheme that was called. The Packers, instead, usually left their tackles out on an island and exposed, causing a replay of the Monday night game from Week 4, when the Vikings had eight sacks and Allen had 4.5. This time Allen had three more and the Vikings got six more takedowns of Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

 

I really don't understand why the Packers didn't make any obvious changes from the first game in this regard. Maybe they thought the big problem in the first loss was the Metrodome crowd noise and that it would be rectified by playing at home. Maybe they thought stellar left tackle Chad Clifton would return from an ankle injury. Regardless, their ineptitude cost them.

 

The other foolhardy decision, kicking the ball deep to Harvin late in the game, was just as bad. Minnesota came into the game ranked first in kick returns. Harvin proceeded to build on that by taking a first-half kickoff to the Packers 20, which led to a touchdown and noticeable momentum shift early in the game.

 

The Packers were so weary of Harvin that they squib-kicked in the third quarter. The result was a fumble by Brian Robison, one of the up men for the Vikings. It was a huge turn of events as the Packers marched right down for a score.

 

Yet that momentum was taken back when Harvin took the next kickoff, this time a deep one, into Packers territory, and the Vikings scored again. McCarthy was incredulous and went up to special teams coach Shawn Slocum for an explanation. Keep in mind, Harvin already had two kickoff returns for touchdowns on the season, including one the previous week against the Pittsburgh Steelers.

 

I'm not saying the Vikings players aren't better than the Packers players. What is indisputable, at least based upon this season, is the Vikings coaches have the upper hand against their counterparts in Green Bay.

 

 

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When someone says your coach sucks more than freaking Chilli, you have a real problem. Dumb and dumber indeed!!!!

[Joey Gladstone 33]

Please keep your ghey preferences to yourself .... just a tip

 

I'd rather shoot them all over your face lover

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Still loading up on the Aaron kool-aid while you continue to whine about the #1 rated passer in the NFL.

 

But he has weapons!

 

so does Manning, so does Brady, so does "Brees.

 

Question for everyone. Why do you all consider Brees a top 3 QB? He put up stats, but he has weapons. What was his record last year? What makes him top 3 up there with Manning, but Rodgers a dime a dozen QB? After 1 and a half years of play? I don't participate in these crap threads anymore because BMoney goes off a cliff anytime the Packers lose, Sweatmeat has the IQ of a retarded lamb, and Swamp Poosay is about to tuck his son in.

 

After a 6-10 year what did I expect from the Packers this year? 9 or 10 wins. They are 4-3, sure with the harder part of their schedule coming up, but all 3 of their losses were to 2 good teams in pretty close games. People need to get real, you look stupid.

 

Anything short of Rodgers taking GB to the SB and winning it in spectacular fashion BMoney is going to jump all over stuff. He is like a 14 year old girl.

[donhaas 18]

and Swamp Poosay is about to tuck his son in.

 

[BMoney 0]

So many people are going to look so DUM for ripping on Thompson! I find it funny, because most of them are the "know it alls" who don't know jack when it comes down to it.

 

 

[BMoney 0]

But he has weapons!

 

so does Manning, so does Brady, so does "Brees.

 

Question for everyone. Why do you all consider Brees a top 3 QB? He put up stats, but he has weapons. What was his record last year? What makes him top 3 up there with Manning, but Rodgers a dime a dozen QB? After 1 and a half years of play? I don't participate in these crap threads anymore because BMoney goes off a cliff anytime the Packers lose, Sweatmeat has the IQ of a retarded lamb, and Swamp Poosay is about to tuck his son in.

 

After a 6-10 year what did I expect from the Packers this year? 9 or 10 wins. They are 4-3, sure with the harder part of their schedule coming up, but all 3 of their losses were to 2 good teams in pretty close games. People need to get real, you look stupid.

 

Anything short of Rodgers taking GB to the SB and winning it in spectacular fashion BMoney is going to jump all over stuff. He is like a 14 year old girl.

 

 

haha..like many here..you sound defeated...

 

listen...dont aim your whining at me with stupid comments....

 

I hadnt posted in this thread since the season start..not after the 1st vikes loss..nothing...i waited til favre swept the packers....

 

anything short of the SB? hahahaha...they havent beaten a team over 500 since they beat the 5-4 bears last november...forget anything close to the SB....in fact, dont even use SB again in this thread, please....

 

all ive posted is that the favre move was stupid..you fantasy footballers still agree with teds side..great!!

 

I said they wouldnt win 7 the year after aaron took over..i was right...

 

keep living in denial....keep ripping on what I say...I admit, I may be wrong on things...but on this topic, I havent been yet....so quit b1tching...

 

and dont preach on about the future..the weak argument that its all about 5 years from now...rodgers will be here...favre wont..we heard this crap years ago and favres not only STILL here..but winning more games AGAIN....Rodgers wont be here 5 years from now..the new GM will never keep him...there will be better out there in free agency...

 

my friend and i ran into 1 of bretts family members at the smokehouse last weekend and he said that brett would like to play beyond 2010 even...that seems doubtful..but is it really?...i wouldnt bet against him...

 

as far as dime a dozen...the point is..the packers WOULD be winning more with brett...and if brett were to leave..they could draft a matt ryan type who could come in and be just as good as matt schaub-lite...

 

whiner.... i bet you booed brett also sunday....fickle...

[BMoney 0]

I don't participate in these crap threads anymore because BMoney goes off a cliff anytime the Packers lose,

 

 

the truth is....you dont participate anymore because you and sho have looked foolish in your arguments and you are smart to just hide...

 

gonna post when aaron runs it up and hot dogs vs tampa? save it..those games he should win....

 

lets all have a party the next time aaron beats a 500 team...

[donhaas 18]

as far as dime a dozen...the point is..the packers WOULD be winning more with brett...and if brett were to leave..they could draft a matt ryan type who could come in and be just as good as matt schaub-lite...

 

whiner.... i bet you booed brett also sunday....fickle...

 

 

This is all dumb... Brett has an ideal situation going for him right now.... we don't need to rehash it.... but the last time Brett had an o-line like Rodgers has now he threw 29 interceptions...

 

Sweetness knows this because he commented on every single one of those INTs....

 

For you guys to play dumb was silly at first, but now it's worn itself out....

It's just boring....

 

Rodgers > Favre

 

10 years from now.... Rodgers > Favre

 

There's no future with Favre... Packers made the right choice.

 

 

Rodgers with terrible offensive line = #1 passer rating in the NFL; 16 TDs, 2 INT

Favre with a sub-par offensive line = 20 TDs; 29 INTs ... 4-12 record

 

 

'nuff said.... The icing on the cake is that Rodgers will just keep getting better and better

[SaintsInDome2006 441]

What a bunch of maroons. So now Mike McCarty tells us Aaron Rodgers gives the packers the best chance to win. Oh really? Then why were the GM and the coach willing to fly down in a private plane and officially un-retire Favre 2 weeks after he retired?

 

Gotta love the dumb and dumber packer front office. At least the Bears had no choice other than go with a Grossman vs Orton competition since the FA QBs and Qbs in this year's draft were not really great to begin with. But here we have dumb and dumber telling us that Rodgers is better than a QB that just had their team in the NFC Championship game.

 

 

Oh and I love how McCarthy realizes the O is gonna stink with Rodgers so he covers his azz by telling us how he is a defensive coach. Oh really? Since when did he become a defensive minded coach?

 

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"Aaron Rodgers is the starting quarterback for the Green Bay Packers," McCarthy said. "That's been stated over and over again. I hope we can finally understand that. That's where we are as an organization and as a head coach of the Green Bay Packers. I don't know how else to answer that question."

 

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Despite his background as a quarterbacks coach, McCarthy prefers to win with defense -- a philosophy that presumably works best with steady but unspectacular play from a quarterback.

 

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Who gives you the better chance of winning?

 

MM- AR is our starting QB. That should answer the question.

 

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MM- Moving forward means the emphasis is on the DEFENSE. I believe the defense is the focal part of this team as we move forward. Then Special Teams. Thirdly, the offense's ability to score points.

 

"The football team has moved forward with the emphasis on defense," McCarthy said. "Because that's what I believe in."

 

 

I don't own Favre or Rodgers. I think Favre was a great player, he's awesome to watch, but I think what he did to Green Bay was wrong, so now I pull against him every game. I like Rodgers too..... and pulled for him the other day vs the Vikes.

 

However I have no idea why the part about McCarthy's history doesn't get mentioned more often.

 

McCarthy came to the Saints as a QB coach (from GB I think). He soon became the Saints OC. While in NO, McCarthy pushed, promoted and up-educated Aaron Brooks for 5 years.

 

Brooks, the guy now out of football, a guy so bad even the Raiders said 'uh, we made a mistake.'

 

McCarthy chose Brooks over:

 

Jeff Blake, who had led the Saints to a 6-3 record in his single year starting (and who generally had a good rep as a vet, and one of the league's best deep balls) (Brooks went 4-4 taking over from Blake);

 

Jake Delhomme; and

 

Mark Bulger.

[remote controller 143]

Are some of the sacks rodgers fault? Yes, they are, but not more than half. Mccarthy is saying that because he doesn't want to come out and say his offensive line sucks. I can tell that 2 or 3 people own this thread but I'll chime in again anyway.

Having a fantasy quarterback vs a real quarterback is the biggest joke of an argument i've ever seen. Can rodgers make all the throws? Yes. Does he make smart decisions? Yes. Did his whole team play putrid in the first half against green bay? Yes, but he led them back and they had a chance at the end. Do I like favre? Yes, I love the guy. But I think rodgers has had a raw deal. I don't feel like you have to make excuses for him. Their defense isn't very good and neither is their offensive line. You can't always blame the qb for the losses. I do believe the vikings made it to the playoffs without favre last year. Favre has the best rb in football, the best rookie in football, a catching machine in Rice, another speed threat in berrian, and a good tight end. The vikings have more talent than anyone in the NFC and probably the most talent in NFL. Give rodgers some time. Second year as a starter. The guy is going to be a winner. Is it hard to replace a legend? Sure, rodgers has all the tools follow in favre's foot steps.

I agree with all of this, but it in no way changes my opinion that the Coach and GM have to go.

[Sho Nuff 720]

oh thats right..sorry, mr fantasy football...

 

and it isnt whining..nothing to whine about...i called this that summer and there it is...spin it all you want...your qbs an overrated product of this system...ha..

I was talking about wins and losses....hats off to aaron for piling it up vs st louis, the browns and lions...and in futile comebacks vs cincy and minny...

 

I knew when he got over 300 yards last sunday, people like you would conveniantly ignore the bad sacks he was taking yet again....

 

this kids a stud!! hahaha....

 

matt schaub, he is not...still not....

 

its mr rodgers neighborhood, but brett still owns all of the property

 

Yes...you continue to whine about Rodgers, you have since last year.

"Your QB" so now you are no longer laying claim to being a Packer fan?

Just wins and losses huh? Ok, but realize those are team stats right.

Vince Young is 19-12 (this one is for wiff)...is he a better QB than Aaron Rodgers?

Where did I ignore the sacks Sunday? Where did I bring up his stats from Sunday? Wait...I never did.

He took 2 bad sacks...the others were on the line. One of his sacks was especially bad (might have been the first one) where he rolled and had the first down had he run (after the botched snap by Minny)...had the first down in the redzone if he runs. Takes the sack, they kick a FG.

 

Matt Schaub? Hmm...the guy who still has a losing record and has been starting in the league longer? Who now has his best TD total for a year ever with 16?

 

Nice try.

[Sho Nuff 720]

and hes got the most apologists in football...what other QB in the nfl has more excuses handed his way? none...aaron leads all....

 

and meanwhile...almost half of the sacks are aarons fault according to his coaches...huh....lets blame the line anyway....

 

Brett has more apologists and got all of the same excuses.

But you won't see it that way anymore will you?

[Sho Nuff 720]

Yup, McCarthy has already come out and thrown Rodgers under the bus twice now for taking too many sacks. Troy Aikman pointed the same thing this past Sunday. Keep looking at Rodgers FF production without realizing he has never won a game that matters and cannot bring his team back when down. 6-10 last year; 4-3 thanks to playing Lions, Rams, Browns this year....yipppeeeeee

 

Hmm....4 wins playing the Lions, Rams and Browns...wait, that is only 3 teams.

 

Why not mention the 4th team sweetness?

 

BTW...your boy Cutler is not exactly looking like a world beater is he?