Hakeem Nicks

[xenophobe 1]

Tate >>>>> Hicks

 

When all is said and done.

 

Obviously not this year, as Tate probably won't see the field.

 

I completely disagree. He is a good vertical threat, but he is no where near the football player Nicks is. He was good for a couple catches a game in college -and really only in his junior year- are you expecting him to suddenly be more than that in the pros?

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

Okay, so I started this post a few weeks ago. Just wanted to give an update.......several expert dynasty rankings:

 

1) http://www.fantasyfootballxtreme.com/fanta...layer-rankings/

 

Updated today: Harvin #22, Maclin #23, Nicks #38 - dynasty WR rankings

 

2) http://nooffseason.com/draft.html

 

Rookie Updated rankings on nooffseaon.com, updated yesterday - Maclin #5, Harvin #7, Nicks #10

 

 

Everywhere I look Nicks has dropped in value. Word is he is struggling getting separation and doens't have the speed. Sorry guys....there is a reason Nicks was projected in the 2nd round of most teams drafts. There is a reason Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin were all taken infront of him. I am going to stick with this and you guys are going to eat your shorts this year and every year thereafter on this issue.

 

Also:

 

Vikings coach Brad Childress admitted Wednesday that he's been awestruck by rookie Percy Harvin's playmaking ability. Analysis: "I think the first thing I thought about was really the same feelings the first time we handed Adrian Peterson the ball," Childress said. "When you see it with your own eyes ... the thing that came to mind right away was, 'Wow.'" Harvin will have a chance to make an immediate impact on an offense that figures to be much more explosive in 2009.

 

I haven't heard anything close to this about your boy Nicks.

[the_risen_demon 0]

I'm not sure why this has become so personal for you, Carl. Nicks is nobody's boy except Mrs. Nicks. You asked (in the very title of your thread) for people who liked Nicks to give you their reasons for doing so. They have. You're welcome to disagree, but I've read a number of posters here give reasoned arguments about why they feel Nicks will be the better pro. Reasons like superior hands and route running. Reasons that are based on watching the players play. You've responded with ADP numbers and mid-June coach speak. Regardless of whether Nicks or Harvin turns out to be the better pro, that's just embarrassing. Or, at least it should be. Now, ordinarily when someone get's so thoroughly trounced in a debate, he stays quiet and tries to learn something from the experience. But you seem intent on trumpeting your ignorance from the highest rooftops. You beg to have your vapid ramblings cast in bronze and hung at the steps of city hall for posterity.

 

But I'll give you another chance. Give us a reason why you -- not Brad Childress, not the myriad voices that comprise ADP rankings -- why you like Harvin, and maybe you can salvage this thread.

[Ray_T 753]

Okay, so I started this post a few weeks ago. Just wanted to give an update.......several expert dynasty rankings:

 

1) http://www.fantasyfootballxtreme.com/fanta...layer-rankings/

 

Updated today: Harvin #22, Maclin #23, Nicks #38 - dynasty WR rankings

 

2) http://nooffseason.com/draft.html

 

Rookie Updated rankings on nooffseaon.com, updated yesterday - Maclin #5, Harvin #7, Nicks #10

Everywhere I look Nicks has dropped in value. Word is he is struggling getting separation and doens't have the speed. Sorry guys....there is a reason Nicks was projected in the 2nd round of most teams drafts. There is a reason Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin were all taken infront of him. I am going to stick with this and you guys are going to eat your shorts this year and every year thereafter on this issue.

 

Also:

 

Vikings coach Brad Childress admitted Wednesday that he's been awestruck by rookie Percy Harvin's playmaking ability. Analysis: "I think the first thing I thought about was really the same feelings the first time we handed Adrian Peterson the ball," Childress said. "When you see it with your own eyes ... the thing that came to mind right away was, 'Wow.'" Harvin will have a chance to make an immediate impact on an offense that figures to be much more explosive in 2009.

 

I haven't heard anything close to this about your boy Nicks.

I think Harvin and Maclin should not be ranked in the top 30. I have no doubt that one day they will be, but I dont think I'd rank them up there right now.

 

If I were you, I'd check the source.

 

If they are predicting rookies to blow the doors off in all positions, I'd be inclined to think the person doing the rankings has a bias towards the new stars coming out of college. I wouldnt say this is the case for sure, but I find it hard to believe that two rookies will finish in the top 25 for WR's for Fantasy points.

 

I could see maybe one from this draft class finishing in the top 25.... but the chances of two players doing this is extremely slim. Even in the most talented of draft classes I'd say the odds of this happening are slim. So for someone to go out and predict this is to me a very bold move. Good for him if hes right, but I'd bet against it.

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

I think Harvin and Maclin should not be ranked in the top 30. I have no doubt that one day they will be, but I dont think I'd rank them up there right now.

 

If I were you, I'd check the source.

 

If they are predicting rookies to blow the doors off in all positions, I'd be inclined to think the person doing the rankings has a bias towards the new stars coming out of college. I wouldnt say this is the case for sure, but I find it hard to believe that two rookies will finish in the top 25 for WR's for Fantasy points.

 

I could see maybe one from this draft class finishing in the top 25.... but the chances of two players doing this is extremely slim. Even in the most talented of draft classes I'd say the odds of this happening are slim. So for someone to go out and predict this is to me a very bold move. Good for him if hes right, but I'd bet against it.

 

These are cummulative dynasty rankings, so in essence they are taking the future into account.....not just this year. They are saying if you are starting a dynasty leauge today, this is the order you should draft players in.....taking into account both the present and the future.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

I'm not sure why this has become so personal for you, Carl. Nicks is nobody's boy except Mrs. Nicks. You asked (in the very title of your thread) for people who liked Nicks to give you their reasons for doing so. They have. You're welcome to disagree, but I've read a number of posters here give reasoned arguments about why they feel Nicks will be the better pro. Reasons like superior hands and route running. Reasons that are based on watching the players play. You've responded with ADP numbers and mid-June coach speak. Regardless of whether Nicks or Harvin turns out to be the better pro, that's just embarrassing. Or, at least it should be. Now, ordinarily when someone get's so thoroughly trounced in a debate, he stays quiet and tries to learn something from the experience. But you seem intent on trumpeting your ignorance from the highest rooftops. You beg to have your vapid ramblings cast in bronze and hung at the steps of city hall for posterity.

 

But I'll give you another chance. Give us a reason why you -- not Brad Childress, not the myriad voices that comprise ADP rankings -- why you like Harvin, and maybe you can salvage this thread.

 

 

Its like the popular girl in HS that tries to surround herself with a bunch of "Yes-Friends". When someone challenges her she gets all mad and has her panties in a bunch.

[Ray_T 753]

These are cummulative dynasty rankings, so in essence they are taking the future into account.....not just this year. They are saying if you are starting a dynasty leauge today, this is the order you should draft players in.....taking into account both the present and the future.

 

My bad.

 

I guess I misunderstood.

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

Hmmm. Well yes it is only training camp and 1 preseason game, but by all accounts Maclin and Harvin are excelling, whereas this is what I have been hearing on Nicks per Rotoworld:

 

(Rotoworld) First-round pick Hakeem Nicks caught just one pass for nine yards in the Giants' preseason opener. Analysis: He's nowhere close to Domenik Hixon. Nicks didn't play until the third quarter and failed to show the body control he consistently displayed at UNC on a deep sideline pass from Andre Woodson. Interestingly, ESPN's Mike Tirico also noted that Nicks is "not having a great camp for the Giants."

 

It is WAY too early for me to say "I told you so", but I seem to be on the right track with my Nicks prediction. He will never be a Boldin type player. If Nicks was so ready to step in and contribute, shouldn't he be ripping it up in the 3rd quarter against 3rd string defenses?

[Doozer 0]

You start a thread to get advice/opinions, you turn that thread into bashing people's advice/opinions, and even further turn the thread into an "I told you so, after ONE ###### PRESEASON GAME."

 

You sir... are a douche bag.

[Giants Fan 85]

Haven't read this thread .... but it's not as if Smith ... Moss ... Manningham .... were schlubs in college .... or 8th roundrts. Above and beyond that .... Hixon ... seems to be the #1. Baring injury .... Hixon will be the #1 WR fpr the Giants this year. Get the defense in your draft ..... the defense is gonna be awesome. Beyond Steve Smith2 .... don't hope for much. Boss is great te of course. Eli is gonna spread it around.

 

In order I'd go ....

 

Hixon

Boss

Smith2

Moss2

Tyree

Manningham

 

Maybe Tyree retires ... and you have an open spot there ... still ... 2 years from now ..... he might be great. Now ... prolly not gonna play much.

[Giants Fan 85]

Understand that I would LOVE to see someone step up .... and someone will .... and his name is Dominic Hixon. I predictorded it last year when Plax was out ... Hixon reminds me a lot of Anquan Boldin. He may not be the biggest guy on the field ..... or the fastest guy on the field ... but every time he gets the ball .... he's a threat to score. He's 100 percent ..... every play. Eli ... clearly has favored him since Plax was gone. And do you really believe Eli said .... "No ... I need a 6 foot 8 alien WR to do well.". No ... he said ... "How about Hixon?. No WR signed in the offseason .... and NADA TOOMER!

 

That all says to me that Hixon has been better than expected. If you want to speculate .... go ahead. Hixon will be the #1 ... prolly Smith #2 ... THIS YEAR. But Hixon getting hurt ... someone else stepping up? It could be any of 5 different guys. The guy that caught the most amazing miracle catch in the history of the Superbowl ... might not be on the squad.

[Giants Fan 85]

MIGHT NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH!

[Giants Fan 85]

Trade maybe.

[gridiron whirlwinds 9]

I like Hakeem Nicks......below are his strong points, and why I like him.

 

1. Best hands in the draft......there is a reason for that....they are HUGE....they had to ghet the kid XXXXL gloves!!! Big hands and he knows how to use them.

 

2. Ability to run after the catch....i believe this is his 2nd best quality.

 

3. Has the knack for getting seperation

 

I am not saying he is going to emerge right away, and some other receivers will probly be better this year.......but in 2 or 3 years he will arrive big time......just my opinion.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

This Carl Eller poster is quite slow and pretty annoying.

 

The whole thread is based on Dynasty format....but yet 1 preseason game and a couple quotes from training camp of his rookie year makes Nicks' career.

 

Get real....

[listen2me 23 1,873]

It is WAY too early for me to say "I told you so", but I seem to be on the right track ith my Nicks prediction. He will never be a Boldin type player. If Nicks was so ready to step in and contribute, shouldn't he be ripping it up in the 3rd quarter against 3rd string defenses?

 

It is the first preseason game of his career....are you serious? Talk about the guy who looks way too much into preseason games. If this was a redraft thread it would be a little different...but for gods sakes....

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

Hmmm. Well yes it is only training camp and 1 preseason game, but by all accounts Maclin and Harvin are excelling, whereas this is what I have been hearing on Nicks per Rotoworld:

 

(Rotoworld) First-round pick Hakeem Nicks caught just one pass for nine yards in the Giants' preseason opener. Analysis: He's nowhere close to Domenik Hixon. Nicks didn't play until the third quarter and failed to show the body control he consistently displayed at UNC on a deep sideline pass from Andre Woodson. Interestingly, ESPN's Mike Tirico also noted that Nicks is "not having a great camp for the Giants."

 

It is WAY too early for me to say "I told you so", but I seem to be on the right track with my Nicks prediction. He will never be a Boldin type player. If Nicks was so ready to step in and contribute, shouldn't he be ripping it up in the 3rd quarter against 3rd string defenses?

[Dr. Octopus 0]

If Nicks was so ready to step in and contribute, shouldn't he be ripping it up in the 3rd quarter against 3rd string defenses?

 

Two words: Andre Woodson (if I added a thrid it would be "sucks").

[listen2me 23 1,873]

HAKEEM NICKS: The Giants' No. 1 pick this year has been compared physically (6-foot-1, 212 pounds) to Anquan Boldin, and has been slowed by a hamstring injury. "He's got the skill set you want to be a No. 1 receiver," Reese said of Nicks, who had one catch for 9 yards.

 

 

So a guy slowed down by injury had 1 catch for 9 yards in his first preseason game of his career and it looks like he doesn't have a good career ahead of him. How in the world can you come to any conclusion from what has happened so far? ......YOU CAN"T!

[madd futher mucker 36]

Carl's - I see that you are still maintaining your boner for Harvin (I can never keep a boner up that long) and denigrading Hakeem Nicks. While I'll concede that Harvin is likely to out-stat Nicks this year, dynasty leagues are more like a marathon than a mile race. And in the marathon of a career, there is no way to have any clue at this time which one will have the better career. As I've said before, both are very talented with their own unique skill-set. And as has been pointed out, Nicks has been setback by his hamstring injury.

 

Yes, 'Bad Children' also has a boner for Harvin, just like his boner for Favre. But I predict that just like his buddy Coach 'Just Mishandles' over in Denver, 'Bad Children' will be an ex-coach next year.

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

Carl's - I see that you are still maintaining your boner for Harvin (I can never keep a boner up that long) and denigrading Hakeem Nicks. While I'll concede that Harvin is likely to out-stat Nicks this year, dynasty leagues are more like a marathon than a mile race. And in the marathon of a career, there is no way to have any clue at this time which one will have the better career. As I've said before, both are very talented with their own unique skill-set. And as has been pointed out, Nicks has been setback by his hamstring injury.

 

Yes, 'Bad Children' also has a boner for Harvin.

 

I'll keep this post going for 5 years if I need to. Harvin > Maclin > Nicks.

[ROCKET 0]

Barden and Tate will both have better careers than Nicks when all is said and done. I'm not going to have a meaningless pissing contest with Nicks owners, let's just revisit this thread a couple years down the road.

[Doozer 0]

I'll keep this post going for 5 years if I need to. Harvin > Maclin > Nicks.

Why? As a memory of your douchebaggery? You still don't get what a huge ###### you've been in this thread. The title should of more been like Harvin > Maclin > Nicks... prove me wrong! But you can't because im a giant douche who drafted Harvin/Maclin.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Barden and Tate will both have better careers than Nicks when all is said and done. I'm not going to have a meaningless pissing contest with Nicks owners, let's just revisit this thread a couple years down the road.

 

I don't own him. I haven't drafted yet. But in this thread everyone that back him....backs up their opinion. Carl there just goes off a preseason game and the fact that he is like 4th on the depth chart when he hasn't even played a real game yet. Harvin will be decent, but in my opinion not a guy that will get you 85/1200/9 each year like solid #1s and #2 on your fantasy team.

 

In my opinion Nicks will be better, but if he goes off for 6/100/2 in the next preseason game you won't find me here pounding my chest. It is preseason,

D. Clowny should be the best WR in the league this year. And last...

[Franknbeans 46]

sorry, I can't. I think he's slow off the line and that won't work well at this level.

[Yippie Skippy 0]

sorry, I can't. I think he's slow off the line and that won't work well at this level.

 

-- Hakeem Nicks Shows Closing Burst --

Thu Aug 20, 2009 --from FFMastermind.com

 

•CBS Sportsline reports New York Giants rookie WR Hakeem Nicks had no problem beating CB Terrell Thomas down the sideline to catch a bomb from QB David Carr on Thursday. The ball was slightly overthrown, but Nicks was able to catch up with it.

[Spec7ral 6]

Now, ordinarily when someone get's so thoroughly trounced in a debate, he stays quiet and tries to learn something from the experience. But you seem intent on trumpeting your ignorance from the highest rooftops. You beg to have your vapid ramblings cast in bronze and hung at the steps of city hall for posterity.

 

Ab-so-fah-king-lute-lee AMAZING.

 

That being said, GO HARVIN!

[stonewall 647]

Tonight against the Jets (not 1st-teamers):

 

6/144/2

 

Convinced??

[DamageIncVacc 6]

He is the real deal. Not saying he is starting or he is better then harvin or anyone else but Nicks is the real deal and will be a very good WR in the NFl this year or whenever he gets the starting gig.

[gridiron whirlwinds 9]

No receiver on the Giants roster has more ability than Hakeem Nicks....NOBODY!!

[Yippie Skippy 0]

No receiver on the Giants roster has more ability than Hakeem Nicks....NOBODY!!

 

Is there anyone besides Carl who still does not believe this to be true??

[DamageIncVacc 6]

Looks like Tom Coughlin is paying attention.

 

Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants WR Hakeem Nicks could be in line for more playing time after his performance Saturday, Aug. 29, according to head coach Tom Coughlin. Nicks caught six passes for 144 yards and two touchdowns during the preseason game.

 

Our view: It was a preseason game, and it was against the Jets' third-string defense, but Hakeem Nicks was completely dominant. Nicks is currently listed as fourth on the depth chart, but could quickly rise up the charts if he continues to play like this. In a year or two, Nicks could develop into one of the best receivers in the league, the real question is - will QB Eli Manning hold back his potential?

 

 

 

The Blue Screen

by Ralph Vacchiano

AUGUST 30, 2009 4:12 PMBY RALPH VACCHIANO

Nicks earns "consideration" for bigger role

Hakeem Nicks’ performance last night might not have been enough to vault the rookie into the starting lineup, but it sure did get the coaches’ attention.

 

In fact, Tom Coughlin said that Nicks’ six-catch, 144-yard performance against the Jets has earned the rookie “prime consideration” for a move up the depth chart. He wouldn’t commit to anything specific, but obviously it’s something he’ll be thinking about the next two weeks.

 

“Well, he certainly was impressive,” Coughlin said on a conference call with reporters this afternoon. “And he is a guy that obviously is going to make the tough catch, and he really has been doing that. So that (a move up the depth chart) has not been discussed. It certainly puts him in position where he’ll get prime consideration.”

 

Nicks lit up the Jets’ third-string defense last night, making an impressive 22-yard touchdown grab despite tough coverage by Jets CB Drew Coleman. He also made another 71-yard touchdown catch where he got wide open down the sideline after making the correct adjustment after a veteran-like read of an impending Jets blitz.

 

Because of plays like that, Coughlin said he’d have no issue giving a bigger role to a rookie receiver, as long as it’s earned.

 

“Oh, certainly,” he said. “The thing about it that you have to understand is that it’s what’s earned. It’s exactly what’s earned. Obviously last night he played well. He certainly has earned the right to be a factor.”

 

It didn’t hurt, of course, that Nicks’ performance - - which included six catches on seven balls thrown to him - - came on a night when Steve Smith, Domenik Hixon and Mario Manningham all dropped passes in key spots.

 

 

 

Following a 144-yard, two-touchdown performance in the Giants' third preseason game, Giants coach Tom Coughlin said Hakeem Nicks has earned "prime consideration" for a move up the depth chart.

This may also be an admission that Coughlin isn't thrilled with Domenik Hixon, whose drop Saturday was picked off by David Harris and led to a Jets touchdown. Nicks needs to keep it up in remaining camp practices and the preseason finale, but he could make it a 50:50 rotation at split end with Hixon in Week 1. It's why Hixon's been overvalued in fantasy drafts to this point.

[TennisMenace 156]

Tonight against the Jets (not 1st-teamers):

 

6/144/2

 

Convinced??

 

He got most of that in the 4th quarter against 3rd string players.

 

No, I'm not.

 

Eli is an average QB who throws high, and Nicks is not 6'6". He'll get killed.

[WR Guru 31]

Judging players by preseason production is THE biggest mistake that inexperienced owners make every year. If it was any kind of reliable predictor, you could start engraving Isaac Redman's bust for the hall of fame and put Ladanian Tomlinson out to pasture. Relax.

[Ray_T 753]

Judging players by preseason production is THE biggest mistake that inexperienced owners make every year. If it was any kind of reliable predictor, you could start engraving Isaac Redman's bust for the hall of fame and put Ladanian Tomlinson out to pasture. Relax.

 

I agree. Production is not everything in exhibition.

 

what I look at is whether the production is caused by the player making a good play, or the defense messing up.

 

in this case he made some good plays and caught some balls. The other WR's didnt make good plays and had some noteworthy drops. If the final exhibition game (which should have more starters & 2nd string guys and less 3rd string guys playing) shows the same, this kid could start in the slot and move up to the #2 WR position by mid season.

[Quickolas1 80]

Pre-Season TD #3

H.Nicks 64 yd. pass from D.Carr (L.Tynes kick is good) Drive: 3 plays, 78 yards in 1:13

[kutulu 1,676]

Pre-Season TD #3

H.Nicks 64 yd. pass from D.Carr (L.Tynes kick is good) Drive: 3 plays, 78 yards in 1:13

 

Not the best pass from Carr and Nicks went up and took it. Course NE secondary is not that good...which is also good for us Brady owners.

[fixedrate 0]

Hmmm, been holding on Crabtree thinking he might sign....should I go ahead and cut him loose and pick up Nicks??

[DamageIncVacc 6]

Ralph Vacchiano, of the New York Daily News, reports New York Giants WR Hakeem Nicks (hip) suffered a hip flexor injury Thursday, Sept. 3, and he will not return to the team's game.

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

Okay...so one game in. Nicks - carted off. Harvin - 3 catches a TD and making a huge impact on offense and special teams.

 

Thoughts?