Any card collectors out there?

[Kopy 595]

Was wonderoring if with the economy, the way it is right now. If this was the perfect time to get back into the hobbey?

When I was a kid. I always just went after big name rookie cards of all 4 sports. Whatever I could get ahold of. Never bothered with sets or commons, and packs of cards.

 

There's alot stuff I'd still like to get my hands on. (I havn't bought a card in probably 15 years). Don't want to by new or current items. Just kind of want to finish my childhood wish list. Still probably about 40 cards or so I'm looking for. When I was done. I'd like to display them all in a case, in my spare/sports TV room.

 

Is now a good time to study, and start buying again?

[kilroy69 1,271]

Was wonderoring if with the economy, the way it is right now. If this was the perfect time to get back into the hobbey?

When I was a kid. I always just went after big name rookie cards of all 4 sports. Whatever I could get ahold of. Never bothered with sets or commons, and packs of cards.

 

There's alot stuff I'd still like to get my hands on. (I havn't bought a card in probably 15 years). Don't want to by new or current items. Just kind of want to finish my childhood wish list. Still probably about 40 cards or so I'm looking for. When I was done. I'd like to display them all in a case, in my spare/sports TV room.

 

Is now a good time to study, and start buying again?

If you are buying for yourself and just for the enjoyment of having cards you wanted to have when you were young this would be a good time. However the heyday of card collecting is way gone. The card companies made sure of that by the sh!t they pulled in the late 80's and 90's. Releasing "error" cards and such.

[Kopy 595]

If you are buying for yourself and just for the enjoyment of having cards you wanted to have when you were young this would be a good time. However the heyday of card collecting is way gone. The card companies made sure of that by the sh!t they pulled in the late 80's and 90's. Releasing "error" cards and such.

 

Pretty much sums up what I'm looking to get back into. I don't even care about all the stuff in the past 20 years, or even the new different stuff that they came out with. Was just more or less wondering if dealers. Like most other industries now a days. Were just trying to cut their losses, and still make a buck.

 

A Kilroy69, 1980 topps rookie card. Mint value of 100 bucks.

Can I grab a Near Mint version of it for 50 bucks with some research?

[kilroy69 1,271]

Pretty much sums up what I'm looking to get back into. I don't even care about all the stuff in the past 20 years, or even the new different stuff that they came out with. Was just more or less wondering if dealers. Like most other industries now a days. Were just trying to cut their losses, and still make a buck.

 

A Kilroy69, 1980 topps rookie card. Mint value of 100 bucks.

Can I grab a Near Mint version of it for 50 bucks with some research?

Yea if you are just looking to grab them and hold them because you like the idea of having something from your youth or some of the players your dad talked about you should be able to get great deals. Also with the internet age and the rise of ebay you should be able to get great deals on cards that during the heyday of the market would have sold for double or triple.

 

I made a killing during the early 90's on buying and reselling baseball cards. As a kid in high school that was how I got all my money.

[Gepetto 1,466]

I am a collector and have a very quality collection of graded rookie cards and single cards from all 3 major sports. I've been working on collecting every significant player and/or Hall of Famer going back to the '50's. I have most of them and have spent a LOT of money on them. I only collect cards graded and encased by Beckett Grading Company (BGS and BVG) - the cases are really nice for displaying. I think now is a good time. Cards still have value. I try to collect BGS/BVG 8.5 (8.5 = NM-MT+) for cards from the 70's and 80's. For cards from the 60's I only collect BVG 7.5 (7.5 = NM+) or BVG 8 (8 = NM-MT). 9 = Mint and 10 = gem mint.

 

PSA grades cards too but the same card in the same grade from PSA vs. BVG/BGS usually is worth less if it's PSA. The PSA cases are thinner and could break more easily in the mail or if dropped and the BVG/BGS cases are much nicer. I have been buying these on ebay since 1999. It really depends what condition of card is acceptable to you and how much you want to spend. Try to find top rookie cards graded in the condition you want that begin the auction listing at a low price and ignore the cards with high opening bid requirements. If you have an ebay account and sign in, you can search for a card and then click the "completed item" tab to see what has sold and for how much in the last 30 days (be sure to only pay attention to cards that actually sold; obviously).

 

If you decide to collect BGS/BVG graded cards, you can go to their website and get a free account to check the population reports that shows how many of each card they have graded and the number of grades assigned for each level of grading. https://www.beckett.com/estore/login/index....sp?&Cancel=

 

I have seen the exact same grade given by PSA and BVG/BGS for the same type card and the PSA card never looks as good.

 

BVG is the designation Beckett gives for cards graded 1980 and earlier. BGS is for 1981 and newer cards. Originally there was no BVG designation and BGS cards with the BGS designation from 1980 and earlier were graded even harder and are worth a little more sometimes, but there aren't many of them around.

[listen2me 23 1,959]

I was really into cards as a kid. My Barry Score Rookie was worth 200 at one point, now it is like 40? Cards have lost so much value.

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[Cuse9 131]

Ebay. Always a great place to buy cards.

 

However, with the economy getting worse and worse I would think now would be a great time to keep an eye out in the papers to see if someone needs money and they're selling their collection. You have to be careful though. Alot of guys will sell a ton of cards, but they are all commons. You don't want to get a deal by paying $50 for a box of nothing! Deals can be had though. I went to a garage sale last summer and bought a Brett Favre RC for 25 cents. So, you never know?!

 

I would suggest staying away from getting into newer cards. If you pick up a Beckett....from 1963 to 1987 you have two pages for 24 years. Then for just the year of 2008 you'll have 15 pages of pricing?! It's nuts. Plus, new cards only sell if it's the right player, set and insert. Way to risky buying new cards. I prefer old cards for two reasons. One, I grew up with them so I "know" them. Two, they hold their value. Unless they pull an OJ they are going to maintain their value for the most part.

 

I would suggest getting back into it, but only for fun, not for investment.

[heavy-set 39]

baseball cards were worth something when nobody saved them. anything after 1980 is almost worthless.

 

 

homer simpson doesnt even collect them

[tubby_mcgee 701]

baseball cards were worth something when nobody saved them.

 

Bingo.

[tikigods 77]

The market is glutted with all kinds of crap nowadays. Too many companies making crap.

 

Here is an interesting story I found:

 

Bernice Gallego sat down one day this summer, as she does pretty much every day, and began listing items on eBay.

 

She dug into a box and pulled out a baseball card. She stopped for a moment and admired the picture. "Red Stocking B.B. Club of Cincinnati," the card read, under a sepia tone photo of 10 men with their socks pulled up to their knees. The card itself was dirty and wrinkled in a few places.

 

It was definitely old, Gallego thought. As a collector and seller, it's her job to spot old items that might have value today, to find the gems among the junk.

 

The front of the very first baseball card, an 1869 Peck & Snyder Cincinnati Red Stockings card, features a sepia-toned, gelatin-silver photographic print of the first professional baseball team.

 

It's what Bernice, 72, and her husband, Al Gallego, 80, have been doing since 1974 at Collectique, their Tower District antique store full of old jukeboxes, slot machines and records.

 

This card, she figured, was worth selling on eBay.

 

She did what she does with most items: Took a picture, wrote a description and put it up for auction. She put a $10 price tag on it, deciding against $15 because it would have cost her an extra 20 cents.

 

Later that night she got a few odd inquiries -- someone wanting to know whether the card was authentic, someone wanting her to end the auction and sell him the card immediately.

 

Hmm, she thought, this could be something special. It could be worth $50, or even $100.

 

Or, as Bernice Gallego came to find out in the following weeks, it could be worth a lot more.

 

The card is actually 139 years old. It, and a handful of others like it, are considered the first baseball cards.

 

Sports card collectors call the find "extremely rare" and estimate the card could fetch five, or perhaps, six figures at auction.

 

And Bernice was worried about 20 cents.

 

Instead, just like that, she is the least likely protagonist ever for a rare-baseball card story.

 

"I didn't even know baseball existed that far back," Gallego says, between puffs on her cigarette. "I don't think that I've ever been to a baseball game."

 

Spooked with all the questions she was getting on eBay, she picked up the phone at 9:30 that night and called her good friend George Huddleston and asked his opinion.

 

"I never make phone calls after 8 o'clock at night," Gallego says. "My mother taught me never to do things like that."

 

Huddleston's answer was simple: End the auction now. Figure out what you have and what it's worth before selling it. Her husband, Al, agreed: "Get this thing off the Internet."

 

So the next morning -- with no bids yet on the card -- she canceled the auction. She wanted to find out more about the card.

 

Huddleston directed Gallego to a friend who would know what to do: Rick Mirigian, a local concert promoter and card trader who sold a rare basketball card in 2004 for $62,100.

 

In the meantime, Gallego didn't want the card to get lost, so she put it in a sandwich bag and push-pinned it to her laundry room wall.

 

"If it fell off the wall, the cat would have ate it," Gallego says. "Well, or the dog."

 

When she met with Mirigian, she found out what the card was -- an 1869 advertisement with a picture of the first professional baseball team, the Cincinnati Red Stockings.

 

"When I came to meet her and she took it out of a sandwich Baggie and she was smoking a cigarette, I almost fainted," Mirigian says.

 

"They've uncovered a piece of history that few people will ever be able to imagine or comprehend. And it comes out of Fresno," he says. "That card is history. It's like unearthing a Mona Lisa or a Picasso."

 

The adventure begins

 

Mirigian's first question to Bernice was what you might expect: Where did you get this?

[Voltaire 5,506]

I tap a mountain and zing your Black Knight with a Thunderbolt for three points damage.

[tikigods 77]

I tap a mountain and zing your Black Knight with a Thunderbolt for three points damage.

 

Are you speaking in Nerd again?

[Voltaire 5,506]

Are you speaking in Nerd again?

 

Speak like nerd I cannot.

[Cuse9 131]

I tap a mountain and zing your Black Knight with a Thunderbolt for three points damage.

Comments like this are job security for this guy:

[shotsup 835]

I used to collect 20 years ago.

 

Was I unethical ??

 

I was a regular at this place that rented videos, sold comics and cards (and some stuff off a truck so to speak).

 

Anyway 2 brothers owned it and the "not so smart" brother sold me an o pee chee '79-'80 SET (Gretzky rookie) for $75.00 - at the time the card itself was going for over a grand (it was the same time he was traded to the Kings) - So the "smarter" brother tried to get me to sell it back (for $75.00 !!!!) Frick that. It was sell it back for 75 or I am no longer allowed in the store. Bye Bye

 

(when I say "smarter brother" - he was the one who ended up going to jail for being a scam artist!!!)

[Gepetto 1,466]

I used to collect 20 years ago.

 

Was I unethical ??

 

I was a regular at this place that rented videos, sold comics and cards (and some stuff off a truck so to speak).

 

Anyway 2 brothers owned it and the "not so smart" brother sold me an o pee chee '79-'80 SET (Gretzky rookie) for $75.00 - at the time the card itself was going for over a grand (it was the same time he was traded to the Kings) - So the "smarter" brother tried to get me to sell it back (for $75.00 !!!!) Frick that. It was sell it back for 75 or I am no longer allowed in the store. Bye Bye

 

(when I say "smarter brother" - he was the one who ended up going to jail for being a scam artist!!!)

 

Not unethical. You win!

[shotsup 835]

Not unethical. You win!

 

should of sold it when I could of gotten something for it -now it collects dust!

[Gepetto 1,466]

should of sold it when I could of gotten something for it -now it collects dust!

 

It's a great card. And depending on the condition is still worth much more than you paid for it.

 

1979 O-PEE-CHEE #18 WAYNE GRETZKY PSA 8 ROOKIE NICE

 

1979 OPC Wayne Gretzky #18 RC PSA 7 Beauty!

 

#18 WAYNE GRETZKY NHL ROOKIE 1979 O-PEE-CHEE PSA 7 NRMT

 

1979-80 O-Pee-Chee #18 Wayne Gretzky Rookie PSA EX-MT 6

 

WAYNE GRETZKY RC PSA GRADED OPC 6!! 1979 # 18 EX-MT

 

Just depends on the condition and if you get a buyer who pays more than they should.

[The Moz 72]

I have every major set - Donruss, Topps, Fleer , UD , Leaf -- from 1979 to 1988 when I collected heavily -- Baseball cards.

 

Sad thing is cards were worth more in 1990 than they are now in 2009. sometimes 3X more 20 years ago then they are now..

 

ebay is what killed card value.

[BMoney 0]

I used to collect 20 years ago.

 

Was I unethical ??

 

I was a regular at this place that rented videos, sold comics and cards (and some stuff off a truck so to speak).

 

Anyway 2 brothers owned it and the "not so smart" brother sold me an o pee chee '79-'80 SET (Gretzky rookie) for $75.00 - at the time the card itself was going for over a grand (it was the same time he was traded to the Kings) - So the "smarter" brother tried to get me to sell it back (for $75.00 !!!!) Frick that. It was sell it back for 75 or I am no longer allowed in the store. Bye Bye

 

(when I say "smarter brother" - he was the one who ended up going to jail for being a scam artist!!!)

 

 

have never owned that card

 

when i was a kid, i traded a bunch of hockey cards to a friend for a mario lemieux rookie and some commons...he was so mad at me years later..well..whos fault is it? meh....

 

i dont believe that ebay killed card values at all...it has slowed down those card owners who tried to take advantage of those who dont know a ton...you only pay what u are willing to pay on ebay..a true market value...

 

whats hurting the market are the losers who go to the stores and feel through the packs for inserts..you cant even buy open packs without finding dinged corners on cards

 

grading the card is the way to go and on ebay..you can get a very old rookie for very cheap if it grades very low..sure, a grade of 2 or 3 means the cards been abused...but its still the actual card...bought 30 cards from the 1930s the other day for $20....just neat to have...

 

am buying a ted williams card next week...have always wanted that card...

 

1 nice thing about being in hockeyless wisconsin is getting cheap hockey...bought a few john tavares cards for between $3-5..i felt like a criminal

 

will someday buy a tennis card when simona halep gets one..but i am not sure how they will get her huge cans on the card..we shall see...

[kilroy69 1,271]

ebay is what killed card value.

Not really. The greed of the card companies is what killed the value. They started flooding the market with all the different insets,subsets, special sets and the such. Throw in the fact that they had to have the worst quality control ever with all the "error" cards and you had the demise of the card industry.

[Kopy 595]

I am a collector and have a very quality collection of graded rookie cards and single cards from all 3 major sports. I've been working on collecting every significant player and/or Hall of Famer going back to the '50's. I have most of them and have spent a LOT of money on them. I only collect cards graded and encased by Beckett Grading Company (BGS and BVG) - the cases are really nice for displaying. I think now is a good time. Cards still have value. I try to collect BGS/BVG 8.5 (8.5 = NM-MT+) for cards from the 70's and 80's. For cards from the 60's I only collect BVG 7.5 (7.5 = NM+) or BVG 8 (8 = NM-MT). 9 = Mint and 10 = gem mint.

 

PSA grades cards too but the same card in the same grade from PSA vs. BVG/BGS usually is worth less if it's PSA. The PSA cases are thinner and could break more easily in the mail or if dropped and the BVG/BGS cases are much nicer. I have been buying these on ebay since 1999. It really depends what condition of card is acceptable to you and how much you want to spend. Try to find top rookie cards graded in the condition you want that begin the auction listing at a low price and ignore the cards with high opening bid requirements. If you have an ebay account and sign in, you can search for a card and then click the "completed item" tab to see what has sold and for how much in the last 30 days (be sure to only pay attention to cards that actually sold; obviously).

 

If you decide to collect BGS/BVG graded cards, you can go to their website and get a free account to check the population reports that shows how many of each card they have graded and the number of grades assigned for each level of grading. https://www.beckett.com/estore/login/index....sp?&Cancel=

 

I have seen the exact same grade given by PSA and BVG/BGS for the same type card and the PSA card never looks as good.

 

BVG is the designation Beckett gives for cards graded 1980 and earlier. BGS is for 1981 and newer cards. Originally there was no BVG designation and BGS cards with the BGS designation from 1980 and earlier were graded even harder and are worth a little more sometimes, but there aren't many of them around.

 

Nice summary

[BMoney 0]

I am a collector and have a very quality collection of graded rookie cards and single cards from all 3 major sports. I've been working on collecting every significant player and/or Hall of Famer going back to the '50's. I have most of them and have spent a LOT of money on them. I only collect cards graded and encased by Beckett Grading Company (BGS and BVG) - the cases are really nice for displaying. I think now is a good time. Cards still have value. I try to collect BGS/BVG 8.5 (8.5 = NM-MT+) for cards from the 70's and 80's. For cards from the 60's I only collect BVG 7.5 (7.5 = NM+) or BVG 8 (8 = NM-MT). 9 = Mint and 10 = gem mint.

 

PSA grades cards too but the same card in the same grade from PSA vs. BVG/BGS usually is worth less if it's PSA. The PSA cases are thinner and could break more easily in the mail or if dropped and the BVG/BGS cases are much nicer. I have been buying these on ebay since 1999. It really depends what condition of card is acceptable to you and how much you want to spend. Try to find top rookie cards graded in the condition you want that begin the auction listing at a low price and ignore the cards with high opening bid requirements. If you have an ebay account and sign in, you can search for a card and then click the "completed item" tab to see what has sold and for how much in the last 30 days (be sure to only pay attention to cards that actually sold; obviously).

 

If you decide to collect BGS/BVG graded cards, you can go to their website and get a free account to check the population reports that shows how many of each card they have graded and the number of grades assigned for each level of grading. https://www.beckett.com/estore/login/index....sp?&Cancel=

 

I have seen the exact same grade given by PSA and BVG/BGS for the same type card and the PSA card never looks as good.

 

BVG is the designation Beckett gives for cards graded 1980 and earlier. BGS is for 1981 and newer cards. Originally there was no BVG designation and BGS cards with the BGS designation from 1980 and earlier were graded even harder and are worth a little more sometimes, but there aren't many of them around.

 

 

well said

 

i go with bgs and nothing else...they are the strictest...people seem to avoid bgs because they want a better chance for a 9.5 or a 10 and think thatll get them more cash..but it wont...

 

what annoys me are sellers on ebay who sell a 9.5 graded card by some cheap no name company that didnt even look at the card..and they list it as...

 

hank aaron rookie psa bgs bccs

 

so if u are loking for a true BGS 9....this one will pop up.. they should only be allowed to list the 1 company that graded it..but they are selling generic junk..ive seen the generic gradings..10 and u can see a ding on an edge thankfully most store owners are ditching these cards for cheap...if it looks good to you, go for it, pop off the plastic and get it graded by BGS...

 

i bought a elway rookie for $15...rated 9.5..sure it is sent it in to get graded...ill be pleased if its 8 or higher for that price..

[rallo 139]

well said

 

i go with bgs and nothing else...they are the strictest...people seem to avoid bgs because they want a better chance for a 9.5 or a 10 and think thatll get them more cash..but it wont...

 

what annoys me are sellers on ebay who sell a 9.5 graded card by some cheap no name company that didnt even look at the card..and they list it as...

 

hank aaron rookie psa bgs bccs

 

so if u are loking for a true BGS 9....this one will pop up.. they should only be allowed to list the 1 company that graded it..but they are selling generic junk..ive seen the generic gradings..10 and u can see a ding on an edge thankfully most store owners are ditching these cards for cheap...if it looks good to you, go for it, pop off the plastic and get it graded by BGS...

 

i bought a elway rookie for $15...rated 9.5..sure it is sent it in to get graded...ill be pleased if its 8 or higher for that price..

 

this is where card collecting lost me... i know there needs to be a solid grading system, but there are simply too many of them... and it just seems like another way for card companies to get you to shell out the $$$... took all the fun out of it for me...

[shotsup 835]

bought a few john tavares cards for between $3-5..i felt like a criminal

 

Future NY Islander ..... Nice

[Cuse9 131]

I am a collector and have a very quality collection of graded rookie cards and single cards from all 3 major sports. I've been working on collecting every significant player and/or Hall of Famer going back to the '50's. I have most of them and have spent a LOT of money on them. I only collect cards graded and encased by Beckett Grading Company (BGS and BVG) - the cases are really nice for displaying. I think now is a good time. Cards still have value. I try to collect BGS/BVG 8.5 (8.5 = NM-MT+) for cards from the 70's and 80's. For cards from the 60's I only collect BVG 7.5 (7.5 = NM+) or BVG 8 (8 = NM-MT). 9 = Mint and 10 = gem mint.

 

PSA grades cards too but the same card in the same grade from PSA vs. BVG/BGS usually is worth less if it's PSA. The PSA cases are thinner and could break more easily in the mail or if dropped and the BVG/BGS cases are much nicer. I have been buying these on ebay since 1999. It really depends what condition of card is acceptable to you and how much you want to spend. Try to find top rookie cards graded in the condition you want that begin the auction listing at a low price and ignore the cards with high opening bid requirements. If you have an ebay account and sign in, you can search for a card and then click the "completed item" tab to see what has sold and for how much in the last 30 days (be sure to only pay attention to cards that actually sold; obviously).

 

If you decide to collect BGS/BVG graded cards, you can go to their website and get a free account to check the population reports that shows how many of each card they have graded and the number of grades assigned for each level of grading. https://www.beckett.com/estore/login/index....sp?&Cancel=

 

I have seen the exact same grade given by PSA and BVG/BGS for the same type card and the PSA card never looks as good.

 

BVG is the designation Beckett gives for cards graded 1980 and earlier. BGS is for 1981 and newer cards. Originally there was no BVG designation and BGS cards with the BGS designation from 1980 and earlier were graded even harder and are worth a little more sometimes, but there aren't many of them around.

I'd never buy a graded card, what a waste! You can't even clothes pin it to your bike to make the motor sound. Sheesh, some people!

[The Moz 72]

Not really. The greed of the card companies is what killed the value. They started flooding the market with all the different insets,subsets, special sets and the such. Throw in the fact that they had to have the worst quality control ever with all the "error" cards and you had the demise of the card industry.

 

Then tell me how in 1992 my 1979 and 1980 Topps sets were actually worth something - now their worth nothing except for a few cards. I remember when my 1984 Fleer update was worth a ###### load - Clemmens RC , etc. now it's -- meh..

 

ONly Cards I have that have serious value are my Willie Mays, 1969,70,71 - Ryans , Mantles , Koufax - etc. Unfoutunatley none of my oldie cards are in "mint" they are in solid condition but these days they gotta be flawless for any actual value. I have a 1953 Mickey Mantle I thought was like 3500 - card dealer ( 3 of them ) offered a range of 700 - 800 for it.

 

Just pisses me off as i thought I had like easily 20K in my card collection ( actually I had that about 15 years ago ) - now maybe not even 5 K. How do cards from the early 80's go don so much in price?

 

If anyone wants Terry Bradshaw rookie card lemme know.

[RLLD 4,275]

baseball cards were worth something when nobody saved them. anything after 1980 is almost worthless.

homer simpson doesnt even collect them

 

Exactly.

[TUM301 10]

here`s where the Big Boys still play

 

 

http://www.oldcardboard.com/

[heavy-set 39]

Not really. The greed of the card companies is what killed the value. They started flooding the market with all the different insets,subsets, special sets and the such. Throw in the fact that they had to have the worst quality control ever with all the "error" cards and you had the demise of the card industry.

yep

 

after a while, no one even bought cards for the cards, just the chase cards. then it was series 1, series 2.

 

topps , topps stadium club

 

etc

[tubby_mcgee 701]

ebay is what killed card value.

 

I disagree. Creating a venue to bring buyers and sellers together can't kill the prices. Vehicle prices didn't go to sh!t because of ebay, Van Gogh paintings didn't drop in value and neither did Honus Wagner cards.

 

I'd say a couple things: "collectors" and card companies brought card prices down. Everyone started collecting. And not just "collecting". I mean protecting cards. People started not opening packs, etc. They'd put em in a book and not touch the cards as soon as they got a good card. EVERYONE did that. So...nowadays...there are 25,000 of every card---in MINT condition. Plus it got to be too much sh#t to keep track of.

 

The good old days (to me) of card collecting were when there what...? 500 or so cards in a football set. (Baseball had like 792). The days you'd get out your "checklist" card and trade doubles with friends. And the smell of that gum in the packs.

 

1989 Pro Set (Football) seemed to be the set that started the dogpile of subsets, etc. They had that Hologram card. I guess people were going through boxes with metal detectors, etc.

 

The cards that are worth something are the ones that somehow slipped through the cracks....the ones from the days when no one collected them.

 

Plus....I think that people come to the conclusion that when push comes to shove, it's still just a freaking piece of paper with a picture of a man on it. Whoopie ding dong. The more people that see it that way, the less "buyers" there are, then the less value.

[Jeff Garcia 8]

Anyone remember the Billy Ripken F*ck Face card?

[BMoney 0]

Anyone remember the Billy Ripken F*ck Face card?

 

 

yep

 

and the 3 other variations of it..the black box on the card etc...

 

never got one..never hunted for it..but loved how that set looked, design wise and no..those cards arent worth diddly poo...will only help make the house go up faster