wiffleball 4,797 Posted October 21, 2008 The subject of the Obama-Ayers connection surfaced last spring during a television interview in which Sen. John McCain rhetorically asked: “How can you countenance someone who was engaged in bombings that could have, or did kill innocent people?” That same question might be applied to McCain, critics are now charging. What they are referring to is a 1992 photo of a smiling McCain shaking hands with the late Vietnamese Prime Minister Vo Van Kiet — considered by many to have been a war criminal responsible for numerous POW executions — taken in Hanoi three years before then-president Bill Clinton normalized diplomatic relations with Vietnam in 1995. The executions of Green Beret Capt. Humberto Versace of Norfolk, Vir., prison camp comrade SFC Kenneth Roraback of Baldwin, N.Y. and Army E4 Harold Bennet of Perryville, Ark. are directly attributed to Kiet, then a top-ranking official with the National Liberation Front’s (Viet Cong) Central Committee. Kiet is said to have directly taken part in decisions not only resulting in POW executions, but also the deaths of countless South Vietnamese citizens. Versace and Roraback’s public executions were condemned in the Oct. 1, 1965 edition of Newsweek, for violating Geneva Convention guidelines regarding the treatment of war prisoners. The issue involving POWs and McCain goes far deeper than this, however. Debunking McCain’s status as a war hero, Ted Sampley, a two-tour Vietnam veteran and former Green Beret said, “Palin opened the door for somebody to ask questions about McCain’s relationship with Kiet. Moreover, no other POW reported ever witnessing McCain being physically tortured. They gave him medical care not given to other American POWs in a hospital normally unavailable to POWs” [after his plane was shot down over Truc Bach Lake in Hanoi]. From the onset, McCain resisted efforts to locate missing servicemen, belittling families and veterans groups pressing for the release of classified debriefing papers that might shed light on the whereabouts of MIA’s, asserting that it invaded the privacy of returning POWs and would only exacerbate the grief and suffering of families. Through McCain’s efforts, along with others, all POW information was permanently sealed off. “The reason they can’t al-low the release of McCain’s debriefing papers and his POW file is because it will show that North Vietnam kept him as a ‘special prisoner,’” said Sampley. “They knew that his father was Commander of the Pacific Fleet and that they had the ‘Crown Prince’ in their custody. He was an asset.” According to Schanberg, he was told by “high-level CIA officials,” in 1992 that as time went by it became increasingly difficult for either country to own up to the fact that there were abandoned POW/MIA’s still in Vietnam. “Those prisoners had not only become useless bargaining chips,” they also impeded “Hanoi’s desire to be accepted into the international community,” said Schanberg, adding that CIA intelligence “indicated strongly” that many of the remaining men — “those who had not died from illness or hard labor or torture — were eventually executed.” If the American POWs were executed, then it would have had to have been Kiet who issued the death warrants. He was Vietnam’s Prime Minister until 1997. Full Story That's some shady crap right there. Palling around with a guy responsible for countless servicemen's deaths and torture. No wonder so many 'Nam vets and guys that served with McCain can't stand him. Obama was 8 when Ayers was doing his thing, what's McCain's excuse for doing it at 58?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,173 Posted October 21, 2008 This site is part of TheBlackPressUSA.com How the hell did you end up on that site Wiffle? Geebus this is like posting a story from TheKKKToday about Obama. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,797 Posted October 21, 2008 This site is part of TheBlackPressUSA.com Dunno what you're doing visiting BlackPressUSA, but I saw this story on Vietnam Veterans Against McCain. It's a pretty telling site. Medal of honor winning veterans who not only knew John at the academy, but spent time as POW's with him share their views on JM. - It ain't pretty. Thse guys served their country well and honorably. Their input means a shiitload more than just about any others. - You owe it to them to honor their service and input by listening to their stories. And why the hell McCain is laughing and shaking hands with someone who killed these guys' friends is a big question for them. As is why John used his influence to seal his POW records. - And in the process, making it harder to find any other POW's or bring closure to their families. Now that the "terrororist" BS is on the table, he needs to answer for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,173 Posted October 21, 2008 Dunno what you're doing visiting BlackPressUSA, but I saw this story on Vietnam Veterans Against McCain. It's a pretty telling site. Medal of honor winning veterans who not only knew John at the academy, but spent time as POW's with him share their views on JM. - It ain't pretty. Thse guys served their country well and honorably. Their input means a shiitload more than just about any others. - You owe it to them to honor their service and input by listening to their stories. And why the hell McCain is laughing and shaking hands with someone who killed these guys' friends is a big question for them. As is why John used his influence to seal his POW records. - And in the process, making it harder to find any other POW's or bring closure to their families. Now that the "terrororist" BS is on the table, he needs to answer for it. Ummm, I got there by your link. Take a look at that site a little more closely. It doesn't get more biased (pro Obama) than that site. Until this issue comes out in another news outlet I will give it little credence. I think I can say with a straight face the proper due dilligence was not followed when gathering this story. If I was to link up a negative story about Obama from a White supremecy site would you just take it's word for it? Didn't think so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy 0 Posted October 21, 2008 Just posted this in the other thread but just so that no one gets misguided by wiffles posting. http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/ is run by a nut job named Ted Sampley. http://www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,173 Posted October 21, 2008 Just posted this in the other thread but just so that no one gets misguided by wiffles posting.http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/ is run by a nut job named Ted Sampley. http://www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm Yeah, see this is one of major problems on both sides of the the presidential debate as well as the whole damn internet....period. It happens on both sides. A biased so called "news" outlet puts a "story" on the internet. Another biased website links up that "story" (which who knows is really true or not). A person on a message board posts this story as fact. Then Joe Schmoe reads this post and/or story and goes home to tell his wife over dinner that John McCain is best friends with terrorists. The wife tells all her co-workers. It's focking ridiculous and one of the things I hate about the internet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy 0 Posted October 21, 2008 Yeah, see this is one of major problems on both sides of the the presidential debate as well as the whole damn internet....period. It happens on both sides. A biased so called "news" outlet puts a "story" on the internet. Another biased website links up that "story" (which who knows is really true or not). A person on a message board posts this story as fact. Then Joe Schmoe reads this post and/or story and goes home to tell his wife over dinner that John McCain is best friends with terrorists. The wife tells all her co-workers. It's focking ridiculous and one of the things I hate about the internet. Agreed sh!t happens. On both sides. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,797 Posted October 21, 2008 Ummm, I got there by your link. Take a look at that site a little more closely. So you're now against honored Vietnam Veterans that not only served with, but POW'ed around with him? Can't get much more credibe than them, can you? But go ahead and wallow in denial. - Dunno where you keep coming up the Nergo crap. Just because two sites link to the same newspaper article <> retard. http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,797 Posted October 21, 2008 Yeah, see this is one of major problems on both sides of the the presidential debate as well as the whole damn internet....period. It happens on both sides. A biased so called "news" outlet puts a "story" on the internet. Another biased website links up that "story" (which who knows is really true or not). A person on a message board posts this story as fact. Then Joe Schmoe reads this post and/or story and goes home to tell his wife over dinner that John McCain is best friends with terrorists. The wife tells all her co-workers. It's focking ridiculous and one of the things I hate about the internet. Uh, that's a neat little narrative you're painting. Unfortunately, the have VIDEO FROM MCCAIN'S FELLOW PRISONERS AND CLASSMATES on a site CREATED by Vietnam Vets. man, you're focking stupid. That's the REAL problem - stupid people like you who don't take the time to actually view the information - but SWEAR that JM is the 2nd coming. Like I said, I'll honor his fellow aviators word long before I'll honor Sarah Palin telling me "he's a maveric! You BETCHA!" - Can't get a much better source of a guy's character than the men who went to school with him, served with him, shared cells with him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,797 Posted October 21, 2008 Now, back to the issue at hand. Here's a pic of McCain smiling and laughing with his good buddy Kiet. - The same guy linked to the killings and torture of McCain's fellow POW's. With a country's PM from which we still hadn't normalized relations. Talk about Palling around with terrorists. What kind of a son-of-a-###### goes out of his way to suck up to the guy that killed his fellow members? Ayers killed how many people?? - 'Course, John was awful grateful for the special treatment he got. - Which you hear directly from one of his own fellow classmates and POW's - If you'd bother to listen to a distinguished war hero. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted October 21, 2008 no one has said JM is the 2nd coming..thats the line that you guys are using for your so-called Messiah... JM is more open about where hes been..what hes done..if this is anything, he will address is...something that one refuses to do.... then again..if obama being connected to ayers is no big deal in your eyes...you can feel free to ignore these type of threads... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Recliner Pilot 61 Posted October 22, 2008 It's a pretty telling site. Medal of honor winning veterans who not only knew John at the academy, but spent time as POW's with him share their views on JM. - It ain't pretty. Thse guys served their country well and honorably. Their input means a shiitload more than just about any others. - You owe it to them to honor their service and input by listening to their stories. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth anyone? I wonder what Sniffenballs had to say about them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Uh-huh 0 Posted October 22, 2008 Swift Boat Veterans for Truth anyone? I wonder what Sniffenballs had to say about them. Not only a lying lemming, but a hypocrite as well. Acting like you didn't slobber all over the Swiftboaters back in '04. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,173 Posted October 22, 2008 So you're now against honored Vietnam Veterans that not only served with, but POW'ed around with him? Can't get much more credibe than them, can you? But go ahead and wallow in denial. - Dunno where you keep coming up the Nergo crap. Just because two sites link to the same newspaper article <> retard. http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/ Wow, you really are a freaking basket case. You don't know where the, as you say, negro crap comes from? It is from the link that YOU provided. The one YOU quoted in the original post. Here it is. http://www.thewestsidegazette.com/News/art...mp;ItemSource=L I can't believe I had to repost a link that you yourself provided..... geez. The article is from the West Side Gazzette and right under the site name it plain as day states: Part of Black Press USA Then if you actually took the time to see where you are spewing your information from you will see it is a wholly pro Obama black website (which is biased). Take a moment to look at the home page of the site you linked, it is a pro black / pro Obama site. Did you even look at the site you linked with your "story"? Can you read? And you call me dumb. Also, out of who knows how many Vietnam vets, I'm sure there are a couple that could be against McCain. But if you took the time to look at Snoopy's post he showed clear examples of bias on that site from the main person here: http://www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm There are Vets all over that back McCain, why do you dismiss those? Are those vets less "credible" than the ones from your website? You can't have it both ways. You keep saying that we have to believe the vets, but which ones? The one's you pick? And here is the obit from the Veitnam Prime Minister. In your wholly biased rant and subsequent linkages from Anti-McCain websites, it never in any place tells of how Van Kiet in the years after the Vietnam war turned into a reformer of communism and a leader in a more democratic country which was major thumbs up for America and prolly the reason you see McCain meeting with him: Vo Van Kiet, the former prime minister of Vietnam and a major force behind an economic liberalization that started in the late 1980s In his term as prime minister, and as the most senior southerner in the Communist Party and the government, Kiet was a leader in Vietnam's market-oriented economic changes known as "doi moi" - meaning renovation or renewal - in the late 1980s and 1990s. The changes began the overhaul of Vietnam's failed Soviet-style system. He was also supportive of the growing role and importance of the media in his country, where newspapers, radio and television are state-controlled. "Vietnam will sorely miss an architect of 'doi moi' and someone who was constantly urging the current government to stay the course of reforms the way he envisaged them," said Carl Thayer, a longtime analyst of Vietnamese political and economic issues. http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=5...y6wMrnQPyXH_bxw Was any of that in your links? Not even a mention. My God you have become a hack. A pretty bad one at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rusty Syringes 478 Posted October 22, 2008 What color are the tinfoil hats in your world? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,173 Posted October 22, 2008 My favorite quote is this one: If the American POWs were executed, then it would have had to have been Kiet who issued the death warrants. He was Vietnam’s Prime Minister until 1997. It is written to imply that Van Kiet has been the PM from Vietnam war until 1997 so he had to be responsible for giving any orders to kill POW's. However the fact is that he was only PM from 1991 to 1997. It conviently left that little diddy out. It doesn't get that much more bush league as far as reporting a story than stuff like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
itsbigmoni 1 Posted October 22, 2008 Wow, you really are a freaking basket case. You don't know where the, as you say, negro crap comes from? It is from the link that YOU provided. The one YOU quoted in the original post. Here it is. http://www.thewestsidegazette.com/News/art...mp;ItemSource=L I can't believe I had to repost a link that you yourself provided..... geez. The article is from the West Side Gazzette and right under the site name it plain as day states: Part of Black Press USA Then if you actually took the time to see where you are spewing your information from you will see it is a wholly pro Obama black website (which is biased). Take a moment to look at the home page of the site you linked, it is a pro black / pro Obama site. Did you even look at the site you linked with your "story"? Can you read? And you call me dumb. Also, out of who knows how many Vietnam vets, I'm sure there are a couple that could be against McCain. But if you took the time to look at Snoopy's post he showed clear examples of bias on that site from the main person here: http://www.miafacts.org/prankster.htm There are Vets all over that back McCain, why do you dismiss those? Are those vets less "credible" than the ones from your website? You can't have it both ways. You keep saying that we have to believe the vets, but which ones? The one's you pick? And here is the obit from the Veitnam Prime Minister. In your wholly biased rant and subsequent linkages from Anti-McCain websites, it never in any place tells of how Van Kiet in the years after the Vietnam war turned into a reformer of communism and a leader in a more democratic country which was major thumbs up for America and prolly the reason you see McCain meeting with him: http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=5...y6wMrnQPyXH_bxw Was any of that in your links? Not even a mention. My God you have become a hack. A pretty bad one at that. Oh, so his actions later in life make it ok? So now that Ayers is doing good work and even earned citizen of the year, that makes him a good guy? Not in my book. My favorite quote is this one: It is written to imply that Van Kiet has been the PM from Vietnam war until 1997 so he had to be responsible for giving any orders to kill POW's. However the fact is that he was only PM from 1991 to 1997. It conviently left that little diddy out. It doesn't get that much more bush league as far as reporting a story than stuff like that. Umm, the link says he was head of the viet cong army at the time. Its pretty clearly stated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,491 Posted October 22, 2008 Agreed sh!t happens. On both sides. The difference is that crap like this dies in obscurity. Crap from FLAHawker is broadcast on Fox news and the Rush Limbaugh show. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stosher1 0 Posted October 22, 2008 The difference is that crap like this dies in obscurity. Crap from FLAHawker is broadcast on Fox news and the Rush Limbaugh show. Some other things to think about: What if the candidates’ lives were reversed? What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class? What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said 'I do' to? What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards? What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? What if Cindy McCain graduated from Princeton and Harvard Law? What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5? What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker? If the above questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election polls would be as close as they are? This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference. You are The Boss... which team would you hire? With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. Educational Background: Obama: Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations. Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna ###### Laude Biden: University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science. Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.) versus McCain: United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899 Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester North Idaho College- 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism Now, which team are you going to hire? PS: What if Barack Obama had an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted October 22, 2008 The difference is that crap like this dies in obscurity. Crap from FLAHawker is broadcast on Fox news and the Rush Limbaugh show. The truth hurts! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stosher1 0 Posted October 22, 2008 The truth hurts! Truthiness - not truth Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy 0 Posted October 22, 2008 Some other things to think about: What if the candidates’ lives were reversed? What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class? What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said 'I do' to? What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards? What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? What if Cindy McCain graduated from Princeton and Harvard Law? What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5? What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker? If the above questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election polls would be as close as they are? This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference. You are The Boss... which team would you hire? With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. Educational Background: Obama: Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations. Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna ###### Laude Biden: University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science. Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.) versus McCain: United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899 Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester North Idaho College- 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism Now, which team are you going to hire? PS: What if Barack Obama had an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter You forgot to mention this qualification: Obama: If he makes it through 4 years of presidency it will be the longest time he ever held one job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,173 Posted October 22, 2008 Oh, so his actions later in life make it ok? Not in my book. Maybe it doesn't make it okay in your book. However should all of those important and relevant facts be left out of the story? Does the reform of Vietnam during the time he was Prime Minister not give credence to a US Senator meeting with said reformer? I would think that is a huge piece of the picture that was conveniently left out. Why was it left out? So the political radical hacks would eat it up, without educating themselves on the topic. That is what extremely biased "news" blogs and outlets do and the mouthbreathers that cannot think for themselves spew thereafter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,797 Posted October 22, 2008 Umm, the link says he was head of the viet cong army at the time. Its pretty clearly stated. Seriously, what a focking retread. Noticed KSB didn't have a response for that. Nice - pal around with the guy who gave you special treatment. Pal around with the head of the viet cong army - the same guys that tortured and killed your buddies. No wonder decorated Vietnam Veterans can't stand this guy. I'm sorry, how many Americans did Ayers kill or torture? But like the other poster said, Fox is all over this BS Ayers story (and we can see what a non-story it is in the polls), but an ACTUAL SOB like Kiet - and McCain palling around with him - all the while trotting out his Vietnam war service at every opportunity - Not a peep out of Fox and Fiends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,173 Posted October 22, 2008 Seriously, what a focking retread. Noticed KSB didn't have a response for that. Nice - pal around with the guy who gave you special treatment. Pal around with the head of the viet cong army - the same guys that tortured and killed your buddies. No wonder decorated Vietnam Veterans can't stand this guy. I'm sorry, how many Americans did Ayers kill or torture? But like the other poster said, Fox is all over this BS Ayers story (and we can see what a non-story it is in the polls), but an ACTUAL SOB like Kiet - and McCain palling around with him - all the while trotting out his Vietnam war service at every opportunity - Not a peep out of Fox and Fiends. What is there to respond to? I never said he wasn't part of the Vietnam war. I was merely making fun of your radical websites and their gawd awful biased journalism. It's not just Fox, but absolutlety not one even halfway legit news source is covering this the way you portray it (by looking at only half the picture). Do you know why? Because doing that would be shotty journalism and just plain dumb. Congrats on buying into everything you read on the internet without first educating and thinking for yourself. Wiffle, in all honesty you need to stick with the non-politcal funny stuff you post. That is rather entertaining. This political hack fishing expedition you have been on is just getting sad. Time to hang up your spurs. All you do is fuel the fire of the radicals like the xstangs and RP's of this site, when it is easy to see you are only halfway serious. Try to be part of the solution to a better bored and quit contributing to the problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,797 Posted September 7, 2018 And, where did that Ayers story go? Oh yeah. Same place the Swift boats went. I swear, it'll be great to throw that back on to Fox and fiends and see what they have to say about Ayers now. Or Swift boat. It's disgusting enough watching clips of GOP senators talking about how they need more time to review documentation for the last scotus pick that Obama brought forward. Or their moral pontificating about cheating on your wife. Wonder where those stories went? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 7, 2018 Bump, I was looking for something else but I found it ironic that Wiffle was bashing McCain 10 years ago. I am sorry in advance for being a troll, i feel kind of dirty. Awesome thread.. Good find. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,797 Posted September 7, 2018 By the way, for the truly retarded. There's a difference between going after a guy running for president who's embracing like Obama's Palling around with terrorists! And having enough class not to attack the guy when he's dead. but your boy Trump can't figure that out. So it makes sense you couldn't either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
posty 2,810 Posted September 7, 2018 By the way, for the truly retarded. Have you learned anything the past ten years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 7, 2018 The left always loved McCain, right up until they had a chance to vote for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wiffleball 4,797 Posted September 7, 2018 The left always loved McCain, right up until they had a chance to vote for him. America respected McCain compared to the draft dodging, incompetent piece of shiit that people like you Embrace wholeheartedly. Ironically, it was probably McCain bringing a moron like Palin to the Forefront then open the door for a moron like Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 7, 2018 America respected McCain compared to the draft dodging, incompetent piece of shiit that people like you Embrace wholeheartedly. Ironically, it was probably McCain bringing a moron like Palin to the Forefront then open the door for a moron like Trump. Jesus dude, this is about McCain and your hypocrisy. Quit rambling about Trump, you are delusional old man. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Filthy Fernadez 2,696 Posted September 7, 2018 Bump, I was looking for something else but I found it ironic that Wiffle was bashing McCain 10 years ago. BUMP of the Century MT. So wiff was wearing one of those tinfoil hats back in 2008 when McCain was running? Believing in McCain/terrorist stories? Same rumors (and some new ones) that Qanon is bringing up? Say it ain't so.......... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,783 Posted September 7, 2018 Wiff, a perfect sample of the left that hated McCain BEFORE he went cancer ridden senile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted September 7, 2018 Dunno what you're doing visiting BlackPressUSA, but I saw this story on Vietnam Veterans Against McCain. It's a pretty telling site. Medal of honor winning veterans who not only knew John at the academy, but spent time as POW's with him share their views on JM. - It ain't pretty. Thse guys served their country well and honorably. Their input means a shiitload more than just about any others. - You owe it to them to honor their service and input by listening to their stories. And why the hell McCain is laughing and shaking hands with someone who killed these guys' friends is a big question for them. As is why John used his influence to seal his POW records. - And in the process, making it harder to find any other POW's or bring closure to their families. Now that the "terrororist" BS is on the table, he needs to answer for it. http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/#EMO_DIR#/thumbup.gif So his fellow Vietnam vets carry more weight on the subject than Kathy Griffin and Obama. Got it, thanks Wiffle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorRock 708 Posted September 7, 2018 Full Story That's some shady crap right there. Palling around with a guy responsible for countless servicemen's deaths and torture. No wonder so many 'Nam vets and guys that served with McCain can't stand him. Obama was 8 when Ayers was doing his thing, what's McCain's excuse for doing it at 58?? I seem to recall Wiff having a very different opinion of Shitstain McCain last week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SenatorRock 708 Posted September 7, 2018 Even better is getting to this page and seeing Wiff double down on his stupidity rather than just take the L like a man. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,911 Posted September 7, 2018 See, the leftists couldn't have just thanked him for his service, said RIP and moved on. Oh no, he fought with Trump so they put all their unhinged selfs on full display with their transparent phony platitudes. Using the death of a man they vilified not long ago to score a few points. Sickos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted September 7, 2018 See, the leftists couldn't have just thanked him for his service, said RIP and moved on. Oh no, he fought with Trump so they put all their unhinged selfs on full display with their transparent phony platitudes. Using the death of a man they vilified not long ago to score a few points. Sickos Nailed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites